It appears that drugs have permeated every facet of our society, including future warriors.Two of these cadets,who suffered injury,were trying to save the lives of their fellow cadets by administering CPR.
Police arrest one suspect in connection to fentanyl-laced cocaine overdose that hospitalized six West Point cadets on spring break in Florida: Three remain hospitalized with two on ventilators in critical condition while one is stable.
A suspect believed to be connected to the group of spring breakers who overdosed on cocaine laced with fentanyl was arrested in Florida, police confirmed to WSVN Friday night.
Police in Wilton Manors, a city located in the Miami-Fort Lauderdale metro area, did not release the suspect's name or indicate their connection to the six West Point cadets who were hospitalized Thursday after overdosing on the drug. At least two of the students were football players at the military academy, located in New York.
A seventh individual, only identified as a woman, was later taken to the hospital and treated, the Sun-Sentinel reported. It is unclear if she suffered an overdose or what condition she is in. It is also unknown if she attended West Point with the other patients.
As of late Friday, only three remained in the hospital, the TV station reported. Two were in critical condition and on ventilators. The other patient is said to be in stable condition.
Two of the cadets had not ingested the drugs but were overcome by the effects of fentanyl when they attempted to perform mouth-to-mouth resuscitation on their sickened friends, the Sun-Sentinel first reported on Friday. It is unknown where or how they obtained the drugs.
The students were staying in a short-term vacation rental home listed on VRBO for $360 per night. The 1,596-square-foot home features three bedrooms and two bathrooms, as well as a large backyard with a private pool, according to the listing, and is a 15-minute walk to the beach.
The home was vacated of the renters by Friday evening, according to reports. It remains unclear if the suspect was staying at the rental property with the spring breakers.
DailyMail.com reached to the U.S. Army Academy at West Point and was told by a representative that the prestigious military college was 'aware' of the incident in Florida involving its students.
'The U.S. Military Academy is aware of the situation involving West Point cadets, which occurred Thursday night in Wilton Manors, FL,' a West Point spokesperson said in an email. 'The incident is currently under investigation and no other details are available at this time.'
News helicopter video shows paramedics converging on the front yard of the short-term vacation rental home on NW 29th Court in Wilton Manors, where multiple people were found in cardiac arrest at 5 p.m. Thursday.
Footage from the scene shows first responders administering first aid and placing several individuals onto stretchers.
Fort Lauderdale Fire Department Battalion Chief Steve Gollan told Local10 that two of the people who overdosed were sickened because they tried to perform CPR on the initial four overdose victims. He said the opioid-overdose-reversing drug naloxone, which is sold under the brand name Narcan, was administered to revive the victims.
Neighbors described seeing the spring breakers being carried out of the rental home crowded with young vacationers.
'We saw paramedics pulling the kids out of the house, unconscious, just laying them on the grass,' Dana Fumosa, who lives a few doors down, told NBC6.
Neighborhood resident Cub Larkin, who also witnessed paramedics rescuing the students, said: 'We view our military at a much higher standard, and it was just completely heartbreaking.'
Four of the patients were taken to Broward Health Medical Center, and the remaining two were transported to Holy Cross Hospital.
'These are healthy young adults, college students in the prime of their life,' Gollan said. 'Getting this drug into their system, it’s unknown what the recovery will be on the critical individual.'
Fentanyl is an unpredictable and powerful synthetic painkiller blamed for driving an increase in fatal drug overdoses. It's 50 to 100 times stronger than morphine and used to treat severe pain, the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) says. It also slows a person’s breathing and heart rate.
Neighbors in Wilton Manors told the Sun-Sentinel that the West Point cadets had been staying at the rental property for several days, and that on Wednesday night police were called for an unspecified reason.
Two local residents said they have repeatedly complained to the managers of the vacation property about excessive noise and rowdy parties.
'We’ve been hearing over the last couple of days, loud music, gatherings,' Fumosa told WSVN. 'It was guys and girls over there. They seemed to be having a good time barbecuing, and they were in the pool.' It is unclear if she complained about the travelers.
I was once a West Point cadet - class of 1989. Believe me, illegal drugs were popular with a few cadets even back then.
Regarding the Honor Code - the honor code says nothing about not partaking in illicit drugs - it simply states "A cadet will not lie, cheat, or steal, nor tolerate those who do".
i knew a guy who OD'd on fentanyl laced coke. young guy, good hard working dude but liked to party. bought it from some unknown dude at a casino. had it not been for his fellow firefighters and a shot of narcan, he would have died. its not all junkies doing this schit. sometimes its just people who like to party too hardy. no judgement from me either way because i grew up kind of wild. glad i got that schit out of my system 40+ years ago. you can't do any illicit drugs anymore with this fentanyl schit everywhere. people who knowingly sell that schit need to spend a long stretch in the graybar hotel.
Had a distant nephew OD with some Fentanyl boosted concoction. While dead in his bedroom his roomies borrowed his credit card and went out for a night of partying. His mom's had an extremely hard time getting by since. Bad stuff.
Damn - Can't lie, cheat, steal, rape other cadets, and now may (may) be denied illicit drug use. That only leaves drinking, non-adultery consensual sex, killing, and blowing stuff up.
It's hardly any fun being a military person anymore..... (insert sarcasm emoji).
It's college boys doing some blow that they didn't know was laced with fentanyl, I don't think this is the end of the world. Cocaine and cadets is not exactly a new development.
you know that they are not junkies?....anyway junkies...cadets...pres son...etc...why should a shhitt be given...you want to fug around stuff can happen....bob
This fentanyl may be a self correcting problem.... these party hardy youngsters will wise up or die. Buy a keg of beer like we did when I was a youngster
Jeebus, can’t even do a little toot at the beach anymore without wondering if you got some schit that’s gonna put you to sleep for ever.
Stick to cold beer and maybe a little weed. You’ll have a better shot of surviving spring break.
Can’t even trust weed anymore. Locally they nab a few car loads a year laced with the fet. If you are doing ANY drugs these days you better be making them yourself. Otherwise play stupid games win stupid prizes.
