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Phil

Phil, why do I think of John Kerry when I read what you wrote?

This reminds me of the
“ More Blacks Die in Vietnam than Whites”
Hahahaha Hahahaha..
Thanks for the Laugh ..

"I aint gots no argument wit dem Bietmameeze"

Interesting...

Never really thought about it.

Before my time.

A boy that I grew up with who had repeatedly failed grade levels in junior high school and quit at 16 ended up in the Army and was KIA shortly after arrival in Vietnam. We all knew that he wasn’t all there.

Forest Gump did alright.

I was drafted in 1959, went in the Army in 1960 Feb 14th Valentines Day, each County had a Quota, i was from a big county, with a small population, there were a lot of people drafted that were handicapped, our could not read or write, most of them got weeded out in basic training, long story, i got out on Oct. of 1963, and discharged in May of 1964, it was not a fun time to be in the military. Rio7

Some went in a bit crazy ,. A lot more came out a bit crazy ...

Fùck off Phil.

Same exact period my Dad was in.

OF ALL the names they could have picked that got deferments, the author picked Cheney and Trump. Tells you everything you want to know about the article's and the poster's agenda. F uck off Greygagher..

Interesting points in OPs posted story link:

Program instituted under a Democrat administration




What, ...no mention of deferments for Democrat Bill Clinton? Joe Biden ?

Use any examples you'd like, doesn't change the facts...

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Phil

Luckily they don’t continue that practice today, or they would be sending you to Viet Nam…

The facts that don't change are the facts that you are a chickenshit and a racist Philly.

Honk for Joey had Asthma but yet played college sports.
Actually received more deferments than President Trump IIRC...

Billy Boy went to england also was in ROTC prior to that to receive that exemption IIRC
Billy boy got to go sailing with JFK too.
How marvelous....
Nancy got her cherry busted by JFK in the coat room too...


OBammy ???
What did he do
Oh ....
Community organizer/ panderer....


Nice try Phil....
For every point you think has impact in your Liberal Socialist Democrat tard post.

Their are double counterpoints that can be easily made...

The Little Cowboy speaks, with nothing to say again.

Phil

Just more evidence of how the government screws over the very people they are supposed to represent

No...I said you were the only racist here and clearly support the ruined economy.

Do the facts drive the narrative or does the narrative drive the facts Phillip ?

Obama was too young for Vietnam. He's younger than I am, and I'm too young for Vietnam. I served from '77 to '81, too late for that mess.

I am not defending Obama, but fair is fair, and comparing him to those other idiots just isn't "period correct".

You are correct, GG. It was an atrocity. Committed by a political party that continues to commit atrocities today, but which you apparently champion nonetheless.

......they didnt allow Gheys in the military then either.

Really Phil, the point you oughta be makin', who were the defense contractors receiving the governments largess and who were the politicians awarding it?
Then take that a step further and figure out who got the kickbacks.

But that wouldnt drive the narrative now would it?

Like all wars Vietnam was started by war mongering Demokkkrats



I agree that draft dodgers like Biden, Obama and Clinton are scum

Wrong, like all you fools that still believe Viet Nam was started by Johnson and we didn't have any troops there until '65. When in fact, it was Nixon that first sent troops their as VP under Eisenhower while the French were still there. Most of you all don't know nothin from nothin.

Phil

The first ad hoc troop deposits were under Johnson Phil, Ike and Dicks people were advisors.

Guessing this is true, but I never crossed paths with such during my tours. Well, except for a couple unit commanders that were clearly retarded.

Believe that if you want... Same as you all call Iraq and Afghanistan the Obama war. [bleep], Bush Sr. with '91 and his pissant son with all his lies in 2003... not hard to figure which party is what.

Phil

Phil has no understanding of history

Remember when Obama was killing innocent children with drones Phil? How many wars did Obama have ? Five?

The blood thirsty war monger Obama loved killing innocent civilians and aid workers with his killer drone

https://theworld.org/stories/if-oba...ctim-every-day-it-would-take-him-3-years




If Obama apologized for 1 civilian drone victim every day, it would take him 3 years

And Biden likes to drone kill innocent civilians too

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/12/13/us-...hanistan-drone-killing-of-civilians.html



Trump ended that killing of civilians but Dementia Biden started it up again.

