Now, whether that's from overseas parts "assembled" here (probably so, that that price point) or not, it's hard to tell. They DID say that the hammer and sear were engineered in the US to better serve the US market tastes (better trigger pulls, less hammer bite). A new HP at $700 MSRP is big news, regardless. I got on "the list" at Kentucky Gun Company, so I could handle one when they come in. I won't buy one without putting my mitts on it first. I love a good Hi Power.
NO MAG SAFETY!!!! About time someone got rid of that abomination.
Odd that he says it uses Mec-Gar Hi-Power mags, which (they say) hold 15 rounds, but I just took delivery of two Mec-Gar Hi Power mags, and they are clearly marked for 13 rounds.
Back in the late 60s could've bought one from a co-worker who had just gotten out of the Army, for a hundred bucks, As new, since he'd only fired it a few times after getting home from Germany. Been tempted several times since to get one, never got around to it? Have shot Hi Powers that others owned and liked them. Just wasn't a big 9mm fan back then.
Once had a SA 1911A1, loaded version. Mine said Brazil on the bottom of the frame, ahead of the trigger guard IIRC? Been several years since I sold it. Like the Ruger SR1911 "Commander" that replaced it, much better.
Wonder how many times this pistol needs to be reintroduced before the industry realizes that very few people actually find them very useful?
The Brownings were always high dollar and back in the day 9mms were snubbed. Everyone that has handled my Hi Power and FEG Hi Power copy commented how good they feel compared to other high capacity pistols. Glocks and Berettas are too thick in the grip area for me. IMO the only thing the plastic gripped pistols have going for them is weight. A good holster and belt take care of that.
I'll have to get one. One of my south African friends was a recce in the border war with Angola. He used to talk about his high power that had a rifle stock he could attach to to it. Many of my Rhodesia friends spoke often about their hi powers too. The cz 75 was also pretty popular there.
I like the hi power because it fits me and i shoot it well.My 1976 Hi power is starting to show its age,i was thinking about sending it to Robar or Cylinder & Slide for an upgrade and a re finish. Might pick up one of these just to have.
My distributor listing (RSR Group) shows the SA-35 as a Girsan...so a Turkish gun manufacturer is punching them out for Springfield? Made under license?
My distributor listing (RSR Group) shows the SA-35 as a Girsan...so a Turkish gun manufacturer is punching them out for Springfield? Made under license?
Figures. But still a cool gun with some improvements on the original.
Yep, I was not trying to out you, understand. I am looking for the actual situation. Not really up for ordering 50 or 100 pistols which won't be that attractive to most shooters.
As far as I can tell, the MADE IN TURKEY label is a turn off and leads to lower selling prices.
I think they should make a model with room to mount a red dot and a rail for a light. Awesome pistoles but they will die without these, IMO
No, this is not one of those, this is a resurrection of a "purists gun", and I think to add those features would detract from sales. There's enough "Wundernines" out there with all of that, these are for a different clientele. This won't be a seller to a guy that would otherwise be looking for a Sig 320 or a G19MOS.
No, this is not one of those, this is a resurrection of a "purists gun", and I think to add those features would detract from sales. There's enough "Wundernines" out there with all of that, these are for a different clientele. This won't be a seller to a guy that would otherwise be looking for a Sig 320 or a G19MOS.
Springfield's website pictures are definitely appealing to a retro point of view.
My distributor listing (RSR Group) shows the SA-35 as a Girsan...so a Turkish gun manufacturer is punching them out for Springfield? Made under license?
I had one yrs ago, yanked the mag disco and changed sights, added C&S safety.
Nice rig. Shot great.
Aint nothin wrong w a P35, even if taken off the range
Sounds like mine. Yanked the mag disconnect last week. Doing so took a few pounds off the trigger pull, and eliminated all the sponginess in the take up.
Nobody has fingered one yet, and the snobbery is already a thing.
This thing will appeal to boomers and even older guys. Squinty eyed dudes. Right after they squint over the sights, some will want a dot.
Like 1911s, would buy a HP in a heartbeat. If it was cheap enough. Same with a CZ. (Too many guns to need anyyhing, or pay too much)
But let's be real. These are guns built for a specific purpose. Time and tech has marched on. If they weren't obsolete, They would be commonly issued. They are actually about 2 gun generations behind.
Junk?
Hell no. I can appreciate well machined tools as much as the next guy. They are beautiful when well done.
But to insinuate they are somehow better than the newer generation, that's foolish.
Love my 1911. Just to sit and mess with it is satisfying. Very nice to shoot. But when I want a tool? I can pick up a lighter, higher capacity, more durable, weather resistant tool.
In the olden days Hi-Powers were sometimes referred to as "Fighting Pistols".
So were Walker Colts, and AT THE TIME, they were. There's nothing wrong with a BHP to take in harms way, there are better tools available 85 years later though.
