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I'm wondering what he is saying about this.

Russia wants those countries for themselves but those countries are wanting to free themselves from Marxism and democratize.
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Originally Posted by Malcolm
I'm wondering what he is saying about this.

Russia wants those countries for themselves but those countries are wanting to free themselves from Marxism and democratize.

You reckon Ukraine is less corrupt than Russia? I pray to the Lord we stay out of it.
Originally Posted by Hastings
Originally Posted by Malcolm
I'm wondering what he is saying about this.

Russia wants those countries for themselves but those countries are wanting to free themselves from Marxism and democratize.

You reckon Ukraine is less corrupt than Russia? I pray to the Lord we stay out of it.



Especially with the "Commander in Queef" we have in office now.
You do know that the US’ influence has manipulated Ukraine’s election outcomes don’t you?

If the US got involved it wouldn’t be to free the Ukrainian people from the tyrant to the east but to ensure they were shackled to one in the west.

This has been our MO since Wilsonianism gained prominence, with the exception of the Coolidge & Trump administrations.

Can’t speak for the Pres but I believe Trump would say our business is keeping our affairs in order on the home front first and there is a lot to be done here before we presume to manage the affairs of others.
We wouldn't be in this situation if they hadn't stolen the election. Kazakhstan is most probably a far more pressing problem than Ukraine is at present but they're both a product of the Biden Administration and it's insane foreign policies.
Originally Posted by efw
You do know that the US’ influence has manipulated Ukraine’s election outcomes don’t you?

If the US got involved it wouldn’t be to free the Ukrainian people from the tyrant to the east but to ensure they were shackled to one in the west.

This has been our MO since Wilsonianism gained prominence, with the exception of the Coolidge & Trump administrations.

Can’t speak for the Pres but I believe Trump would say our business is keeping our affairs in order on the home front first and there is a lot to be done here before we presume to manage the affairs of others.

AMEN
ukraine doesnt want the US or NATO anyway. The price is too high. Look at the decades long trail of destroyed and fragmented countries we were supposed to have rescued. All we do is create chaos and pump resources out of them as fast as we can. A russian takeover gets them same standard of living.
Originally Posted by 158XTP
ukraine doesnt want the US or NATO anyway. The price is too high. Look at the decades long trail of destroyed and fragmented countries we were supposed to have rescued. All we do is create chaos and pump resources out of them as fast as we can. A russian takeover gets them same standard of living.



I thought you were in Oz?
Originally Posted by BillyGoatGruff
Originally Posted by 158XTP
ukraine doesnt want the US or NATO anyway. The price is too high. Look at the decades long trail of destroyed and fragmented countries we were supposed to have rescued. All we do is create chaos and pump resources out of them as fast as we can. A russian takeover gets them same standard of living.



I thought you were in Oz?


If so that’s a mighty ominous “we”
Originally Posted by efw
Originally Posted by BillyGoatGruff
Originally Posted by 158XTP
ukraine doesnt want the US or NATO anyway. The price is too high. Look at the decades long trail of destroyed and fragmented countries we were supposed to have rescued. All we do is create chaos and pump resources out of them as fast as we can. A russian takeover gets them same standard of living.



I thought you were in Oz?


If so that’s a mighty ominous “we”


I’ve called him in it before. I loathe reading post by foreigners concerning domestic policy and our politics
Originally Posted by BillyGoatGruff
Originally Posted by 158XTP
ukraine doesnt want the US or NATO anyway. The price is too high. Look at the decades long trail of destroyed and fragmented countries we were supposed to have rescued. All we do is create chaos and pump resources out of them as fast as we can. A russian takeover gets them same standard of living.



I thought you were in Oz?