They were exempt, being employed by the deep state cabals Chinese commies.

Philly doesn't care about anything other than Party.

She just wanted to post about Trump and Cheney.

One of the 13 soldiers killed by Dementia Biden's phuug up in Afghanistan. Never enough dead soldiers for Democrats

I believe it. I was in RVN 1968. had a troop working for me that kind of fit that category. In 1966 when I was there a kid out on the range picked up 2 mortar shell and banged the ends together. Boom. In thinking back he probably fit that group.

Something rarely ever brought up when talking military deferments during the Vietnam war is the approved deferment for skilled trade apprenticeships which many took advantage of to avoid avoid serving in Vietnam.

A good friend of mine at the time did this. Late teens, fresh out of high school, lived at home with his parents, from an ordinary working class family, not wealthy or with political influence. He took advantage of a body repair and paint apprenticeship program offered at the vehicle dealership where he was already working. Wound up years later owning his own successful body repair / paint shop.

He did this mainly on the advice of his older brother who told him to do whatever he could to stay away from Vietnam. His brother was Green Beret (I know he was SF because I saw his dress uniform and beret) and had just recently finished his military obligation, got out, and never looked back.

I see the Demokkkrats are over in Ukraine ochestrating a wwwIII


Who gave Pelosi , Schiff and Crow the authority to start a world war gay Phil?

Thank God Nixon got us out of Afghanistan and Trump ended 2 wars

I believe we unofficially had troops in Veitnam starting in 60-61, the real action didn't start until 65 though.

This is worth repeating !

& reinforcing !!


Fùck off Phil.

The fact is, JFK said we would never be in war in Vietnam. He died and LBJ opened the conflict up with US troops, while ladybirds family had extensive holdings in Brown&Root, Sea Container and Bell Helicopter. He became a taxpayer made billionaire.

On his deathbed, Robert McNamara admitted he and LBJ agreed the US would not win the Vietnam War. Clearing his soul before meeting his maker.
On Jackie's deathbed she told Caroline that LBJ was responsible for her dads death.

Bill Clinton sold our missile guidance tech to China and financed NKs nuclear weapons.

Zero financed and had ISIS formed and financed Irans nuclear weapons program and the POS worthless nuclear arms treaty that had no restriction on them producing ICBMs. When is their 10 year nuclear weapons restrictions over?

The Taliban has cut off the CIA cash cow that helped fund the deep state NWO cabal by ending poppy growing.

Putin has cut off the deep state NWO cabal by destroying the money laundering in the Nazi homeland of Ukraine.

3/08/65 Good Memory!
9th Marine Expeditionary Brigade sent to guard the airbase in Da Nang

Hell, Military Assistance Command (Viet Nam) was created way before Johnson was President, in fact it was just shortly after the Kenndy/Johnson administration took office because troop levels were becoming to high. President Johnsons so called escalation was based on the lies of Westmorland, and in part later of the later Army chief of Staff Keith Johnson. All that is easy to dig up if wanted. But for all you that would rather believe all the far right conspiracy's and would rather overthrow our government, go for it!

Phil

So called......

Which way was it then dipshit?

Was it an escalation or wasn't it?

50 years ago: Army executes rapid buildup in Vietnam








1968 in the Vietnam War

Yer gonna git yerself in trouble with the disinformation people Jag !

Dont tell them about the heroin being smuggled back in body bags , they'll never believe ya.

Iran/Contra ? Well dirty is dirty.

Remember when military suicides sky rocketed under Obama and now Dementia Joe



Suicide Rate Among Vets and Active Duty Military Jumps - Now 22 A Day



From the VA under that war monger Obama

https://www.va.gov/opa/pressrel/pressrelease.cfm?id=2427

And I see the stock market today keeps crashing under the Demokkkkrats


https://www.fidelity.com/news/article/top-news/202205040832RTRSNEWSCOMBINED_KCN2MQ0XI-OUSBS_1


No wonder Pelosi and Schiff are over in Ukraine trying to start WWIII

NG units served and died in combat in Vietnam, too:

National Guard's Deadlest Days In Vietnam

FWIW.. my great uncle was an early special forces advisor training the S Vietnamese in '61 ..Home base for his unit was just across the border in Thailand however even then he mentioned Air America was heavily involved in clandestine air ops...

