when I totaled my 2010 PU I have been looking for another of about the same year, The new auto dealers will not sell you one. they sell all their trade-ins to wholesellers , that sell them in auctions or whatever else they do with them,,, but not sold on their lot.. I am too old to use up a new truck. and no one wants my leftover.. there are some available ,but by the time they are road worthy I would have the cost of a new truck in them...so what are you all that are in my place doing...?

I stopped driving my existing truck into trees.

YMMV

Sage advice here!

Buy a new one and enjoy life.

If there’s money to be made a dealer isn’t going to wholesale anything unless it’s too old, likely ten years because they don’t want the headache of mechanical issues. Buy from private sellers

^^^This^^^

Exactly. Dealers will sell most vehicles to max their profits.

So, uh, whaddya think the guys that buy 'em at the auction do with 'em?

Asking for a friend.

I'm shopping as well. $$$$$$$$$

Not necessarily true. Dealer Inventory management has become a science. We can almost exactly pinpoint the likelihood of a vehicle selling before floor planning costs eat into profit - down to exterior color. Brown cars sell slowest, if you're curious. We call 'em "stay around brown."

Also, a Buick dealer, for instance, will most likely turn and burn a Chrysler at auction. And vice versa.

So, remember folks, no one wants your brown car.

So if there’s money to be made they keep it.

My brother just bought a truck from a dealer who is selling used vehicles under book. No negotiations, this is the price type deal. Brother's lender even agreed it was a good price. Dealer would rather have your long term business than screw you over. Rare.

My 2020 4Runner books for over 10k what I bought it for new and now it has 20k miles. Under book doesn’t mean a lot IMO. Not in todays market.

Hahah, yeah.

But there's so much more that goes into it. I may be able to make, say a $4k gross profit on a Tahoe if I retail it. But the analytics tell me I'll likely have to keep it for 90 days, pay floor plan interest on it, lot upkeep, certification and reconditioning costs and commissions when it's sold. Or, run it through the auction, make $1k, and free up cash.

The new and used car market is completely fugked right now.

That's what happens when you shut production down for 12 months.

Thank a COVTARD.

I understand. 👍

Now’s not the time to buy, but it’s probably going to get worser and worser.

I ordered a new F150 months ago and it's been delayed 5 different times. It's build date was 8/9 but I'm guessing it's been parked somewhere waiting for chips. The system just finally moved it from in production to build and preparing to ship. Hopefully I'll have it soon. The kids are tired of me taking them to school in my old 94 2 door yukon I usually just hunt in. Those rear seat belts in the older vehicles weren't made to actually be used.

Bb

Keep a few thousand dollars handy if you want a 10 year old truck. When they come up for sale by an individual ready money is your friend. Not necessarily so with dealers, they want the finance or lease money. Buy from an individual.

Just curious. Did you get a price below MSRP?

No offense but I think some of you guys are out of the loop concerning the current market.

True.

I keep a nickel in my britches in case I want some sugar candy at the general store.

I have noticed a lot of the people at auctions are just used car lot owners buying them for their lots.

Anyhow you may pay more at an actual dealership for a used vehicle than from an individual, but at the same time a dealership (usually) will have their mechanics go through it and make any necessary repairs before selling. Same with a used car dealer if they have a mechanic, or they'll take it to an autoshop they work with before reselling. Most individuals selling their vehicles sell them as is, and often bandaid any issues so you don't notice them until you make the deal. I am sure exceptions to this exit, but as a general rule this has been my experience.

If you finance, you often get a better interest rate buying new vs used, regardless if you go through a dealer or not.

There's lots of ups and downs to decipher.

You guys are cracking me the fugk up.

My wife's Highlander is one year old. ONE year old.

CARMAX (read that again) will give me $10K over what she paid. On a fugking Highlander.

Buckle your seat belts, it's gonna get worse.

Yeah, man, buy from an individual. 'Cuz some random dude on craigslist wouldn't lie to you, nor misrepresent the car, would he?

