What's up with all the ridiculing and making fun of this cartridge and owners. I was considering purchasing one but I would have to keep it a secret so I wouldn't be laughed off the shooting range.

Let them laugh. Then prove them wrong. Have the last laugh.

Go get one! It will make feel better.

I would be more embarrassed that I GAS tgat some random on the net cared what I shot.

Can't imagine being so insecure.

It is just a 243 ganging up with a 308 trying to be better than a 257.

It's your basic homophobia at work. 😁

I would be more embarrassed not knowing how to spell.
Btw... I am not insecure at all. Was just wondering what was supposed to be so gay about shooting a 6.5 cm.

I’ve never seen a cartridge that I disliked. Some are more useful than others but I can’t see hating a cartridge or equating it with masculinity. Then again I’m not a Ford Vs. Chevy fanboy either.

The haters always claim that it’s in response to 6.5 CM fanboys but I never see them. At least not in anywhere near the numbers that I see CM haters. I think a lot of the detractors are emotionally connected to a 6.5 Swede or .308 Win both of which I like but it bothers some that a newer cartridge comes along and has some technical advantages. Probably the same people that dislike 7mm-08 because it’s an easy button to the 7x57mm.

My G/ma taught me two sayings....

She was born in Lithawania

'Those that laugh last...laugh the hardest'

And.....

The sun shines on every dogs azz some day.....

Hornady & others develop these new whizz bang cartridges

People buy 'em......Hornady makes $$$$$$$

My thoughts.....6.5CM has nothing over the 125 YO 6.5x55

Only a newer case design

I'm a 6.5x55 kinda guy

I have two, make just as much fun as everyone else. People gonna find something to make fun of, just happens to be the Creed and 270. Both are superb in my worthless opinion. Took this by Buda Tex

I joyfully own both..

Kevlar is on..

A 6.5CM doesn’t have a thing over a 6.5x55 in a hunting rifle for someone that reloads. As a precision rifle cartridge it definitely has some advantages from a faster factory standard barrel twist to being able to seat long heavy for caliber bullets out in the mag box of a short action rifle if going to a long action than that leaves a lot of other options on the table for chamberings, shoulder angle ect. I like the Swede for a hunting rifle but for someone looking for the easy button and plentiful rifles and factory ammo that isn’t downloaded to old guns a 6.5 CM makes a lot of sense there too.

The 6.5 CM is popular today for the same reasons that the Swede was popular. Plentiful guns and ammo and similar ballistics and heavy for caliber bullets.

I can shoot ducks off the lake with my Creed or 270 either one, drunk, with my eyes closed!!!

Funny you enter the Creedmoor Country, and Exit the 223.

I never noticed that😎😎

The 6.5 CM is the equivalent of a man bun, sandals, and a European shoulder bag. LOL!

Honestly, if you're that concerned with what people think of the caliber of rifle you shoot, maybe you should grow a man bun, wear sandals and have your wife pick you out a "shoulder bag". 😖

Shoot the damn gun, hit the damn target and slay the damn deer!
The deer doesn't know and doesn't care about bullet diameter nor case capacity!
Heaviest deer I ever killed was with a .22 Hornet!

Put that pill in the right spot and deer will fall over dead, just like you planned.

Some of it is from magnum users and other types of over compensators.

Then there are the various maladies like CBHS, CDS and PCIS.

I don't give a [bleep] what anyone thinks about what I shoot or what I shoot at! 6.5CM is much like any other round.
Put it in the right spot and it's deadly.

I just don't like that it replaced everything else.

This can advance into CBHS.

It can result in ammo diversity loss, part of the playbook.

Jeff Bezos never heard of the 6.5 CM, he designs his rockets like a big, giant dhyck!... I mean, a 45-70.

Get a 6.5x55 SE.

Why? This is why:

U da man.....

I have quite the collection of 6.5 caliber rifles CM,260, 260AI, 6.5X55, 6.5-06, 6.5WSM, 264WM, 6.5RUM, and the 6.5X55 is the one I would give up last with the RUM a close second.

Methinks the Swede lovers protest too much.

I built a Pac-Nor 260 AI in 2006

Had a helluva time sourcing the dies

It's a no brainer

Been around a long time

Ain't going away any time soon

I do have enough hair for a man bun

https://www.ballisticstudies.com/Knowledgebase/6.5x55.html

I like it because you can get Lapua Brass for under a buck a piece, that and 55gr of powder in a short action. I load way over pressure and it never says Boo. my go to load are those Sierra 107s which are light but still have a decent BC with a comppressed load of RL17 which is good 3500FPS.

Well I for one would hesitate to put a rifle shooting 6.5cm diameter projectiles to my shoulder even if I could lift it... (Note: one inch = 2.54 cm).

I am pretty confident that in this conversation CM refers to Creedmoor oppose to Centimeter

What matters is result, couldn't care less.

yes

CM or aka Need More

Lapua brass for either of the two is close....$1.12 a pop

I have one, have shot it 6 times to site it in.