But let's be real. These are guns built for a specific purpose. Time and tech has marched on. If they weren't obsolete, They would be commonly issued.
Um, it is commonly still issued.
By what first world, well equipped units. That have funding and are equipped with modern gear.
Repeat, they are not junk. Not even close. I wouldn't hesitate to have one in a glovebox, or a 1911.
HMC. mentioned Walker Colt's. Sure wouldn't choose that for the glove box. (Big dam glove box) But if it had been loaded recently and ANTIFA was beating on the glass. It would be darn nice to have. But not as nice as a Glock, M&P, or 320.
Hawkeye; Good evening to you sir, I hope the day's been decent to you and you're well.
As far as I'm aware the Canadian Armed Forces is still issuing Inglis made HP to everyone but some of the door kickers. I want to say JTF2 use something else, perhaps a Sig of some sort?
Talking to guys who used them in Afghanistan, the only gripe was lousy magazines, but otherwise I didn't hear any reports of them not working.
Up to a couple years ago Australia still issued them, but I'm not sure what they're issuing now.
There's talk of replacing the Inglis with a polymer frame pistol, but as fast as the Armed Forces gets anything procurement wise accomplished, everyone else will have phazers before they get it all done.
I already have a craptastic plastic pistol, but these intrigue me, as it's damned near a carbon copy of the old Mk II I had back in the 1990s. It was one helluva shooter, I flat-wore that thing out. Yeah, I wanna recreate those "good old days" and there's not a danged thing wrong with that (and I shoot them a lot better than the craptastic plastic, too). I also dote on 1911s and revolvers, how about that?
Yup and totally functional. It is however a couple hundred bucks more expensive than the typical tupperware POS, and doesn't have the 9lb trigger that police departments require to keep their knuckledraggers from shooting themselves and each other, so it will never be a big seller in that market.
Hawkeye; Good evening to you sir, I hope the day's been decent to you and you're well.
As far as I'm aware the Canadian Armed Forces is still issuing Inglis made HP to everyone but some of the door kickers. I want to say JTF2 use something else, perhaps a Sig of some sort?
Talking to guys who used them in Afghanistan, the only gripe was lousy magazines, but otherwise I didn't hear any reports of them not working.
Up to a couple years ago Australia still issued them, but I'm not sure what they're issuing now.
There's talk of replacing the Inglis with a polymer frame pistol, but as fast as the Armed Forces gets anything procurement wise accomplished, everyone else will have phazers before they get it all done.
Your point is clarified- further investigation reveals that Girsan is making their own version of the Hi Power, but the Springfield version is made in Geneseo, IL.
Not yanking anyone's chain; I'm genuinely curious. What is it about THIS gun that renders it "obsolete" ?
Know I used that term, so, my opinion.
Technology has moved on. The "craptastic" pistols work very well. Are durable, reliable, corrosion resistant, lighter, cheaper to make/buy, simpler manual of arms.
Gotta laugh when cheaper is treated as bad. Cheaper is always better if performance is not impaired. Guns are expensive. Issuing agencies buy a bunch. It adds up.
Think of muscle cars. The High Power is kinda like them. Desirable for form and nostalgia.
Obsolete?
As in junk? Hell no!
As in not very many people that love them would choose them as daily drivers over much distance. Nor for bad winter driving. Or for cross country trips in August. Some might. Most just enjoy the style, the nostalgia, The sound, the old school performance. Some, enjoy the wrenching they require.
But comparing a 67 Camaro to a 2021 Camaro, You gotta admit "We've come a long way Baby".
I already have a craptastic plastic pistol, but these intrigue me, as it's damned near a carbon copy of the old Mk II I had back in the 1990s. It was one helluva shooter, I flat-wore that thing out. Yeah, I wanna recreate those "good old days" and there's not a danged thing wrong with that (and I shoot them a lot better than the craptastic plastic, too). I also dote on 1911s and revolvers, how about that?
The thing about a good HP and for that matter the 1911 is that, if you have to get in a gunfight with a handgun, there is really nothing better. They are not the cheapest. They are not the lightest to carry. They are not the most rustproof (although you can FNC or shake-n-bake either reasonably cheaply). They do not have the simplest controls. But they are the best at the one thing they were designed to do. The ergonomics are great. The triggers are great. You can get hits more reliably and faster with them than with anything else that doesn't have a compensator. That's why they remain relevant.
The thing about a good HP and for that matter the 1911 is that, if you have to get in a gunfight with a handgun, there is really nothing better. They are not the cheapest. They are not the lightest to carry. They are not the most rustproof (although you can FNC or shake-n-bake either reasonably cheaply). They do not have the simplest controls. But they are the best at the one thing they were designed to do. The ergonomics are great. The triggers are great. You can get hits more reliably and faster with them than with anything else that doesn't have a compensator. That's why they remain relevant.
