Many years ago I use to frequent the Campfire as I am an avid hunter/shooter. I decided to reenlist after reading so many threads about Covid. Lot’s of interesting discussions and a lot of opinions. Like everyone else, I’ve got mine. Not here is piss on toes, but maybe I can pass on a little insight and facts.
I retired from the healthcare field after 26 years. I was an infection control & surveillance instructor and worked with foreign health ministries, hospitals, doctors, nurses, sanitation workers, plant and mechanical engineers, and risk management departments. I’ve worked in field hospitals to the largest medical institutions in the world in 15+ countries. At the end of the day, I was a glorified janitor, but during my career I witnessed the Man Behind the Curtain and boy it ain’t pretty.
A few observations about our current state of US medical care, guidance we are being fed, and the pandemic:
1. Just because you have a Dr. In front of your name doesn’t mean you know everything even though you might believe otherwise. Doctors today are little more than union employees thanks to the Affordable Care Act and Medicare/Medicaid. It’s all about Group Think, and you either comply with the program or you’re cancelled and lose your career.
2. Today, the half-life of medical knowledge is less than two years. Most anything your doctor tells you is probably wrong or soon will be.
3. Not every medical solution comes from a pharmacy and a hospital. We like to believe the US has the best medical care and on many levels it does, but it is amazing the scotch tape and kite string medical innovation that happens in the most impoverished corners of the world.
4. US Hospitals are little more than Risk Management organizations. It’s no longer about Quality of Care, but managing risks and profits. Hospital CEO’s are bean counters focused on managing costs and liability and not on improving patient care.
5. US Hospitals are the only American industry that can kill 120,000 Americans a year through Nosocomial infections and employ doctors that kill another 250,000 Americans a year though medical errors and still remain open.
6. Defensive Medicine has turned into “How many bills can I submit to the insurer and Medicare/Medicaid?” Patients are little more than Cash Cows today. Check in and be prepared for a long, excruciating experience of endless tests and procedures while hoping that you survive the ride. Fun times.
7. Big Pharma controls the show. They control the FDA, they control the drugs available and promoted by doctors, they crush any outside innovation or competition, they control the treatment pathway, and they are in collusion with the Hospitals and Insurers. And like lawyers, they all get paid regardless of the outcome and have about as much emotional investment in the outcome.
8. Healthcare Workers (aka Nurses and PAs) are the real doctors today. I found few that were not invested in their patient’s well-being and were at a minimum, as knowledgeable and capable as someone with a Dr in front of their name. They save countless patient’s lives from medical mistakes made by their “superiors”. They are underpaid, underappreciated, and treated with all the respect of a disposable tongue depressor. They are the heroes of this pandemic.
9. US Medical Research Universities are controlled by and a slave to their funding sources. They produce the evidence based research they are instructed to produce. They, like virtually all other research institutions in the US, are professional welfare whores. Deviate from the plan and the funding evaporates.
10. The current pandemic presented the perfect opportunity for the largest power grab in human history. Politicians have become doctors and doctors are quietly complicit in the process for fear of being cancelled. In private, most of the US docs (that I know personally) who are still practicing are at a minimum terrified by what is happening. The retired doctors that I know are apoplectic with what they are witnessing.
The pandemic has been used as a political divisive tool to control group think and behavior; the Racism Tool pales in comparison. Every socioeconomic class has been shattered and pitted against one another.
And for the record, I am not vaxxed not because I believe in the conspiracy theories but because I don’t believe in the “science” that has been presented. I pour though PubMed and countless peer reviewed studies every day - an old occupational habit. I have not found any evidence that compels me to line up as an unpaid experimental lab rat. In fact, there is mounting evidence to reinforce my initial skepticism over the “science”. Contrary to what Fauci has promised, the facts show we ain’t mass vaxxing our way out of this pandemic and may well be making matters far worse.
In closing, question everything and do your own research. I do not believe ANY of the pandemic data that is being reported in this country. Politics, power, and money are controlling the narrative.... as it always does.
Finally! Something from a retired Dr. that sounds real!
Virgil B.
Correction - Retired Janitor...
Can't disagree with any of that.
Great post.
Of course that's confirmation bias talking!
From a factory workers perspective.
Before we start a Bromance,
270vsCreed?
Miracle Whip vs Mayo?
Hellman's vs Dukes?
Beans?
My wife is a "get the most money possible for the doc/practice" business professional.
She says the same things you just stated.
Hello and GFY!
Awesome thoughts, many things you said are so true, it's crazy we stay functional. We are beyond fixing any of this mess.
I am awaiting Old Cooters response..... LMFAO
Good post and true
Dillonbuck:
270vsCreed? - 416 Rigby, but if I was forced to choose between the two, the .416 Rigby. I have been known to shoot a pile of .270 in WSM but I don't like to brag about it. I am not really a new fad sort of shooter.
Miracle Whip vs Mayo? Mayo (Miracle Whip is a desert topping and floor wax)
Hellman's vs Dukes? I am a Southern Boy - Only Dukes
Beans? Nope, Just BBQ
Wasn't blah blah blah me too good enough for you? Any number of 100s of guys could have written that! Celebrate it!
It appears that Booster Biden is getting ahead of the science. According to this, the FDA and CDC are pushing back on his plans. Some have resigned over this.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/03/us/coronavirus-booster-shots.html?smid=tw-shareBased on an 8-month study, the President couldn’t find his azz with both hands, a flashlight, and a full-length mirror. Is he the one who should be making medical decisions for us?😱
You have just exactly confirmed my daughter's (BSN, Patient Advocate) opinion.
And, if you would care to opine...do you think a person in good to fair health condition, who just is interested in maintaining their health, is better served for primary care with an FNP or similar?
Many years ago I use to frequent the Campfire as I am an avid hunter/shooter. I decided to reenlist after reading so many threads about Covid. Lot’s of interesting discussions and a lot of opinions. Like everyone else, I’ve got mine. Not here is piss on toes, but maybe I can pass on a little insight and facts.
I retired from the healthcare field after 26 years. I was an infection control & surveillance instructor and worked with foreign health ministries, hospitals, doctors, nurses, sanitation workers, plant and mechanical engineers, and risk management departments. I’ve worked in field hospitals to the largest medical institutions in the world in 15+ countries. At the end of the day, I was a glorified janitor, but during my career I witnessed the Man Behind the Curtain and boy it ain’t pretty.
A few observations about our current state of US medical care, guidance we are being fed, and the pandemic:
1. Just because you have a Dr. In front of your name doesn’t mean you know everything even though you might believe otherwise. Doctors today are little more than union employees thanks to the Affordable Care Act and Medicare/Medicaid. It’s all about Group Think, and you either comply with the program or you’re cancelled and lose your career.
2. Today, the half-life of medical knowledge is less than two years. Most anything your doctor tells you is probably wrong or soon will be.
3. Not every medical solution comes from a pharmacy and a hospital. We like to believe the US has the best medical care and on many levels it does, but it is amazing the scotch tape and kite string medical innovation that happens in the most impoverished corners of the world.
4. US Hospitals are little more than Risk Management organizations. It’s no longer about Quality of Care, but managing risks and profits. Hospital CEO’s are bean counters focused on managing costs and liability and not on improving patient care.
5. US Hospitals are the only American industry that can kill 120,000 Americans a year through Nosocomial infections and employ doctors that kill another 250,000 Americans a year though medical errors and still remain open.
6. Defensive Medicine has turned into “How many bills can I submit to the insurer and Medicare/Medicaid?” Patients are little more than Cash Cows today. Check in and be prepared for a long, excruciating experience of endless tests and procedures while hoping that you survive the ride. Fun times.
7. Big Pharma controls the show. They control the FDA, they control the drugs available and promoted by doctors, they crush any outside innovation or competition, they control the treatment pathway, and they are in collusion with the Hospitals and Insurers. And like lawyers, they all get paid regardless of the outcome and have about as much emotional investment in the outcome.
8. Healthcare Workers (aka Nurses and PAs) are the real doctors today. I found few that were not invested in their patient’s well-being and were at a minimum, as knowledgeable and capable as someone with a Dr in front of their name. They save countless patient’s lives from medical mistakes made by their “superiors”. They are underpaid, underappreciated, and treated with all the respect of a disposable tongue depressor. They are the heroes of this pandemic.
9. US Medical Research Universities are controlled by and a slave to their funding sources. They produce the evidence based research they are instructed to produce. They, like virtually all other research institutions in the US, are professional welfare whores. Deviate from the plan and the funding evaporates.
10. The current pandemic presented the perfect opportunity for the largest power grab in human history. Politicians have become doctors and doctors are quietly complicit in the process for fear of being cancelled. In private, most of the US docs (that I know personally) who are still practicing are at a minimum terrified by what is happening. The retired doctors that I know are apoplectic with what they are witnessing.
