Nothing, I mean nothing makes the Injuns happy. They are against everything. Except casinos. Ormat Intl. wants to expand the geothermal generating capacity at a currently operating gen plant in Dixie Valley NV, the Injuns say, nope it's ceremonial area and it has a rare toad living in the marshes. Going to the 9th Circuit soon. Injuns are against the dams on the Klamath River in operation for over 100 years, sustaining a wild salmon run, nope, heap bad for salmon, dams gotta go. Is anything cleaner than geo or hydro? We've already had some harsh lessons relying on solar and wind during adverse weather events...don't they need reliable power at the casino?

To some of them, the entire US is 'sacred ground'. Their pagan religions worship nature, not God, so anything and everything is considered sacred.

Hey Miclin?

Where's da whiskey?

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Holy schidt yes, did you see the videos of the mess the 'protectors of mother earth' left there? Looked worse than Haiti on a bad day.

Whatever you think of native Americans and what political sides you choose, you may want to rethink that type of name calling.

But they love the environment. Bull crap. Ours up here in N d kill every living thing on the Rez and anywhere else they can. Edk

And it is only going to get worse with the current Sec'y Of Interior, Deb Haaland. Her bio is alarming to say the least.

I’ll second the warning, you POS.

Kinda like when our troops were in Iraq/Afghanistan: every time a soldier kicked a rock it was a 'holy site' that had been disturbed and the locals beat their chests and fired off AK's into the sky when the camera's were filming.

It seems to take some skill and serious thought for folks to understand fundamental differences among ethnic and racial values and behaviors - and the effects of those across time.

Since the beginning of recorded time, there is not much new with regard to clash of cultures and "social" values.

In this country, most such factors did not become manifest until the 1600s or so. Which folks have learned the most about how to accommodate and take advantage of the cultural differences?

What is worthy of respect in this regard?

shouda fought harder....

Give the Chief a can of hair spray to drink.

He'll sign anything.

Even Geronimo couldn't slip through the hills and mountains when the U.S. Army started using heliographs to pinpoint their location. Stone age tribes never had a chance.

They are just looking for a pay off. Getting press is also good for the bank account.

Look, sorry Indians, but you lost. Accept your loss so we don't have to bow up and finish your sorry, loser asses off. Yes, life may kinda suck for you. Next time, don't lose...

(of course, the REAL reality is that when you lose to AMERICA, you actually win, so there IS that...)

For a second, I thought I stumbled across one of my old posts when I read your response, Jorge.

I have absolutely no idea what you said here ^^^^ are you perchance a college professor?

Like the gal told a politician. Now your just using big words to try and sound smart.LOL. Edk

Endangered toad? That’s all she wrote; the Injuns don’t got nothing to worry about. Here in San Antonio a single 4mm long transparent cave spider derailed a $50,000,000 highway overpass project, existing less-safe alternative be damned.

Shoulda fought harder?

More’n anything it was de-facto biological warfare that wiped out the first 90%. Even so the White man never got across the Appalachians in more’n a Century until there was a huge disparity in numbers. After that things went exponential pretty quick, the Appalachians to the Pacific in a single human lifetime.

Man for man you could argue the Indians were better fighters, being raised from childhood into the life, certainly extraordinary feats of hardiness and endurance were a norm.

As for the language here, I dunno how many using it would say it face to face.

Pretty shameful.

Man for man you could argue no such thing

The idea of the noble savage, whether in It’s original form, or transformed to fit modern beta bullshidt arguments is just that. Bullshidt.

Yeah, they’re ALL about the environment.

but only when there’s a buck to be made.

Ever visited Pine Ridge?

It sometimes seems like the chest beaters and teeth gnashers think this country would have gone unexplored, unsettled, and undeveloped had the white man not set foot on this land. Perhaps they would have gotten a better deal with the Chinese or Japanese. Maybe the Russians would have treated them better. This country would have been settled by someone.

It is all worthy of respect, or at least recognition. None of that means that one ethnicity won't dominate. That is an inevitability that descends from the human condition and as such it is right and good.

Kai Murros put it as well as I have ever read:

LOL, I hear ya, but it sounded really good!!

Pay up mòtherfùcker!

Hahahaha!


You poor white cùnts.

And yet the fear and dread inspired by relative handfuls of Indians were able to stall or reverse the Frontier over hundreds of miles, to the point where it was generally understood it usually took an Indian to track down an Indian.

Likewise they were renowned for their skill with weapons to the point that the longest hits ever recorded with longrifles ( for whom the weapon was likely originally designed) were made by Indians.

How many White guys caught mustangs by running them down on foot or went out with edged weapons to picks fights with grizzlys?



Untwist thy knickers, who said anything about “noble savages” ?

Settle down there Injun Joe........

It's Injun Jim...thanks.

Ask the Aleuts here in Alaska about Russian settlement- or the Chukchis, etc. over in Siberia

Lolol. Ah yes, the scary Indian. Surely no “white man” put any fear into the tribes? Surely that was never documented?