For several years I was friends with one of those guys, he had a lot in Michigan and wintered in Yuma at our same RV Resort, he ran his business by phone from there. He gave me some good tips. The main idea I got from him is when looking at a used vehicle, dont focus so much on what it is, instead look to see what it will take to bring it up to speed. This has worked out very well for me, for instance about 10 years ago I bought a 2003 F150 single cab, paid $7500 for it and spent probably another $2000 on it, over a thousand of that was for the ARE topper. New tires and shocks, full service, etc, bits and pieces. I still drive it daily and it has been a good ol' truck for me, I would not have done any better buying a new one. Probably today might sell for what I have in it.
I

I’m getting ready to sell half the cars in my driveway and the three in the front yard

Used car dealers getting them from auction.....canada, north east and michigan.
10 yrs old, 150 k miles and rusty underneath.
15 grand

But they offer financing for everone LOL

Not a clean rig at fair price anywhere.


Pickups going well above normal price.
Buy a new one, drive it a couple yrs and sell for more than paid

Crazy.

5 dollar gas will kill that game

You’re funny today.

I understand, but the best deals I've been able to get are from folks with a extra car/truck on their hands maybe due to a death or whatever. The market is strange right now. I bought a new GMC 4WD crew cab in February of 2020 and could easily get as much or more than I paid for it with 18,000 miles on it.

Is the DMV allowing you to keep driving?

It's shocking how quickly the government ruined the dollar's value.

Just got rid of my 2012 F350 with 111k for $35k

Glad my old Dart is still kicking.

Did they use lube?

I have never had a problem buying from an individual but this is pretty much what I do. If the asking price is close to the value of the vehicle, I calculate what it will cost to make any necessary repairs. With the internet it is not hard to estimate the value of almost any vehicle. I am still able to do most of my own repairs and have the facilities to do so. I still include some labor for myself.

Same stuff I use on your sister

If you will check your DMV, there is no law against driving while asleep... sleeping is a natural act, not something you smoked..

Go to sleep when not driving a motor vehicle

Just like jerking off, totally legal and natural, as long as there's no internet porn involved.

Looking for something and drove by a small Chevy dealership today, he had 5 new ones out front. Another larger one had 10 or so. The next Ford down the road had a few trucks on the lot. A huge GMC/Toyota/Buick/Hundai, Subaru,Cadillac, etc, etc dealer about 5 miles from me had at least 20 clean used ...Anyone can buy them...One is a 2021 Tundra with 600miles...Platinum @ $55,992 asking.

Drove past a couple Dodge dealerships and Rams were plentiful....The Jeep dealers are stocked up like nothing is going on. I guess they would sell you one also.

My closest Chevy lot has only a few used....A friend is a small country Chevy dealer and right now has a few new trucks...all pretty much basic work trucks..Nothing with much of an upgrade....

You have a lot of car lots there.

I was at a shoot and four were 70 miles from home. Three others are within 3-10 miles. My friends dealership is close to 100 from home.

Bigger radius than it seemed at first. 👍

Dealers here have hardly anything.
Everything they get has been ordered by customers.
Theyre selling, just dont have any general sale stuff on their lots.

Bud got a new truck off a lot, but works for manufacturer and got the reg discount. After he got it they supply at that dealership dried up again.

Dunno if any are going full retail or above.

Saw a hauler w new trucks going down the road a couple days ago. Dunno what dealer got em.

I cant find any deals on used clean lower.mileage stuff.
Dealers that have a couple want top dollar.

Almost bad enough to say fugg it and buy a damn new one.

This. I grew up in a new car/ truck dealership. We aways kept the late model trades for our used car lot. The older trades we wholesaled as they more times than not had mechanical issues or we found they would shortly after the sale to the customer. Once in a while we would keep an older model trade but it was very uncommon.
The wholesalers would stop in write us a check and those old trades were someone else's headache. I hated the car business so I went on to other things after college. I did do a five year stint as the Parts and Service Director at one of our family stores in the late 1990’s. That pretty well got the car biz out of my system for good.

In 2017 I tried to buy a truck like that. I researched and looked but after I looked at my special depreciation write off for my business portion of my use it was better for me to buy a new truck. So I did. I would like a new truck but my 2017 is clean as a new one and 50k on the miles. New tires and no issues so give the current market I am going to drive it another year and take a look next year.

I’m about 20 miles outside of Pittsburgh…. If one would take a 30 mile radius around Pittsburgh….there are at least 50…and I wouldn’t be afraid to bet more.

I wanted a good used pickup last week. Went to Autotrader.com. Looked for a crew cab 4wd with less than 45k miles, 2018 or 2019. A dozen or more popped up near my home. Most all at dealers. I ended up buying the one I felt was the best deal for me. Still some factory warranty left. Even came with a topper, which saved me $1500 or so. I would NEVER shop used cars without checking online first. The savings in time and money is unreal. Best of luck in your search.