The pandemic has been used as a political divisive tool to control group think and behavior; the Racism Tool pales in comparison. Every socioeconomic class has been shattered and pitted against one another.
And for the record, I am not vaxxed not because I believe in the conspiracy theories but because I don’t believe in the “science” that has been presented. I pour though PubMed and countless peer reviewed studies every day - an old occupational habit. I have not found any evidence that compels me to line up as an unpaid experimental lab rat. In fact, there is mounting evidence to reinforce my initial skepticism over the “science”. Contrary to what Fauci has promised, the facts show we ain’t mass vaxxing our way out of this pandemic and may well be making matters far worse.
In closing, question everything and do your own research. I do not believe ANY of the pandemic data that is being reported in this country. Politics, power, and money are controlling the narrative.... as it always does.
You could've just given the Cliff Notes version, that is, they all lie when they take the Hippocratic Oath.
YES! 100% nailed it. For those that only watch MSNBC, CNN, etc, re-read OP's post.
Whoever coined the term "money is the root of all evil" was more than correct... except he/she should have coined it: "money and the pursuit of power are the roots of a evil".
Elklayer you telling someone to use the “Cliff Notes” version is hypocrisy at its best. Your long winded copy and paste BS posts are famous here. So STFU.
Welcome new guy.
Wasn't blah blah blah me too good enough for you? Any number of 100s of guys could have written that! Celebrate it!
GFY translated = Good For You*
*Sometimes
Wasn't blah blah blah me too good enough for you? Any number of 100s of guys could have written that! Celebrate it!
GFY translated = Good For You*
*Sometimes
Good post! DeFlave says you can stay, your in.
Elklayer you telling someone to use the “Cliff Notes” version is hypocrisy at its best. Your long winded copy and paste BS posts are famous here. So STFU.
Welcome new guy.
Yet you hypocritical closet commies here never have actually proven I have plagiarized any of my indepth postings here.
Don't be upset you fall on the far left-side of the Bell Curve, thus making you incapable of producing high C-Level documents......dumbazz.
Suspicions confirmed. It's something I've suspected from the very first time I heard about the coronacrap.
Paul B.
Thanks for taking the time to post this, worth reading.
Elklayer you telling someone to use the “Cliff Notes” version is hypocrisy at its best. Your long winded copy and paste BS posts are famous here. So STFU.
Welcome new guy.
Yet you hypocritical closet commies here never have actually proven I have plagiarized any of my indepth postings here.
Don't be upset you fall on the far left-side of the Bell Curve, thus making you incapable of producing high C-Level documents......dumbazz.
Hey dumbfugk how about you stay on point! I commented on your long winded posts not your plagiarized BS. At least you’re consistent. Consistently stupid.
Welcome new guy! Your introduction took long enough to get to the point. All you have stated is personal opinion! No facts linked. Thanks for your opinion!
Elklayer you telling someone to use the “Cliff Notes” version is hypocrisy at its best. Your long winded copy and paste BS posts are famous here. So STFU.
Yet you hypocritical closet commies here never have actually proven I have plagiarized any of my indepth postings here.
Don't be upset you fall on the far left-side of the Bell Curve, thus making you incapable of producing high C-Level documents......dumbazz.
Hey dumbfugk how about you stay on point! I commented on your long winded posts
not your plagiarized BS. At least you’re consistent. Consistently stupid.
Accusing me of copy and pasting other's material is plagiarizing.
Like I said, you live in a shack for the limp brains of society on the far far left-side of the Bell Curve.
Keep drinking that moonshine in place of coffee this morning. You're doing great sport.
Point #2 is also applicable to science in general.
Google presents lies first when you are doing research. You must be careful.
Welcome new guy! Your introduction took long enough to get to the point. All you have stated is personal opinion! No facts linked. Thanks for your opinion!
What facts do you have?
Many years ago I use to frequent the Campfire as I am an avid hunter/shooter. I decided to reenlist after reading so many threads about Covid. Lot’s of interesting discussions and a lot of opinions. Like everyone else, I’ve got mine. Not here is piss on toes, but maybe I can pass on a little insight and facts.
I retired from the healthcare field after 26 years. I was an infection control & surveillance instructor and worked with foreign health ministries, hospitals, doctors, nurses, sanitation workers, plant and mechanical engineers, and risk management departments. I’ve worked in field hospitals to the largest medical institutions in the world in 15+ countries. At the end of the day, I was a glorified janitor, but during my career I witnessed the Man Behind the Curtain and boy it ain’t pretty.
A few observations about our current state of US medical care, guidance we are being fed, and the pandemic:
1. Just because you have a Dr. In front of your name doesn’t mean you know everything even though you might believe otherwise. Doctors today are little more than union employees thanks to the Affordable Care Act and Medicare/Medicaid. It’s all about Group Think, and you either comply with the program or you’re cancelled and lose your career.
2. Today, the half-life of medical knowledge is less than two years. Most anything your doctor tells you is probably wrong or soon will be.
3. Not every medical solution comes from a pharmacy and a hospital. We like to believe the US has the best medical care and on many levels it does, but it is amazing the scotch tape and kite string medical innovation that happens in the most impoverished corners of the world.
4. US Hospitals are little more than Risk Management organizations. It’s no longer about Quality of Care, but managing risks and profits. Hospital CEO’s are bean counters focused on managing costs and liability and not on improving patient care.
5. US Hospitals are the only American industry that can kill 120,000 Americans a year through Nosocomial infections and employ doctors that kill another 250,000 Americans a year though medical errors and still remain open.
6. Defensive Medicine has turned into “How many bills can I submit to the insurer and Medicare/Medicaid?” Patients are little more than Cash Cows today. Check in and be prepared for a long, excruciating experience of endless tests and procedures while hoping that you survive the ride. Fun times.
7. Big Pharma controls the show. They control the FDA, they control the drugs available and promoted by doctors, they crush any outside innovation or competition, they control the treatment pathway, and they are in collusion with the Hospitals and Insurers. And like lawyers, they all get paid regardless of the outcome and have about as much emotional investment in the outcome.
8. Healthcare Workers (aka Nurses and PAs) are the real doctors today. I found few that were not invested in their patient’s well-being and were at a minimum, as knowledgeable and capable as someone with a Dr in front of their name. They save countless patient’s lives from medical mistakes made by their “superiors”. They are underpaid, underappreciated, and treated with all the respect of a disposable tongue depressor. They are the heroes of this pandemic.
9. US Medical Research Universities are controlled by and a slave to their funding sources. They produce the evidence based research they are instructed to produce. They, like virtually all other research institutions in the US, are professional welfare whores. Deviate from the plan and the funding evaporates.
10. The current pandemic presented the perfect opportunity for the largest power grab in human history. Politicians have become doctors and doctors are quietly complicit in the process for fear of being cancelled. In private, most of the US docs (that I know personally) who are still practicing are at a minimum terrified by what is happening. The retired doctors that I know are apoplectic with what they are witnessing.
The pandemic has been used as a political divisive tool to control group think and behavior; the Racism Tool pales in comparison. Every socioeconomic class has been shattered and pitted against one another.
And for the record, I am not vaxxed not because I believe in the conspiracy theories but because I don’t believe in the “science” that has been presented. I pour though PubMed and countless peer reviewed studies every day - an old occupational habit. I have not found any evidence that compels me to line up as an unpaid experimental lab rat. In fact, there is mounting evidence to reinforce my initial skepticism over the “science”. Contrary to what Fauci has promised, the facts show we ain’t mass vaxxing our way out of this pandemic and may well be making matters far worse.
In closing, question everything and do your own research. I do not believe ANY of the pandemic data that is being reported in this country. Politics, power, and money are controlling the narrative.... as it always does.
It appears that Booster Biden is getting ahead of the science. According to this, the FDA and CDC are pushing back on his plans. Some have resigned over this.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/03/us/coronavirus-booster-shots.html?smid=tw-shareBased on an 8-month study, the President couldn’t find his azz with both hands, a flashlight, and a full-length mirror. Is he the one who should be making medical decisions for us?😱
Is there another link where you don't have to subscribe?
Corporate medical care, the end.
Appreciate you taking the time to reenlist and post this. 100% common sense kind of stuff, no BS.
Welcome new guy! Your introduction took long enough to get to the point. All you have stated is personal opinion! No facts linked. Thanks for your opinion!
Thus,
observations from the OP.
Wasn't blah blah blah me too good enough for you? Any number of 100s of guys could have written that! Celebrate it!
GFY translated = Good For You*
*Sometimes
In this case.
Also, another argument, beans or no beans in chili.
3 word posts.