'Óz'contributes in NATO míssions and supported the US in most of the bungled invasions since Korea. I was part of the last one personally, the one 4 presidents bungled, ending up leaving the bad guys in charge with a bunch of cool toys.
Originally Posted by BillyGoatGruff
Originally Posted by efw
Originally Posted by BillyGoatGruff
Originally Posted by 158XTP
ukraine doesnt want the US or NATO anyway. The price is too high. Look at the decades long trail of destroyed and fragmented countries we were supposed to have rescued. All we do is create chaos and pump resources out of them as fast as we can. A russian takeover gets them same standard of living.



I thought you were in Oz?


If so that’s a mighty ominous “we”


I’ve called him in it before. I loathe reading post by foreigners concerning domestic policy and our politics



Our politics does affect the rest of the world in many cases.
Originally Posted by Houston_2
Originally Posted by BillyGoatGruff
Originally Posted by efw
Originally Posted by BillyGoatGruff
Originally Posted by 158XTP
ukraine doesnt want the US or NATO anyway. The price is too high. Look at the decades long trail of destroyed and fragmented countries we were supposed to have rescued. All we do is create chaos and pump resources out of them as fast as we can. A russian takeover gets them same standard of living.



I thought you were in Oz?


If so that’s a mighty ominous “we”


I’ve called him in it before. I loathe reading post by foreigners concerning domestic policy and our politics



Our politics does affect the rest of the world in many cases.


I’m not contesting that. But posters that live in a prison colony opining on our elected officials etc should find other topics.
Originally Posted by 158XTP
Originally Posted by BillyGoatGruff
Originally Posted by 158XTP
ukraine doesnt want the US or NATO anyway. The price is too high. Look at the decades long trail of destroyed and fragmented countries we were supposed to have rescued. All we do is create chaos and pump resources out of them as fast as we can. A russian takeover gets them same standard of living.



I thought you were in Oz?


'Óz'contributes in NATO míssions and supported the US in most of the bungled invasions since Korea. I was part of the last one personally, the one 4 presidents bungled, ending up leaving the bad guys in charge with a bunch of cool toys.



Congratulations
Originally Posted by BillyGoatGruff
Originally Posted by Houston_2
Originally Posted by BillyGoatGruff
Originally Posted by efw
Originally Posted by BillyGoatGruff
Originally Posted by 158XTP
ukraine doesnt want the US or NATO anyway. The price is too high. Look at the decades long trail of destroyed and fragmented countries we were supposed to have rescued. All we do is create chaos and pump resources out of them as fast as we can. A russian takeover gets them same standard of living.



I thought you were in Oz?


If so that’s a mighty ominous “we”


I’ve called him in it before. I loathe reading post by foreigners concerning domestic policy and our politics



Our politics does affect the rest of the world in many cases.


I’m not contesting that. But posters that live in a prison colony opining on our elected officials etc should find other topics.



I believe Oz has been our ally for many long years now.
Whar bees Ucrane??
"Ukraine" and its current boundaries are a product of the old USSR, not some traditional centuries old "country". The eastern third of "Ukraine" is mostly ethnic Russian, and has been for a long time. If a legal, honest vote were taken today the people of that region would join Russia.
Send Lt Col Vindman over there
Originally Posted by Sharpsman
Whar bees Ucrane??
It might be surprising how few in the USA have any idea where Ukraine is. I once asked a former junior high school world geography teacher if she could tell me where the Balkans versus the Baltics were. She had no idea where either was. Imagine if someone asked the average American where Diego Garcia is. They wouldn't know what part of the ocean it is in.
Originally Posted by slumlord
Send Lt Col Vindman over there
Isn't he originally a Ukraine native? Also Jewish I think?
Originally Posted by Hastings
Originally Posted by Sharpsman
Whar bees Ucrane??
It might be surprising how few in the USA have any idea where Ukraine is. I once asked a former junior high school world geography teacher if she could tell me where the Balkans versus the Baltics were. She had no idea where either was. Imagine if someone asked the average American where Diego Garcia is. They wouldn't know what part of the ocean it is in.