Hubert, you'd probably be better off hiring some housewife with a car to take you to WalMart and the pharmacy. She can stop at 7-11 so you can buy your lottery tickets too.

That would be cheaper than buying a new pickup. And Lord knows the public and yourself would be a thousand times safer.

I am probably in better physical than you are, people who meet me don't believe I am as old I am.. so why are you being such an azz ? Is it because of my age?? or my medical condition? My DR and I have my problems in control, so stop being such an azz and help me find a pickup and I can put my Harley Sportster up for the winter,, Yes goat brain I am still riding my Harley, how do you like that chit brain?

Are you easily the tallest guy in the quartet?

Combine that buying leverage with Hubert!

I'm focused more on keeping the vehicles I have in good running shape. No way do I want to try to buy anything worth having in this market.

Come on in, boys. The water is real warm.

Glad I bought a new truck in March, right before everything went nuts. Wife has a Highlander while the kids have an Accord. Planning to keep those running as long as possible, which will hopefully be a long time. I lucked out on that scenario, but am looking to build a house in the next 18 months, so that's going to be my primary debacle with this Covid economy garbage.

Nice older ones are out there. Guys drop over every day like Uncle Jim with his 2007 with less than 40K miles on it. I’ll buy a nice couple year old one and use it only when I need a truck and that isn’t for every day driving. A 10 year old SUV with a trailer hitch gets most of the daily around town stuff. Other than no miles, what does a new truck bring to the party that a few year older one doesn’t? Honestly I’ve had more fun with an older truck with a few worts and moles than a brand new unscratched one.

My brother is in auto sales and they can’t get any vehicles. He ordered a truck for himself last September and just got it last month. All the lots, new and used, around here are just about vacant. We drove to Birmingham a couple of months ago and the dealerships along I-20 were like that too.

They can’t get the computer chips from……….Chyna!

yep, babying the heck out of my 99 Frontier.
It only has 227K on it so I'm good with it as a daily driver.

Sounds like he is looking for an 11-12 year old outfit. And the new car dealers around him aren't messing with vehicles that old and selling them at auction.

People buying them are selling them off the smaller private lots.

I made friends with a woman that does title and other service for people buying and selling vehicles... she has 5 trucks for sale that appear to be in fairly good condition with around 200.000 miles,, most are in $9000 range and are 10 to 20 years old .. I think one of them would be my best bet for a useable one for me, I will be trying them out this afternoon....will let you know if I get one..

You’re a regular Dale Carnegie.

lol

200k miles in PA you better know what you're looking at. rotted frames, core supports, shock towers, brake/fuel lines, etc are common. i know this from shopping and buying trucks for my boys over the past 5 or 6 years.

Went buying a used car for the daughter and it was a circus too. Wanted something fairly new that didn’t have over 100K miles on it around $15K. 8 dealerships later we found something, 2019 Nissan Versa with 41K.

Chevy dealer tried to add another $1K to the price when they seen we were interested in a car and we walked away. Called back the next day trying to get us back by knocking $2K off the price. I told them I wouldn’t step on their lot again.

There are reasons I like dealing with Toyota, I’ve never been jerked around by the salesman or the prices. Wanted a Toyota this time but they only had 2 used cars (2020 Avalons) on the lot and 2 new Highlanders. Pitiful out there right now.

Unless that is a 2007 Chevy with the 5.3.


You don't want that evil on you, Ricky Bobby!

Let us know your DL #

If it saves just one life , Hubie

we've had good luck with the 02-05 silverados. hard to find up here that ain't rotted. probably even harder now. i would steer clear of the mid-2000's dodge 1500. worst vehicle i have ever owned.

Looking at a new Lincoln Aviator , dealership said they'd have to order what I wanted and it would take 3-4 months, OK with me as I didn't want to drive my new SUV through the winter.
I asked if there were any end of the year incentives, none !
Asked if there were any incentives for new 2022's, only one they had were "family & friends" that worked for Ford, which I have none.
Mentioned to them that I've been buying new vehicles since 1967, about every 4 or 5 years and I've never paid sticker, they said they can work around that with adding a few bucks to my trade in, or adding some
optional item like a trailer towing package.
My trade-in is a 2017 Explorer XT with 51K, paid $37K they offered my 25K on a trade in. Told them I'd think about it as I wouldn't order one till Feb. Day later they called back and said they could work on the trade in value when the time comes.
At 77, I figure this is my last vehicle, less than 10K mile a year will carry me well into my 80's.