Keep it short
Go Get Fu cked
GGF.
Welcome new guy! Your introduction took long enough to get to the point. All you have stated is personal opinion! No facts linked. Thanks for your opinion!
What facts do you have?
Never said I had facts! That is an observation! Observations and opinions are different! Just like opinions and facts are different! You want to enlighten me and others with facts, go for it. I'm sure all would welcome facts!
Having a sick kid, we learned a while back to not trust anybody.
You have to do your own research and double and triple check every aspect ( from appts, established treatments, possible new ones, various therapies etc ).
YOU are the responsible person. Too many when sick or not, want somebody else to do everything for em.
Honestly, with as crooked, inept and fugged up as our medical system has become.....somebody of avg intelligence and drive is screwed.
You really need to bring your A game nowadays.
Just to deal w moderate health stuff.
Serious illness?
If you arent an informed hawk about everything youre friggin dead. A slow dead, so they can wreck your finances.
I have no faith in nurses NP or docs. Have seen em fugg everything up along the way.
However, good ones do exist. And the vetting process isnt fun. But you find em and they realize youre serious about getting well and it becomes a good relationship.
Hell, being an informed hardass ultimately makes their job easier, and more rewarding, as patient health improves.
But the avg person, healer or patient, is a POS.
Try to avoid the system the best you can ( eat right and exercise ).
Awesome thoughts, many things you said are so true, it's crazy we stay functional. We are beyond fixing any of this mess.
This.
Thanks, I agree with everything but the 416 Rigby. It's a bit much for our scrawny Texas deer.
Welcome new guy! Your introduction took long enough to get to the point. All you have stated is personal opinion! No facts linked. Thanks for your opinion!
Three cheers for Oregon!
LOL
Many years ago I use to frequent the Campfire as I am an avid hunter/shooter. I decided to reenlist after reading so many threads about Covid. Lot’s of interesting discussions and a lot of opinions. Like everyone else, I’ve got mine. Not here is piss on toes, but maybe I can pass on a little insight and facts.
I retired from the healthcare field after 26 years. I was an infection control & surveillance instructor and worked with foreign health ministries, hospitals, doctors, nurses, sanitation workers, plant and mechanical engineers, and risk management departments. I’ve worked in field hospitals to the largest medical institutions in the world in 15+ countries. At the end of the day, I was a glorified janitor, but during my career I witnessed the Man Behind the Curtain and boy it ain’t pretty.
A few observations about our current state of US medical care, guidance we are being fed, and the pandemic:
1. Just because you have a Dr. In front of your name doesn’t mean you know everything even though you might believe otherwise. Doctors today are little more than union employees thanks to the Affordable Care Act and Medicare/Medicaid. It’s all about Group Think, and you either comply with the program or you’re cancelled and lose your career.
2. Today, the half-life of medical knowledge is less than two years. Most anything your doctor tells you is probably wrong or soon will be.
3. Not every medical solution comes from a pharmacy and a hospital. We like to believe the US has the best medical care and on many levels it does, but it is amazing the scotch tape and kite string medical innovation that happens in the most impoverished corners of the world.
4. US Hospitals are little more than Risk Management organizations. It’s no longer about Quality of Care, but managing risks and profits. Hospital CEO’s are bean counters focused on managing costs and liability and not on improving patient care.
5. US Hospitals are the only American industry that can kill 120,000 Americans a year through Nosocomial infections and employ doctors that kill another 250,000 Americans a year though medical errors and still remain open.
6. Defensive Medicine has turned into “How many bills can I submit to the insurer and Medicare/Medicaid?” Patients are little more than Cash Cows today. Check in and be prepared for a long, excruciating experience of endless tests and procedures while hoping that you survive the ride. Fun times.
7. Big Pharma controls the show. They control the FDA, they control the drugs available and promoted by doctors, they crush any outside innovation or competition, they control the treatment pathway, and they are in collusion with the Hospitals and Insurers. And like lawyers, they all get paid regardless of the outcome and have about as much emotional investment in the outcome.
8. Healthcare Workers (aka Nurses and PAs) are the real doctors today. I found few that were not invested in their patient’s well-being and were at a minimum, as knowledgeable and capable as someone with a Dr in front of their name. They save countless patient’s lives from medical mistakes made by their “superiors”. They are underpaid, underappreciated, and treated with all the respect of a disposable tongue depressor. They are the heroes of this pandemic.
9. US Medical Research Universities are controlled by and a slave to their funding sources. They produce the evidence based research they are instructed to produce. They, like virtually all other research institutions in the US, are professional welfare whores. Deviate from the plan and the funding evaporates.
10. The current pandemic presented the perfect opportunity for the largest power grab in human history. Politicians have become doctors and doctors are quietly complicit in the process for fear of being cancelled. In private, most of the US docs (that I know personally) who are still practicing are at a minimum terrified by what is happening. The retired doctors that I know are apoplectic with what they are witnessing.
The pandemic has been used as a political divisive tool to control group think and behavior; the Racism Tool pales in comparison. Every socioeconomic class has been shattered and pitted against one another.
And for the record, I am not vaxxed not because I believe in the conspiracy theories but because I don’t believe in the “science” that has been presented. I pour though PubMed and countless peer reviewed studies every day - an old occupational habit. I have not found any evidence that compels me to line up as an unpaid experimental lab rat. In fact, there is mounting evidence to reinforce my initial skepticism over the “science”. Contrary to what Fauci has promised, the facts show we ain’t mass vaxxing our way out of this pandemic and may well be making matters far worse.
In closing, question everything and do your own research. I do not believe ANY of the pandemic data that is being reported in this country. Politics, power, and money are controlling the narrative.... as it always does.
What was you previous screen name?
Welcome new guy! Your introduction took long enough to get to the point. All you have stated is personal opinion! No facts linked. Thanks for your opinion!
What facts do you have?
Never said I had facts! That is an observation! Observations and opinions are different! Just like opinions and facts are different! You want to enlighten me and others with facts, go for it. I'm sure all would welcome facts!
No need to yell.
Well heck, I usually give the FNG a load of crap right off the bat but this time a welcome is in order!
Welcome new guy! Your introduction took long enough to get to the point. All you have stated is personal opinion! No facts linked. Thanks for your opinion!
What facts do you have?
Never said I had facts! That is an observation! Observations and opinions are different! Just like opinions and facts are different! You want to enlighten me and others with facts, go for it. I'm sure all would welcome facts!
My local hospital has acquired every health care facility within a 120 mile radius. They have a monopoly.
A couple years ago a federal agency fined them $24 million. Basically they were engaging in cronyism and referring patients to other specialist for test and more test, essentially milking the patients for every dime they could .
This hospital organization will either silence or terminate anyone that doesn't tow the company line. They promote yes men, promotions are not based on competence.
This parallels what the OP is saying.
And yes Heymen06 you can dismiss this as opinion, but my wife and stepdaughter worked for the beast and saw it firsthand..... also the fines are public record.
Oh and currently there is a major battle going on , the workers want to unionize as the abuse has been so bad. Not an opinion
Your post never surprise me because after all you are from Oregon. Whatever you do please never leave Oregon
Welcome new guy! Your introduction took long enough to get to the point. All you have stated is personal opinion! No facts linked. Thanks for your opinion!
Three cheers for Oregon!
LOL
I see you sobered up! Nice to have the king of one liners back. Be careful Bob Brown is closing in on your one liner record! Might want to get off the golf course and back in the putter chain!
Having a sick kid, we learned a while back to not trust anybody.
You have to do your own research and double and triple check every aspect ( from appts, established treatments, possible new ones, various therapies etc ).
YOU are the responsible person. Too many when sick or not, want somebody else to do everything for em.
Honestly, with as crooked, inept and fugged up as our medical system has become.....somebody of avg intelligence and drive is screwed.
You really need to bring your A game nowadays.
Just to deal w moderate health stuff.
Serious illness?
If you arent an informed hawk about everything youre friggin dead. A slow dead, so they can wreck your finances.
I have no faith in nurses NP or docs. Have seen em fugg everything up along the way.
However, good ones do exist. And the vetting process isnt fun. But you find em and they realize youre serious about getting well and it becomes a good relationship.
Hell, being an informed hardass ultimately makes their job easier, and more rewarding, as patient health improves.
But the avg person, healer or patient, is a POS.
Try to avoid the system the best you can ( eat right and exercise ).
Spot ON!
STRSWilson: You have been to/in the "Gemba". For that your opinion is highly valuable.
Regardless of whether you provide a myriad of references to published works, your work in the "Gemba" gives you a level of wisdom worth sharing.
Thank you.
"The OP types too fast."
- DocRocket
I’ve played physicians off of each other. Ask three the same thing, get three different answers.