Wife gifted me a Fieldcraft in 6.5 CM when graduating from USASMA. Incredibly consistent and great to hunt with. Definitely a favorite. A gay friend told me years ago that biggest gay hater’s were always wanting to hook up the second they left town. Just to put it out there….

Tell more about all your gay friends. 😁

I think it’s like how High Noon and Sandbilly put it. It’s not the round, nothing wrong at all with it, quite the opposite; it’s The Following.

I won’t get into all that shcitt. Anything can have a stupid as [bleep] fan-base. Guys start getting old, start hating on the new shchitt. Like their old Schitt that worked just as well. I understand. I am
Becoming same, as I age.

But, I won’t buy one. And I don’t care if I’m missing out on something, because as far as I know I am
Not. Other more obscure and even ‘obsolete’
Cartridges Interest me more. And, my rifle/hunting mentor quickly chastised me for even asking him about it and said “we don’t discuss the 6.5 CM, you and I”.

I respect my elders and that was that.

Enjoy yours.

In a circle jerk.

LOL!!!!!

He’s one of my best friends.probably more conservative than 90% here, just likes cock more than pussy.

Want his number?

I was early on the Creedmoor bandwagon and build my first one in about 2008 on a stiller tac 30 AW with a Bartlien 8 twist. I guy at stiller chambered it for me and it still shoots 1/4 moa. Might do better but I tried 2 bullets and 3 charges and that's the only load development it's had. With great accuracy and sub 10fps es I've just stuck with 140 vldh bullets and h4350 at 2820 fps.

I have to laugh at people who feel their 257 roberts or whatever is better. I knew the moment I saw my first Creedmoor reamer print most of my 260s were going down the road and I was a big 260 fan. I started shooting long range in about 1996 with a 260 and always out shot my 308 weilding friends.

Creedmoors shoot well almost always, are efficient, and 6.5 bullets are only bested by 7mms.

It's like a new Honda accord but some people will never admit one could do anything better than their 76 pinto or 257 roberts.

I'm loving my 6mm Creedmoors and 22 Creedmoor too and can't wait to finish an 8 twist 7mm Creedmoor.

The anti Creedmoor guys are the same guys who wouldn't vote for Trump because of their feelings. They just ignore the facts and go pure emotion.

Bb

When I bought most of my lapua brass for my 6.5X55 it was $69.99 per 100 and free shipping, and that was not that long ago maybe 5 years plus. I also have some pretty neat wildcats based on that case IE: 6X55 and also a 22X55 which are stellar. Just an FYI the 6.5 Creedmoor is based of of the Thompson Centre 30 cal called the 30 TC. It looks identical to a 308 that is why it never took off just like the 6.5 CM looks just like a 260 Remington only the Creedmoor had a catchy name and better marketing.

I also have begun to theorize, that the better a given hunter becomes, at HUNTING and SHOOTING, the more intrinsically they become interested in ‘specialized’ cartridges that don’t appeal so much to the entry-level shooter. Or, cartridges that AREN’T so generically ‘easy’ and universally ‘successful’ to work with. Because, in a word -

SKILL

And, art.

And, endeavor.

And, the path less taken = challenge.

At least that’s my take.

Hanco, what’s a Texan’s take on the 6.5 CM against a 25/06? I know you own and have shot plenty of Schitt with both.

Listen to the Long Range pursuits podcast Esp:103. 6.5"s have been banned from a bunch of big bull elk outfitters. Nothing wrong with a 6.5 Creedmoor. In fact, there's a lot right with the cartridge, but its been sold as a long range Bazooka to a lot of people who couldn't hit the ground with their hat. Great deer, antelope, and small pig cartridge, but only a minimal elk cartridge. If your wife or kid can only handle a 6.5 Creedmoor, train them up and hope for the best. Its very doable.

However, its minimal. It's only what works when everything is right. Not running shots, not big solid shoulder shots, not running away shots and DEFINITELY not 500-600 yard shots. I don't care what others have done with the cartridge, or whats on video, I'm talking about when things don't go right.

I hunt elk with a 7RM and consider it to be no bigger than what elk hunting requires.

In summary, the 6.5 Creedmoor is great for deer and antelope but its been way oversold and real rifle guys are sick of the hype.. if you show up in my elk camp with one and aren't a little kid, a woman, or disabled, you can pack your igrorant ass back to town with your wee rifle and maybe make a few stock trades, call the signifant other and discuss the chances of Gavin in 2024.

Cross

How do the terminal ballistics change for women hunters?

My hunting is 250 yards or less. Either work just fine for me

Kids and women can shoot it but men can’t. Too funny!

It ain't the cartridge is awesome it's the cult falling with the ignorance that think there's nothing else close...

My beef is with irrational thinking on both sides of the question.

It accurate in factory rifles. Not over complicated.

Was wondering the same thing.

The 260 Remington is a great cartridge especially for hunting. It had nothing to do with a name or marketing. Remington shot themselves in the foot with slow twist barrels that couldn’t take advantage of the long heavy for caliber bullets. That and being a longer case with more body taper longer bullets didn’t fit mag boxes with those longer bullets without seating it further into the case and limiting powder capacity. The 260 Remington also has a shorter neck that doesn’t play as well seating long bullets. Remington is solely to blame for the 260 Remington not taking off.