Really sad. Six of America's finest do something stupid and ruin their careers before they even get started. Hope all of them survive. They will certainly get the boot from the Point.
Doesn't matter if they were junkies or not. If you take narcotics and kill yourself that's your fault. And cadets should be holding themselves to a higher standard.
Really sad. Six of America's finest do something stupid and ruin their careers before they even get started. Hope all of them survive. They will certainly get the boot from the Point.
Are you really "America's finest" If you are to stupid to make it thru spring break without narcotics?
They couldn't lead a party without this happening - I sure as hell don't want them leading my kid in combat. Decision making shills are shyt.
Just because they let you in, doesn't make you Patton.
Some people must live like mushrooms , just because somebody did some toot which in its normal makeup in reality is relatively harmless as long as you don’t get stupid about it don’t make them bad people . The bad people are the MFers that laced it . Either out of greed or pure evil . In today’s world we ain’t necessarily safe with anything we consume , or touch . Bunch of fugged up people out there Just some young kids that thought nobody would be that big of an azzhole to cut it with that shiet . People used to get killed buying bootlegged booze cause some prick was that damned greedy or evil . This ain’t nothing new for people that don’t live with their head in the sand , at any level of society . Kenneth
Really sad. Six of America's finest do something stupid and ruin their careers before they even get started. Hope all of them survive. They will certainly get the boot from the Point.
Would love to see the 3 mile run times of "America's Finest".
Well, they WERE West Point cadets. They would have eventually popped positive on a urinalysis. A RIO that flew with me at times “popped” shortly into a six month deployment and he wqs off the ship within a few days.
Well, they WERE West Point cadets. They would have eventually popped positive on a urinalysis. A RIO that flew with me at times “popped” shortly into a six month deployment and he wqs off the ship within a few days.
When I was a cadet, they didn't do regular drug testing.
Really sad. Six of America's finest do something stupid and ruin their careers before they even get started. Hope all of them survive. They will certainly get the boot from the Point.
Are you really "America's finest" If you are to stupid to make it thru spring break without narcotics?
They couldn't lead a party without this happening - I sure as hell don't want them leading my kid in combat. Decision making shills are shyt.
Just because they let you in, doesn't make you Patton.
X 2 . They got what they had coming to em fugging around with " coke" Knowing damm well the fentanyl schit is everywhere.
Have to live under a rock in this day and age to not think about that schit ...
Can someone confirm that a person employing mouth-to-mouth resuscitation can receive a toxic dose of fentanyl from the victim?
I will state I have 0 knowledge of what Fentanyl can do, but this came up in my feed today. If someone can be overcome in this way I would have to assume M2M could cause an OD also if the chit is potent enough.
Can someone confirm that a person employing mouth-to-mouth resuscitation can receive a toxic dose of fentanyl from the victim?
I will state I have 0 knowledge of what Fentanyl can do, but this came up in my feed today. If someone can be overcome in this way I would have to assume M2M could cause an OD also if the chit is potent enough.
And it's coming across the Southern border in truckloads.
Looks to me as though there needs to be a review of how West point, Annaopolis, and Colorado Springs appointments are doled out.
Recreational drug use was a thing way back when I was at West Point in the 80's. USMA cadets should be held to higher standards, and they should hold themselves to those standards also. Some do, some don't. I was disappointed, and disillusioned, at what I saw some cadets do and get away with.
Some people must live like mushrooms , just because somebody did some toot which in its normal makeup in reality is relatively harmless as long as you don’t get stupid about it don’t make them bad people . The bad people are the MFers that laced it . Either out of greed or pure evil . In today’s world we ain’t necessarily safe with anything we consume , or touch . Bunch of fugged up people out there Just some young kids that thought nobody would be that big of an azzhole to cut it with that shiet . People used to get killed buying bootlegged booze cause some prick was that damned greedy or evil . This ain’t nothing new for people that don’t live with their head in the sand , at any level of society . Kenneth
I don't care what level of society they come from. If people decide to destroy their lives, their careers or end their life with the use of drugs, (and every dose is a choice) they get no sympathy from me.
And yes, I was a stupid college kid fresh off the farm at one time. But I had brains enough to refuse offers of dope of many kinds.
I would not waste a dime of tax money to purchase NarCan if it was my choice.
Now, if a couple of those cadets actually went to the hospital from contact doses by attempting resuscitation, they definitely have my sympathy. I hope they choose a better class of friends in the future.
Looks to me as though there needs to be a review of how West point, Annaopolis, and Colorado Springs appointments are doled out.
Recreational drug use was a thing way back when I was at West Point in the 80's. USMA cadets should be held to higher standards, and they should hold themselves to those standards also. Some do, some don't. I was disappointed, and disillusioned, at what I saw some cadets do and get away with.
I truly am surprised to know that.
I graduated high school in the early 70s in El Paso, and smoking weed was almost universal amongst El Pasoans of that generation. I'm not innocent by any means. But still, to go to West Point or Annapoilis and be caught using any illegal substance even then...just shameful IMO. And exponentially more shameful in this day and age.
I can't help but think that there's too much affirmative action and other perversity keeping our very best and brightest out of the military academies. Preference for ANY race is an expression of racism, and I'd bet that we'd not be too surprised to find out who these young ex-cadets are.
Recreational drug use is a choice. Most recreational drugs aren't manufactured with any quality control, so what you get and what you think that you're getting could be two very different things. I've got no use for recreational drugs, the people who make them, sell them, or use them. Some people choose risky behavior and never have a problem, while others who take the same risks die. Look up Len Bias. Picked #2 in the 1986 NBA draft by the Boston Celtics, died less than 2 days later from a cocaine overdose.
Some people must live like mushrooms , just because somebody did some toot which in its normal makeup in reality is relatively harmless as long as you don’t get stupid about it don’t make them bad people . The bad people are the MFers that laced it . Either out of greed or pure evil . In today’s world we ain’t necessarily safe with anything we consume , or touch . Bunch of fugged up people out there Just some young kids that thought nobody would be that big of an azzhole to cut it with that shiet . People used to get killed buying bootlegged booze cause some prick was that damned greedy or evil . This ain’t nothing new for people that don’t live with their head in the sand , at any level of society . Kenneth
Looks to me as though there needs to be a review of how West point, Annaopolis, and Colorado Springs appointments are doled out.
