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After investing billions to adhere to President Joe Biden’s green energy agenda, General Motors (GM) is backtracking on all fronts when it comes to Electric Vehicles (EVs).

GM CEO Mary Barra, a close ally of Biden’s, has said the automaker will not begin to attempt to produce 400,000 EVs from 2022 through mid-2024 as initially planned. GM is also delaying retooling its plant in Orion Township, Michigan, to build EV pickup trucks.

Days ago, GM had to begin offering owners of its Chevy Bolt about $1,400 to install a diagnostic program to determine if the vehicle’s EV battery is defective. The move came after GM had to recall all of its Chevy Bolts due to the EV battery issues and a class action settlement over the battery problems is anticipated in the near future.

In addition, GM executives are having to delay launching a number of their EV models such as the Chevrolet Equinox EV, the Chevrolet Silverado EV RST, and the GMC Sierra EV Denali.

Those launch delays have coincided with GM and Honda ending their billion-dollar joint venture to produce affordable EVs for Americans as well as markets in South America and China.

The end of that joint venture comes as demand for EVs among Americans has plummeted with the all-electric cars staying on dealership lots for an average of 65 days — way up from last year’s average of about 21 days.

“The American public is not ready for the broad adoption of electric vehicles. There are maybe 10 percent to 12 percent of people who really want an electric vehicle … the remainder still want internal combustion,” former GM executive Bob Lutz said this week.

While GM stumbles, China is ready to flood the U.S. market with cheap EVs.

Breitbart News Senior Editor-at-Large Rebecca Mansour has long warned that without major investment in domestic manufacturing and auto workers, steep tariffs, and time for American automakers to adjust, China will dominate the EV industry.

“A Biden-led administration’s rapid push towards an all-electric future ..... rushed and without tariffs, most of this will likely end up in China — just like all the rest of American manufacturing thanks to decades of failed trade policies like Joe Biden’s.”

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Tariffs? I'm sure Elon would be thrilled.

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not sure the value of flooding the market with cheap EVs - I guess demand will eventually get charging stations numerous but until they figure out how to make it more convenient to get from a long point A to B, the marketplace will not want one.
It’s a fools errand with current battery technology. And without government handouts no one is going to buy unless forced.
Just talk with anyone that works for a power company, they will tell you the grid cannot handle everyone driving an EV. The US is 20-30 years out before that can even happen.
And we have an abundance of electrical generating capacity.
Originally Posted by BOBBALEE
And we have an abundance of electrical generating capacity.
Yes Texas proves it whenever it gets hot or cold. Im sure you are bing sarcastic.
It’s no better up here. We were lucky last winter.
Norway leads the way in EV sales percentage wise with 87% of new sales being EVs.

The EU follows with 13% of new sales and the USA at 7% of new sales.

No mention was made of the actual numbers of vehicles per country.

WSJ, Vox
Solar powered roadways are the only way EVs really work. The roadways themselves are the bulk of the power for every compatible vehicle. Signage is on the roadway itself and the road communicates with each vehicle updating the conditions ahead allowing the drivers to continue to sleep while the vehicle and the road takes him to work. No snow removal or icing will be needed again since the road is heated….

…otherwise the technology for green vehicles will be something that’s actually “green” like hydrogen and something that actually works (like hydrogen) and makes sense unlike EVs attached to a grid too weak to support the current demands with less than 5% EV ownership…100% EVs? Lol…30%? 20%? GMAFB

They won’t be satisfied until we are dead or enslaved, submitting to their total control over our lives and our movements so EVs and electric roads with self driving technology along with AI and we are good and well fuc.ked!
The quickest path to bankruptcy - build something that no one wants.
Originally Posted by Hudge
Just talk with anyone that works for a power company, they will tell you the grid cannot handle everyone driving an EV. The US is 20-30 years out before that can even happen.


I cannot understand why this is not a part of the discussion. You're going to have to generate the power to charge all these electric cars somehow, and it seems everyone is putting the cart before the horse---literally.

The whole concept at this point amounts to nothing but arbitrary change for the sake of change, and therefore completely stupid.
Originally Posted by AcesNeights
They won’t be satisfied until we are dead or enslaved, submitting to their total control over our lives and our movements so EVs and electric roads with self driving technology along with AI and we are good and well fuc.ked!