OK Boomer

How many elk have you seen killed in person? Asking for a friend.

In the 90s I shot a 300 Win Mag for Coues.

I had one for a while. It was a Savage 16 Stainless Weather Warrior. Plenty accurate. Never shot a deer with it but did shoot some varmints and pigs. It wasn't a bit better than my daughter's .243W or .270W for my purposes. I sold it to a girl that I go to church with for exactly what it cost me and she did kill a few deer with it before it burned up in a house fire. If I buy another 6.5 it will be a Grendel for my grand daughter if I can find one in synthetic and stainless left handed. It is low recoil and has about the same trajectory with a 120 grain as a .308W using 150 grain. I figure the .260 Remington is about as good as the CM or Swede but I've never shot a Swede.

The Sammi spec Creedmoors got tge throat and neck spacing right and the lead angle. Many older cartridges are spec'd for more clearance, round nose bullets, slop at the shoulder neck junction etc. Plus the the Creedmoor was spec'd with a longish throat and was a bit shorter case than the say 260 and was also twisted right from the factory. I had done enough customs and compared enough Sammi reamers to match ones to know that the Creedmoor had a lot done right from the start. I also like 30 degree shoulders.

I grew up with a 6mm rem and used one for years and have some sentimentality there but it is really obvious to me now that the Creedmoors are superior designed cartridges especially within your average short action. Doesn't mean a 6mm rem still won't work for an average guy on an average deer hunt but once you start pursuing next level accuracy and consistency and long range the advantages are obvious. There's a reason a lot of match guys aren't running 257 roberts and 6mm rems but your average 1 box a year deer hunter doesn't get it.

Bb

My stepson killed his first deer with a CZ chambered in 6.5 Grendel and 120 grain SST. At moderate ranges I don’t see it giving up anything to a 6.5CM, 6.5 Swede ect. With the 24” barrel on the CZ it’s easy on the ears and obviously very little recoil.

For most of the well inside of 100 yards hunting that we do up here around cedar swamps it works about as well as anything. Great little dear cartridge IMO.

6.5 Creedmoor, 270 Winchester, New Wave, wine coolers, whatever...

I’ve seen a cow elk dropped in it’s tracks on public land at 250ish with a Howa Grendel, 123 SST. SHE didn’t shoot it running, up the poop hole, or in the shoulder socket though.

Wanted a recovered bullet, but alas, the elk couldn’t catch it.

I shoot my 6.5 Creedmoor while wearing shorts and crocs.

Suck it.

What's weird are the guys that think folks like it because of "hype", or think that folks that like it must be ignorant of other substitute rounds, or think folks that like it think it's a better cartridge than everything for everything, or think folks that like it think it's a long range super magnum hammer bazooka.... All in their heads. Weird. I like it and couldn't give a fuuck less what someone else chooses to like, at least not enough to rant about it.

That’s how I kill turkeys with a bow.

Forget about it, 7-08 AI will do the trick, and more....;)

Interesting.........I bet that 30TC is hard to find.....hornady is the only factory source I believe.....

Correct me if I'm wrong


The TC Icon and the hornady 30 TC were a thing back about 20 yrs. Did any other rifle manufacturer dabble in the 30TC?

Creedmoor guys

Screw that! Go buy one and enjoy it. I wanted one and I bought one. You can never own too many rifles. I personally don’t give 2 schitzz what people think about what guns I own.
P. S. Most guys are just making fun for a laugh

Ron

6.5x55 AI

Shoot what ya like.

I find myself grabbing the .243W, .223 and .22mag more and more these days.

Why is it the 6.5CM as opposed to 6.5C since Creedmoor is one word?

Well, what is the difference in the 6.5 Creedmore and the 260 Remington? Both can be short action guns. Both are basically the same diameter. Why make the 6.5 when we already had the 260 Remington and the 6.5 Swede?

https://www.chuckhawks.com/case_capacity_matters.html#:~:text=Therefore%2C%20it%20should%20be%20no%20surprise%20that%20the,Sako%2C%20etc.%29%20and%20loaded%20to%20the%20same%20MAP.

Marketing, marketing, marketing.

Remington adopted a light recoiling round that propelled a decently
aerodynamic (by traditional hunting standards) bullet.
It was fast enough, it was heavy enough (the high BC bullets now aren't much heavier)

And gun writers immediately attacked it.
"Not twisted for long bullets, 140s are where its at, cant fit long bullets.....
Meanwhile, the 243......


Then everyone became a sniper.

The CM came along, touted as a long range round.
Designed to be accurate and propel high BC bullets.

Trend + product + marketing= success.

The majority of the users hunting with it would do just as well with a 260,
7-08, several 25s, or 308 if they didnt mind a bit more recoil.

Hell, a bunch wouldn't notice if the bullets were swapped for round noses.
They might talk across a beer can about how great it is at long range,
But they aren't putting bullets on game at over 150 yards.

Sure, some are. They could do it with a dozen other rounds too.


Don't have one, don't want one.

