https://www.foxnews.com/us/uvalde-shooting-officers-rifles-ballistic-shield-inside-school-58-minutes

They didn’t need Keys, the door was NOT Locked, all they had to do was turn the handle/knob and open it.

Pretty sure that's not new news.

This is.

It all boils down to incompetence and cowardice with a little lying.

and this lack of zeal to save the children was not first exhibited at Uvalde. The Parkland shooting, and a host of others, showed that the police are less than eager to do their jobs.

It's one thing to jump to conclusions.

It's another to stick to them.

As good summary...

https://www.texastribune.org/2022/06/20/uvalde-police-shooting-response-records/amp/

That was an excellent read on the link, Birdie, thanks.

Bingo. Now how come the chief wouldnt let them go? Was he threatened,honey potted, blackmailed or paid?

Or a lot of money?

That's the most damning article I've read yet.

Is valor really that rare?

The more information that comes out, the worse the cops look.

One thing is certain the public cannot take as fact anything said about the whole affair, and what's worse is this is not an isolated incident but the norm.

Sounds like a bunch of lying went on almost immediately.

Which is very telling...

If they were lying, they knew they had done wrong.

BINGO

Maybe the lies started flying immediately because they had been made up before the incident.

Please. The police responded terribly and scared and confused but they were not in conspiracy with that nut case shooter.

It wasn't a conspiracy. The simplest explanation is usually the best. Incompetence and cowardice, combined with some stupidity.

Arredondo is toast, a guy put in a situation above his ability.

I want to know what the Uvalde Police Chief was doing. The Uvalde Cop who’s wife called him to say she was hit and bleeding out went into the school with that message and we are told he was escorted out by other officers. Sure sounds like a Uvalde Police Chief decision.

And now Uvalde PD has since lawyered up.

This

I learned a lot about the “bravery” of a lot of cops during the whole Christopher Dorner thing. He was a former cop and was threatening to kill cops. Many cops were to scared to show up for work. The big wig cops had other cops stationed around their house to protect them and their families. Cops rammed and opened fire on at least two civilian’s vehicles because they were afraid it might be him driving it. Both times, it was the wrong make, model, and color. One was two women delivering newspapers.

That’s a tough article to read but I think everybody should.

Thanks for posting.

The group photo of the Uvalde Poleece tells you all you need to know.

Hold into the tacos

How can a man stand down and listen when his child or wife are in a life vs death circumstance ? Waiting for orders from a fool. I’ll never understand.

That's over half the towns in Texas.

Kinda rare to see a white guy/gal in those local governments now. Hispanics run them.

The frequency and timing of these so called "mass shootings" is such that it is hard to dismiss the idea some of them are planned to further a political agenda. Others are copy cat events intended to get notoriety for the murderer. I think "they" have the ability to identify and coerce the people they can enlist to carry out the shootings. I doubt "they" have the ability to plan every step after the action begins. After the shooting starts the responders have to react to the chain of events.

Cousins!!!!

Dammit thats a tough read. All the more reason why gun control is never the answer. There will be no one there to save you. We are all responsible for ourselves. Feel terrible for those poor children and families

It's a terrible thing for sure. I would love to hear some of your plans of action for attacking a room with a heavily armed psychopath that presumably has numerous children as hostages.

If you send your kids to a school, you have a reasonable expectation that they will be protected there.

Stop making schools soft targets.

The school systems fight any type of hardening it seems. And they REALLY don't want guns in schools to protect against this. Teachers themselves fight that in lots of places.

I am still not sure why the guys in the hall held up and did not enter. Here, with my agency we would not have hesitated to make entry and deal with the issue. There must have been a different dymanmic in place to induce the long pause in the hallway. Still very confusing to me, I cannot wrap my head around that mess. Our response only changes if the suspect is alone and isolated. Other wise if there is anyone nearby that the suspect could harm or has harmed then, the bad guy will be neutralized. The end.

Law enforcement vehicles around here have "to serve and protect" decals on both sides. If there is even one life in danger, they have a responsibility to go in and neutralize the situation. If the perp or perps are the only ones involved time is not an issue.

Sig line material Brother!

1. Break down the door. These cops had a Halligan tool, in the school.
2. Shoot the punk. If the punk manages to shoot the first cop, then the second cop will shoot the punk.

I think it's safe to say that the so called plan used wasn't the right way to handle it.