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Originally Posted by SupFoo
Originally Posted by AcesNeights
They won’t be satisfied until we are dead or enslaved, submitting to their total control over our lives and our movements so EVs and electric roads with self driving technology along with AI and we are good and well fuc.ked!

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For that to happen one must comply. That ain't happening for 50% of the Republic.
Originally Posted by Houston_2
Norway leads the way in EV sales percentage wise with 87% of new sales being EVs.

The EU follows with 13% of new sales and the USA at 7% of new sales.

No mention was made of the actual numbers of vehicles per country.

WSJ, Vox

Norwegians prefer an enclosed car rather then a bike in extremely cold weather. grin We probably have more roads in a small state then they have in their entire country. Just a Guess
Originally Posted by KFWA
not sure the value of flooding the market with cheap EVs - I guess demand will eventually get charging stations numerous but until they figure out how to make it more convenient to get from a long point A to B, the marketplace will not want one.

Charging stations aren't needed for around town use where most do 90% of their driving. All it takes is a 220 outlet in your garage.
The ENTIRE auto industry is facing collapse. Not just EVs. Nobody is buying $100,000 pickups or $85,000 cars. The recent strike settlement is going to make that even worse! New cars are already sitting unsold on dealer lots for upwards of 200 days. That's unsustainable. Just the interest the dealers pay to have them sitting there will bankrupt many dealerships. It's already happening.
There are 260-265 million cars in the US, how do they all charge daily? How will they charge in urban areas like NYC? Run charging cords out to the street? Can we pump enough oil to charge our “green energy” cars?

Hint, I worked for EPA in the NYC office for 27 years and the New Jersey office for my last 10 years and we got rid of our electric cars because there wasn’t anywhere to charge them other than the home office in New Jersey. In the NYC office the mailroom guys had to take them over to Brooklyn Union Gas in Brooklyn to charge them, sometimes they waited, sometimes they took the subway back to the office and then had to go back to Brooklyn and get them to bring them to the office in Manhattan.

Maybe someone should ask Numnuts Joe Biden about this!
Originally Posted by Sako76
Hint, I worked for EPA in the NYC office for 27 years and the New Jersey office for my last 10 years and we got rid of our electric cars because there wasn’t anywhere to charge them other than the home office in New Jersey. In the NYC office the mailroom guys had to take them over to Brooklyn Union Gas in Brooklyn to charge them, sometimes they waited, sometimes they took the subway back to the office and then had to go back to Brooklyn and get them to bring them to the office in Manhattan.

Maybe someone should ask Numnuts Joe Biden about this!

LoL. Great story Sako76. Wonder how many more stories are out there like that?
I have a Jeep Rubicon plug in hybrid. I'm retired, and drive less than 6000 miles a year. I've had my Jeep for two years and just turned 8400 on it. Most times it runs off battery, and the range is 25 miles. This works for me. Recharging is about 5 bucks a month. Temps below 20 degrees and the battery is a sad joke, and I'm lucky to get a third of the rated 25 miles. But, most of the time it isn't that cold and I average about 40 mpg with 33 inch tires and two lockers. The engine's computer makes the engine run every 90 days if the tank hasn't emptied. I get about 800 miles out of a 18-gallon tank. I am not sold on EVs, but I fill my Jeep without fail once a quarter for less than 50 bucks. My last vehicle was the F350 with the mighty 7.3 diesel. Here in Colorado, even with the small tank, it was eye-watering to fill.
Originally Posted by Oldelkhunter
Originally Posted by Houston_2
Norway leads the way in EV sales percentage wise with 87% of new sales being EVs.

The EU follows with 13% of new sales and the USA at 7% of new sales.

No mention was made of the actual numbers of vehicles per country.

WSJ, Vox

Norwegians prefer an enclosed car rather then a bike in extremely cold weather. grin We probably have more roads in a small state then they have in their entire country. Just a Guess

True.

The Greenies like touting that Norway 87% number.
Originally Posted by Lee_Woiteshek
I have a Jeep Rubicon plug in hybrid. I'm retired, and drive less than 6000 miles a year. I've had my Jeep for two years and just turned 8400 on it. Most times it runs off battery, and the range is 25 miles. This works for me. Recharging is about 5 bucks a month. Temps below 20 degrees and the battery is a sad joke, and I'm lucky to get a third of the rated 25 miles. But, most of the time it isn't that cold and I average about 40 mpg with 33 inch tires and two lockers. The engine's computer makes the engine run every 90 days if the tank hasn't emptied. I get about 800 miles out of a 18-gallon tank. I am not sold on EVs, but I fill my Jeep without fail once a quarter for less than 50 bucks. My last vehicle was the F350 with the mighty 7.3 diesel. Here in Colorado, even with the small tank, it was eye-watering to fill.