Have a Swede, like it.
If I get a chance like I did on the Swede, (rifle, dies, brass for what was a good price on the gun) I'd buy a Creed. And use it. As a hunter, it would
likely do what most others do.

Haters gonna hate....6.5 Creedmoor ALL DAY LONG!!!!

Not exactly. The creedmoor and .260 are ballistic equals. The Creedmoor is a little shorter and will allow longer bullets seated closer to the lands without invading the powder column. Both can be used effectively in a short action. The Creedmoor has a little advantage in being able to get accurate factory ammo.
As always it’s up to the individual to choose what he wants.
Cheers.

Oh man. Someone took the old Swede meme that has been around for years and changed it by adding CM to it.

That's not the reason for the shorter Creedmoor case. It is shorter so the ogives of long nosed vld type bullets stay forward of the case mouth when the overall length of the cartridge fits a 2.8" short action magazine.

First things first. Who gives a ffuck what others think ?

Like a moth to a flame, these 6.5CM threads never fail to attract idiots. You deniers do need some new arguments and pics.

No bias here........ha!

Marketing my azz..... Heres the real scoop vvvv. Choose to believe it, or continue on your merry, ignorant way....

I had a guy on my crew that asked a gay guy what cock tasted like. His answer was like pussy on a stick. He didn't ask any more questions.

Why is it Creed fans are so sensitive? Must be something to it. 😆

Building a rifle and handloading for it. The Creed cannot do a thing my Krieger barreled Ruger or Rem 5R, each in 260 will not do.

For those unwilling to handload, and locked into a factory rifle, the Creed checks a few boxes.

The same can be said for 6mm Creed vs 243.

6.5 centimeter?! Good Lord! What are you, artillery?

Maybe the same reason someone made a 308, 300 H&H mag 300 Win, 300 Norma ,308 Norma mag ,30-30 win when the 06 does it all.

You going to lengthen the magazine in that 5R?

I wish someone could explain why it is bad for a "bullet to invade the powder column"?

Opt for a Bergara! Well built and double-dog accurate without spending $4000.00! Had several on my range and with good handloads in 6.5 shoot well to 1000 yards!

It has an AICS box on it.

What length does that allow? I have a 308 that could use some room.

I have a steel AICS type mag made by Accurate that might allow 2.9" Magpul AICS top out at 2.88".

Creedmoor kinda guy!

I will have to check when I get home from work. I shopped specifically for the longest allowable COAL, when I bought the bottom metal and box a couple years ago.

I wil get back in about six hours.

^^^lol

I didn’t know Flave liked the Seattle Mariners.

Lol

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A couple of us high power shooters were using 6.5-08 (.260R) and thought just shorting the case would work better with 142 Sierra's for 300yd where we had to use the magazine. So next barrel we held the reamer back .08 and shortened some dies. The case capacity is almost exactly what Dennis Demille and Hornady came up with in the 6.5 Creedmoor. Its funny, he was shooting a match at Camp Butner at the same time we were just starting to use our 6.5-08 short.

We had piles of .308 brass to play with so why not use it. Made a bunch of brass with a dillon power trimmer.

You have no idea how much I appreciate the questions you ask!

POC

Did you blow the case out removing some taper and give it a 30 degree shoulder?

Never understood the obsession some people have about what other people shoot. It's actually kind of bizarre. I don't have one but I've shot one with good results. Wouldn't say it's any better or worse than other medium caliber guns I've tried. Just buy and shoot whatever you want and don't give a crap about the nosey nannies. To me, with the current market out there, I would be more concerned about premium ammo availability and price than anything else. Some of the "popular" picks either have nothing available or it's like 2 bucks a round.

Speaking of first things, the first sentence in my thread was a serious question. The second sentence was an attempt at humor.

If this is for me, no, we were all about easy and not spending so much money. Just shorten up size dies.

Where is the boomer meme about them crying about the creedmoor? Or waxing poetically about the 1911, 45acp, 30-06...etc...?

I shoot a 6.5 and 6 creed just to piss off old, fat, couch riding boomers

Oh and because its twisted correctly, has the desired dimensions to shoot heavy for caliber bullets, and there is great factory ammunition available. 243 and 260 done properly...

Or how close they identify with an item and become self invested.

Like a chainsaw thread.
"Gotta buy the color I have. Or its junk"

Meanwhile, there are at least 3 manufacturers of top quality saws.
Sold under even more names.

With several other brands providing good service to less demanding users.

Originally Posted by Dixie_Dude
"Well, what is the difference in the 6.5 Creedmore and the 260 Remington? Both can be short action guns. Both are basically the same diameter. Why make the 6.5 when we already had the 260 Remington and the 6.5 Swede?"

One of the most interesting things about 6.5 Creedmoor critics (other than most never having fired one) is the apparent inability to spell Creedmoor correctly.

Well thought out post.

Only women and kids can shoot well enough to smash bulls at 550yds with a 6.5CM.

As Eileen once commented to a well-known gun writer for a major magazine, "Why do men need larger cartridges than women use to kill big game?"

He didn't answer, even though he obviously thought about it.....