Diego Garcia makes cigars... everboty knos dat.
Originally Posted by Hastings
Originally Posted by Sharpsman
Whar bees Ucrane??
It might be surprising how few in the USA have any idea where Ukraine is. I once asked a former junior high school world geography teacher if she could tell me where the Balkans versus the Baltics were. She had no idea where either was. Imagine if someone asked the average American where Diego Garcia is. They wouldn't know what part of the ocean it is in.



I think he was aiming at a word play there…

“I am Diego Garcia. You killed my father. Prepare to die”
LOL!
According to Candice Owens, Trump is old and doesn't use the internet, so he prolly doesn't even know what is happening over there.
If Ukraine get invaded or blown up...it will be our fault.


Obama staged a coup in Ukraine to get rid of the pro Russian govt.

Obama and the oil men want to hemn in Russia with missiles along the Ukrainian border.


They wanted Russia to give up her only warm water port in the Black sea.


So, Russia did what Russia does. Create buffer spaces in the Crimea and the Donetts Basin.


Its not about freedom or democracy or Marxism or any of that shìt.

It's about money and hydrocarbons.

Same reason we nearly went to war in Syria.


It's a pipeline war.


I don't know what he thinks but oil and oil companies stock prices are really taking off which makes me wonder if the markets think he's going to invade.
Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad
If Ukraine get invaded or blown up...it will be our fault.


Obama staged a coup in Ukraine to get rid of the pro Russian govt.

Obama and the oil men want to hemn in Russia with missiles along the Ukrainian border.


They wanted Russia to give up her only warm water port in the Black sea.


So, Russia did what Russia does. Create buffer spaces in the Crimea and the Donetts Basin.


Its not about freedom or democracy or Marxism or any of that shìt.

It's about money and hydrocarbons.

Same reason we nearly went to war in Syria.


It's a pipeline war.




Give this man a big phuukkin cookie
The only reason that Russia is thinking about invading Ukraine is because we are messing around there. I grew up in the Cold War - mutually assured destruction and all. And I would say that the erosion of good faith since that time is almost 100% on the US and NATO. We continued to move the alliance east. Why unless we still wanted to treat Russia as an enemy? What strategic interest do we have in Ukraine and if we have one is it even defensible? Imagine Russia messing in Mexico or Canada - except this is even worse. Consider the Cuban Missile Crisis and how we are sticking our nose where it shouldn’t be. Ukraine is unquestionably in Russia’s sphere of influence and is strategically indisposable to them.

I think Putin is probably a lot better man than Biden and is smarter than our last four presidents combined. Our real rival is China and Russia could be helpful in that regard if we stopped poking that bear. This is our fault and we shouldn’t risk one American life for Ukraine.
Here’s another one - do you think we were on the right side in Yugoslavia? I’m not sure. Supposedly we took on war criminals. Or was that just the spin? From what I understand we sided with Muslims over Christians in Europe. Or maybe they weren’t that “Christian” or maybe they lost the battle of public relations because they aligned with Russia.

Here’s something - look at Macron in France and Merkel in Germany. They are destroying their countries with uncontrolled Muslim immigration. Their covid measures are draconian. They make our liberals look conservative. If you stand back and look at it, are they better allies than Russia?
Originally Posted by Malcolm
I'm wondering what he is saying about this.

Russia wants those countries for themselves but those countries are wanting to free themselves from Marxism and democratize.


Who gives a phuuck?
Originally Posted by Jackson_Handy
Originally Posted by Malcolm
I'm wondering what he is saying about this.

Russia wants those countries for themselves but those countries are wanting to free themselves from Marxism and democratize.


Who gives a phuuck?


Yep. Why in the hell would we even consider sticking our nose in there? What is it to us?
We need to be on good terms with Russia. We have common interests and common adversaries.

On a personal note 4% of my IRA is in Russian stock.
Originally Posted by Hastings
We need to be on good terms with Russia. We have common interests and common adversaries.

On a personal note 4% of my IRA is in Russian stock.


There are many areas we could find common ground.
Originally Posted by Malcolm
I'm wondering what he is saying about this.