There's this place called the internet. Start shopping.

Yeah, man, they can't give a trade value on a vehicle today that you'll be driving 'til February. Also, any manufacturer incentives towards the vehicle are at the time of delivery, not at order.

By the way, nice choice - love those new Aviators.

Stop calling me Hubie,,, that is not my name you idiot.

That idiot floored it. Lol

LOL.

Gee, after coming on here asking if $1000+ is okay for a battery, then telling us all how sick you are, and don't have long left in this world, then telling us all how you wrecked and totaled your pickup...

I wonder why anyone would think it's safe to let and elderly person who recently totaled a pickup, back on the road?

Not being an ass. Just telling you what you already know, but don't want to face.

Easy now, buddy, it's just an internet forum and nobody here can hurt you.

I am curious though, what exactly does a woman who "does title and other service for people buying and selling vehicles" do?

That's because the wreck was being filmed by Paul B's Go-Pro. It was one last chance to Roll Coal!


"Oh chidt! Oh chidt! Oh chidt......ROLL COAL!!!"

lol

Rolling coal son!

Sucker people into being proxy buyers for them basically..
Yep...
I can get this that and the other vehicles for 10k.
When they are buying for 6 k.

Let me do all the work for you.
Do you have cash or a cashiers check??

Separate fools from their money.

That was a given from the onset.

Or any Chevy. Just stay away from Chevy

Hubes don’t need ta drive
Hang em up

How did buying your daughter a 5k dollar dog go for ya Hubert?

Hubert: I have RENEWED my efforts to "baby" and make last til the end of my days, my one owner 1996 Dodge Cummins Diesel 4x4 extended cab five speed with 120,000 original miles on it.
Just HEARING the current prices of new (and used!) pickup trucks makes me shudder with trepidation.
I shake my head at the current status of fuel prices, vehicle prices, inflation, shortages and our economy as a whole.
Good luck in your quest.
Hold into the wind
VarmintGuy

ha forgot that gem

Yes, I got it at invoice minus $3000 in rebates and minus another $500 farm bureau insurance discount. MSRP was a little over $62,000 and I'm paying $55,000. The ones on the lot are MSRP or above. I had to go to Soda springs to find a dealer that would give me invoice on an order. Plus that dealership offers a lifetime warranty on every new vehicle. I already traded in my 2019 ram so I could lock in one of the rebates that was going at the time for $2000 trade In rebate. They sold it the first week. They gave me $48,000 for it which was paid off so I just had to pay $7,000.

Bb

Friend your car buying experience was as big a big-top "circus" as you made it to be. According to NADA, 97% of consumers start their car buying journey online. On average, they visit 2 dealerships before purchasing. Only 14% of a shoppers' time, less than 3 hours, is actually spent inside a dealership.
If you went to 8 dealerships, you visited 4x more the number of dealerships than average. Hmm.

To your second paragraph, I find it unlikely a Chevy dealer would "add another $1K to the price when they seen we were interested in a car." Now there may be some reasoning, such as you asked for an extended warranty and special financing through GM's captive lender, Ally.
In order to do so, the dealer must certify that vehicle following a rigorous and costly process outlined under GM's CPO (Certified Pre-Owned) program, e.g., brake pads must be within certain tolerances, tire tread depth must meet specs, even wiper blades, etc., etc.
Once that 150 point check is complete, at $125 bucks an hour (or more), plus repair costs, the dealer then must pay GM a CPO fee, ~$500 bucks.
So, a $1,000 uptick to add GM Certification is a smoking good deal, FYI.
I don't know, I wasn't there, but I bet if I called that general manager or sales manager, they'd have another side to the story.

Lastly, you've never dealt with "Toyota." Toyota is a manufacturer which doesn't sell direct to consumers, rather they rely on independently owned and operated dealer franchises (just like GM).
Statistically, your Toyota "salesman" is just as likely to have been selling Chevys last week, as he is to be selling Fords next week. And the store's owner, or dealer principal, is just as likely to own a Chevy store too. If he does, his sales people likely cross-sell between brands.
Sorry, friend, Toyota stores don't have a monopoly on excellent customer service.