I bet he had some interesting stories. Those guys were a rare class of soldiers

The true numbers in country both CIA and SF in the 50's have never been released, but exceeded 15,000 before '60 and rapidly increased before '62 hence the formation of MACV, It had more than risen to just assistance well before Kenndy/Johnson Administration.

And hell talk about the number of kids and civilians killed in that air strike, look up the number of civilians and children killed in air strikes during the trump years after he deliberately eased restrictions..

Phil

Packing a single action, cross draw. Nice.

Would love to know if he used it in anger or was mostly "just in case"

What's your point? gooks and terrs are all in and for that matter so are democrats so there is that.

But since YOU made the statement regarding KIAs it is incumbent on YOU to substantiate the claim, unless of course you're a scumbag which we all know you are. And BTW, offensive air operations in SEA didn't start until WELL into democrat administrations, before that it was mostly all Black Ops.

Don't really know for sure if he ever used it however he served multiple deployments and was wounded in '63

I never saw him much after '65 but even then he sort of talked me into the AF and said close air support was really needed { visions of things to come maybe } ..little did I know then four years later I'd be flying CAS missions

The VMAG, were stationed in Takalei, Thailand, and operated in Laos, Cambodia, and both N.Vietnam and S. Vietnam, then know as French Indio China, The French were kicked out in 1958, a lot of people in that area spoke French. Rio7

There is some very interesting information re the war in Vietnam and the continuous role played by the CIA, by Frank Snepp, a CIA officer who was there for five years. It is Decent Interval. There are copies around cheaper than Amazon's price. I met Snepp years ago in Los Angeles. He was an interesting man.

https://www.amazon.com/Decent-Interval-Insiders-Indecent-Strategy/dp/0700612130

As far as the genesis of our involvement, it goes clear back to Democrat Prez. Truman and his decision to refuse to help Ho Chi Minh who requested the U.S. help to unify Vietnam. Playing international politics, Truman sided with the French in keeping France's imperial interests there intact. Truman and his advisors wanted France in NATO, and supporting France's position in Vietnam was a condition. We all know what happened to the French in Vietnam. The various subsequent presidential decisions led us into "Vietnam."

I was already out of the Army when Vietnam blew wide open. When I lived in Los Angeles, I had a very good friend who was a former Navy SEAL who served there. He told me that it was fugged up from the git go. He died last year as a result of Agent Orange. The communists could not kill him but our Government and Monsanto did.

FWIW.

L.W.

Thanks - just picked up a copy. Less than 7 bucks if you go used, hardcover. I get a lot off Amazon that way.

Remember when Joe Biden fought in the jungles of Vietnam?

He remembers all about it.

Lol

Yep, and people feared war in Vietnam and JFK said we wouldnt get in war there. We had military advisors and instructors there.

And a truck driver. And a patriot. Hehehe.

Biden is a bigger coward draft dodger than Clintoon or Obumbles. Of course Phil the coward admires child diddling draft dodgers

Of course not, that's just a conspiracy theory, like Kilerys Pizzagate and Bill and Bush trafficking drugs and such through Mena Arkansas, Bill and Kilery at Epstein Island and flying gratis on the Lolita Express.

If that were true a lot of their associates would have probably met untimely demises to try to keep the baseless theories from coming out. They would probably have killed Epstein themselves rather than risking him botching the job of hanging himself when the camera weren't running.

Chuck Schumer and Bernie Sanders were fugking war heroes too.

Remember when a bunch of Americans were left in Afghanistan while Bidets crews were loading up Muzzy terrorists to fly back to America in their place?

Remember Bidet revealing Seal Team 6 and a bunch of them getting killed in a big helicopter after breaking normal military protocol and picking up some unscheduled brown passengers during Zeros rain of terror - on the US?

Heroin in the bodybags isn't a conspiracy theory - it's common knowledge. They made a damned movie about it with Russel Crow. Hardly under the radar stuff.