Inferiority complex?

"Gotta have a 300 ultra mag to make for my poor fundamentals of marksmanship"

I’m sorry, can you repeat -
Camp BUTTner?

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Whuuwhaat?

That, right there, might be the gayest thing I’ve ever read. Ever.

Passive aggressive spelling bee challenges.

I have a 6.5 Creedmoor, two 6.5 PRC’s, and a 6.5 x 47 Lap.

I also have a 300 Rum.

How’s my marksmanship?







Lol

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Do you have an Inferiority complex?

(You might be cardboard poor or a cheapazz) how shot to schiet does a target need to be...?

I just put the calipers on it. 2.995" inside the box. Branded Accurate Mag.

Inferiority complex, nah...I just laugh when a pussy like you complains about a cartridge that makes you flinch, so you assume it must scare others.

Keep going, Rook. You’re killing it.

Lol

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Well if you don't have an Inferiority complex, my post wasn't addressing you.

However your defensiveness is telling.....................

P.s. if you need cardboard I could send you some...I appreciate your cherry picked "groups" too lol.

Handy, I have some shît groups too. From a new rifle that sucked, and was sent tripping down the road immediately.



If a rifle won’t produce consistent 1 MOA all day, everyday. It’s either gone, or gets gun plumbed until it’s corrected.

Back to shooting a 300 RUM. You afraid you’ll get bit by one? If you know how to properly shoot a rifle, you don’t worry about such things.

Lol

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I have no need for one. Blue whales and mastodon aren't on my to kill list.

I'm a strange guy. I just pick the tool for the job...and I also don't have an Inferiority complex.

You are definitely a strange guy...Maybe stop acting like a woman all the time, and you’ll pull out of that Vaginitis funk you’re always suffering from.

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Rich......says BEAVER lol.

Again with Inferiority complex....let's be honest here, you're just a dumbphucck.

Many of us spend a good bit of time shooting stuff under 400lbs and also appreciate the 6.5’s ballistic efficiency, factory acceptance, ammo/component availability, and moderate recoil, as those factors equate to more shooting time in more scenarios, which is a good thing. Some hate that it’s popular, some hate that it’s not a big magnum, some hate that it’s Version 3.0 of their beloved 6.5 concept, and some just see it for what it is and use the damned thing. I held off on accepting the 9mm Luger for years, for many of the same reasons the Creedmoor haters hate that round, but I came around because it makes the most sense in many instances.

There's nothing wrong with the Creed. If I had an empty safe and were shopping for my first ground squrrel to deer rifle, the Creed would be an acceptable choice.

But since the safe already contains rifles in 243, 6mm-284, 25-06, 7mm-08, 264 Win mag, and three chambered in 260 Rem. And all the associated reloading equipment and brass is already on the bench. There is no justification for a Creed at my house.

This is the best observation of the lack of need for the Creedmoor landslide. The Creedmoor was developed for a very specific shooting discipline, which it does cover, but the following and endorsements of it are way beyond what it deserves for a hunting cartridge…

The Creed is fun to shoot, best thing about it!!

Maybe you should try a 17 Hornet. It and a bunch of other varmint cartridges are fun to shoot hundreds of rounds, all day long…

Up Ho God forbid someone to comment with common sense.

Sure, look here. One of the best places to compete in high power rifle matches on the east coast.
Camp Butner NC

Yes Sir, most folks don't know how it came about. Designed for a shooting game, not so much live game.

The comedic ignorance in this forum gets better and better with each passing day.

Tell that to ScenarShooter.

I have killed and seen some good sized critters killed, with the 6.5 Creed, including the fabled Rocky Mountain Elk, that everyone knows are bullet proof, don't knock it if you haven't tried it. Rio7

Can't really argue with that logic, as many existing shooters/hunters already had their bases covered when the Creedmoor came on the scene. Notwithstanding the esoteric matters like reamer prints, throating geometry, brass quality, and the like, some just don't want to participate in the current "Me Too" movement of the shooting/outdoor crowd that is made up of Vortex, Creedmoor, Glock, and Yeti.

IT Rarely comes out of the safe anymore, so I had to do something and that was to turn it into a varmint rifle. So now I shoot 85gr Sierra HPs and 95 gr Vmax's at 3500-3600 fps and it has found it's purpose in life.

Yup. The 6.5CM works just fine.

It must feel mighty powerful to go through life thinking that you know what others are thinking!

LOL.

Pat a fine fellow but lots of game fell to the 6.5 CM while he was still a .308 Win/155 Scenar guy.

Here is the very first elk and coyote taken with the 6.5mm CM so now you can brag you have seen it. But we all know you have watched it many times.

Sure does......

6.5 Creedmoor enthusiasts

It's not that your post are not funny but you do seem to have lots of homoerotic pictures on hand.

Not Judgin' but just Sayin'.

hanco likes ballistic tips!

Interesting little round, that's liable to stick around awhile. To many rifles sold during the craze for it to go away. Great marketing, reminiscent of the .270 win and 7mm Rem Mag.

That explains his taste in pictures.

Greybull stock holders convention??

