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Probably a good idea to watch this one.

More underhanded gun registry and persecution.

Unconstitutional as hell, of course. Slipped in through congress on a spending bill it seems.

SOBs. We made a mistake allowing this NICs BS to start with. Just another camel's nose under the tent.
Another reason to have a CCL. As stated in the video, The FFL doesn't notify NICS the FFL just files the 4473 and you walk out the store with your firearm with no phone calls made.
Originally Posted by MPat70
Another reason to have a CCL. As stated in the video, The FFL doesn't notify NICS the FFL just files the 4473 and you walk out the store with your firearm with no phone calls made.

Not in all states.
That's just the beginning. Just wait until they make speeding & parking tickets a felony offense. They're gonna shut you down one way or the other.
Let’s not forget, this Government we speak of, these alphabet agencies like the FBI, ATF, DOJ that are working overtime to find was to violate our rights, imprison law abiding citizens etc., are not just Things, or distant entities, they are made up of PEOPLE, real people, your friends, your neighbors, your relatives, the guy behind you at the grocery store, people ready willing and able to do whatever they can to please their Master.

As a wise man here on The Fire said, “ if it weren’t for LE, politicians would just be some people with bad ideas”.
Originally Posted by Cheesy
Originally Posted by MPat70
Another reason to have a CCL. As stated in the video, The FFL doesn't notify NICS the FFL just files the 4473 and you walk out the store with your firearm with no phone calls made.

Not in all states.
Including NM.
Still need the FFL to cal it in - no exceptions.
Originally Posted by mark shubert
Originally Posted by Cheesy
Originally Posted by MPat70
Another reason to have a CCL. As stated in the video, The FFL doesn't notify NICS the FFL just files the 4473 and you walk out the store with your firearm with no phone calls made.

Not in all states.
Including NM.
Still need the FFL to cal it in - no exceptions.

Since 5head took over its that way in michigan too.
Originally Posted by MPat70
Another reason to have a CCL. As stated in the video, The FFL doesn't notify NICS the FFL just files the 4473 and you walk out the store with your firearm with no phone calls made.
Oddly, we don't have that in Florida. I've had a Florida CCW license for over twenty years, and have never been able to skip NICS.
Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
Originally Posted by MPat70
Another reason to have a CCL. As stated in the video, The FFL doesn't notify NICS the FFL just files the 4473 and you walk out the store with your firearm with no phone calls made.
Oddly, we don't have that in Florida. I've had a Florida CCW license for over twenty years, and have never been able to skip NICS.
The feds only allow it in states that have a ccw background check equal to or greater than their federal BC.
We need to be rid of the entire system of gun control. This is costing taxpayers millions. Government NEVER can be trusted to do anything except screw the citizens. It’s about Power and Control.
Originally Posted by BeardedGunsmith
Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
Originally Posted by MPat70
Another reason to have a CCL. As stated in the video, The FFL doesn't notify NICS the FFL just files the 4473 and you walk out the store with your firearm with no phone calls made.
Oddly, we don't have that in Florida. I've had a Florida CCW license for over twenty years, and have never been able to skip NICS.
The feds only allow it in states that have a ccw background check equal to or greater than their federal BC.

There you are wrong. Nebraska didn’t have CHP’s until 2007, but since 98 when NICS fired up I have had a NICS check in 99, 02, 05 and 08 when I got my CHP. Now it’s one every 5 years. In 93 states had the choice of setting up their own POC system or join NICS to comply with Brady. Nebraska and other states decided to set up a POC and institute a handgun purchasers permit. To this day the purchaser permit is still accepted as an alternative just like CHP. The states that decided to forgo their own license/POC to comply with Brady are pretty much screwed even with CCW.
Originally Posted by MPat70
Another reason to have a CCL. As stated in the video, The FFL doesn't notify NICS the FFL just files the 4473 and you walk out the store with your firearm with no phone calls made.
Oddly, we don't have that in Florida. I've had a Florida CCW license for over twenty years, and have never been able to skip NICS.
The waffen BATFEces are an enemy occupation force.
I believe after 3 anyway (I have some experience of this) denials they throw a red flag to the ATF anyway. Not saying it's right or wrong it's just what it is. But if the part about being delayed is truly going to give your number and stuff this is concerning. A delay can be as little as their behind. Or as much as someone trying to fake ID it . Getting delayed does not mean you have something in your background or any problem at all it may totally be their problem..
I’ve been put under a delay on two of my last 3 gun purchases. The explication was because of the overwhelming amount of 4473’s needing to be processed. If they come back to me saying we need more personal information from you to proceed I will have to say “never mind cancel it”. The worst thing about that is, what if it’s a transaction from an online purchase or doing a transaction from someone here on the fire what do you do? You’ve already paid the seller for the gun? You’ll be stuck in having to provide more information.
Originally Posted by mark shubert
Originally Posted by Cheesy
Originally Posted by MPat70
Another reason to have a CCL. As stated in the video, The FFL doesn't notify NICS the FFL just files the 4473 and you walk out the store with your firearm with no phone calls made.