First we read about communists graduating, now coke heads ODing. This is something you would expect to read coming out of a liberal arts college, not West Point.
Really sad. Six of America's finest do something stupid and ruin their careers before they even get started. Hope all of them survive. They will certainly get the boot from the Point.
I think the "America's finest" part is an outdated myth
First we read about communists graduating, now coke heads ODing. This is something you would expect to read coming out of a liberal arts college, not West Point.
Yes, typically with such a prestigious facility a drug overdose incident would be swept under the carpet to protect the schools name. Too much public exposure with this one and off campus too boot let the cat outta the bag.
Lets just say their morale compass was severely fuuucked up and they made bad choices "experimenting" with coke. And they should not be punished beyond what happened to them and being kicked outta the point is not a option they should have to suffer.
Where is everyone's compassion in this matter??? 🤣🤣🤣🤔🤔🤔🤣🤣🤣
uote] I don't care what level of society they come from. If people decide to destroy their lives, their careers or end their life with the use of drugs, (and every dose is a choice) they get no sympathy from me.
And yes, I was a stupid college kid fresh off the farm at one time. But I had brains enough to refuse offers of dope of many kinds.
I would not waste a dime of tax money to purchase NarCan if it was my choice.
Now, if a couple of those cadets actually went to the hospital from contact doses by attempting resuscitation, they definitely have my sympathy. I hope they choose a better class of friends in the future.
I didnt grow up on a farm and I am a hell of a lot more handsome than you. I might even be a better shot. But we are 110% in agreement on this.
Stepson graduates in May. My take is it is a great institution that has the same types of problems as other campuses dealing with young kids/ adults.
Recruiting for sports uses different criteria than just intelligence, leadership, and morals. I suspect athletes are treated differently, as they are elsewhere.
I hope everyone recovers and learned their lesson.
Looks to me as though there needs to be a review of how West point, Annaopolis, and Colorado Springs appointments are doled out.
I'm curious about the competition to get in now. This is a rural county, I remember county kids going to the academy's as rare. Only one every few years from our 5 districts combined. Now it seems as if the biggest school (150-200/grade) sends at least 1 per year. The others frequently do also. Most seem to got to West Point. Not near as many to Anapolis or Colorado Springs.
Quite a few are "athletic scholarships". WTF that means, I'm not sure. But I fear it's a free education, to play ball, without the later strings. Sounds about right. One of the most prestigious educations a person could get. Free. On the taxpayers dime. Out of the military budget. For some meathead to carry a ball. Without the subsequent requirement to serve.
i knew a guy who OD'd on fentanyl laced coke. young guy, good hard working dude but liked to party. bought it from some unknown dude at a casino. had it not been for his fellow firefighters and a shot of narcan, he would have died. its not all junkies doing this schit. sometimes its just people who like to party too hardy. no judgement from me either way because i grew up kind of wild. glad i got that schit out of my system 40+ years ago. you can't do any illicit drugs anymore with this fentanyl schit everywhere. people who knowingly sell that schit need to spend a long stretch in the graybar hotel.
Rem, think about your post. Junkies aren't somebody you don't know. That's the self-righteous ideal of the "..let em die" crowd. Junkies are nitwits who use "junk".
Knowingly using that crap to "party"? You are a junky.
Maybe a 3rd grader. But headed toward 6th grade level, functional addiction. (He may have been there and you didn't know)
And unless one stops, graduation (death or prison) is in the future.
Looks to me as though there needs to be a review of how West point, Annaopolis, and Colorado Springs appointments are doled out.
Political correct screenings.
Friend of mine, high ranking military retiree, was on his congressman’s selection committee for appointments to the federal academies for several years. He finally gave up after it became obvious that the appointments all went to the children of political supporters regardless of the committee’s recommendations. One more way the filthy political class uses our tax dollars to buy support and pay back donations. Around here conventional wisdom is that he federal academies are just repositories for the scions of the political class who wouldn’t be able to hack it at real military colleges like VMI or The Citadel.
Saw a blurb somewhere where a cop opened a trunk that was full of fentanyl and was overcome by just the fumes. Paramedics brought him back.
Thank the Chico's and the cartels for doing their dirty work but but the Climate is the most important thing facing us.
Don't blame this incident on the cartels.
You buy a 1000cc sportbike, drive a back country road at 150mph, it ain't Grannys fault you end up "road pizza" when she pulls out with you 300yds away around the corner.
These nitwits decided to run way faster than good sense allows.
As bad as the cartels are, they are only part cause. They are also part symptom. Without the demand, they wouldn't exist. Demand is also symptom and cause. The cartels are only cause in that they are so efficient that they have increases supply and pushed price down.
Saw a blurb somewhere where a cop opened a trunk that was full of fentanyl and was overcome by just the fumes. Paramedics brought him back.
Thank the Chico's and the cartels for doing their dirty work but but the Climate is the most important thing facing us.
Don't blame this incident on the cartels.
You buy a 1000cc sportbike, drive a back country road at 150mph, it ain't Grannys fault you end up "road pizza" when she pulls out with you 300yds away around the corner.
These nitwits decided to run way faster than good sense allows.
As bad as the cartels are, they are only part cause. They are also part symptom. Without the demand, they wouldn't exist. Demand is also symptom and cause. The cartels are only cause in that they are so efficient that they have increases supply and pushed price down.
Ain't no one making anyone take this stuff.
This ^^^^^^^^^^ in spades. Just like it’s not a gunmaker’s fault when some bozo misuses their product. It’s called personal responsibility.
[ You damn right athletes at the academies are treated differently. My roommate while I was at West Point was a "recruited" football player. He had to attend the WPPS (West Point Preparatory School) in order to get his academics up to standard to attend West Point. Look at the football roster at West Point and notice how many of the kids list WPPS as their prep/high school.
ALL of the cadets are Congressional "nominees" - each congressman nominates a certain number (used to be 5) to each academy, but they still have to compete against one another and have a minimal SAT/ACT score to attend. Just because you're nominated doesn't mean you will be accepted. There are also presidential and vice presidential nominations.