When you go near hunting with a Creedmoor

Just another thread for morons to gleefully identify themselves.

The Creedmoor wins matches and slaughters game.

Fucgging hilarious!

Also exposes people with really thin skin....

Camugl kghunt is a Uktard. Probably boosted at least twice

Sorry, but you don't know what you're talking about, on a couple of points.

First, the .270 Winchester did NOT take off when introduced in 1925. It survived, but did not become popular until years later, partly due to the introduction of the Model 70 Winchester in 1937, and partly due to Townsend Whelen, who liked it. Jack O'Connor's regard for the cartridge didn't make much difference until around WWII, when he became a monthly columnist for OUTDOOR LIFE, which was the thin-paper "outdoor" magazine sent to U.S. troops. That was a LONG time after 1925....

The 6.5 Creedmoor was introduced as a target round in 2007, and did OK. But it was only promoted as a target round for several years, which is why it remained relatively obscure. It started becoming popular among hunters after around 2010--when word-of-mouth got around that both factory rifles and ammo were very accurate, and affordable. I know this partly due to being a hunting-gun writer--who NEVER got any press releases about the 6.5 Creedmoor that weren't about target shooting.

Which is why I ignored the round until hunters started noticing it, and hunting rifles started appearing. Only then did the "publicity" start, and it was NOT from Hornady but hunting magazines which had to start publishing articles on the cartridge because readers wanted info. In fact, when I published my first article on the 6.5 Creedmoor in 2010, brass and ammo was still in somewhat short supply--and the long-term existence of the round was still somewhat doubtful. Which is why I worked out a method of fire-forming brass from .22-250 cases, and published it in that first article. (This turned out to be a waste of time, because within a couple of years 6.5 Creedmoor brass was everywhere.)

In fact, one of my magazine editors eventually grew weary of the 6.5 Creedmoor, and refused to run any more articles about it. This was around 2015--but he changed his mind a year or so later because readers were DEMANDING more info on the round.

About that time one of my South African buddies, a PH who also owned a big sporting goods store in Kimberley, told me that 80% of the new rifles he was selling were 6.5 Creedmoors. Why? Because even in RSA, local hunters had found out how well it worked, especially for "culling," killing game for the market-place. They could buy a rifle AND factory ammo that worked as well or better than anything else they'd been using, for less than most other rifles/ammo. And there are very few hunting/shooting magazines over there. Instead, as in the USA, the word got around due to hunters.

I can't remember ever having to justify buying something that I wanted, even if it was redundant to multiple things that I already had.

I like rifles and I like cartridges, so a new rifle or new cartridge is just an itch that needs to be scratched.

Looking for some Lapua 6.5 Creed LRP brass. Anyone have a lead?

Hush up kiddo. The men folk are talking rifles.


JB,

In a way the 6.5MM CM suceeded in spite of the early advertising.

I think it could be said it was the first round where SAAMI specs had chambers, throats, freebore, and ammo that delivered safety and very accurate rifles combined with twist rates that handled long bullets with decent to better than decent BCs.

There has never been a round so well designed that made it through SAAMI.

Add in low recoil and enough killing power.

Velocities fast enough to deliver decent trajectories but also good termial results from cup and core bullets.

The best Goldilocks round so far.

These post certainly shine a bright light on the Creedjesus worshipers whose feelings are easily hurt.

I'll keep an eye out for you.

That's what the chick in the whore house with a glass eye said.

I'm a .308 guy when it comes to hunting short actions.

That said, I just bought a CTR in 6.5 CM. Night coyote zapping with 95 gr. Amax and whatever else up to cow elk inside 400 yards with 140 gr. Norma SP. Maybe a good homestead overwatch rifle too, if it ever comes to that.

Interesting, multi-duty cartridge. How can a rifle loony not like it? Having said that, I don't believe that it's any kind of long-range elk medicine. Cartridges aside, not many shooters are long-range elk medicine, including me.

Guess I'd better start growing out my hair for that manbun. I ain't wearing no tie-dye though. Gotta draw the line somewhere.

I’ve taken a good amount of critters with my 260 which is just a tad hotter than the 6.5 Creed….

Both are a lot like the 7-08, but with slightly better ballistics and the right shoulder & neck length to let you squeeze long pills into your magazine without seating them so deep you worry about it.

I will probably put a 6.5 barrel on my AR10 build because I don’t want 2 uppers… and 7-08/260/6.5 Creed chambering are just flexible for yotes, and deer.. hogs, … even PRS.. a 308 would be my choice if I spent more time deer hunting, and less time shooting at competitions.

.[/quote] JB,

In a way the 6.5MM CM suceeded in spite of the early advertising.

I think it could be said it was the first round where SAAMI specs had chambers, throats, freebore, and ammo that delivered safety and very accurate rifles combined with twist rates that handled long bullets with decent to better than decent BCs.

There has never been a round so well designed that made it through SAAMI.

Add in low recoil and enough killing power.

Velocities fast enough to deliver decent trajectories but also good termial results from cup and core bullets.

The best Goldilocks round so far.[/quote]

All excellent points--and exactly what I found after actually using the round more than a little bit for the last dozen years!