Arredondo is an incompetent pussy. Hard to believe that none of the cops said f@#k it and went in the room.

How about start by throwing a gas grenade through the window and breaking open the door real fast. As in it is time to do something even if it's wrong.

THIS!

I would assume youre not making a case for what these cowards did correct? Its a tough call and tough situation for sure. But there was little childrens lives at stake. The cops should have immediately worked to end the threat. Does it suck for the cop? Yes, but that is something everyone in that line of work has to come to grips with before accepting the position. You may have to give your life to protect another

The head of the Texas Department of Public Safety said Tuesday that Uvalde police could have stopped the mass shooting at Robb Elementary within three minutes, calling their response an "abject failure."

Testifying before a special Texas Senate committee hearing, Col. Steve McCraw, director of the Texas Department of Public Safety, told lawmakers that "There is compelling evidence that the law enforcement response to the attack at Robb Elementary was an abject failure and antithetical to everything we’ve learned over the last two decades since the Columbine massacre."

"Three minutes after the suspect entered the west building, there was a sufficient number of armed officers wearing body armor to isolate, distract, and neutralize the subject," he said. "The only thing stopping a hallway of dedicated officers from entering Room 111, and 112, was the on-scene commander, who decided to place the lives of officers before the lives of children."
McCraw on Tuesday again placed blamed on Pete Arredondo, the Uvalde school district police chief, for deciding to put the lives of officers ahead of children’s lives.

UVALDE SHOOTING: TEXAS DPS OFFICIALS BRING ROBB ELEMENTARY SCHOOL DOOR INTO STATE CAPITOL AHEAD OF HEARING

His remarks are the first public comments McCraw has made regarding the shooting since last month.

"The officers had weapons, while the children had none. The officers had body armor, the children had none. The officers had training, the subject had none," McCraw said Tuesday. "One hour, 14 minutes and eight seconds. That’s how long the children waited, and the teachers waited, in Room 111 to be rescued. And while they waited, the on-scene commander waited for radio and rifles. And he waited for shields, and he waited for SWAT. Lastly, he waited for a key that was never needed."

The classroom door, which Fox News Digital first reported was physically brought into the state capitol for Tuesday's hearing, was unlocked, but officers never even tried to open it, McCraw said.

"We set our profession back a decade," he said.

McCraw testified that on video, he never saw anyone put a hand on the door before the keys arrived. Yet, he said it turns out the classroom door could not be locked from the inside.

You, you, you mean it's kinda like signing up for the army except you get paid more?

I guess Col McGraw doesnt know WTH hes talking about.

Sheesh. They coulda got their hand shot if they had grabbed that door knob.

Good argument for less gun control. Police could wait over an hour when you need them. This is why you should be allowed your own ar. When a mad man is on the loose there's a decent chance the police won't be there to protect you. Parents should be allowed to go in if police won't. Most parents would go in even if they were unarmed to try to protect their kids. Pice blocked them. That is a huge travesty. I still have tons of questions about the Las Vegas shooting and why it took so long to get a response. I believe there's a huge cover up there.

Bb

Yes sir!

Not only did they block the parents, who were more than willing to go in, they tazed a father who was trying to get in the school to protect his child. WTF! I'm a pro-cop individual, but there were cowards there that day and not one of them should still have a job

Reminds me of a story good friend of mine told me. When he was in Iraq they were coming back from a patrol in their tanks. They hit an ied blew the track off the tank but everything else was in good working order. They start taking small arms fire form the palm groves. Hes the tank commander so Hes shooting the 50 cal. While yelling for the kid the loader to get out and shoot as well. They had a m4 carbine. He said that kid sat down in the turret crying I'm not going to get killed and would not come out of the turret. Well, more people get their end of story, kill bad guys/bad guys run off. They get back to camp my buddy said he told that kid, I will never tell you to get out of the Army but I will tell you, you need to reclass to something else. I don't care 88M, 42A whatever but you will never be a tanker. Point of story more LEO need to be told this, they don't have what it takes to be a cop and look for a different career.

Yep.

Some of the more questionable cop shootings should fall into this too.
Some, where the cop shouldn't be prosecuted for it, but maybe they
aren't suited to be a cop? Don't seem to happen though.

Stunning testimony today. Good God.



