The real purpose is to be able to restrict the travel ability of the populace. With an median range of 250 miles and an average charge range of 6-12 hours, this would severely restrict the range in which the populace can travel. Thus, further putting us under the thumb of our overlords. It has zero to do with the environment, zero to do with better technology, zero to do with jobs and everything to do with further limiting our ability to rebel.
We need to contact our congressmen and express our opposition to electric car mandates by the EPA and other agencies.
See how far you get when they turn the gasoline supply off. Or tax it into oblivion.
At least you could charge a battery car from a solar panel.
Wait until the EV folks realize that as gasoline taxes dry up, they will be paying a mileage road tax to cover the lost revenues.
Let the squealing commence...
Interesting thought, the restriction of travel. Probably some truth in that.
I can do a lot of damage in a 250 mile radius.
We need to convert to green tech in order to conserve fossil fuels for military and agriculture. Diesel to fight and rebuild will.be essential in the case of world war.
Hydrogen fuel cells seem most likely. Stop taxing anything related to development of a nationwide network of stations and cars to use them. Problem is government at all levels by both parties is so addicted to theft by taxation they cannot bear to get out of the way of private industry. If you talk to a so-called conservative about anything they immediate start thinking like a socialist.
My theory is that climate change propaganda and electric vehicles are being used to improve nuke power image.
It worked.
See how far you get when they turn the gasoline supply off. Or tax it into oblivion.
At least you could charge a battery car from a solar panel.
If “they” turn off the gas supply your electric car will be by far the least of your worries. Armageddon will probably ensue. You can also forget plugging your electric car in for a recharge. Also good luck with your solar charged car. You might also want to add a sail on it for added insurance.
See how far you get when they turn the gasoline supply off. Or tax it into oblivion.
At least you could charge a battery car from a solar panel.
Diesels are the way to go. Run on a whole list of hydrocarbons including vegetable oil.
Wait until the EV folks realize that as gasoline taxes dry up, they will be paying a mileage road tax to cover the lost revenues.
Let the squealing commence...
Good point!
The real purpose is to be able to restrict the travel ability of the populace. With an median range of 250 miles and an average charge range of 6-12 hours, this would severely restrict the range in which the populace can travel. Thus, further putting us under the thumb of our overlords. It has zero to do with the environment, zero to do with better technology, zero to do with jobs and everything to do with further limiting our ability to rebel.
We need to contact our congressmen and express our opposition to electric car mandates by the EPA and other agencies.
Agreed.
Along with restricted range there is the cost of a vehicle and charging time.
My scenario has your average serf living in an apartment using public transportation. Recreation will be organized and quite tame. And you WILL be happy.
So how does the theory work when they all come with a 500 mile battery?
Wait until the EV folks realize that as gasoline taxes dry up, they will be paying a mileage road tax to cover the lost revenues.
Let the squealing commence...
We wont have to feel left out. They will put a infrastructure tax on all electric so we all can pay it.
The local and national electrical grid is not capable of supporting high densities of EV fast chargers. Of course in many areas the current grid isn't capable of addressing current demand. The estimate right now to upgrade the local grid for each new EV is $5,800 or about $870 billion not including the cost of additional generation plants that will be needed.
So the burden to address the additional capacity demand will be reverted to the EV owner to install their own generation capability. Currently a 20 KW solar system necessary to support one fast charger per household costs in the neighborhood of $55,000 +/-. Maintenance and battery replacement will run about 8% per year.
The green energy dreamers never bother to consider the consequences of their agenda, EV owners certainly haven't.
Sounds like with electric powered vehicles you best plan on plugging them up at every opportunity and leave them connected for as long as possible, otherwise pray you never have to deal with any surprise emergency need to travel 'cause there ain't no whipping in to a gas station for a quickie dose of fossil fuel and back on the road in just a couple of minutes...
How Many Solar Panels To Charge An Electric Car?