I don't care what level of society they come from. If people decide to destroy their lives, their careers or end their life with the use of drugs, (and every dose is a choice) they get no sympathy from me.
And yes, I was a stupid college kid fresh off the farm at one time. But I had brains enough to refuse offers of dope of many kinds.
That’s where I’m at on this, they did it to themselves. A path I consciously avoided tho I sure got drunk a lot.
Well I will add a little. This thoroughly disgusts me. I worked at West Point twice. They are in the military. They know they aren't to use drugs. They know there is drug testing. And these are supposed to be the cream of the crop? Disgusts me.
Number two, yes I believe the mouth to mouth givers got it from rendering first aid. The police and first reponders found out that they were OD'ing from touching the victims. They started saving the Narcan for themselves.
I say save the Narcan for the first responders. You play dumb games you get dumb results.
Looks to me as though there needs to be a review of how West point, Annaopolis, and Colorado Springs appointments are doled out.
Recreational drug use was a thing way back when I was at West Point in the 80's. USMA cadets should be held to higher standards, and they should hold themselves to those standards also. Some do, some don't. I was disappointed, and disillusioned, at what I saw some cadets do and get away with.
I was at the Naval Academy in the late 80s and I didn't know a single person that did any drugs, even weed, and if they did, there was zero tolerance and they'd be gone same day.
I don’t advocate the use , don’t feel sorry for them , just pointing out it is a fact of life in everyone’s lives . Not meaning that you are a doper , but you can bet your azz someone close to you has at least experimented with the shiet . Have seen fools flush a career over dope , reminds me of the idiots that win the lottery and then go buy a boat load of dope and go to prison when they had the world in their hands .
Support the cartels ? What you figure they had ? An eight ball , maybe . Give me a fugging break , everybody that drinks a beer or shot should be stripped of their DL cause the MFer is a full blown drunk . Figure it was a let’s get loose night , dumbazzes that honk the shiet everyday are soon found out . As far as discipline goes , depends who’s their parents . Hunter being a perfect example . That’s another factor that plays into every level of society . Have been around this shiet at work and immediate family , everyday users and drinkers can’t hide it unless you got your head buried . I don’t look at the world through rose colored glass . Kenneth
The Academies have changed. There was a time when there were officer cadets who also played football. Today, there are football players who are also cadets - with no intention of ever being military officers. The genuine officers graduate and start their military careers. Not the football players. They get "deferred" for several years to join the NFL, and then - supposedly - serve a few years in the military. Not that it ever happens, probably.
It's deplorable. Worse, it results in events just like this, where the players develop the NFL mentality early: thugs on drugs.
Lets just say their morale compass was severely fuuucked up and they made bad choices "experimenting" with coke. And they should not be punished beyond what happened to them and being kicked outta the point is not a option they should have to suffer.
Where is everyone's compassion in this matter??? 🤣🤣🤣🤔🤔🤔🤣🤣🤣
There is a penalty for being that stupid. When you receive a gift, you don't piss on it.
There may be only six wearing NFL jerseys, Teal, but how many academy football players who failed to do so are now wearing uniforms? Or were they simply released from their commitment? That's the real problem here: all those very limited officer slots wasted because the academies recruited for athletics rather than military duty.
There may be only six wearing NFL jerseys, Teal, but how many academy football players who failed to do so are now wearing uniforms? Or were they simply released from their commitment? That's the real problem here: all those very limited officer slots wasted because the academies recruited for athletics rather than military duty.
Saw a blurb somewhere where a cop opened a trunk that was full of fentanyl and was overcome by just the fumes. Paramedics brought him back.
Thank the Chico's and the cartels for doing their dirty work but but the Climate is the most important thing facing us.
Don't blame this incident on the cartels.
You buy a 1000cc sportbike, drive a back country road at 150mph, it ain't Grannys fault you end up "road pizza" when she pulls out with you 300yds away around the corner.
These nitwits decided to run way faster than good sense allows.
As bad as the cartels are, they are only part cause. They are also part symptom. Without the demand, they wouldn't exist. Demand is also symptom and cause. The cartels are only cause in that they are so efficient that they have increases supply and pushed price down.
Ain't no one making anyone take this stuff.
This ^^^^^^^^^^ in spades. Just like it’s not a gunmaker’s fault when some bozo misuses their product. It’s called personal responsibility.
There may be only six wearing NFL jerseys, Teal, but how many academy football players who failed to do so are now wearing uniforms? Or were they simply released from their commitment? That's the real problem here: all those very limited officer slots wasted because the academies recruited for athletics rather than military duty.
I've never heard of more than 2 or 3 in any given year ask. Some given a deferment, some not. I've never heard of any being let out completely - as in they never serve in some capacity if it doesn't come true. If it does come true and they have a long career or whatever - I believe they chalk it up to "marketing/recruiting" for the services.
Unfortunately, first responders seem to be at risk now.
Probably not.
A first responder will not resuscitate without a barrier in place.
Blood borne pathogens, you know.
Resuscitate? Oh so mouth to mouth is the only way to come in contact with fentanyl?
Go buy a clue..
I suspect you have fewer clues than I.
If a trained first responder is properly using PPE to to prevent transfer of blood borne pathogens, he will also be pretty well protected from transfer of drugs.
Most all the people I've known that had a problem with "non-partakers" of mind altering substances had a problem and the sober folks made them uncomfortable.
I bet the tough guys here would be begging me to save their grandkids if they were od'ing.
No no...supposed to just let them die.
Most of us tough guys raised our kids to know better, as our kids also raised our grandkids.
I did have the advantage that my kids got to watch my cousin burn his brain to dust over about two years with meth.
You didn't teach your kids schit.
You just got lucky...statistically speaking.
Jim, all I need do is compare the productive employed lives of all my children with the crop of job applicants we get at work over the last ten or even twenty years to demonstrate there's much more involved than luck.
It is pretty amazing to see the crap coming in off the street thinking they deserve a steady paycheck.