I’ve had up to 5 nephrologists and surgical transplant nephrologists working with me at the same time.
The guys with their ‘hands in the goo’ actually impressed me more AND went along with MY recommendations to change my anti rejection meds to a different family of immunosuppressive agents based on my research and personal observations. Saved myself a lot of problems. Including further bone marrow injury.
Also played this with 2 cardiologists against each other.
I got a good people now after a chewing thru dozens of dead wood.
Spend about 5 hours a week reading white papers, medical studies, reviews and outcomes, plus patient forums, just gleaning person observations. I also spend about 3 hours a week dealing with insurance, billing personnel, and third parties.
I’ve played physicians off of each other. Ask three the same thing, get three different answers.
I’ve had up to 5 nephrologists and surgical transplant nephrologists working with me at the same time.
They guys with their ‘hands in the goo’ actually impressed me more AND went along with MY recommendations to change my anti rejection meds to a different family of immunosuppressive agents based on my research and personal observations. Saved myself a lot of problems. Including further bone marrow injury.
Also played this with 2 cardiologists against each other.
I got a good people now after a chewing thru dozens of dead wood.
Are you the Samuel L. Jackson character from Unbreakable?
Or 170 years old?
We no longer have a medical community of professionals that have the patient's best interests at heart. We now have a MEDICAL INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX that tows the line to their Betters/Masters.
I’ve played physicians off of each other. Ask three the same thing, get three different answers.
I’ve had up to 5 nephrologists and surgical transplant nephrologists working with me at the same time.
They guys with their ‘hands in the goo’ actually impressed me more AND went along with MY recommendations to change my anti rejection meds to a different family of immunosuppressive agents based on my research and personal observations. Saved myself a lot of problems. Including further bone marrow injury.
Also played this with 2 cardiologists against each other.
I got a good people now after a chewing thru dozens of dead wood.
Are you the Samuel L. Jackson character from Unbreakable?
Or 170 years old?
I’d be a hell of a doctor shopper if the opiate game was still fast n loose.
New guy says, "I joined because you guys are sooo right"
Campfire responds, "yes, yes we are! OMG welcome! Tell us again. We love you long time..."
One biggie is when you do find competent physicians, theres usually a considerable wait to get to em.
Good docs like smart patients. Remember you from years ago. Even the staff does.
Remember, most who they are trying to heal are lazy and or stupid.
Covid is real.
Unfortunately it is also really political.
And the reality of the health care system ...is corruption.
Many years ago I use to frequent the Campfire as I am an avid hunter/shooter. I decided to reenlist after reading so many threads about Covid. Lot’s of interesting discussions and a lot of opinions. Like everyone else, I’ve got mine. Not here is piss on toes, but maybe I can pass on a little insight and facts.
I retired from the healthcare field after 26 years. I was an infection control & surveillance instructor and worked with foreign health ministries, hospitals, doctors, nurses, sanitation workers, plant and mechanical engineers, and risk management departments. I’ve worked in field hospitals to the largest medical institutions in the world in 15+ countries. At the end of the day, I was a glorified janitor, but during my career I witnessed the Man Behind the Curtain and boy it ain’t pretty.
A few observations about our current state of US medical care, guidance we are being fed, and the pandemic:
1. Just because you have a Dr. In front of your name doesn’t mean you know everything even though you might believe otherwise. Doctors today are little more than union employees thanks to the Affordable Care Act and Medicare/Medicaid. It’s all about Group Think, and you either comply with the program or you’re cancelled and lose your career.
2. Today, the half-life of medical knowledge is less than two years. Most anything your doctor tells you is probably wrong or soon will be.
3. Not every medical solution comes from a pharmacy and a hospital. We like to believe the US has the best medical care and on many levels it does, but it is amazing the scotch tape and kite string medical innovation that happens in the most impoverished corners of the world.
4. US Hospitals are little more than Risk Management organizations. It’s no longer about Quality of Care, but managing risks and profits. Hospital CEO’s are bean counters focused on managing costs and liability and not on improving patient care.
5. US Hospitals are the only American industry that can kill 120,000 Americans a year through Nosocomial infections and employ doctors that kill another 250,000 Americans a year though medical errors and still remain open.
6. Defensive Medicine has turned into “How many bills can I submit to the insurer and Medicare/Medicaid?” Patients are little more than Cash Cows today. Check in and be prepared for a long, excruciating experience of endless tests and procedures while hoping that you survive the ride. Fun times.
7. Big Pharma controls the show. They control the FDA, they control the drugs available and promoted by doctors, they crush any outside innovation or competition, they control the treatment pathway, and they are in collusion with the Hospitals and Insurers. And like lawyers, they all get paid regardless of the outcome and have about as much emotional investment in the outcome.
8. Healthcare Workers (aka Nurses and PAs) are the real doctors today. I found few that were not invested in their patient’s well-being and were at a minimum, as knowledgeable and capable as someone with a Dr in front of their name. They save countless patient’s lives from medical mistakes made by their “superiors”. They are underpaid, underappreciated, and treated with all the respect of a disposable tongue depressor. They are the heroes of this pandemic.
9. US Medical Research Universities are controlled by and a slave to their funding sources. They produce the evidence based research they are instructed to produce. They, like virtually all other research institutions in the US, are professional welfare whores. Deviate from the plan and the funding evaporates.
10. The current pandemic presented the perfect opportunity for the largest power grab in human history. Politicians have become doctors and doctors are quietly complicit in the process for fear of being cancelled. In private, most of the US docs (that I know personally) who are still practicing are at a minimum terrified by what is happening. The retired doctors that I know are apoplectic with what they are witnessing.
The pandemic has been used as a political divisive tool to control group think and behavior; the Racism Tool pales in comparison. Every socioeconomic class has been shattered and pitted against one another.
And for the record, I am not vaxxed not because I believe in the conspiracy theories but because I don’t believe in the “science” that has been presented. I pour though PubMed and countless peer reviewed studies every day - an old occupational habit. I have not found any evidence that compels me to line up as an unpaid experimental lab rat. In fact, there is mounting evidence to reinforce my initial skepticism over the “science”. Contrary to what Fauci has promised, the facts show we ain’t mass vaxxing our way out of this pandemic and may well be making matters far worse.
In closing, question everything and do your own research. I do not believe ANY of the pandemic data that is being reported in this country. Politics, power, and money are controlling the narrative.... as it always does.
Go choke on a chode.
Welcome new guy! Your introduction took long enough to get to the point. All you have stated is personal opinion! No facts linked. Thanks for your opinion!
What facts do you have?
Never said I had facts! That is an observation! Observations and opinions are different! Just like opinions and facts are different! You want to enlighten me and others with facts, go for it. I'm sure all would welcome facts!
My local hospital has acquired every health care facility within a 120 mile radius. They have a monopoly.
A couple years ago a federal agency fined them $24 million. Basically they were engaging in cronyism and referring patients to other specialist for test and more test, essentially milking the patients for every dime they could .
This hospital organization will either silence or terminate anyone that doesn't tow the company line. They promote yes men, promotions are not based on competence.
This parallels what the OP is saying.
And yes Heymen06 you can dismiss this as opinion, but my wife and stepdaughter worked for the beast and saw it firsthand..... also the fines are public record.
Oh and currently there is a major battle going on , the workers want to unionize as the abuse has been so bad. Not an opinion
Your post never surprise me because after all you are from Oregon. Whatever you do please never leave Oregon
. I'm not dismissing anything. The OP opinion or your input about hospital. The hospitals across the country are all doing the same thing! Thanks to the obummer days! In my community the hospital has gone as far as trying to dictate where state and local buildings are built. Why because instead of improving healthcare by recruiting good Drs. They bought real estate, then tried to force the city and county governments to purchase said property! Another thing the weakest argument ever put forth by anyone is to stereotype someone because of where they live! Thats like saying all Texans are queer because you got buggered by a queer Texan! I actually thought you were smarter than that, guess not! My politics lean way right! To the point most call me radical! But then thats just opinion!
Welcome to the Fire Mr. Wilson.
Nice post, goes with what many here have experienced themselves.
What was your previous username here?
I have a PSA for you, watch out for these 5 dipschits.
the AR15 is a soulless weapon for feckless people.
I am a 75 year old life long Republican. Last week I early voted for Biden, sometime when you hire some one they don't work out, that's the way I look at Trump.
I'd vote for Ted Cruz or Mike Lee or Allen West before I'd vote Trump. If it was something like Flop McRunny or Lez Shyny, I'd vote Biden again until the lesson sticks with even the stupidest.
Many years ago I use to frequent the Campfire as I am an avid hunter/shooter. I decided to reenlist after reading so many threads about Covid. Lot’s of interesting discussions and a lot of opinions. Like everyone else, I’ve got mine. Not here is piss on toes, but maybe I can pass on a little insight and facts.