Every swinging Richard who went west took it in stride. And they brought their families to boot. You “White guys” had been taming horses for centuries before they got turned loose here. I’m sure it was done incorrectly by white puzzies before the red man showed them how to do it right?

There’s nothing special about the Indians. They there folks doing what it took to survive till they came in contact with a more advanced bunch of folks

And to sell short the pioneers like you have is borderline criminal.

But then again, you thing African immigrants are crime free and here to boost the American dream for all.

I will trade you beads and a nice blanket for a pair of seal skin boots Mr Jim.

Thank you..... They have their defaults for sure, but they do have reasoning behind them.

Native Americans, as well as all of us European (and other) immigants -are watching out ,solely, for our own "tribes".

Seems to me, the "natives" lost the battles, but are winning the war - a tactics vs. strategy kind of thing. JMHO.

Supposedly my mothers great uncle George Conrad was commander of B Co, 2nd Calif Volunteer Cavalry at Dun Glen Nevada in 1866-7. A well experienced Indian fighter. He is supposed to have stated to a Humboldt Register news reporter, "We didn't defeat the Paiutes, the iron cooking kettle and the wool blanket was their Achilles heel." I guess meaning that the trade goods soon became necessities once the Indians became accustomed to them.

Of course it was, with good reason, heck a single contaminated Euro could wipe out most of the tribe. Other than that, there was a common knowledge the Whites like rising flood waters and the futility of fighting.

Fear of Whites drove massive tribal migrations and sparked the Iroquois for one to fraudulently sell Kentucky from under the feet of the Shawnee.

Ultimately, fear of Whites led most every tribe to agree to a reservation.



Um, no. A tiny fraction of the population did, many paid for that gamble with their lives. A state of constant war was NOT the normal situation most places. When war did break out most settlers retreated from the areas of danger as best they were able.

There were a few Frontier superstars, the Boones and Kentons and their ilke, a tiny proportion of the whole population.

Here in Texas, by the 1870’s, there were around 800,000 settled in Texas, or about 160,000 men and youths of fighting age, most of whom were armed.

Meanwhile, at that same time, the rapidly dwindling Comanches and Kiowas might be able to assemble at best, 4,000 men and youths. How many Texans do you think ventured out into Comancheria? If there were as many as 200 of those 160,000 armed Texans out on the Plainsat any one time looking to pick fights with Indians that was a lot.

Like everywhere else, the country here settled up only after the threat of Indians was gone. Meanwhile, in the decades prior, small parties of Pawnees, Omaha’s, Waco’s, Caddos and Karankawas had been venturing out into Comancheria ON FOOT at a pre-Cholera time while the Comanches were still in their prime, and returning with Comanche scalps and horses.

How many White guys pulled that off?



You drinking tonight? Breaking horses weren’t the issue, running horses down on foot was.



Like the longrifle, the Indians adopted Euro technology early on. Heck, about the time the Cherokees came up with their own written syllabary, one of their Chiefs, Crazy James Vann, was one of the wealthiest men in America.

The Indians were swept by a more NUMEROUS bunch of folks who were breeding at a rate comparable to modern-day Kenyans.

Actually, the tipping factor was likely massive Indian losses in epidemics. India is still predominantly Indian, China still predominantly Chinese, Africa still predominantly African. White people settled there too but the natives didn’t go extinct on contact.



No, I merely stated fact, the Frontier everywhere retreated dramatically in the face of Indian wars, permanent settlement for the most part occurred after the Indian threat was gone. I pointed out that the Indians, man for man, were probably better warriors than the average Euro, having been raised to the life, and gave examples.

Moving to a hostile Indian Frontier back then was like moving to Northern Mexico today, most rational people didn’t care to.



Educated professional, legal African immigrants are among our most successful immigrant groups, at a rate comparable to educated professional East Indians. Once again this is merely fact.

In a few years the Mexicans running the US will be saying the same to you and me.

Your claim that you "have absolutely no idea" seems honest. If true, that would amplify and reinforce my first statement. It seems no sin to be ignorant, but it can be quite wasteful to remain so when given the opportunity to learn. The middle of the post addresses such. An answer to the final questions may be difficult for one without benefit of learning and thought. Some posting here have revealed thought rather than epithets.

Yes, for some time I was a professor - but mainly in a performance field far distant from cultural studies. The Socratic approach has been my friend.

I am hesitant to even read this thread - much more taking part in it! I know quite a few native Americans, and I agree they live up to most of the derogatory comments and descriptions and I am as guilty as the rest of the people making fun of them and looking down on them.
But I also know quite a few real decent Indians. I realize the majority of them are alcoholics in the worst way and lazy..
If you read some history of the Lakota Sioux , the Crows and the Cheyennes, you will learn how their lives were interrupted and changed completely by the US Govt. (kinda like what's happening to- day). The Indians were given pieces of land guaranteed by signed US Treaties.
All of them were broken by the US Govt. and they were rounded up and put on reservations that kept getting smaller and smaller if the US Govt. decided we needed more land for us white folks.
I realize that the Indian people aren't like us, but we aren't a lot different.
I will say that I would trust even the drunkest low life Indian more that I would an equivalent black person.
The Native American people have a legitimate reason to feel cast aside compared to the black people. What have they been deprived of in comparison?
I had better quit now,
Ken

You better put your flame suit on Ken!