Our medics administered Naloxone (Narcan) for years before they made it usable for everyone. I just wished we had some kind of magic juice to bring back a 30 or 40 something dad who just had the widow maker 100% of the time. They would often come out of it pissed we took their hi away, sometimes getting violent. Some we did multiple times before they ultimately overdosed and died because no one found them in time. Once we even used it successfully in front of the V A methadone clinic to a vet. Luckily his dealer called us after he sold him his dope.
I bet the tough guys here would be begging me to save their grandkids if they were od'ing.
No no...supposed to just let them die.
Most of us tough guys raised our kids to know better, as our kids also raised our grandkids.
I did have the advantage that my kids got to watch my cousin burn his brain to dust over about two years with meth.
You didn't teach your kids schit.
You just got lucky...statistically speaking.
Phuggin right Jim.
Worked hard to raise my kids right. 19 and 14, things look good. We are not close to so self righteous as to assume things will be great just because they are ours.
In my experience, those kind of parents have the worst kids.
"MY kid would NEVER..."
Parents who think they have good kids, don't.
The rest of us work hard, expect them to screw up, try to catch it, correct it, and pray.
And who hasn't seen good solid adults fall.
Let's not even get into the patients the medical establishment addicted. Back when every interaction included your pain level, And "no one should ever experience pain". Ask any older doc. Mine acknowledges it. It was the standard of the time.
My pothead grandson lost a good scholarship, flunked out of college, and spent a few years pouring concrete with a crew of wetbacks before he finally decided to get his act together and sober up. Now he's got a decent job doing quality control and crankshaft balancing at a big automotive engine plant. I hope he can stay on the straight and narrow long enough to make a work ethic his default setting.
this is very entertaining, the wife left for a drive so she wouldn't say anything she regretted. Maybe the wife got tired of the husband complaining of him not being the center the attention, of her accent and her culture, and her parents (which by the way live half a world away and are rarely welcome to come visit) the wife works 10 and half hour days, drives two hours for work and still has to come home cook, clean and make sure she is in bed by eight 30 because her husband says he needs the sleep. yes also the other complain is that she wakes him up in the morning when she has to get up at 5 am to do it all over again. yes, also the three kids, yes she should be grateful that he took her in with three kids, especially when she solely supports them and has to attend every school event by herself because the husband is too stuck in the computer for hours on end visiting with his forum friends that do not care if lives or dies. bipolar, that was the last diagnoses for the second wife. respectfully a hard working woman that is fed up. thank you
Just rejoice in knowing the drug war and all those Gooberment laws and ajencys using billions in tax dollars that keep us all safe protected those boys from worse harm
Snorting a line of cocaine is not the worst crime a college boy can commit. I hear that lots of kids do it. It is not exactly the kidnapping of the Lindbergh baby. These wild boys, didn't know it was laced with fentanyl.
You want to destroy their careers over this? Drugs are not exactly unknown in the military. Two of my best friends from high school, Greg D. and Phil P., joined the Marines in 1967 so that they could fight for their country in Vietnam. Phil and Greg had never even smoked a joint before they joined the Marines. They told me that they could buy a "ball" of heroin, the size of a golf ball, from an 8 year old kid on the streets of Saigon, for 5 bucks. They both came back from the 'Nam heroin addicts. Sticking that needle into the veins on their arms. By Christmas of 1970, Phil was dead of a heroin overdose. Greg survived for some years, but he was still ruined from his years as a warrior in the Marines.
A bunch of generalizations being presented as absolutes here.
About 90% of us grow up to be like our parents, good or bad, so obviously we learn a bunch from our parents just by being there.
I see it every day at work, a kid raised in a secure home with two loving parents is less likely to screw up. On the other hand, if your parents sucked and subjected you to various sorts of abuse, shot up in front of you, dealt drugs and fronted stolen merchandise, you might grow up a tad more fragile than you otherwise would.
Then there’s that other 10% that grow up different.
Just rejoice in knowing the drug war and all those Gooberment laws and ajencys using billions in tax dollars that keep us all safe protected those boys from worse harm
Yeah, it's the government's fault they did drugs when they weren't supposed to.
After thinking about it: those cadets should have been tossed onto the beach with dead carps to let the seagulls peck out their eyeballs. Fck them and fck West Point Academy, that institution is a schitthole.
Parents have some to do with it.....but not nearly as much as we would like to believe.
This is the dumbest thing I've read on the forum in days.
You would be wrong.... Conrad is correct.... it's that free will thing God gave us
I think you missed the point. We all have free will and these folks are responsible for the decisions they make. But the probability of a person making a stupid decision depends significantly on their upbringing.
Parents have some to do with it.....but not nearly as much as we would like to believe.
This is the dumbest thing I've read on the forum in days.
You would be wrong.... Conrad is correct.... it's that free will thing God gave us
I think you missed the point. We all have free will and these folks are responsible for the decisions they make. But the probability of a person making a stupid decision depends significantly on their upbringing.
I have seen enough very good parents have a good kid and a bad kid... raised in the same house, same rules... I always feel bad for the good parents with a bad kid. That being said bad parents stand a damn good chance of having all bad kids, a kid that rises above a bad household is rare indeed
Parents have some to do with it.....but not nearly as much as we would like to believe.
This is the dumbest thing I've read on the forum in days.
You would be wrong.... Conrad is correct.... it's that free will thing God gave us
I think you missed the point. We all have free will and these folks are responsible for the decisions they make. But the probability of a person making a stupid decision depends significantly on their upbringing.
I have seen enough very good parents have a good kid and a bad kid... raised in the same house, same rules... I always feel bad for the good parents with a bad kid. That being said bad parents stand a damn good chance of having all bad kids, a kid that rises above a bad household is rare indeed
Understand. That's why I used the term probability. The odds are still significantly better with a good upbringing, even though there can be outliers.
... And it's coming across the Southern border in truckloads.
Post a couple weeks ago referenced a truck seized on the border with fentanyl. Did the math, the single truck had enough fentanyl to kill 88 million people with 2x the lethal dose. Nasty stuff...
... And it's coming across the Southern border in truckloads.