...This is a fairly loaded question as every solar system is different and every electric car is different. So, let’s begin to unpack this question and give you the tools necessary to figure it out for your specific circumstances. First, because not all solar panels have the same wattage but can be the same size, certain panels will charge the vehicle faster or slower than other panels. Additionally, even smaller solar panels can charge a battery but if the battery is too big, in the case of an electric car, it will take far too long. Finally, electric car batteries vary drastically in size. Obviously, smaller electric car batteries will charge faster than larger car batteries. For the purposes of an example, lets make a few assumptions. First, we will assume we are using 350 watt panels which are being used to charge the vehicle. Next, we will assume we want the car to fully charge in eight hours of direct sunlight in the summer. Finally, we will assume the electric car battery requires 60 kWh to fully charge. To charge this battery in eight hours of direct sunlight, we can divide the 60 kWh by eight hours to determine than you will need a 7.5 kW system to accomplish this feat. 7.5 kW is equal to 7,500 watts. At 350 watts per panel, this is equivalent to a little more than 21 solar panels. Every situation is different. If, for instance, you are willing to wait 10 hours to fully charge the vehicle, the math works out slightly different. This would only require a 6 kW or 6,000 watt system. Using the same 350 watt panels, this only represents slightly more than 17 panels. Every one of these three main factors can affect the number of panels it takes to charge an electric vehicle. In addition to these basic assumptions, cloud cover and time of day can influence the necessary panels to charge this vehicle. As technology, both solar and battery storage, improves with additional research and development, the number of panels and time it takes to fully charge an electric vehicle is gradually falling to more impressive levels.
...How to use solar panels to charge your electric vehicle
If you have solar panels on the roof of your home, or are thinking of installing them, it’s important to note that they cannot actually store electricity. This means that whatever they generate has to be used immediately – either to power devices in your home or sold back to the grid. This power can also be stored in a solar battery, which is a device offered by a number of providers including e.on, EDF, Moixa and Tesla.
The benefit of a battery system is that any excess energy from your solar panels can be stored and used to power your home or electric car when the panels aren't producing charge overnight. Otherwise, your solar panels will only be able to charge your electric car during the day.
To efficiently charge an electric vehicle using solar panels, you will also have to install a home charging unit and a PV inverter unit that converts the solar energy into DC current for the vehicle. There are several of these systems available for purchase already, some of which combine both of these elements in one box. However, there's no standalone solar-powered charging system available – rather, it must be integrated with the rest of your domestic power supply system.
The costs aren’t small, though. Depending on which wallbox you buy, prices range from a couple of hundred pounds for the most basic 3kW systems, rising to close to four figures for the most advanced 22kW units. Solar panels are expensive, too. A 1kW system with four panels taking up eight square metres costs between £1,500 and £3,000. Bigger systems cost more.
A 1kW system is estimated to generate 850kWh of energy output a year: that could fully charge the new Honda e 24 times over, which translates into some 3,250 miles of driving range. If your annual mileage is relatively low, solar panels could be a great long-term solution. It's worth noting, however, that the average domestic solar-panel installation doesn't produce enough electricity in a day to fully charge an electric car.
How long does it take to charge an electric car using solar power and what are the savings like?
This obviously depends on the amount of sunlight and the type of panels on your roof, as well as the type of wallbox charger you have. We visited one electric-car owner, Warren Philips of Shoreham-on-Sea, who uses solar panels to charge his Renault ZOE. On a sunny day, the panels on his roof can generate upwards of 40kWh of electricity, enough to charge the 40kWh battery in his car. ...
... Brief overview of existing charging systems
The times below are averages given for information only and are calculated based on fully charging a completely empty battery.
Recharging with a domestic plug into a regular household socket: 8-to-10 hours
Excluding sports and upmarket models, most electric cars are recharged in 8-to-10 hours on any 230 V power outlet through a cable with an adapter provided by the vehicle manufacturer.
The ideal is to charge electric cars at night unless they can benefit from electricity produced by your solar panels!
Normal charging with a home charge point: 4-to-6 hours
It is possible to have a charging station for domestic electric vehicles installed at your home. Some electricity providers offer to install a system designed to recharge electric cars at their customers’ homes: a “wall box”.
For a budget of €300.00 to €1,000.00, charging time is reduced almost by half. This makes it the cheapest and the easiest solution to put in place. Beware though, it is sometimes necessary to increase the power of the electrical connection to the house, which can increase the bill.
Corporate semi-quick charging: 1¼ hours
Companies can install more powerful connections for recharging their fleets. They also generally have three-phase circuits, which greatly reduces the charging time compared to recharging at home.
Quick charging at petrol stations: 30 Minutes
A very powerful terminal can charge an electrical battery to 80% in a half hour.
This time could be further reduced in the coming years: the manufacturer Tesla is currently developing an electrical terminal capable of fully charging a battery in a matter of minutes. The electrical power needed is enormous: 600 kilowatts, equivalent to the connecting power of 70 houses!
The local and national electrical grid is not capable of supporting high densities of EV fast chargers. Of course in many areas the current grid isn't capable of addressing current demand. The estimate right now to upgrade the local grid for each new EV is $5,800 or about $870 billion not including the cost of additional generation plants that will be needed.
So the burden to address the additional capacity demand will be reverted to the EV owner to install their own generation capability. Currently a 20 KW solar system necessary to support one fast charger per household costs in the neighborhood of $55,000 +/-. Maintenance and battery replacement will run about 8% per year.