While the car business has a well deserved reputation for fast talking film flam artists willing to screw people over - not every dealer matches that description. Finding a good local dealer expecting they need to make a profit doesn’t have to be awful. Grandfather & Father in law were dealers with drastically different styles. One sold new cars traditionally the other bought at auction bidding low & turning them around in days. The auction cars made him lots of money most of the time. I’ve had the best luck buying from friends- “let me know when you are getting rid of that truck” has worked well for me.

I did not buy a 5k dog.. what the hell are you guys smoking?

Bought a 2004 Ranger 4x4 from a family friend. Paid $8,000 at 57,000 miles. Has 72,000 now. New tires and he left the stereo in but took the amp and some large speakers. I guess you have to be at the place and time. The pickup took me to Texas from the state of Misery to kill hogs and back. Decent on gas and I don't haul a large trailer. Keep watching and something will come up. When it does jump on it. Or someone else will. Be Well, RZ.

Ordered a new 2022 truck last week Hubert but I’m not a broke dick trying to nickel and dime my way to a new truck.

The new truck out the door was 94k but good thing I have a great low mileage (82k) 9 year old F350 Lariat to trade in that will drop that price to around 47k out the door on my new loaded Ford Diesel. Hell I should just sell my old truck locally and buy a beater to tide me over for a few months until the new ride arrives.

Of course with your health and driving proclivities I wouldnt spend good money on a reliable new truck either if I was you. You clearly have had several health issues and one caused you to recently total a truck and your aching to get another rig. We can all see that you don’t care about your own health and life but your willingness to endanger others on the road speaks volumes about you.

I stopped shopping for vehicles in dealerships 12 years ago. Only online. I don't step foot into a dealership until the price is agreed upon and then I hand them a check, do a little paperwork and walk out.

"Show us on the chart where the Tahoe hurt you"


LOL

thats what i been doing the last 3-4 vehicles. takes most of the horschit out of it and lets me pit these scumbag salesmen against each other.

https://www.southeasttexas.com/autos/details.cfm?id=8646788&startrow=1

Folks spending what folks want to spend. I never understood the fascination of the concern of others money.

Well Sir,

I, for one, am concerned that your money isn't in MY savings account!

lol

Americans love to talk about how their neighbors spend their money. It's an interesting phenomenon.

And now that I thi k about it is why, the "tax the rich" and "hate the rich" gains so much traction.

Envy.

It's the most overlooked, F'd up emotion, a human being has, IMO.

I don’t know how PA dealers operate but most that I know are happy to take a trade to sell a new if only for the commission. Good used deals are out there and if you find one out of state, often it will be worth it to have it delivered, or fly to it and drive it home. In Jan of 18 I bought a 2012 F-150 with 19k miles. FX4 with the works. I would rather have a near top end model with some years and miles than a newer base model. Personal preference I guess. An old man had bought it new and practically only drove it to the cafe for coffee and the paper. Then he traded it for a new one to do the same. I hope it will get my girls through college in about 10 more years. I’ve put 35,000 on it since.

Another factor is "bragging". Bragging may bring out another couple of the 7 deadlies.

Pride,
Envy,
Wrath,
Gluttony,
Lust,
Sloth,
and Greed.

Which may apply?

Jealously is the worst human trait, IMO. The car dealerships make it to easy for most folks to spend their money. My son was wanting to buy a new truck, only a $850 a month truck payment. He has the money in the bank so I told him to just withdraw the $70k and go buy yourself the truck. After thinking about it he decided to keep driving his old 2013 Ram 3500.

I don't go to dealers very often, so far maybe 4/5 times in my LIFE.................

But I start with '...If you ask me what I want my payment to be, we are done!!!...'

Most people know what they want for a max payment.......... what they don't know is that they will sell you ANY car on the lot for a payment that is less than your max..............

Still driving my 2001 Dodge Ram 1500 Quad cab, nothing special, manual locks and windows, 330,000 miles...............

It's been worth $5,000 for about 8 years now, it may even be going up in $$..........

Can't replace it for $10K

Air blows cold, no blue smoke, a bit noisy, I just put the 7th set of Bridgestone Duelers on it..........

IDCare what you spend on a truck but I'm not spending $50K..............

Once them new ones start rolling out again, there'll be lots of used..............