In fact, as I've mentioned before, have continued to buy factory 6.5 Creedmoor rifles to see how well they shoot, especially with factory ammo. So far there's only been one disappointment, but suspect it was due to the the rifle's stock, as I just bought another of the same brand but with a much improved stock, and it shoots very well.

John

I'm a 256 Newton fan. Heck of a cartridege, but the timing of its introduction was all wrong, the start of WW1, so the rifles that Charles Newton had contracted to be built by Mauser in Germany were no longer available and setting up a manufacturing operation to build rifles on an action of your own design proved to be easier said than done.

Where is it written that we all have be just alike?

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I suspect that I am like the vast majority of the shooting public in that I have a limited budget, a portion of which may be spent on a shooting/reloading hobby.

So yes, some justification must occur, and some choices preclude other choices.

I have found it unwise to attempt to spend the same dollar more than once.

JB,

In a way the 6.5MM CM suceeded in spite of the early advertising.

I think it could be said it was the first round where SAAMI specs had chambers, throats, freebore, and ammo that delivered safety and very accurate rifles combined with twist rates that handled long bullets with decent to better than decent BCs.

There has never been a round so well designed that made it through SAAMI.

Add in low recoil and enough killing power.

Velocities fast enough to deliver decent trajectories but also good termial results from cup and core bullets.

The best Goldilocks round so far.[/quote]

All excellent points--and exactly what I found after actually using the round more than a little bit for the last dozen years!

In fact, as I've mentioned before, have continued to buy factory 6.5 Creedmoor rifles to see how well they shoot, especially with factory ammo. So far there's only been one disappointment, but suspect it was due to the the rifle's stock, as I just bought another of the same brand but with a much improved stock, and it shoots very well.

John[/quote]

John, those are exactly the sentiments I expressed when buying the 260 soon after its factory introduction. It was designed to do perfectly that which I wanted done.

Later I decided to delve into longer bullets, faster twist barrels, and longer magazines.

Had the Creedmoor been introduced first, I would have been as happy working with it.

Today, there is nothing I could do with a Creedmoor that I can not do with one of my 260s. But yes, my rifles have been modified to do it.

Small add to the comments -

Accuracy wise - it’s the Brass spec to Chamber spec’s that make it accurate - meaning it’s NOT JUST the chamber spec.

Some of the best gunsmiths have known this for years and buy custom chamber reamers to keep these types of tolerances between the brass and the chamber.. couple it with precision chambering and you get a tack driver as long as the barrel is good..


Cartridge design wise - it’s making the brass optimal for shooting longer pills for longer distance accuracy (barrel makers jumped up twists as well) that are seated more optimally and still fit in the magazine..


But for accuracy the chamber to brass spec if most likely the biggest factor..

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JB,

In a way the 6.5MM CM suceeded in spite of the early advertising.

I think it could be said it was the first round where SAAMI specs had chambers, throats, freebore, and ammo that delivered safety and very accurate rifles combined with twist rates that handled long bullets with decent to better than decent BCs.

There has never been a round so well designed that made it through SAAMI.

Add in low recoil and enough killing power.

Velocities fast enough to deliver decent trajectories but also good termial results from cup and core bullets.

The best Goldilocks round so far.[/quote]

All excellent points--and exactly what I found after actually using the round more than a little bit for the last dozen years!

In fact, as I've mentioned before, have continued to buy factory 6.5 Creedmoor rifles to see how well they shoot, especially with factory ammo. So far there's only been one disappointment, but suspect it was due to the the rifle's stock, as I just bought another of the same brand but with a much improved stock, and it shoots very well.

John[/quote]

Yup.

Last season my buddy and I were glassing a cow elk out past 450 yards. Given a choice, that's just a tad further than I wanted to use the CM on.

So, we swapped rifles - my CM for his PRC - using the same bullet, and got the job done with that little extra MV insurance.

Doesn't mean I'm gonna buy a PRC. Nice cartridge, nice rifle, but the CM will do nicely.

6.5 Creedmoor hate/disdain/dislike seems to usually be based on what it is not rather than on what it is. Although, that seems to be "most" people's positions with respect to most cartridge and caliber debates.

I certainly don't hate it. Were it not for the 6.5 Creedchrist we might not have a truly good chambering like the 6.5 PRC.

AND it's the throat diameter spec to bullet diameter relationship.

Folks are mostly laughing at the hype and some of the overly excited tool bags doing the hyping.

The Creed bro is what it is. Virtually a replica of several other 6.5’s that have been around for about ever. Just in a modern package.

The modern package is the point, and not just from a marketing perspective in case you've neglected to read what JB posted above.

Hence not a replica.... Sigh.

Creed threads are never not entertaining.
'Bout like pick up or saw threads.

Generally, "you gotta have what I got, 'cause that confirms me".

vs


"If it's different than what I got..."



Said it before, it does nothing I need,
I got a Swede! (And load for it)
Also standard and Magnums all around it.