I retired from the healthcare field after 26 years. I was an infection control & surveillance instructor and worked with foreign health ministries, hospitals, doctors, nurses, sanitation workers, plant and mechanical engineers, and risk management departments. I’ve worked in field hospitals to the largest medical institutions in the world in 15+ countries. At the end of the day, I was a glorified janitor, but during my career I witnessed the Man Behind the Curtain and boy it ain’t pretty.
A few observations about our current state of US medical care, guidance we are being fed, and the pandemic:
1. Just because you have a Dr. In front of your name doesn’t mean you know everything even though you might believe otherwise. Doctors today are little more than union employees thanks to the Affordable Care Act and Medicare/Medicaid. It’s all about Group Think, and you either comply with the program or you’re cancelled and lose your career.
2. Today, the half-life of medical knowledge is less than two years. Most anything your doctor tells you is probably wrong or soon will be.
3. Not every medical solution comes from a pharmacy and a hospital. We like to believe the US has the best medical care and on many levels it does, but it is amazing the scotch tape and kite string medical innovation that happens in the most impoverished corners of the world.
4. US Hospitals are little more than Risk Management organizations. It’s no longer about Quality of Care, but managing risks and profits. Hospital CEO’s are bean counters focused on managing costs and liability and not on improving patient care.
5. US Hospitals are the only American industry that can kill 120,000 Americans a year through Nosocomial infections and employ doctors that kill another 250,000 Americans a year though medical errors and still remain open.
6. Defensive Medicine has turned into “How many bills can I submit to the insurer and Medicare/Medicaid?” Patients are little more than Cash Cows today. Check in and be prepared for a long, excruciating experience of endless tests and procedures while hoping that you survive the ride. Fun times.
7. Big Pharma controls the show. They control the FDA, they control the drugs available and promoted by doctors, they crush any outside innovation or competition, they control the treatment pathway, and they are in collusion with the Hospitals and Insurers. And like lawyers, they all get paid regardless of the outcome and have about as much emotional investment in the outcome.
8. Healthcare Workers (aka Nurses and PAs) are the real doctors today. I found few that were not invested in their patient’s well-being and were at a minimum, as knowledgeable and capable as someone with a Dr in front of their name. They save countless patient’s lives from medical mistakes made by their “superiors”. They are underpaid, underappreciated, and treated with all the respect of a disposable tongue depressor. They are the heroes of this pandemic.
9. US Medical Research Universities are controlled by and a slave to their funding sources. They produce the evidence based research they are instructed to produce. They, like virtually all other research institutions in the US, are professional welfare whores. Deviate from the plan and the funding evaporates.
10. The current pandemic presented the perfect opportunity for the largest power grab in human history. Politicians have become doctors and doctors are quietly complicit in the process for fear of being cancelled. In private, most of the US docs (that I know personally) who are still practicing are at a minimum terrified by what is happening. The retired doctors that I know are apoplectic with what they are witnessing.
The pandemic has been used as a political divisive tool to control group think and behavior; the Racism Tool pales in comparison. Every socioeconomic class has been shattered and pitted against one another.
And for the record, I am not vaxxed not because I believe in the conspiracy theories but because I don’t believe in the “science” that has been presented. I pour though PubMed and countless peer reviewed studies every day - an old occupational habit. I have not found any evidence that compels me to line up as an unpaid experimental lab rat. In fact, there is mounting evidence to reinforce my initial skepticism over the “science”. Contrary to what Fauci has promised, the facts show we ain’t mass vaxxing our way out of this pandemic and may well be making matters far worse.
In closing, question everything and do your own research. I do not believe ANY of the pandemic data that is being reported in this country. Politics, power, and money are controlling the narrative.... as it always does.
What was you previous screen name?
Happy Camper
Many years ago I use to frequent the Campfire as I am an avid hunter/shooter. I decided to reenlist after reading so many threads about Covid. Lot’s of interesting discussions and a lot of opinions. Like everyone else, I’ve got mine. Not here is piss on toes, but maybe I can pass on a little insight and facts.
I retired from the healthcare field after 26 years. I was an infection control & surveillance instructor and worked with foreign health ministries, hospitals, doctors, nurses, sanitation workers, plant and mechanical engineers, and risk management departments. I’ve worked in field hospitals to the largest medical institutions in the world in 15+ countries. At the end of the day, I was a glorified janitor, but during my career I witnessed the Man Behind the Curtain and boy it ain’t pretty.
A few observations about our current state of US medical care, guidance we are being fed, and the pandemic:
1. Just because you have a Dr. In front of your name doesn’t mean you know everything even though you might believe otherwise. Doctors today are little more than union employees thanks to the Affordable Care Act and Medicare/Medicaid. It’s all about Group Think, and you either comply with the program or you’re cancelled and lose your career.
2. Today, the half-life of medical knowledge is less than two years. Most anything your doctor tells you is probably wrong or soon will be.
3. Not every medical solution comes from a pharmacy and a hospital. We like to believe the US has the best medical care and on many levels it does, but it is amazing the scotch tape and kite string medical innovation that happens in the most impoverished corners of the world.
4. US Hospitals are little more than Risk Management organizations. It’s no longer about Quality of Care, but managing risks and profits. Hospital CEO’s are bean counters focused on managing costs and liability and not on improving patient care.
5. US Hospitals are the only American industry that can kill 120,000 Americans a year through Nosocomial infections and employ doctors that kill another 250,000 Americans a year though medical errors and still remain open.
6. Defensive Medicine has turned into “How many bills can I submit to the insurer and Medicare/Medicaid?” Patients are little more than Cash Cows today. Check in and be prepared for a long, excruciating experience of endless tests and procedures while hoping that you survive the ride. Fun times.
7. Big Pharma controls the show. They control the FDA, they control the drugs available and promoted by doctors, they crush any outside innovation or competition, they control the treatment pathway, and they are in collusion with the Hospitals and Insurers. And like lawyers, they all get paid regardless of the outcome and have about as much emotional investment in the outcome.
8. Healthcare Workers (aka Nurses and PAs) are the real doctors today. I found few that were not invested in their patient’s well-being and were at a minimum, as knowledgeable and capable as someone with a Dr in front of their name. They save countless patient’s lives from medical mistakes made by their “superiors”. They are underpaid, underappreciated, and treated with all the respect of a disposable tongue depressor. They are the heroes of this pandemic.
9. US Medical Research Universities are controlled by and a slave to their funding sources. They produce the evidence based research they are instructed to produce. They, like virtually all other research institutions in the US, are professional welfare whores. Deviate from the plan and the funding evaporates.
10. The current pandemic presented the perfect opportunity for the largest power grab in human history. Politicians have become doctors and doctors are quietly complicit in the process for fear of being cancelled. In private, most of the US docs (that I know personally) who are still practicing are at a minimum terrified by what is happening. The retired doctors that I know are apoplectic with what they are witnessing.
The pandemic has been used as a political divisive tool to control group think and behavior; the Racism Tool pales in comparison. Every socioeconomic class has been shattered and pitted against one another.
And for the record, I am not vaxxed not because I believe in the conspiracy theories but because I don’t believe in the “science” that has been presented. I pour though PubMed and countless peer reviewed studies every day - an old occupational habit. I have not found any evidence that compels me to line up as an unpaid experimental lab rat. In fact, there is mounting evidence to reinforce my initial skepticism over the “science”. Contrary to what Fauci has promised, the facts show we ain’t mass vaxxing our way out of this pandemic and may well be making matters far worse.
In closing, question everything and do your own research. I do not believe ANY of the pandemic data that is being reported in this country. Politics, power, and money are controlling the narrative.... as it always does.
What was you previous screen name?
Happy Camper
Go away, boy. You’re not respected here.
Many years ago I use to frequent the Campfire as I am an avid hunter/shooter. I decided to reenlist after reading so many threads about Covid. Lot’s of interesting discussions and a lot of opinions. Like everyone else, I’ve got mine. Not here is piss on toes, but maybe I can pass on a little insight and facts.
I retired from the healthcare field after 26 years. I was an infection control & surveillance instructor and worked with foreign health ministries, hospitals, doctors, nurses, sanitation workers, plant and mechanical engineers, and risk management departments. I’ve worked in field hospitals to the largest medical institutions in the world in 15+ countries. At the end of the day, I was a glorified janitor, but during my career I witnessed the Man Behind the Curtain and boy it ain’t pretty.
A few observations about our current state of US medical care, guidance we are being fed, and the pandemic:
1. Just because you have a Dr. In front of your name doesn’t mean you know everything even though you might believe otherwise. Doctors today are little more than union employees thanks to the Affordable Care Act and Medicare/Medicaid. It’s all about Group Think, and you either comply with the program or you’re cancelled and lose your career.