""The officers had weapons, while the children had none. The officers had body armor, the children had none. The officers had training, the subject had none," McCraw said Tuesday. "One hour, 14 minutes and eight seconds. That’s how long the children waited, and the teachers waited, in Room 111 to be rescued. And while they waited, the on-scene commander waited for radio and rifles. And he waited for shields, and he waited for SWAT. Lastly, he waited for a key that was never needed."

The classroom door, which Fox News Digital first reported was physically brought into the state capitol for Tuesday's hearing, was unlocked, but officers never even tried to open it, McCraw said.

"We set our profession back a decade," he said.

McCraw testified that on video, he never saw anyone put a hand on the door before the keys arrived. Yet, he said it turns out the classroom door could not be locked from the inside."

Yeah, this is about as bad as it gets.

Rhetorical, right

Defending the indefensible, again.

After reading all of your post on this tragedy, it is clear that you approve of the way this was handled, All LEO made it home safely, job one.

It is also clear that LEO Powell would have been the first officer to hide behind his vehicle and the last one to engage the shooter.

Pathetic doesn’t even come close to describing you.

Where are the door videos?

I'd guess there was the usual computer glitch.

Do this help

https://theconservativetreehouse.co...ther-58-minutes-before-engaging-shooter/

You mean what would I do if I had hard plate armor, ballistic shields, automatic weapons and a squad of “men” supporting me?….. I know what I WOULD NOT do, I WOULD NOT cower in fear despite the multiple levels of protection I enjoyed. I WOULD NOT wait for the children to bleed out.

I would use my multiple levels of protection to engage the shooter and kill him. I’d also be inclined to end the suffering of the chickenshit coward cops the hid while children were murdered or tazed fathers that had more backbone than all the pigs on scene.

I don’t have to wonder if I possess enough courage to face death because I got tested plenty through the years and I never faltered or hesitated. Too bad cops don’t possess half the brains or a quarter of the guts that firefighters have. 😂😂😂

New Revelations about the POS shooter :

Texas official: Uvalde shooter driven by social media fame, 'abhorrent behavior' went unchecked for months

https://www.foxnews.com/us/texas-of...-media-fame-abhorrent-behavior-unchecked

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You can't convince me that NSA didn't know of this. And probably 100's more such nutjobs.

But the veil under which NSA operates keeps them from stopping such low level type incidents.

If they rang the alarm bells on this stuff, everyone would know they are unconstitutionally spying on ALL Americans.

You know they know about these things. They have to.

im really ot a conspiracy whack job. but if Areadonkey could somehow determine that the shooter ahd an ar-15, then I assume he did that visually, whih would mean they could see him and return fire. pistol v. rifle doesnt matter you go to work with what you have, but I also have to wonder why he didnt have a radio?

Arredondo explained that he left his radios in the car, because he knew that when he ran [waddled] into the building, the radio would be too bulky and would flop around.

This fool still has not been fired and even worse, was sworn in to his seat on the city council in a SECRET session, 4 days after the shooting. Looks like they don't want Arredondo to lose his pension.

i think my radio was one of the least bulky items on my belt......

Absolute pharking disgrace.

Was hard to watch that conference, appalling cowardice!!

Yeah, fugk.

I can't help but wonder a few things. I wonder if the chief had specialized active shooter training. How about his officers? Did the department have any policy on such a situation? Did they have policy and training on hostage situations? Would the training and policy in any way be at odds with one another?

It looks like from some online surfing that the SRO, Chief and police force had the training, but I won't count on that being accurate yet.

Andy of Mayberry didnt have one or a gun.

Planned obsolescence. He wanted to have an excuse. Excuse was, he couldnt handle one and also two guns.

Gitem, the problem is he went through a school shooter training ordeal just 2 mo before and two years before where he supposedly got near perfect scores. I forget the name of the programs.

https://nypost.com/2022/05/31/pete-arredondo-took-active-shooter-training-before-school-massacre/

Uvalde school system’s police chief — who’s facing overwhelming criticism for local law enforcement’s response to the Robb Elementary School slaughter — took active shooting training months before the massacre, according to a report.

Chief Pete Arredondo, of the Uvalde Consolidated Independent School District, completed an eight-hour course on school-based active shooter situations at Southwest Texas Junior College on Dec. 17, 2021

Arredondo, who has worked at the school district since 2020, completed eight hours of the same course on August 25, 2020 and 16 hours of a "Terrorism Response Tactics - Active Shooter" course on June 10, 2019, records show.