The green energy dreamers never bother to consider the consequences of their agenda, EV owners certainly haven't.
I have little doubt we will all pay for that upgrade as well.
I can do a lot of damage in a 250 mile radius.
Not if you live out west. .....especially in the cold winter where your range will drop below 100
I can do a lot of damage in a 250 mile radius.
Not if you live out west. .....especially in the cold winter where your range will drop below 100
True statement.
So how does the theory work when they all come with a 500 mile battery?
And just how long do you suppose it'll take to recharge THAT? And at what cost could that be then??
I can do a lot of damage in a 250 mile radius.
Not if you live out west. .....especially in the cold winter where your range will drop below 100
Yep - especially in the Northland areas..
The local and national electrical grid is not capable of supporting high densities of EV fast chargers. Of course in many areas the current grid isn't capable of addressing current demand. The estimate right now to upgrade the local grid for each new EV is $5,800 or about $870 billion not including the cost of additional generation plants that will be needed.
So the burden to address the additional capacity demand will be reverted to the EV owner to install their own generation capability. Currently a 20 KW solar system necessary to support one fast charger per household costs in the neighborhood of $55,000 +/-. Maintenance and battery replacement will run about 8% per year.
The green energy dreamers never bother to consider the consequences of their agenda, EV owners certainly haven't.
I have little doubt we will all pay for that upgrade as well.
Their rules, our pain...
If they can force us to buy an electric car that we don't want, then they can do about anything else they want to.
So how does the theory work when they all come with a 500 mile battery?
They dont. That scenario only works in S California.
If you plug one in at home, you need to install high speed bearings and a cooling fan in your power meter.
BEV's don't have to do with restricting travel -- the centrally-controlled cars, that is what will restrict travel on a very granular basis. The limited range of BEVs is a temporary technological constraint. Having full control over the navigation of each individual vehicle remotely is far more powerful and it can be achieved with any powertrain. I'm sure it will be evaded in widespread ways during the transition, but then on a dwindling scale as mandates are handed to manufacturers, incentives are made to most people that are indifferent, and finally punishments are meted out to the disobedient in terms of higher insurance premiums, fines, and eventually criminal prosecution. Sure, it will be something that would continue to be possible to evade, but control of 99.99% of transportation is enough.
As for the BEVs, they're just a profit scheme. Right now, ICEVs are a mature technology with low-margins and a lot of competition. They're like Personal Computers were. The corporations are facing razor-thin margins and rising competition from China that could dump product on the market. The only things holding it off are tariffs and import restrictions. It's not just about the threat of Chinese imports though. Even now, there's too much competition and too little profit. BEVs are an opportunity to reset the marketplace. One maker (Tesla) already disrupted the market and now a few others that have access to the required capital will adapt to the change, but many that don't have the flexibility to adapt will be eliminated. Look at the capital that Tesla is needing to build battery factories, and consider which power centers will determine charging infrastructure standards. There will be a lot of consolidation in the automotive market. Even if a wide variety of quirky brands pop up, none of them will control even 1% of the market. As it always does, heavy-handed government regulation will have the effect of reducing competition, raising prices, and limiting innovation.
BEVs won't accomplish anything for the environment or climate change. They will generate a net increase in energy use, traffic, road-expansion, urban-sprawl and every other problem that comes with the automobile -- because they're no different. Environmentally, they are exactly the same paradigm that we already have with just one little detail that's different. They relocate the source of carbon emissions, and potentially reduce carbon emissions if solar, nuclear or wind sources are used, but they solve this one problem at massive cost while leaving all the other problems untouched. Whether the cost of solving that one problem is worth it is debatable, but the ones that stand to profit from it have already made up their mind.
The green energy moonbats have opposed nearly every green energy initiative here in Maine. Scream when windmills show up in view of their favorite mountain, don't cut a tree to put in solar, don't build a grid from hydro, subsidize the purchase of EVs, especially to LMI populations, but force the utility to upgrade without rate increases.
They are litterally out of control in this state
Except that the majority of todays electric cars get better than 300 mi., and the top ten get right at 350 or better and that is without completely draining the battery. Not to mention that rapid charging (such as at a charge station) can ad another 200+ mi. in 20-30 min. In other words there is very little difference in type of vehicle. Electric Semi's are even starting to appear. So basically your premise is full of [bleep]...
Phil
Cradle to grave EV’s will be just as if not worse for the environment.
No free lunch.
How does electric work out for people living rural, towing and hauling heavy loads, plowing snow, back country travel etc, in sub-zero cold?
All the cars with satellite connections can probably be disabled with one click of a mouse. Wouldn’t surprise me if that little app was already built and waiting for use, en masse.