Post a couple weeks ago referenced a truck seized on the border with fentanyl. Did the math, the single truck had enough fentanyl to kill 88 million people with 2x the lethal dose. Nasty stuff...
Parents have some to do with it.....but not nearly as much as we would like to believe.
This is the dumbest thing I've read on the forum in days.
You would be wrong.... Conrad is correct.... it's that free will thing God gave us
I think you missed the point. We all have free will and these folks are responsible for the decisions they make. But the probability of a person making a stupid decision depends significantly on their upbringing.
I have seen enough very good parents have a good kid and a bad kid... raised in the same house, same rules... I always feel bad for the good parents with a bad kid. That being said bad parents stand a damn good chance of having all bad kids, a kid that rises above a bad household is rare indeed
Understand. That's why I used the term probability. The odds are still significantly better with a good upbringing, even though there can be outliers.
So we have our education system awarding grades based on color, sexual preference or whatever the crisis of the day is and require a recommendation from a sitting senator or congress critter. When one considers the current crop of educators and legislators are you really surprised?
Parents have some to do with it.....but not nearly as much as we would like to believe.
This is the dumbest thing I've read on the forum in days.
You would be wrong.... Conrad is correct.... it's that free will thing God gave us
I think you missed the point. We all have free will and these folks are responsible for the decisions they make. But the probability of a person making a stupid decision depends significantly on their upbringing.
I have seen enough very good parents have a good kid and a bad kid... raised in the same house, same rules... I always feel bad for the good parents with a bad kid. That being said bad parents stand a damn good chance of having all bad kids, a kid that rises above a bad household is rare indeed
Understand. That's why I used the term probability. The odds are still significantly better with a good upbringing, even though there can be outliers.
Outliers??
Hell. Prevalent...not outliers.
For some reason, the devil seems to win. More bad kids from good homes than the opposite.
How often do you ever see a bad kid running with a good one, And the bad kid turns good? Just don't happen that way.
Just rejoice in knowing the drug war and all those Gooberment laws and ajencys using billions in tax dollars that keep us all safe protected those boys from worse harm
Yeah, it's the government's fault they did drugs when they weren't supposed to.
Twice you quoted me with apparently not a clue what was said.
I knew a fair number of kids who were raised in a very, very strict household...often a very religious household (Mormons, mainly). Once they were on their own, and finally could be a bit wild as a kid is often meant to be, they went a bit too wild. Several got alcohol poisoning and a few died. They were just kids being kids. I always stayed out of the hard-core drugs but was friends with many, many from "perfect" households who did not.
I had a wild streak myself and had parents that allowed it---to an extent---which got it out of my system early. I was the kid sneaking beer into JR High and drinking it between classes. By the time I was 21 I was often a DD, by choice. I truly believe having a somewhat undisciplined childhood is a good thing, for a lot of personality types at least.
Just rejoice in knowing the drug war and all those Gooberment laws and ajencys using billions in tax dollars that keep us all safe protected those boys from worse harm
Yeah, it's the government's fault they did drugs when they weren't supposed to.
Twice you quoted me with apparently not a clue what was said.
Everyone on here knows what a brave anti government warrior you are. Returning shopping carts at Walmart parking lot is rife with risks. lol
Every been out of the county you were born in rural Idaho? Guessing not
- - - - - - - You want to destroy their careers over this? Drugs are not exactly unknown in the military. Two of my best friends from high school, Greg D. and Phil P., joined the Marines in 1967 so that they could fight for their country in Vietnam. Phil and Greg had never even smoked a joint before they joined the Marines. They told me that they could buy a "ball" of heroin, the size of a golf ball, from an 8 year old kid on the streets of Saigon, for 5 bucks. They both came back from the 'Nam heroin addicts. Sticking that needle into the veins on their arms. By Christmas of 1970, Phil was dead of a heroin overdose. Greg survived for some years, but he was still ruined from his years as a warrior in the Marines.
OK - do I want our West Point grads and Army officers to be as you state: "Sticking that needle into the veins on their arms. By Christmas of 1970, Phil was dead of a heroin overdose. Greg survived for some years, but he was still ruined from his years as a warrior in the Marines."
When it comes to leadership, high standards and self-discipline matter a lot. Fools and weak-willed druggies destroy their own careers - even with fentanyl on spring break - and since taxpayes are footing the bill for their "leadership" training, end the charade now.
On the counterpoint side, one of my cousins and his best friend both signed up for the Marines right out of high school, mid 1960’s, wanting to go to Vietnam. This was the NY suburbs but you’d call these guys Rednecks - hunting, guns, drinking. Their idea of a prank in high school was putting on white hoods and driving through a Black neighborhood.
As infantry both saw combat in Vietnam, came home, married and went on to lead productive lives. The best friend married my cousin’s sister so we’re still in touch. My cousin years later became more troubled by the memories, still is, nary a hint of drug use around either one though.
Both had a son who later enlisted the Military; in the Air Force, they did everything they could to keep their sons from opting for a direct combat MOS.
As for those Cadets, if they had gotten drunk and unintentionally killed someone with a vehicle, their Military careers would be over. As it was they mostly hurt themselves but still the same kind of deal; a stupid mistake with life-changing consequences.
You can bet there will be hell to pay when the cadets get back to West Point after the break. The Point is not going to let this learning experience pass without something being said. I'm betting all of the academies will be using this as a training point.
Well, they WERE West Point cadets. They would have eventually popped positive on a urinalysis. A RIO that flew with me at times “popped” shortly into a six month deployment and he wqs off the ship within a few days.
When I was a cadet, they didn't do regular drug testing.
Must be an Army thing. When we started getting serious about getting rid of drugs in the Navy (after the 1981 NIMITZ flight deck accident) we were pretty aggressive with drug testing across the board. As a LT, I was in charge of that program in my first squadron and we put A LOT of dopers out. This was circa 1982-85. By the late 80s, positives had all but disappeared. We did have a small resurgence with newer drugs in in the early 2000s, but by the time I retired in 08, again drug use was negligible . These cadets should be dismissed with at least an OTH discharge.
Well, they WERE West Point cadets. They would have eventually popped positive on a urinalysis. A RIO that flew with me at times “popped” shortly into a six month deployment and he wqs off the ship within a few days.