2. Today, the half-life of medical knowledge is less than two years. Most anything your doctor tells you is probably wrong or soon will be.
3. Not every medical solution comes from a pharmacy and a hospital. We like to believe the US has the best medical care and on many levels it does, but it is amazing the scotch tape and kite string medical innovation that happens in the most impoverished corners of the world.
4. US Hospitals are little more than Risk Management organizations. It’s no longer about Quality of Care, but managing risks and profits. Hospital CEO’s are bean counters focused on managing costs and liability and not on improving patient care.
5. US Hospitals are the only American industry that can kill 120,000 Americans a year through Nosocomial infections and employ doctors that kill another 250,000 Americans a year though medical errors and still remain open.
6. Defensive Medicine has turned into “How many bills can I submit to the insurer and Medicare/Medicaid?” Patients are little more than Cash Cows today. Check in and be prepared for a long, excruciating experience of endless tests and procedures while hoping that you survive the ride. Fun times.
7. Big Pharma controls the show. They control the FDA, they control the drugs available and promoted by doctors, they crush any outside innovation or competition, they control the treatment pathway, and they are in collusion with the Hospitals and Insurers. And like lawyers, they all get paid regardless of the outcome and have about as much emotional investment in the outcome.
8. Healthcare Workers (aka Nurses and PAs) are the real doctors today. I found few that were not invested in their patient’s well-being and were at a minimum, as knowledgeable and capable as someone with a Dr in front of their name. They save countless patient’s lives from medical mistakes made by their “superiors”. They are underpaid, underappreciated, and treated with all the respect of a disposable tongue depressor. They are the heroes of this pandemic.
9. US Medical Research Universities are controlled by and a slave to their funding sources. They produce the evidence based research they are instructed to produce. They, like virtually all other research institutions in the US, are professional welfare whores. Deviate from the plan and the funding evaporates.
10. The current pandemic presented the perfect opportunity for the largest power grab in human history. Politicians have become doctors and doctors are quietly complicit in the process for fear of being cancelled. In private, most of the US docs (that I know personally) who are still practicing are at a minimum terrified by what is happening. The retired doctors that I know are apoplectic with what they are witnessing.
The pandemic has been used as a political divisive tool to control group think and behavior; the Racism Tool pales in comparison. Every socioeconomic class has been shattered and pitted against one another.
And for the record, I am not vaxxed not because I believe in the conspiracy theories but because I don’t believe in the “science” that has been presented. I pour though PubMed and countless peer reviewed studies every day - an old occupational habit. I have not found any evidence that compels me to line up as an unpaid experimental lab rat. In fact, there is mounting evidence to reinforce my initial skepticism over the “science”. Contrary to what Fauci has promised, the facts show we ain’t mass vaxxing our way out of this pandemic and may well be making matters far worse.
In closing, question everything and do your own research. I do not believe ANY of the pandemic data that is being reported in this country. Politics, power, and money are controlling the narrative.... as it always does.
What was you previous screen name?
Happy Camper
Go away, boy. You’re not respected here.
Or Wanted.
Great post, OP.
Only news to the wishful thinking crowd, though.
After a lifetime of being healthy I got to experience the healthcare system first hand in 2019 and 2020. Two extended stays in the hospital with life threatening issues. I wont bore you with the details. But my experience very closely mimics the OPs thoughts. Like any business there are good and bad players. I was impressed with most nurses and PAs. A little less with certain Docs other than my own person doc who is a lifelong friend and hunting buddy I credit him with getting me straightened out long term. My surgeons and cardiologists were all top notch. Some of the others were sort of detached and just running in prescribing drugs and tests. Some necessary some outright BS. I cant say that I didnt receive quality care but there was a few times that if I wasn't questioning what was going on I may have had a bad outcome. I let the docs know who got offended when I had questions that they could either answer my questions or I would request they be replaced. Some seemed shocked by my boldness.
I got along very well with most all my caregivers and I tried to make my time with them as enjoyable as possible. I saw a lot of things that were great and some not so great.
Many years ago I use to frequent the Campfire as I am an avid hunter/shooter. I decided to reenlist after reading so many threads about Covid. Lot’s of interesting discussions and a lot of opinions. Like everyone else, I’ve got mine. Not here is piss on toes, but maybe I can pass on a little insight and facts.
I retired from the healthcare field after 26 years. I was an infection control & surveillance instructor and worked with foreign health ministries, hospitals, doctors, nurses, sanitation workers, plant and mechanical engineers, and risk management departments. I’ve worked in field hospitals to the largest medical institutions in the world in 15+ countries. At the end of the day, I was a glorified janitor, but during my career I witnessed the Man Behind the Curtain and boy it ain’t pretty.
A few observations about our current state of US medical care, guidance we are being fed, and the pandemic:
1. Just because you have a Dr. In front of your name doesn’t mean you know everything even though you might believe otherwise. Doctors today are little more than union employees thanks to the Affordable Care Act and Medicare/Medicaid. It’s all about Group Think, and you either comply with the program or you’re cancelled and lose your career.
2. Today, the half-life of medical knowledge is less than two years. Most anything your doctor tells you is probably wrong or soon will be.
3. Not every medical solution comes from a pharmacy and a hospital. We like to believe the US has the best medical care and on many levels it does, but it is amazing the scotch tape and kite string medical innovation that happens in the most impoverished corners of the world.
4. US Hospitals are little more than Risk Management organizations. It’s no longer about Quality of Care, but managing risks and profits. Hospital CEO’s are bean counters focused on managing costs and liability and not on improving patient care.
5. US Hospitals are the only American industry that can kill 120,000 Americans a year through Nosocomial infections and employ doctors that kill another 250,000 Americans a year though medical errors and still remain open.
6. Defensive Medicine has turned into “How many bills can I submit to the insurer and Medicare/Medicaid?” Patients are little more than Cash Cows today. Check in and be prepared for a long, excruciating experience of endless tests and procedures while hoping that you survive the ride. Fun times.
7. Big Pharma controls the show. They control the FDA, they control the drugs available and promoted by doctors, they crush any outside innovation or competition, they control the treatment pathway, and they are in collusion with the Hospitals and Insurers. And like lawyers, they all get paid regardless of the outcome and have about as much emotional investment in the outcome.
8. Healthcare Workers (aka Nurses and PAs) are the real doctors today. I found few that were not invested in their patient’s well-being and were at a minimum, as knowledgeable and capable as someone with a Dr in front of their name. They save countless patient’s lives from medical mistakes made by their “superiors”. They are underpaid, underappreciated, and treated with all the respect of a disposable tongue depressor. They are the heroes of this pandemic.
9. US Medical Research Universities are controlled by and a slave to their funding sources. They produce the evidence based research they are instructed to produce. They, like virtually all other research institutions in the US, are professional welfare whores. Deviate from the plan and the funding evaporates.
10. The current pandemic presented the perfect opportunity for the largest power grab in human history. Politicians have become doctors and doctors are quietly complicit in the process for fear of being cancelled. In private, most of the US docs (that I know personally) who are still practicing are at a minimum terrified by what is happening. The retired doctors that I know are apoplectic with what they are witnessing.
The pandemic has been used as a political divisive tool to control group think and behavior; the Racism Tool pales in comparison. Every socioeconomic class has been shattered and pitted against one another.
And for the record, I am not vaxxed not because I believe in the conspiracy theories but because I don’t believe in the “science” that has been presented. I pour though PubMed and countless peer reviewed studies every day - an old occupational habit. I have not found any evidence that compels me to line up as an unpaid experimental lab rat. In fact, there is mounting evidence to reinforce my initial skepticism over the “science”. Contrary to what Fauci has promised, the facts show we ain’t mass vaxxing our way out of this pandemic and may well be making matters far worse.
In closing, question everything and do your own research. I do not believe ANY of the pandemic data that is being reported in this country. Politics, power, and money are controlling the narrative.... as it always does.
What was you previous screen name?
Happy Camper
Go away, boy. You’re not respected here.
Or Wanted.
1234Fag,
I take that as a compliment coming from the gender confused.
One holiday my girlfriend and I went to her sister's. As soon as I walked in, I could tell that the home decorator was "gay."
It wasn't nearly this out of the closet.
https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbt...ew/1/kingston-home-decorating-llc#UNREADLOL
pretty much echos anyone who is honest who has a spent a long career in healthcare
good post. double like
If you or a loved one has spent amount of time in a hospital or dealing with a serious health issue you quickly learn that you and /or a loved one has to be a vocal advocate for good competent care and to ask a lot of questions or better yet get a second or third opinion if something does not seem right. Doctors do often make mistakes, even specialists. Many working in healthcare are burned out and don't care. AMA and CDC are political organizations and not be be trusted
Be proactive in your own health, eat healthy and stay active and exercise. Keep up on current health trends, About 80 per cent in ICU's during Covid are obese. Look at what Americans have been ingesting during covid. Over half of Americans, even children dont appear to even care about their personal health.