Friend has a Christenson something in a Creed he won.
Let him offer to sell it too cheap, I'd jump.
Dad needs something lighter than the old Vanguard 7mag anchor
he totes. Bet he would kill deer with a 120BT.


And yet, this, like the last post, will trigger someone into thinking
it's a post against the round.
Hell, it's support.
Just because there is nothing saying it's better, doesn't mean it's bad.

If shooting steel plates at some distance was my game, it's probably
the round I'd choose. It's so suited to it, it's almost like it was built for it!

No disrespect intended. You got that right, it is never a good idea to spend money that isn't discretionary on hobbies or spending the same dollar twice.

Through my church, I coached people who have gotten themselves into a financial hole through credit card debt, helping them learn to set a budget and stick to it until they'd gotten themselves out of that hole. Sadly, there seems to be about a 50% recidivism rate for those who sought help from this mentoring program getting back into debt that they couldn't pay off within a month or two.

I was talking strictly from a point off case capacity and bullet size/weight. 140’s at 2700ish fps has been done for decades.

The faster twist and case slightly shorter doesn’t make it a giant killer. It makes it a common sense package that handles high BC bullets.

Folks make fun of the crazy gun counter claims is the point.

What will a Creed do that a 6.5-06 won’t do better? Asking for a friend.

Fit in a short action.

Duh!

Ask your wise "friend" the last time he/she/they saw 6.5-06 ammo on the shelf.

Not over-penetrate? 😊

True!

He makes his own, has several hundred 6.5-06 cases, Quality makes them I think. He likes the hell out of this rifle, Doumolin Mauser action, hell on piggies!

I'll bet you don't have that problem.

That’s funny

It’s enough to bruise up your tonsils, but you knew that already. 😆

🤣🤣🤣

Nothing wrong with the 6.5-06, 6.5 Sweed, .260 Rem. or any other of many cartridges. The Creedmoor legitimized the 6.5 in this country. The Sweed is difficult to get brass for and is a handloading proposition. The 6.5-06 is a handloading proposition. The .260 is like so many other Remington adventures it was a stepchild. It is also largely a handloading proposition. The Creedmoor is supported by good factory ammo from the start. It was originally offered in a fast twist to stabilize heavier bullets.
Perhaps it's greatest contribution to the shooting public is a splendid topic of largely useless debate on the merits of just about every other cartridge ever conceived.

Well played. That made me laugh.

To whom would that.be a consideration?

Have they even made factory ammo, the last thirty years? Not for me. Snicker and grin.

Best thing about the 6.5 Creedmoor? It paved the way for the 6.5 PRC!!!!

Oh, I'm with ya there.

But folks pi$$ing on the 6.5 Creedmoor really have a tough time grasping why it's so popular when in fact, it's pretty crystal clear.
But beotches be beotches.

I have a new one: EBRD

Did it hurt when you laughed?

Fit a short action and be gtg off the shelf.

Thanks.
Mr Redundant.

Yes, and how many times to I have to tell you not to bite when I laugh. Next time I'll tell you with a closed hand.

This is the best answer I have seen. Good marketing, and good factory ammo for those who don't reload. However, I will stick with my 308 which has killed every deer I have shot since 1992 with one shot kills. If I wanted to shoot long range, I would probably use a 300 WM which also has good factory ammo availability in most places or a 7mm Rem mag.

Availability of factory ammo is a must now-a-days with short ammo supply. When the supply was really bad about 6 months ago, the first things that came back in stock were 223/5.56, 308, and 9mm. This is what most people use today for all their hunting and self defense needs. I couldn't find any shotgun shells other than 28 gauge for a while.

I know 2 guys that hunt with a 6.5 cm. They make a nice couple

As mentioned earlier, I have owned rifles for several 6.5 rounds, including the 6.5x54mm Mannlicher-Schoenauer, 6.4x54mm Mauser (a real obscure one), 6.5 Creedmoor, .260 Remington, 6.5x55, .264 Winchester Magnum, 26 Nosler, 6.5-.300 Weatherby Magnum and--yes!--the 6.5-06.

My 6.5-06 was a medium heavy-barreled E.R. Shaw, and VERY accurate, regularly putting three 140-grain Berger Hunting VLDs in three inches at 600 yards. I hunted with it some, for everything from varmints to deer-sized game, and it killed them fine. But I had to handload for it.

Have also owned more than one factory 6.5 Creedmoor that was just as accurate, and not only with handloads but factory ammo. Have killed deer-sized game with them just as far as I ever did with the 6.5-06--both with factory ammo and handloads. The Creedmoors kicked less, though the 6.5-06 was by no means a hard kicker. But if you want to practice a lot at longer ranges, lighter recoil does help, and so does longer barrel life, another advantage of the 6.5 Creedmoor over the 6.5-06.

Many get confused and think that just because 6.5mm CM does not offer more energy than other similar rounds it's not different.

It's very different for for the vast majority of hunters and shooters that don't reload, want easy reloading, or want platforms such as the AR.

Exactly.

And no matter how many times that is stated some refuse to see past “but my Swede runs 100 fps faster handloaded in my favorite long action deer rifle.” No shade on the Swede but it’s apples to oranges.