You can do that now (and for the last 20 years) with gas cars...
Phil
EVs aren’t the problem.
Mandates are.
You can do that now (and for the last 20 years) with gas cars...
Phil
This fugking idiot lives where it takes 90 minutes to traverse 20 miles of highway.
LOL
So how does the theory work when they all come with a 500 mile battery?
And just how long do you suppose it'll take to recharge THAT? And at what cost could that be then??
Some of the better current batteries and fast charging stations can do a 80% in like 20 minutes. I don't have one of these vehicles so I'm not defending them per se. Just think the theory is a stretch since technology changes will make it moot probably within 2-4 years. There's a solid state battery company looking to scale up to car size batteries. Their goal is to double the capacity to about 500 miles and cut the charging time by around 75%.
I would be more concerned with them saying that they need to put gadgets on every car and tax by the mile.
One big consideration is who owns all of the lithium for these batteries? Lithium, currently, cannot be recycled.
Start making millions of lithium batteries for EV's and watch the environmental weenies cry from the damage associated with that kind of strip mining.
Clyde
Ganfeng is China's largest producer of lithium and they supply Tesla. China is the second largest lithium producer behind Bolivia and then next is Australia.
But guess who is sitting on an estimated $1 trillion dollar reserve? - Biden's Taliban 2.0 Little wonder why China is setting up shop there. Obama's payoff to the Iranians pales in comparison to Biden setting up the Taliban and China.
So at the end of the day, liberals want the US dependent on Islamic states for our petroleum supplies and terrorists states for our rare Earth minerals. I'm starting not to like those guys very much.
I would be more concerned with them saying that they need to put gadgets on every car and tax by the mile.
The ideas proposed to charge a fair state road tax once EVs become more abundant will be interesting.
Local county fuel tax ideas dreamed up by dingy County commissioners will be nothing short of mind numbing.
Me thinks license plates for EVs will become spendy.
Governor Dickhead Edwards of Louisiana after Ida hit was hollering for his as shole buddy Biden to send down gasoline and diesel fuel because storm crippled the electric grid! That was rather ironic in that Slo Joe is the Green Machine mogul! Haven’t understood yet why Slo Joe didn’t send AOC and her gimlet communist ass down with some solar and wind machines to clean up the debris from Ida!!
Except that the majority of todays electric cars get better than 300 mi., and the top ten get right at 350 or better and that is without completely draining the battery. Not to mention that rapid charging (such as at a charge station) can ad another 200+ mi. in 20-30 min. In other words there is very little difference in type of vehicle. Electric Semi's are even starting to appear. So basically your premise is full of [bleep]...
Phil
So how does the theory work when they all come with a 500 mile battery?
And just how long do you suppose it'll take to recharge THAT? And at what cost could that be then??
Some of the better current batteries and fast charging stations can do a 80% in like 20 minutes. I don't have one of these vehicles so I'm not defending them per se. Just think the theory is a stretch since technology changes will make it moot probably within 2-4 years. There's a solid state battery company looking to scale up to car size batteries. Their goal is to double the capacity to about 500 miles and cut the charging time by around 75%.
... Quick charging at petrol stations: 30 Minutes
A very powerful terminal can charge an electrical battery to 80% in a half hour.
This time could be further reduced in the coming years: the manufacturer Tesla is currently developing an electrical terminal capable of fully charging a battery in a matter of minutes. The electrical power needed is enormous: 600 kilowatts, equivalent to the connecting power of 70 houses!
Chinese Battery car manufactured Aion demonstrated its new 480KW charging station last month, charging it’s new SUV FROM 30 to 80% in 5 minutes. It operates at 880 volts and a max charge at 560A.
https://thedriven.io/2021/08/31/chinas-gac-aion-unveils-480kw-fast-charger/Chinese EV manufacturer GAC Aion officially debuted its long-awaited 480kW fast charger on Monday, which will be able to charge the company’s upcoming electric Aion V SUV from 30% to 80% in under five minutes.
GAC Aion, the EV subsidiary of Chinese car manufacturing giant Guangzhou Automobile Corporation (GAC) Group, reportedly held an event on Monday in which it unveiled the A480 supercharger. Neither the company’s English nor Chinese language websites appear to have any official information regarding the event, but several local media outlets covered the event.
The new A480 supercharger can add 200-kilometres of range in five minutes, charge from 30% to 80% in just 4-minutes and 50-seconds, and charge from 0-80% in only eight minutes.
During the event, GAC Aion showed its Aion V SUV charging from 30% to 80% using a supercharger with a peak charging power of 480kW and charged with 35.1kWh of power and a maximum charge current of 560A.