Many years ago I use to frequent the Campfire as I am an avid hunter/shooter. I decided to reenlist after reading so many threads about Covid. Lot’s of interesting discussions and a lot of opinions. Like everyone else, I’ve got mine. Not here is piss on toes, but maybe I can pass on a little insight and facts.
I retired from the healthcare field after 26 years. I was an infection control & surveillance instructor and worked with foreign health ministries, hospitals, doctors, nurses, sanitation workers, plant and mechanical engineers, and risk management departments. I’ve worked in field hospitals to the largest medical institutions in the world in 15+ countries. At the end of the day, I was a glorified janitor, but during my career I witnessed the Man Behind the Curtain and boy it ain’t pretty.
A few observations about our current state of US medical care, guidance we are being fed, and the pandemic:
1. Just because you have a Dr. In front of your name doesn’t mean you know everything even though you might believe otherwise. Doctors today are little more than union employees thanks to the Affordable Care Act and Medicare/Medicaid. It’s all about Group Think, and you either comply with the program or you’re cancelled and lose your career.
2. Today, the half-life of medical knowledge is less than two years. Most anything your doctor tells you is probably wrong or soon will be.
3. Not every medical solution comes from a pharmacy and a hospital. We like to believe the US has the best medical care and on many levels it does, but it is amazing the scotch tape and kite string medical innovation that happens in the most impoverished corners of the world.
4. US Hospitals are little more than Risk Management organizations. It’s no longer about Quality of Care, but managing risks and profits. Hospital CEO’s are bean counters focused on managing costs and liability and not on improving patient care.
5. US Hospitals are the only American industry that can kill 120,000 Americans a year through Nosocomial infections and employ doctors that kill another 250,000 Americans a year though medical errors and still remain open.
6. Defensive Medicine has turned into “How many bills can I submit to the insurer and Medicare/Medicaid?” Patients are little more than Cash Cows today. Check in and be prepared for a long, excruciating experience of endless tests and procedures while hoping that you survive the ride. Fun times.
7. Big Pharma controls the show. They control the FDA, they control the drugs available and promoted by doctors, they crush any outside innovation or competition, they control the treatment pathway, and they are in collusion with the Hospitals and Insurers. And like lawyers, they all get paid regardless of the outcome and have about as much emotional investment in the outcome.
8. Healthcare Workers (aka Nurses and PAs) are the real doctors today. I found few that were not invested in their patient’s well-being and were at a minimum, as knowledgeable and capable as someone with a Dr in front of their name. They save countless patient’s lives from medical mistakes made by their “superiors”. They are underpaid, underappreciated, and treated with all the respect of a disposable tongue depressor. They are the heroes of this pandemic.
9. US Medical Research Universities are controlled by and a slave to their funding sources. They produce the evidence based research they are instructed to produce. They, like virtually all other research institutions in the US, are professional welfare whores. Deviate from the plan and the funding evaporates.
10. The current pandemic presented the perfect opportunity for the largest power grab in human history. Politicians have become doctors and doctors are quietly complicit in the process for fear of being cancelled. In private, most of the US docs (that I know personally) who are still practicing are at a minimum terrified by what is happening. The retired doctors that I know are apoplectic with what they are witnessing.
The pandemic has been used as a political divisive tool to control group think and behavior; the Racism Tool pales in comparison. Every socioeconomic class has been shattered and pitted against one another.
And for the record, I am not vaxxed not because I believe in the conspiracy theories but because I don’t believe in the “science” that has been presented. I pour though PubMed and countless peer reviewed studies every day - an old occupational habit. I have not found any evidence that compels me to line up as an unpaid experimental lab rat. In fact, there is mounting evidence to reinforce my initial skepticism over the “science”. Contrary to what Fauci has promised, the facts show we ain’t mass vaxxing our way out of this pandemic and may well be making matters far worse.
In closing, question everything and do your own research. I do not believe ANY of the pandemic data that is being reported in this country. Politics, power, and money are controlling the narrative.... as it always does.
Don’t let the door hit you in the butt leaving !!
Well I think it’s sweet that you had an immediate attraction to that fella. I don’t care what anyone else says.
Good for you or Go phuuuqck yourself?
To the OP,
I have friends in Hospital Administration and the conversations I have witnessed validate exactly your post. I already had that view before your post but I like to think you are legit and what you say is accurate.
Boarmaster1,
I had almost the same situation and exactly the same experience.
Awesome thoughts, many things you said are so true, it's crazy we stay functional. We are beyond fixing any of this mess.
This.
Ditto
Awesome thoughts, many things you said are so true, it's crazy we stay functional. We are beyond fixing any of this mess.
This.
Ditto
There's a fix, but try getting it through the maze of paperwork, fighting lobbying from the Pharmas, BC/BS, the insurance industry, AMA, and .gov regulators.
You've no doubt heard of Credit Unions and Electrical Co-ops? Owned by the members (not some Fund in NYC or China) and any "profit" is distributed back to them in the form of lower rates and sometimes even a dividend type check. And every member has a vote
Our Electric Co-op, over 100 years old and still going strong, has the lowest rates and the best service in the State. The workers are paid as well as anywhere else, and likely better than some other places. A person, yes a real live ENGLISH speaking person, answers the phone when called about an outage in the neighborhood.
Sure, co-ops and credit unions likely have some bad operators, unlike just about all "banks" and Utilities, but I'd rather give my $$$ to a local entity than a large corporation that has the stockholders interests in mind and not mine.
Other than the roadblocks mentioned above, I see no reason a Medical Co-op wouldn't work. Docs would still get paid according to their skill set, just like engineers or credit union execs.
STRSWilson, thank you. About half of what you stated I either knew or assumed. Thanks much for confirming and coloring in the rest.
Best Wishes to you in your retirement.
PS- I'm guessing you're probably pretty thankful you don't have to deal with the brain noise nonsense personally, face to face anymore.
Everything you say is wonderful.
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After a lifetime of being healthy I got to experience the healthcare system first hand in 2019 and 2020. Two extended stays in the hospital with life threatening issues. I wont bore you with the details. But my experience very closely mimics the OPs thoughts. Like any business there are good and bad players. I was impressed with most nurses and PAs. A little less with certain Docs other than my own person doc who is a lifelong friend and hunting buddy I credit him with getting me straightened out long term. My surgeons and cardiologists were all top notch. Some of the others were sort of detached and just running in prescribing drugs and tests. Some necessary some outright BS. I cant say that I didnt receive quality care but there was a few times that if I wasn't questioning what was going on I may have had a bad outcome. I let the docs know who got offended when I had questions that they could either answer my questions or I would request they be replaced. Some seemed shocked by my boldness.
I got along very well with most all my caregivers and I tried to make my time with them as enjoyable as possible. I saw a lot of things that were great and some not so great.
Been there.. and did the same. Couple years before your incarceration.
PS- I had to put my foot down and damn near fight my way out of the fk'n place.
Dillonbuck:
270vsCreed? - 416 Rigby, but if I was forced to choose between the two, the .416 Rigby. I have been known to shoot a pile of .270 in WSM but I don't like to brag about it. I am not really a new fad sort of shooter.
Miracle Whip vs Mayo? Mayo (Miracle Whip is a desert topping and floor wax)
Hellman's vs Dukes? I am a Southern Boy - Only Dukes
Beans? Nope, Just BBQ
I don't trust you yet.
I think you have done research and answered politically.
And you dodged the first question.
Politician/lawyer/used car salesman?
But you do admit 270wsm.
Phag-mum?
Welcome back, but we gotta watch ya!
Everything you say is wonderful.
Why?
FFS
lol
Everything you say is wonderful.
Why?
FFS
lol
Just going with the flow, the new guy speaks truths.... The Campfire says yes yes yes! I can't bear it anymore, Im hitting the Walmart, with reciprocity... .
I'll second, or third or fourth or whatever, the lust for billing.
I'm an unfortunate soul, was "saved" from Hodgkin's lymphoma in 1976 with cobalt radiation, 4000 rads per phase, about 40 times what the near survivors of the Jap bombs were zapped with. So, for decades I've been an outcast, uninsurable unless I wanted a safe government or corporate job, not the life for me. So I hoarded a pile of cash, and the INSTANT I started thinking I might be able to ENJOY that hoard, SPLAT.