Russia wants those countries for themselves but those countries are wanting to free themselves from Marxism and democratize.


Russia isn't a marxist country and Ukraine is much more corrupt than Russia. You sound like an uneducated democrat moron.
Originally Posted by efw
Originally Posted by Hastings
Originally Posted by Sharpsman
Whar bees Ucrane??
It might be surprising how few in the USA have any idea where Ukraine is. I once asked a former junior high school world geography teacher if she could tell me where the Balkans versus the Baltics were. She had no idea where either was. Imagine if someone asked the average American where Diego Garcia is. They wouldn't know what part of the ocean it is in.



I think he was aiming at a word play there…

“I am Diego Garcia. You killed my father. Prepare to die”


It's way past Carmen San Diego!
Originally Posted by slumlord
Send Lt Col Vindman over there


he and his twin are both soviet Jews and have no allegiance to any country in the FSU or the US. amazing they both were given ts clearances but they give those out to hundreds of Chinese spies every year since Clinton

Russia is there because of a gas pipeline to Europe via the Ukraine ( Europe and Biden love this) and control of ports in the black sea.

The US has zero strategic interest in this. zero
Wonder what the US would think if Russia wanted to enter a military pact with Mexico, and put missiles there?? Think that would go over well??

(I see this has been mentioned, earlier)...
Originally Posted by Malcolm
I'm wondering what he is saying about this.

Russia wants those countries for themselves but those countries are wanting to free themselves from Marxism and democratize.

Russians cannot help but be on the border of Ukraine. Also, you sound like you're stuck in 1950. The US is several times more Marxist than modern day Russia.
Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad
If Ukraine get invaded or blown up...it will be our fault.


Obama staged a coup in Ukraine to get rid of the pro Russian govt.

Obama and the oil men want to hemn in Russia with missiles along the Ukrainian border.


They wanted Russia to give up her only warm water port in the Black sea.


So, Russia did what Russia does. Create buffer spaces in the Crimea and the Donetts Basin.


Its not about freedom or democracy or Marxism or any of that shìt.

It's about money and hydrocarbons.

Same reason we nearly went to war in Syria.


It's a pipeline war.


You'll never make it in politics. Speaking the truth is not how the game is played.
Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
Originally Posted by Malcolm
I'm wondering what he is saying about this.

Russia wants those countries for themselves but those countries are wanting to free themselves from Marxism and democratize.

Russian cannot help but be on the border of Ukraine. Also, you sound like you're stuck in 1950. The US is several times more Marxist than modern day Russia.

Gonna agree with TRH on this one. Russia has been there and learned their lesson. We on the other hand have half our population wanting to give it a shot. I remember Putin warning Trump about going Socialist. Dont do it.
Originally Posted by SAcharlie
You'll never make it in politics. Speaking the truth is not how the game is played.


LOL No schit you commie marxist

Go back to DU
I think Putin and his goof ball generals are going to back off , just like they did in 62' ; the troop deployment spy plane photographs even look familiar.

If the Ukraine and Georgia wants to join NATO how why should Russia be able to tell them they may not. Would you like some looser commie outfit telling you what you can and cannot do?

Hitler invaded the Sudetenland and Chamberlain came home with the big peace talk papers with no more concessions , How is this any different.

Any one who thinks Russia is their ally or that we "need them" is the ally of Marxist communism . China and Russia can both take a Marxist hike and the sides will be on the ones they should be.




Originally Posted by BillyGoatGruff
Originally Posted by Houston_2
Originally Posted by BillyGoatGruff
Originally Posted by efw
Originally Posted by BillyGoatGruff
Originally Posted by 158XTP
ukraine doesnt want the US or NATO anyway. The price is too high. Look at the decades long trail of destroyed and fragmented countries we were supposed to have rescued. All we do is create chaos and pump resources out of them as fast as we can. A russian takeover gets them same standard of living.



I thought you were in Oz?