When I was a cadet, they didn't do regular drug testing.
Must be an Army thing. When we started getting serious about getting rid of drugs in the Navy (after the 1981 NIMITZ flight deck accident) we were pretty aggressive with drug testing across the board. As a LT, I was in charge of that program in my first squadron and we put A LOT of dopers out. This was circa 1982-85. By the late 80s, positives had all but disappeared. We did have a small resurgence with newer drugs in in the early 2000s, but by the time I retired in 08, again drug use was negligible . These cadets should be dismissed with at least an OTH discharge.
I think your timing is about right. I remember late '81 as the first checks for drugs, with absolutely nothing before then. We were transitting from Portsmouth NSY to Charleston and had to divert into New London so we could stand on the pier while they ran dogs through the boat. Piss tests began shortly thereafter. I may be wrong but that's how I remember it.
Well, they WERE West Point cadets. They would have eventually popped positive on a urinalysis. A RIO that flew with me at times “popped” shortly into a six month deployment and he wqs off the ship within a few days.
When I was a cadet, they didn't do regular drug testing.
Must be an Army thing. When we started getting serious about getting rid of drugs in the Navy (after the 1981 NIMITZ flight deck accident) we were pretty aggressive with drug testing across the board. As a LT, I was in charge of that program in my first squadron and we put A LOT of dopers out. This was circa 1982-85. By the late 80s, positives had all but disappeared. We did have a small resurgence with newer drugs in in the early 2000s, but by the time I retired in 08, again drug use was negligible . These cadets should be dismissed with at least an OTH discharge.
I think your timing is about right. I remember late '81 as the first checks for drugs, with absolutely nothing before then. We were transitting from Portsmouth NSY to Charleston and had to divert into New London so we could stand on the pier while they ran dogs through the boat. Piss tests began shortly thereafter. I may be wrong but that's how I remember it.
Agree with your timeline. When the program first got underway thanks to President Reagan, you used to get one chance. Fortunately this went away quickly and one strike and you're rightfully OUT with an OTH. fugg em'
You can bet there will be hell to pay when the cadets get back to West Point after the break. The Point is not going to let this learning experience pass without something being said. I'm betting all of the academies will be using this as a training point.
kwg
Strangely, still not identified. If they were white, they'd have already been vilified.
Well, they WERE West Point cadets. They would have eventually popped positive on a urinalysis. A RIO that flew with me at times “popped” shortly into a six month deployment and he wqs off the ship within a few days.
When I was a cadet, they didn't do regular drug testing.
Must be an Army thing. When we started getting serious about getting rid of drugs in the Navy (after the 1981 NIMITZ flight deck accident) we were pretty aggressive with drug testing across the board. As a LT, I was in charge of that program in my first squadron and we put A LOT of dopers out. This was circa 1982-85. By the late 80s, positives had all but disappeared. We did have a small resurgence with newer drugs in in the early 2000s, but by the time I retired in 08, again drug use was negligible . These cadets should be dismissed with at least an OTH discharge.
Times have changed. You should hear the stories of my buddy in NCIS. The Navy, like the army, is a huge clown show now. No discipline. Standards have been lowered so severely that all our armed forces have been compromised. Thank Godd the standards went so low that beta clowns like 700H still get can't accepted lol
Times have changed. You should hear the stories of my buddy in NCIS. The Navy, like the army, is a huge clown show now. No discipline. Standards have been lowered so severely that all our armed forces have been compromised. Thank Godd the standards went so low that beta clowns like 700H still get can't accepted lol
I see it every day. In order for females to survive, the first thing that went was discipline, followed by lower standards all across the board and the nail in the coffin was legalizing f aggotry and of course, the Flag/General Officers in place today are all obama era promotes...
Times have changed. You should hear the stories of my buddy in NCIS. The Navy, like the army, is a huge clown show now. No discipline. Standards have been lowered so severely that all our armed forces have been compromised. Thank Godd the standards went so low that beta clowns like 700H still get can't accepted lol
I see it every day. In order for females to survive, the first thing that went was discipline, followed by lower standards all across the board and the nail in the coffin was legalizing f aggotry and of course, the Flag/General Officers in place today are all obama era promotes...
When they ended don't ask dont tell ,agreed was the last nail in the coffin I tell anyone interested in the military now, just join the air force guard or reserves and get the education bennies.
It's comical when someone who spends his day with a computer mouse in one hand and a glass of whiskey in the other hand offers "expert" opinions concerning parents not having any control over what their kids do in life. It sounds like a built in excuse planted before the same incorrect behavior happens under his own roof.
"Hey, it ain't my fault. I raised 'em right. It's the blah, blah...(pick your favorite choice to blame others)."
Recruitment commercials,created to appeal to homos and trannies,are designed to recruit sick individuals who will destroy the military's ability to actually defend this nation.
One could reasonably argue this is the ultimate objective of Commie infiltrators such as Mark Milley and Lloyd Austin.
The cadet, who was caught displaying his hat which proclaimed that "Communism will win",is perhaps one of thousands who have been trained by Commie professors,who've embedded themselves into our educational system.
Perhaps this explains these weak minded individuals who engaged in this drug abuse incident.These cadets may not be the best and brightest but instead the people chosen for their willingness to embrace un-American/Commie ideals.
Just the shaggy haircut that soy boy is wearing would have gotten me some seroius disciplinary action in college ROTC back in the 1960's. Spouting communist propaganda would have resulted in a full fledged blanket party!
Recruitment commercials,created to appeal to homos and trannies,are designed to recruit sick individuals who will destroy the military's ability to actually defend this nation.
One could reasonably argue this is the ultimate objective of Commie infiltrators such as Mark Milley and Lloyd Austin.
The cadet, who was caught displaying his hat which proclaimed that "Communism will win",is perhaps one of thousands who have been trained by Commie professors,who've embedded themselves into our educational system.
Perhaps this explains these weak minded individuals who engaged in this drug abuse incident.These cadets may not be the best and brightest but instead the people chosen for their willingness to embrace un-American/Commie ideals.