Three years short of Medicare, well, let's just say the flames re-lit and I'm trying now to figure out how I'm going to end. But I'm six months and probably 80 grand into "diagnosis" and only now is the picture clarifying, and THAT's after a hellacious struggle just getting in to see the various practitioners, who are all fully siloed into their specialties and unable to accept the fact that peasant ME figured it out. I've got at least seven tumors, two gone (finally), two inoperable already, and two others still needing invasive biopsies, I forgot the seventh (oh yeah, colon, there were five there but nothing major).
But the billing has been an outrage. 21 grand ALONE has been for three body scans, yet those expensive scans weren't good enough to determine the condition of my prostate prior to them cutting me open. Jeezus Fin Chistopher!
Hellth care, that's what it is.
I'll second, or third or fourth or whatever, the lust for billing.
I'm an unfortunate soul, was "saved" from Hodgkin's lymphoma in 1976 with cobalt radiation, 4000 rads per phase, about 40 times what the near survivors of the Jap bombs were zapped with. So, for decades I've been an outcast, uninsurable unless I wanted a safe government or corporate job, not the life for me. So I hoarded a pile of cash, and the INSTANT I started thinking I might be able to ENJOY that hoard, SPLAT.
Three years short of Medicare, well, let's just say the flames re-lit and I'm trying now to figure out how I'm going to end. But I'm six months and probably 80 grand into "diagnosis" and only now is the picture clarifying, and THAT's after a hellacious struggle just getting in to see the various practitioners, who are all fully siloed into their specialties and unable to accept the fact that peasant ME figured it out. I've got at least seven tumors, two gone (finally), two inoperable already, and two others still needing invasive biopsies, I forgot the seventh (oh yeah, colon, there were five there but nothing major).
But the billing has been an outrage. 21 grand ALONE has been for three body scans, yet those expensive scans weren't good enough to determine the condition of my prostate prior to them cutting me open. Jeezus Fin Chistopher!
Hellth care, that's what it is.
If you voted for Biden, you should suck start a Glock
Was that your first affair?
I'll second, or third or fourth or whatever, the lust for billing.
I'm an unfortunate soul, was "saved" from Hodgkin's lymphoma in 1976 with cobalt radiation, 4000 rads per phase, about 40 times what the near survivors of the Jap bombs were zapped with. So, for decades I've been an outcast, uninsurable unless I wanted a safe government or corporate job, not the life for me. So I hoarded a pile of cash, and the INSTANT I started thinking I might be able to ENJOY that hoard, SPLAT.
Three years short of Medicare, well, let's just say the flames re-lit and I'm trying now to figure out how I'm going to end. But I'm six months and probably 80 grand into "diagnosis" and only now is the picture clarifying, and THAT's after a hellacious struggle just getting in to see the various practitioners, who are all fully siloed into their specialties and unable to accept the fact that peasant ME figured it out. I've got at least seven tumors, two gone (finally), two inoperable already, and two others still needing invasive biopsies, I forgot the seventh (oh yeah, colon, there were five there but nothing major).
But the billing has been an outrage. 21 grand ALONE has been for three body scans, yet those expensive scans weren't good enough to determine the condition of my prostate prior to them cutting me open. Jeezus Fin Chistopher!
Hellth care, that's what it is.
If you voted for Biden, you should suck start a Glock
Besides that I'm pretty sure he choose not to be insured as Obamacare took care of being "uninsurable".
I'm not to sure about Mr. Wilson as he refuses to answer questions and he thinks Ivermectin is used for Lupus.
Ivermectin is a widely prescribed drug throughout the African continent, Asia, India, and South America. Since its inception, more than 3.7 billion doses have been dispensed and it has saved countless lives. Here in the States those suffering from Lupus have been taking it for years on end without any complications.
Makes me wonder about the guy a little.
Hmmm. Didn't see a Chunky for sure. Chunky ladies, all of them. I know you secretly like WM so....
I got some soda I never heard of called Ale81, ginger and citrus? Some tonic water with quinine (because it will probably prevent the CoVage which I am very frightened of according to what's his name.) Nothing else regionally specific, besides possibly extra brands of pork skins. I was hoping for some of those frozen Jamaican beef breaded sandwich things in a microwave pouch, but, no go. They're south east only I think. Happiness was found in the form of WM chocolate ice cream cone 8-pack. They're an awesome treat.
Walmart rating, this is Ohio, not cool like Iowa. Very much darker here. This one is a 2 star, close to 3. Fuucking disaster area. Roof leaking without buckets to catch it. Steady rain from Nebraska across Missouri, Illinois, Indiana. Employees pretending to work. Chit misplaced everywhere. Playing jiggiboo music on the PA. Spray paint isle tagged. The trashiest white folk I've seen outside of Arkansas. About half-masked. They freaking eye-balled me intensely at the self-checkout! WTF?
Hi Ol Toots new sock puppet
Many years ago I use to frequent the Campfire as I am an avid hunter/shooter. I decided to reenlist after reading so many threads about Covid. Lot’s of interesting discussions and a lot of opinions. Like everyone else, I’ve got mine. Not here is piss on toes, but maybe I can pass on a little insight and facts.
I retired from the healthcare field after 26 years. I was an infection control & surveillance instructor and worked with foreign health ministries, hospitals, doctors, nurses, sanitation workers, plant and mechanical engineers, and risk management departments. I’ve worked in field hospitals to the largest medical institutions in the world in 15+ countries. At the end of the day, I was a glorified janitor, but during my career I witnessed the Man Behind the Curtain and boy it ain’t pretty.
A few observations about our current state of US medical care, guidance we are being fed, and the pandemic:
1. Just because you have a Dr. In front of your name doesn’t mean you know everything even though you might believe otherwise. Doctors today are little more than union employees thanks to the Affordable Care Act and Medicare/Medicaid. It’s all about Group Think, and you either comply with the program or you’re cancelled and lose your career.
2. Today, the half-life of medical knowledge is less than two years. Most anything your doctor tells you is probably wrong or soon will be.
3. Not every medical solution comes from a pharmacy and a hospital. We like to believe the US has the best medical care and on many levels it does, but it is amazing the scotch tape and kite string medical innovation that happens in the most impoverished corners of the world.
4. US Hospitals are little more than Risk Management organizations. It’s no longer about Quality of Care, but managing risks and profits. Hospital CEO’s are bean counters focused on managing costs and liability and not on improving patient care.
5. US Hospitals are the only American industry that can kill 120,000 Americans a year through Nosocomial infections and employ doctors that kill another 250,000 Americans a year though medical errors and still remain open.
6. Defensive Medicine has turned into “How many bills can I submit to the insurer and Medicare/Medicaid?” Patients are little more than Cash Cows today. Check in and be prepared for a long, excruciating experience of endless tests and procedures while hoping that you survive the ride. Fun times.
7. Big Pharma controls the show. They control the FDA, they control the drugs available and promoted by doctors, they crush any outside innovation or competition, they control the treatment pathway, and they are in collusion with the Hospitals and Insurers. And like lawyers, they all get paid regardless of the outcome and have about as much emotional investment in the outcome.
8. Healthcare Workers (aka Nurses and PAs) are the real doctors today. I found few that were not invested in their patient’s well-being and were at a minimum, as knowledgeable and capable as someone with a Dr in front of their name. They save countless patient’s lives from medical mistakes made by their “superiors”. They are underpaid, underappreciated, and treated with all the respect of a disposable tongue depressor. They are the heroes of this pandemic.
9. US Medical Research Universities are controlled by and a slave to their funding sources. They produce the evidence based research they are instructed to produce. They, like virtually all other research institutions in the US, are professional welfare whores. Deviate from the plan and the funding evaporates.
10. The current pandemic presented the perfect opportunity for the largest power grab in human history. Politicians have become doctors and doctors are quietly complicit in the process for fear of being cancelled. In private, most of the US docs (that I know personally) who are still practicing are at a minimum terrified by what is happening. The retired doctors that I know are apoplectic with what they are witnessing.
The pandemic has been used as a political divisive tool to control group think and behavior; the Racism Tool pales in comparison. Every socioeconomic class has been shattered and pitted against one another.
And for the record, I am not vaxxed not because I believe in the conspiracy theories but because I don’t believe in the “science” that has been presented. I pour though PubMed and countless peer reviewed studies every day - an old occupational habit. I have not found any evidence that compels me to line up as an unpaid experimental lab rat. In fact, there is mounting evidence to reinforce my initial skepticism over the “science”. Contrary to what Fauci has promised, the facts show we ain’t mass vaxxing our way out of this pandemic and may well be making matters far worse.
In closing, question everything and do your own research. I do not believe ANY of the pandemic data that is being reported in this country. Politics, power, and money are controlling the narrative.... as it always does.
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