Haha!

You fight a Stone Age people with modern weaponry and unlimited resources, who is going to win. Any resistance is killed and anyone agreeing to reservation life becomes an instant welfare state.

Essentially you have killed the fighters and those that had any resistance to the impending culture conflict, leaving only the non aggressive pacifists that will settle for beads, beef and blankets rather than fight. Any leadership among the tribes was killed or rounded up and imprisoned leaving nothing but welfare recipients to occupy the reservations and produce the following generations of non productive left overs to continue the population.

100 years later what is left of the indigenous peoples can’t help but see how other worthless minorities have benefited from white guilt and they want some for themselves. Under the same circumstances all the white culture would go for the same handouts. As a matter of fact it is already happening in most of the major cities and it isn’t all done by blacks and Latinos.

Given the fact that White women are opting out of marriage and motherhood in droves, one could hardly blame them future Mexicans if they gloated..

Don't laugh Jim, you probably know some decent and like-able Indians -----admit it, the sober ones seem okay.

I don't own a flame suit by the way!!!

I am breeded up, lol, I know some good ones.

Yeah, I live in Indian country up here. Smack between two reservations.

Have some good Indian friends. Some brothers on the fire department.


I dont like the anti Indian talk very much.

Schit Ken...I have Indian blood in me. Known that since I was a little boy.

1/8th Blackfoot can I get a percentage of a few slot machines out of it?

American Civil War

WW1

WW2

Korean War

Vietnam War

,....and here we are.

Nope, we just need you white guys to keep coming in and putting money in the slots. Next question please.. Put a little more thought into the next one though. This one was too easy..

Yeah, some of them may shoot a lot better than he does. I know of 1 in particular..

I'm a tribal member. I belong to the Cherokee Nation.

Same here on all accounts, was called to a fire yesterday actually. to read this drivel posted by some makes me sick.

Disclaimer...I had no intention of casting any racial or ethnic slurs on Injuns by this thread. I do have a big beef with the political stances they take as a group, with the assistance of white lawyers. Nothing makes them happy. The local Rancheria had so much money, built so many new houses, they had to advertise and search genealogy charts to find enough people to live in them (mostly BIA's screwup not the Injuns). The state of the art Health Clinic / Dental care facility, does not have enough customers, so they are pulling patients from the general public, which is ok, but in a sparsely populated rural area it makes an already shaky healthcare system financially non viable. The Karuk Tribe owns the largest construction company in the county with preference on govt bidding, owns the largest ready mix plant, owns the largest forest silviculture/fire prevention service, owns the largest housing provider/management entity, building the largest gas station/truck stop in the county, has quietly purchased the largest car dealership, and of course the casino (actually I like that idea, let the gamblers fund the tribe)...on and on. Happy though? No, now playing footsie with Warren Buffet and his Pacific Power to remove the dams on the upper Klamath that have been in existence for over a hundred years and supported one of the last wild salmon runs on the Pacific side. What will happen to the Klamath and it's salmon runs...nobody knows. Never happy, never enough.

What is the difference between a buffalo and and Indian girl?


300 lbs. and a Casino Jaket.


Yes Very bad..........

Lots of truth in that last line. While genocide was never the policy of the U.S. government, those on the frontier subjected to Indian raids were all for it. It could have easily gone that direction. Likewise, every enslaved negro could have been shipped to Liberia or Africa sometime starting in 1866.

So note to aggrieved and offended minorities.....it could have been much worse.

Why can't we all just STFU and get on with life? Simple. It is to the advantage of the communists who want to destroy this country that we don't.

Back a few years ago in the local bar there was a discussion of the Indians and benefits. The barmaid said that she wishes she had a little Indian in her so she could get some freebies. Ole Joe who was about half native spoke up. Told her to follow him to the backseat of his car and he would take care of that for her. Got a good laugh from everybody. Edk

You’re Indian name will be “runs with tundrawookie”

You and Jim are cuzzins for sure..

Not me....probably Tim McGraw though.

No monument!

I'm pretty much use to the comments now, we grew up with whites talking down to us, we were taught how to deal with it. Mostly it was "keep your hands in your pockets and your mouth shut". Nobody wiped our azzes like they do today.
We were always ready to drop the gloves, even at my age I still am.

What we never were prepared for was other Natives calling us white lol, in my book, nobody gets a free pass on race alone, its your actions within your community is how you will be viewed, good or bad.

You are such a dipshit. How do you find your way home from the chicken coop?

Shït, I can’t even catch Covid no matter how hard I try. Thinking I should file to create a new tribe.

Thats harder than you might think.


Quicker to start a religious cult.

I’ll bring you in as a plank member.

Non-denominational type tribe is what I’m thinking.

I'm down.