Since 2018, the Texas Administrative Code has required school district peace officers and school resource officers to complete an active shooter response training program approved by the state law enforcement commission. Trainings include curriculum to prepare officers for emergency scenarios, according to the Texas School Safety Center.

Good post Mike!
I haven’t seen that until now.

This posting from that article disproves the Bullschitt story and lie that the School “Police Chief” claims “he wasn’t in charge”.

“ OK, we have him in the room,” he said, speaking on his cellphone. “He’s got an AR-15. He’s shot a lot. He’s in the room. He hasn’t come out yet. We’re surrounded, but I don’t have a radio.”

After the dispatcher confirmed the location of a SWAT team, Arredondo continued.

“Yes and they need to be outside of this building prepared,” he said. “Because we don’t have enough firepower right now. It’s all pistol and he has an AR-15. If you can get the SWAT team set up, by the funeral home, OK, we need — yes, I need some more firepower in here because we all have pistols and this guy’s got a rifle. So I don’t have a radio. I don’t have a radio. If somebody can come in —”

The dispatcher asked Arredondo to stay on the line as long as he could. Arredondo agreed but said he’d drop his phone when the gunman “comes out that door.” Then the dispatcher shared the location of the shooter over a police radio and requested that a SWAT team be amassed by a funeral home across the street.

“So, so I need you to bring a radio for me, and give me my radio for me,” Arredondo said. “I need to get one rifle. Hold on. I’m trying to set him. I’m trying to set him up.””

The POS Lying Arredondo needs to be held criminally responsible. And at the very least, should NEVER be allowed to serve in ANY LEO Capacity Anywhere Ever Again.

The residents of Uvalde that lost children there need to round that Cowardly POS up and hang him from the nearest tree.

He had a gun. Fat lazy bastard had forgotten his radio.

Arredondo was crying for a sniper. You don't need a sniper inside a classroom. And you can take on a rifle with pistols, although, you might get killed. You might not.
But at that moment Arredondo's men also had rifles.

This Fat Boy was a coward who was making up excuses to do nothing, while children died.

Video of the hearings today in Texas.

It damning.

Presumably my ass.

Yep! 😡

I hope Arredondo suck starts his Glock, yesterday wouldn't be soon enough!

“It’s all pistol and he has an AR-15.”

Seems the dipshit, who should know better, bought into the hype about the magical power of an AR-15.

Yeah I guess so but in an intentionally disparaging tone. All but the last 3 words. Those are honest. I couldn’t live with the memory of not going to the aid of family. The only good result I see will be to teach the ground troops who were willing to go forward to never again give heed to obviously foolish orders from a fool.

In May of 2015 two Jihadists showed up with AK rifles at Pamela Gellers Mohammed cartoon contest in Dallas and tried to shoot the place up. They were killed by security with hand guns.

ON PURPOSE

The perp went around the school 12 min shooting schiett up before going in an unlocked door.

Why? To make sure someone had the door unlocked.

Where were cops for 12 min? Arredondo knows. He ain't saying.

Old saying is cops are only there to direct traffic

So what happens now?

Does Arredondo get kicked out of his recent councilman job?

Does anyone get sued?

Yes, Daniel Defense

This just keeps getting curiouser and curiouser.

Da Cops had Da Shields from near the start.

When the Uvalde City Council met to go over the incident, parents and reporters were removed and proceedings were behind closed doors.

Why?

You know “why”.

The question is, why did they leave?

Apparently, those are just checkboxes.
SOB should have taken some Simunition hits to his fat ass at a minimum.

Better question is why Pete Arredondo was sworn in as a city councilman even after the school shooting.

That was after they knew what a turn he is, and has a very direct conflict of interest when anything relating to the shooting come before the city council.

NOTHING discussed in ANY govt venue should be allowed in "Executive Session" when it pertains to that failure at Robb Elementary.

Yep. There are things going on here bigger than we know and bigger than Arredondo

"Better question is why Pete Arredondo was sworn in as a city councilman even after the school shooting."

That's right. They held a secret meeting and swore him in. Outrageous!

Looks like Arredondo fits right in there in Uvalde.

The corruption that has plagued Mexico for hundreds of years is very evident in U.S. Hispanic majority communities.

Not that Hispanics have the market cornered in the corruption business, but it's very prevalent.

That is what I am thinking. Government officials and especially police are notoriously corrupt in Mexico.

It looks like "the ways of Mexico" have drifted north of the border.

Decades back.

Huge strides in corruption in the last 20 years.