Was he forced to pay back for his tax payer funded education? I am guessing no
Originally Posted by jorgeI
Originally Posted by rte
Recruitment commercials,created to appeal to homos and trannies,are designed to recruit sick individuals who will destroy the military's ability to actually defend this nation.
One could reasonably argue this is the ultimate objective of Commie infiltrators such as Mark Milley and Lloyd Austin.
The cadet, who was caught displaying his hat which proclaimed that "Communism will win",is perhaps one of thousands who have been trained by Commie professors,who've embedded themselves into our educational system.
Perhaps this explains these weak minded individuals who engaged in this drug abuse incident.These cadets may not be the best and brightest but instead the people chosen for their willingness to embrace un-American/Commie ideals.
Was he booted because he openly displayed his fealty for Communism?
Some of my family claimed the military knew about him and would allow him to enter the service, if he hadn't revealed his Commie attitude to the civilian population.
Was he booted because he openly displayed his fealty for Communism?
Some of my family claimed the military knew about him and would allow him to enter the service, if he hadn't revealed his Commie attitude to the civilian population.
If I recall correctly, he wasn't booted until after he was commissioned and on duty somewhere in Alaska, I believe. As a former cadet myself, it pisses me off to know that those f aggots standing around him didn't punch him in the face for displaying such trash.
Well, they WERE West Point cadets. They would have eventually popped positive on a urinalysis. A RIO that flew with me at times “popped” shortly into a six month deployment and he wqs off the ship within a few days.
When I was a cadet, they didn't do regular drug testing.
Must be an Army thing. When we started getting serious about getting rid of drugs in the Navy (after the 1981 NIMITZ flight deck accident) we were pretty aggressive with drug testing across the board. As a LT, I was in charge of that program in my first squadron and we put A LOT of dopers out. This was circa 1982-85. By the late 80s, positives had all but disappeared. We did have a small resurgence with newer drugs in in the early 2000s, but by the time I retired in 08, again drug use was negligible . These cadets should be dismissed with at least an OTH discharge.
same with the AF in the early 80's. from about 82-83 until i got out in 86, we were random tested fairly regularly. i think about every 3 months or so. first time they did that, about 10% of the squadron got popped. lot of guys out mowing lawns and picking up cig butts waiting for their discharge. zero tolerance. had one guy who swore up and down dominos had laced his pizza with weed. in those days dominos had a loaded pizza they called "The Destroyer". after his claim, we called it "The Career Destroyer". lol. they also started cracking down on DWI around that time. you could get away with one but you would lose a stripe. two and you were on the bus home. i knew a lot of guys who went home with a general discharge.
... And it's coming across the Southern border in truckloads.
Post a couple weeks ago referenced a truck seized on the border with fentanyl. Did the math, the single truck had enough fentanyl to kill 88 million people with 2x the lethal dose. Nasty stuff...
Let's go Brandon!
I have 3 grand kids. I was not a user and neither was either of my kids. I think we are doing everything right so our grand kids will not be users. But, I could see one of them getting in with the wrong crowd and slipping. I certainly hope if that ever happens NARCAN is available to them. We will fix the problem afterword's about them using. But, only if they are alive. It bugs the crap out of me so much stuff is coming across the borders and people everywhere want to buy it. It bugs me even more what the Biden administration is doing with illegals and illegal drugs: absolutely nothing.
ya that seems crazy. could not imagine sharing a hot tub with my ncoic in the mid 80s'. lol. we had some promiscuous women for sure and it did affect the shop at one place i was stationed.
2nd. Lt. Spenser Rapone received an other-than-honorable discharge less than a year after images like this one from his days at West Point went viral. (Courtesy of Spenser Rapone via AP) WATERTOWN, N.Y. — The images Spenser Rapone posted on Twitter from his West Point graduation were intentionally shocking: In one, the cadet opens his dress uniform to expose a T-shirt with a blood-red image of socialist icon Che Guevara. In another, he raises his fist and flips his cap to reveal the message: “Communism will win.”
Less than a year after Rapone’s images drew a firestorm of vitriol and even death threats, the second lieutenant who became known as the “commie cadet” is officially out of the U.S. Army with an other-than-honorable discharge.
Top brass at Fort Drum accepted Rapone’s resignation Monday after an earlier reprimand for “conduct unbecoming of an officer.”
Rapone said an investigation found he went online to advocate for a socialist revolution and disparage high-ranking officers. Officially, the Army said in a statement only that it conducted a full investigation and “appropriate action was taken.”
An unrepentant Rapone summed up the fallout in yet another tweet Monday that showed him extending a middle finger at a sign at the entrance to Fort Drum, accompanied by the words, “One final salute.”
“I consider myself a revolutionary socialist,” the 26-year-old Rapone told The Associated Press. “I would encourage all soldiers who have a conscience to lay down their arms and join me and so many others who are willing to stop serving the agents of imperialism and join us in a revolutionary movement.”
when i was in the Army 83-86. E-4 and below if got a DUI or a drug bust on a pee test ,you got drug counsling and an Article-15, second time you was out..E-5 and above pop drug test you out the door ,DUI same as an E-4 ,our First Sargeant got a DUI after ,he kept telling us to not get one ,he got out of it but an Article -15
Recruitment commercials,created to appeal to homos and trannies,are designed to recruit sick individuals who will destroy the military's ability to actually defend this nation.
One could reasonably argue this is the ultimate objective of Commie infiltrators such as Mark Milley and Lloyd Austin.
The cadet, who was caught displaying his hat which proclaimed that "Communism will win",is perhaps one of thousands who have been trained by Commie professors,who've embedded themselves into our educational system.
Perhaps this explains these weak minded individuals who engaged in this drug abuse incident.These cadets may not be the best and brightest but instead the people chosen for their willingness to embrace un-American/Commie ideals.
Don't know about West Point...but I work at a Senior Military College and they test the Contracted cadets pretty regular and that's also the first thing they do at Summer Camp. How often , not sure. I'm thinking it's a random percentage that covers the whole class throughout a Semester. Then everybody gets it at Summer Camp, along with all the Commissioning Cadets their last semester before being sworn in.
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