As in not very many people that love them would choose them as daily drivers over much distance. Nor for bad winter driving. Or for cross country trips in August. Some might. Most just enjoy the style, the nostalgia, The sound, the old school performance. Some, enjoy the wrenching they require.
An epic load of horse [bleep]. I just can't figure if you're serious.
The thing about a good HP and for that matter the 1911 is that, if you have to get in a gunfight with a handgun, there is really nothing better. They are not the cheapest. They are not the lightest to carry. They are not the most rustproof (although you can FNC or shake-n-bake either reasonably cheaply). They do not have the simplest controls. But they are the best at the one thing they were designed to do. The ergonomics are great. The triggers are great. You can get hits more reliably and faster with them than with anything else that doesn't have a compensator. That's why they remain relevant.
Not nonsense. Fact. From a guy who can run his Glock with pretty much anybody, the G17 hits where I look because I have put many thousands of rounds of live ammo and more dry fire practice into making it do that. The 1911 and BHP hit where I look after MUCH less familiarization. They simply fit me, whereas the Glock works great, lasts ungodly well, and is accurate, but took a lot of practice to make it instinctive for me. There are many others who would tell you the same.
John Moses Browning knew how to make a gun fit the hand. Knew putting the bore axis low in the hand was important. Some modern makers could pay more attention to such things.
Some of you guys could start an argument about pie and ice cream....
I’m not a Hi Power “fan”. At $1000-$1200, they just don’t do it for me, personally. I’ve owned several CZ75’s, and back when you could pick one up for less than $400, they were a helluva deal. Most I see now are pushing $600 or more. I still like ‘em, but not a “deal”, for a gun finished in black paint.
This new Hi Power, at a price point of $600-$650, looks like a “deal”. Forged frame/slide. Great fit/finish. Walnut grips.
It’s good to see a NEW, good quality, all steel, classic pistol on the market, at a good price. Would I buy one for EDC??? No.
Would I buy one to play with on the range?? Hell, yes.
I look forward to a $750 “Capitan” model, with a 500-yard ladder sight, because, “Why the hell not???”.
Dillonbuck, Thanks for the reply. I see your points. I think that for me however this SA-35 checks an awful lot of boxes and I plan to get one. It's larger and heavier than some, yes. But slimmer than many ( including the CZ75). I'm a fairly large guy and I'm not concerned about the extra weight. Recently bought a couple of stout Hank's belts, very happy about that. Currently carry a full sized 1911. Difference in price between this gun and a subcompact polymer 9 is not significant enough to make a difference for me as I'm not buying a truckload of them just the one. Anyway lots of options to enjoy, no fun owning only one!
They are cool. Well done, super cool. And they will do everything they always have. I'd darn sure enjoy playing with one, if it didn't bite. And thankfully there isn't any law (yet) that we all have to use the same tools.
As for price, that's retail. Plastic guns have a tremendous margin. In competitive bidding, if you can believe rumors, they are sold for a fraction of the price we would pay.
I want one, and I will tell you, a stock BHP trigger is anything BUT "good", BUT, you can MAKE it good without too much work. If I find one of these at a good price, I'll grab it as a companion to my Browning GP Comp, which, with old Navidrex checkered grips with palm swells and a C&S safety, points and shoots like a magic wand. Some people that grew up around them really came to love the way one felt. I even liked the Pachmayr grips that came on the Practical models back in the 90's.
Ok, for those of you with experience with Browning High Power pistols. How do they function with hollow point defensive type ammo. I have been told and have read that BHP will only work 100% reliable with hardball ammo or hollow points with very small openings. Is this true or not for all BHP or just the older models?
Ok, for those of you with experience with Browning High Power pistols. How do they function with hollow point defensive type ammo. I have been told and have read that BHP will only work 100% reliable with hardball ammo or hollow points with very small openings. Is this true or not for all BHP or just the older models?
I'm about the 3,345,567th greatest living expert on Hi Powers but IIRC the feed ramp angle or shape was changed sometime in the late 70's or 80's to provide better reliability with the hollow point ammo that was just becoming more widespread.
Those of you ranked 1,000,000th highest expert or above feel free to expound on this.
The 'hump' was removed from the feed ramp with the advent of the Mk II in 1982. However, prior to Mec-Gar the magazines held the round at a flatter angle for hardball. In my experience simply switching to Mec-Gar mags solved any problems and the humped barrel ran just fine.
The 'hump' was removed from the feed ramp with the advent of the Mk II in 1982. However, prior to Mec-Gar the magazines held the round at a flatter angle for hardball. In my experience simply switching to Mec-Gar mags solved any problems and the humped barrel ran just fine.
This ^^^
The old ones (humped ramp) were sometimes picky with OAL loading the old (first design) Gold dots.
As far as +P 9mm in older BHP models. Just don't shoot a $h!t load of it.