Not in all states.
Including NM.
Still need the FFL to cal it in - no exceptions.
Same in WI.
Originally Posted by Cheesy
Originally Posted by MPat70
Another reason to have a CCL. As stated in the video, The FFL doesn't notify NICS the FFL just files the 4473 and you walk out the store with your firearm with no phone calls made.

Not in all states.

Yeah, try that in Walmart.Can't speak for all their stores but I'll bet big money it's corporate policy. The will not recognize your CCW and it be check through the Fugging Bastard Idiots or the highway. Cost them a fairly big sale by me not too long ago. I have a CCW. They refused to accept it. Told the guy to take the three guns and use them as suppositories sideways.
PJ
A Michigan CPL bypassed a 4473 until marijuana was legalized a few years ago.
Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
Originally Posted by MPat70
Another reason to have a CCL. As stated in the video, The FFL doesn't notify NICS the FFL just files the 4473 and you walk out the store with your firearm with no phone calls made.
Oddly, we don't have that in Florida. I've had a Florida CCW license for over twenty years, and have never been able to skip NICS.

Interesting. I don't go thru that in NC.
The irony can’t be overstated on Liberal States and Federal politicians trying to make a ‘Loophole’ to circumvent SCOTUS latest ruling on NYC for carry a concealed firearm.

There is no middle ground with the anti-gun lobby. They want all firearms banned, period.

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One of the reasons I will not use computers to run 4473s is the simple fact everything on them goes to NICS. If they are building a registry your info, all of it, goes to them immediately. Called in, only your name, description, ID info, etc goes in. Your address and the specifications of your gun do not.
Originally Posted by PJGunner
Originally Posted by Cheesy
Originally Posted by MPat70
Another reason to have a CCL. As stated in the video, The FFL doesn't notify NICS the FFL just files the 4473 and you walk out the store with your firearm with no phone calls made.

Not in all states.

Yeah, try that in Walmart.Can't speak for all their stores but I'll bet big money it's corporate policy. The will not recognize your CCW and it be check through the Fugging Bastard Idiots or the highway. Cost them a fairly big sale by me not too long ago. I have a CCW. They refused to accept it. Told the guy to take the three guns and use them as suppositories sideways.
PJ
I have done FFL to FFL transfers at Walmart here.
Originally Posted by Oldelkhunter
Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
Originally Posted by MPat70
Another reason to have a CCL. As stated in the video, The FFL doesn't notify NICS the FFL just files the 4473 and you walk out the store with your firearm with no phone calls made.
Oddly, we don't have that in Florida. I've had a Florida CCW license for over twenty years, and have never been able to skip NICS.

Interesting. I don't go thru that in NC.
Back when I had a NYS concealed carry permit, I was able to skip NICS in NYS. I think they've changed that since then, though.
Originally Posted by PJGunner
Originally Posted by Cheesy
Originally Posted by MPat70
Another reason to have a CCL. As stated in the video, The FFL doesn't notify NICS the FFL just files the 4473 and you walk out the store with your firearm with no phone calls made.

Not in all states.

Yeah, try that in Walmart.Can't speak for all their stores but I'll bet big money it's corporate policy. The will not recognize your CCW and it be check through the Fugging Bastard Idiots or the highway. Cost them a fairly big sale by me not too long ago. I have a CCW. They refused to accept it. Told the guy to take the three guns and use them as suppositories sideways.
PJ




He's too stupid to care.
Just more reasons for obtaining your guns on the secondary market with no paperwork. I realize that is more difficult in some states than others. In FL, it’s the way to go.
Are all these permits photo I.D.s, like Tx.?
Originally Posted by 22250rem
That's just the beginning. Just wait until they make speeding & parking tickets a felony offense. They're gonna shut you down one way or the other.
That had never occurred to me. I think that is a very real possibility.
Originally Posted by PJGunner
Originally Posted by Cheesy
Originally Posted by MPat70
Another reason to have a CCL. As stated in the video, The FFL doesn't notify NICS the FFL just files the 4473 and you walk out the store with your firearm with no phone calls made.

Not in all states.

Yeah, try that in Walmart.Can't speak for all their stores but I'll bet big money it's corporate policy. The will not recognize your CCW and it be check through the Fugging Bastard Idiots or the highway. Cost them a fairly big sale by me not too long ago. I have a CCW. They refused to accept it. Told the guy to take the three guns and use them as suppositories sideways.
PJ


IMO anybody who buys a gun at walmart deserves whatever he gets. Gun stores everywhere struggling to survive. Walmart is for dipshits.
Pretty easy for them to figure out I have guns. It's going to be hard to remember who I traded a few to over the years. I can see it now. Where is the 22 rifle you bought in 1991?

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