If so that’s a mighty ominous “we”


I’ve called him in it before. I loathe reading post by foreigners concerning domestic policy and our politics



Our politics does affect the rest of the world in many cases.


I’m not contesting that. But posters that live in a prison colony opining on our elected officials etc should find other topics.


Were all in the same prison now friend. And the issue isnt elected officials, its the fact non-elected officials shut down every national constitution including yours in about 48 hours.
Yurrup is lost, sooner or later. If not the Russians, then by the French and Germans who are already working on an EU military, supposedly to project EU Power and influence in the world, but probably to subdue those pesky member countries that think they should have a say in their own affairs. It’s already being called The Fourth Reich. Strangely enough, Germany has already abandoned the pledge they made during the Trump Presidency to spend 2% of their GDP on defense, an odd posture unless they plan to continue to rely on the U.S. for protection from Russia while oppressing other EU countries with their new EU forces. (A while back I read that Germany can’t even muster a full fighter squadron, pretty fuggin’ pitiful for the richest country on the continent)

If Russia attacks the Ukraine and we get involved, China will likely invade Taiwan, knowing we probably can’t or won’t interfere. I think we should focus on the Pacific, where we have pretty reliable allies in the Australians, S. Korea, Japan, and possibly India.

With Biden as President, we’re pretty much f*cked if anything serious occurs.
Originally Posted by 158XTP
We're all in the same prison now friend. And the issue isn't elected officials, its the fact non-elected officials shut down every national constitution including yours in about 48 hours.
Right
Brandon knows that they’re just all gonna drive to Odessa and have a party!!
Is that a planet near Uranus?
Originally Posted by Malcolm
I think Putin and his goof ball generals are going to back off , just like they did in 62' ; the troop deployment spy plane photographs even look familiar.

If the Ukraine and Georgia wants to join NATO how why should Russia be able to tell them they may not. Would you like some looser commie outfit telling you what you can and cannot do?

Hitler invaded the Sudetenland and Chamberlain came home with the big peace talk papers with no more concessions , How is this any different.

Any one who thinks Russia is their ally or that we "need them" is the ally of Marxist communism . China and Russia can both take a Marxist hike and the sides will be on the ones they should be.






Third paragraph from bottom last sentence!

What the hell you think we’re putting up with at present time???
Originally Posted by Slope77
The only reason that Russia is thinking about invading Ukraine is because we are messing around there. I grew up in the Cold War - mutually assured destruction and all. And I would say that the erosion of good faith since that time is almost 100% on the US and NATO. We continued to move the alliance east. Why unless we still wanted to treat Russia as an enemy? What strategic interest do we have in Ukraine and if we have one is it even defensible? Imagine Russia messing in Mexico or Canada - except this is even worse. Consider the Cuban Missile Crisis and how we are sticking our nose where it shouldn’t be. Ukraine is unquestionably in Russia’s sphere of influence and is strategically indisposable to them.

I think Putin is probably a lot better man than Biden and is smarter than our last four presidents combined. Our real rival is China and Russia could be helpful in that regard if we stopped poking that bear. This is our fault and we shouldn’t risk one American life for Ukraine.
Letting the former independent eastern European countries like Hungary, Poland, etc., into NATO was a good idea, since they were historically independent. I can even go with the 3 Baltic states. Enticing any of the former SSRs was a big mistake, though.
Originally Posted by nathanial
Is that a planet near Uranus?



Look it up!!
It's not foreign governments that the American people need to be concerned with.
Originally Posted by Bristoe
It's not foreign governments that the American people need to be concerned with.

Bingo!
Originally Posted by Morewood
Originally Posted by SAcharlie
You'll never make it in politics. Speaking the truth is not how the game is played.


LOL No schit you commie marxist

Go back to DU






Ask the dumbass commie enabler if he's got any pictures of his dog, guns, fish he caught, deer he killed, kids, property, cars, trucks.


Wheel that weasel to a dock. I'll push him off.

Lol.
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