I knew a couple of guys who served with military advisory groups prior to 1965.They both described Viet Nam as a tropical paradise. One likened it to the Garden of Eden. Said he couldn't believe how badly we screwed the place up

Damn those pesky facts getting in the way of a good narrative.

Yep. We officially have troops all over the place but not involved in military action.

Its s MILITARY/INDUSTRIAL type Neonazi funding, American Taxpayer Fughking Operation.

We have about 35 million people working for the US Govt making way more than similar private employers pay.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_military_deployments

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I'm thinking they will go down for the count in WW3.

I want to know who these "so many" are that say "it" didn't happen. Are they an organized group on this specific thing, or some general bunch of disbelievers? Do they concentrate on Democrat atrocities, or are they more general and deny things like the Holocaust and moon landings? Inquiring minds want to know.

That man looks like he could fug a guy up right quick.

I worked with those guys as late as '71. I was MACV/SOG (look it up) and got a strictly honorary "green beanie" at my going home party. Those guys looked tough, but that wasn't even half the truth.

I know for a fact he would as well as his buddies via some of his experiences !

Gayghost is a lieberal and lieberals lie.

Yep!
Just look at those eyes. They tell many stories. Without saying a word the "viewer" simply "KNOWS! to not mess with me" as being one...

Old gayghost Phil ain’t man enough to eat the corn out of this baddazz’s schit. I imagine he put a few bodies down over there.

Now in Biden’s army we have trannies , who can’t pass a basic pt test sucking each other off in porta potties during training

I’ve been going through my FILs old memorabilia from Vietnam. He was plucked out of Alaska flying bush planes and thrown into the jungles of SEA flying fixed and rotary wing aircraft for Air America. He spent 5 years in Laos from about 1965-70 and then from 1970-75 he was based throughout Vietnam. He flew Kissinger as well as other delegations and is mentioned in the book. The Vietnamese guy (Chattarong sp?) at the beginning of the movie pushing freight is my wife’s godfather and was an actual employee of “The Company” for the entire war.

If you knew my FIL you’d know that he was a good man and one that never wanted to cause conflict, he just wanted to get along with everyone. He wasn’t an “educated man” but he was very intelligent and talented and he was a RULE FOLLOWER. I don’t think anything made him more upset than the allegations and assumptions about Air America’s cargo. He told me countless times that he NEVER transported drugs and that the guys he knew didn’t either. He didn’t want every Air America pilot painted with the brush of a drug runner and I don’t blame him. Those guys did some incredible things that few will ever know about. He told me stories about getting shot down (5 times total…1 in N. Vietnam, 1 in Laos and 3 in Mexico) and being surrounded by NVA as he was pulling survivors from the wreckage. Turns out that his cargo was North and South Vietnamese children of all ages from infants to pre-teens orphaned by the war. My FIL said he left his Swedish K behind the seat because he wasn’t going to shoot his way out of that one and kept unloading survivors expecting to be shot any second. He told the NVA in his broken Vietnamese that he was either going to save those children or die trying. The next thing he knew the NVA set their rifles in a pile and started helping them move the children into the aircraft dispatched to the scene. He did some extraordinary things and he never talked about 90% of it.

He was fighting alongside Phil/Gay Ghost, the defender of our great nation!

Nothing but talk, and willingness to have other people to do what they are too chikenshidt to do themselves..

No [bleep].

Gay G, I think you must have meant "Election Fraud".

The dumbfughks didnt believe it happened, did you?

You refer to, of course, the 8100 people who really voted for Beijing Bribem.

Then there was Joe Namath. Classified 4-F (physically unfit for any military duty) the same year he quarterbacked the Jets to a Superbowl victory.

Nice to have influential employers.

Just the opposite was John F. Kennedy. He tried to enlist but flunked the physical, so he worked out six hours a day for several months. But he flunked it again. He told his dad, who was the richest man in America, "You'll just have to find me a better doctor." They did.

There was a big difference between WWII and Viet Nam.

That’s the first thing I thought when I read it too.





Nice

I wonder where ghaygager is today? surely he has answers to all the questions posed here...