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See how far you get when they turn the gasoline supply off. Or tax it into oblivion.

At least you could charge a battery car from a solar panel.

See how far you get when they turn the gasoline supply off. Or tax it into oblivion.

At least you could charge a battery car from a solar panel.

Wait until the EV folks realize that as gasoline taxes dry up, they will be paying a mileage road tax to cover the lost revenues.

Let the squealing commence...

The real purpose is to be able to restrict the travel ability of the populace. With an median range of 250 miles and an average charge range of 6-12 hours, this would severely restrict the range in which the populace can travel. Thus, further putting us under the thumb of our overlords. It has zero to do with the environment, zero to do with better technology, zero to do with jobs and everything to do with further limiting our ability to rebel.

We need to contact our congressmen and express our opposition to electric car mandates by the EPA and other agencies.

Wait until the EV folks realize that as gasoline taxes dry up, they will be paying a mileage road tax to cover the lost revenues.

Let the squealing commence...

...This is a fairly loaded question as every solar system is different and every electric car is different. So, let’s begin to unpack this question and give you the tools necessary to figure it out for your specific circumstances. First, because not all solar panels have the same wattage but can be the same size, certain panels will charge the vehicle faster or slower than other panels. Additionally, even smaller solar panels can charge a battery but if the battery is too big, in the case of an electric car, it will take far too long. Finally, electric car batteries vary drastically in size. Obviously, smaller electric car batteries will charge faster than larger car batteries. For the purposes of an example, lets make a few assumptions. First, we will assume we are using 350 watt panels which are being used to charge the vehicle. Next, we will assume we want the car to fully charge in eight hours of direct sunlight in the summer. Finally, we will assume the electric car battery requires 60 kWh to fully charge. To charge this battery in eight hours of direct sunlight, we can divide the 60 kWh by eight hours to determine than you will need a 7.5 kW system to accomplish this feat. 7.5 kW is equal to 7,500 watts. At 350 watts per panel, this is equivalent to a little more than 21 solar panels. Every situation is different. If, for instance, you are willing to wait 10 hours to fully charge the vehicle, the math works out slightly different. This would only require a 6 kW or 6,000 watt system. Using the same 350 watt panels, this only represents slightly more than 17 panels. Every one of these three main factors can affect the number of panels it takes to charge an electric vehicle. In addition to these basic assumptions, cloud cover and time of day can influence the necessary panels to charge this vehicle. As technology, both solar and battery storage, improves with additional research and development, the number of panels and time it takes to fully charge an electric vehicle is gradually falling to more impressive levels.

...How to use solar panels to charge your electric vehicle

If you have solar panels on the roof of your home, or are thinking of installing them, it’s important to note that they cannot actually store electricity. This means that whatever they generate has to be used immediately – either to power devices in your home or sold back to the grid. This power can also be stored in a solar battery, which is a device offered by a number of providers including e.on, EDF, Moixa and Tesla.

The benefit of a battery system is that any excess energy from your solar panels can be stored and used to power your home or electric car when the panels aren't producing charge overnight. Otherwise, your solar panels will only be able to charge your electric car during the day.

To efficiently charge an electric vehicle using solar panels, you will also have to install a home charging unit and a PV inverter unit that converts the solar energy into DC current for the vehicle. There are several of these systems available for purchase already, some of which combine both of these elements in one box. However, there's no standalone solar-powered charging system available – rather, it must be integrated with the rest of your domestic power supply system.

The costs aren’t small, though. Depending on which wallbox you buy, prices range from a couple of hundred pounds for the most basic 3kW systems, rising to close to four figures for the most advanced 22kW units. Solar panels are expensive, too. A 1kW system with four panels taking up eight square metres costs between £1,500 and £3,000. Bigger systems cost more.

A 1kW system is estimated to generate 850kWh of energy output a year: that could fully charge the new Honda e 24 times over, which translates into some 3,250 miles of driving range. If your annual mileage is relatively low, solar panels could be a great long-term solution. It's worth noting, however, that the average domestic solar-panel installation doesn't produce enough electricity in a day to fully charge an electric car.
How long does it take to charge an electric car using solar power and what are the savings like?

This obviously depends on the amount of sunlight and the type of panels on your roof, as well as the type of wallbox charger you have. We visited one electric-car owner, Warren Philips of Shoreham-on-Sea, who uses solar panels to charge his Renault ZOE. On a sunny day, the panels on his roof can generate upwards of 40kWh of electricity, enough to charge the 40kWh battery in his car. ...

... Brief overview of existing charging systems

The times below are averages given for information only and are calculated based on fully charging a completely empty battery.
Recharging with a domestic plug into a regular household socket: 8-to-10 hours

Excluding sports and upmarket models, most electric cars are recharged in 8-to-10 hours on any 230 V power outlet through a cable with an adapter provided by the vehicle manufacturer.
The ideal is to charge electric cars at night unless they can benefit from electricity produced by your solar panels!
Normal charging with a home charge point: 4-to-6 hours

It is possible to have a charging station for domestic electric vehicles installed at your home. Some electricity providers offer to install a system designed to recharge electric cars at their customers’ homes: a “wall box”.
For a budget of €300.00 to €1,000.00, charging time is reduced almost by half. This makes it the cheapest and the easiest solution to put in place. Beware though, it is sometimes necessary to increase the power of the electrical connection to the house, which can increase the bill.
Corporate semi-quick charging: 1¼ hours

Companies can install more powerful connections for recharging their fleets. They also generally have three-phase circuits, which greatly reduces the charging time compared to recharging at home.
Quick charging at petrol stations: 30 Minutes

A very powerful terminal can charge an electrical battery to 80% in a half hour.
This time could be further reduced in the coming years: the manufacturer Tesla is currently developing an electrical terminal capable of fully charging a battery in a matter of minutes. The electrical power needed is enormous: 600 kilowatts, equivalent to the connecting power of 70 houses!

The local and national electrical grid is not capable of supporting high densities of EV fast chargers. Of course in many areas the current grid isn't capable of addressing current demand. The estimate right now to upgrade the local grid for each new EV is $5,800 or about $870 billion not including the cost of additional generation plants that will be needed.

So the burden to address the additional capacity demand will be reverted to the EV owner to install their own generation capability. Currently a 20 KW solar system necessary to support one fast charger per household costs in the neighborhood of $55,000 +/-. Maintenance and battery replacement will run about 8% per year.

The green energy dreamers never bother to consider the consequences of their agenda, EV owners certainly haven't.

I can do a lot of damage in a 250 mile radius.

Not if you live out west. .....especially in the cold winter where your range will drop below 100