Hybrids have their place in the future.
Originally Posted by SupFoo
LoL. Great story Sako76. Wonder how many more stories are out there like that?


Many less than the number of stories about someone who's owned an EV for a few years and not been stymied by the mystery of the universe known as "charging a battery."

Because those stories are not news, and not picked up and re-posted ad nauseum
Letter to self: don't believe Joe Biden... at all. End of letter.
GM announced that they were going to slip the production at Lk Orion until 2025 before the strike started. And as far as retooling, that equipment was ordered a few years ago and the majority of it has already been installed. It takes a few years to get debuged, iron out the issue and ramp up production to the normal output of the plant.
if the [bleep] were really serious about "saving the environment" then they'd be pushing hydrogen powered vehicles. EVs are a joke. Have you read about municipalities that sunk millions into battery powered city busses that are now sitting unused because they SUCK?
Originally Posted by Lee_Woiteshek
I have a Jeep Rubicon plug in hybrid. I'm retired, and drive less than 6000 miles a year. I've had my Jeep for two years and just turned 8400 on it. Most times it runs off battery, and the range is 25 miles. This works for me. Recharging is about 5 bucks a month. Temps below 20 degrees and the battery is a sad joke, and I'm lucky to get a third of the rated 25 miles. But, most of the time it isn't that cold and I average about 40 mpg with 33 inch tires and two lockers. The engine's computer makes the engine run every 90 days if the tank hasn't emptied. I get about 800 miles out of a 18-gallon tank. I am not sold on EVs, but I fill my Jeep without fail once a quarter for less than 50 bucks. My last vehicle was the F350 with the mighty 7.3 diesel. Here in Colorado, even with the small tank, it was eye-watering to fill.

Something like that would work for me, aside from the need to drop $60K or so on a new vehicle, which ain’t happening. I don’t see the Chicoms flooding our market with cheap electric cars as long as the charging infrastructure is lacking, and the idea of building more charging stations without also building up the power supply is doomed to failure, typical Democrat planning.

China BTW, went all out on EV cabs a few years back, and now they have thousands of them parked en masse because that idea didn’t pan out as expected. Considering all the EV battery fires in the news, does anyone really want to trust their tender azzes to Chinese notions of safety standards for such vehicles?
Bail outs for the big 3 in 1,2,3.
Originally Posted by STRSWilson
Originally Posted by SupFoo
Originally Posted by AcesNeights
They won’t be satisfied until we are dead or enslaved, submitting to their total control over our lives and our movements so EVs and electric roads with self driving technology along with AI and we are good and well fuc.ked!

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For that to happen one must comply. That ain't happening for 50% of the Republic.

Just STFU old man.

LOL
Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by STRSWilson
Originally Posted by SupFoo
Originally Posted by AcesNeights
They won’t be satisfied until we are dead or enslaved, submitting to their total control over our lives and our movements so EVs and electric roads with self driving technology along with AI and we are good and well fuc.ked!

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For that to happen one must comply. That ain't happening for 50% of the Republic.

Just STFU old man.

LOL

^^
F’kn obnoxious drunkard.
Houston 2 kghunts,


How’s that Ukrainian offensive working?

About as well as your COVID shots?

LOL

You fugking idiot.
There has been a lot of work done with solid state batteries that can be recharged in 5 minutes and have over 900 mile range according to Toyoda. Tesla's charging stations work on higher voltage for quicker charges, that is why other car companies are going to use Tesla's chargers. All new technology takes about 30 years to become mainstream. They are pushing to get electric cars to take over. They won't overcome gasoline until about 2050. Prices have to come down. Charging times have to come down. Range has to increase. Grid is not ready either. Texas has enough windmills in west Texas to power east Texas, but only about 20% can get to east Texas because they haven't built the transmission lines. They have to get easements, rights of ways, etc, to build them. This goes through hundreds of property owners. New technology doesn't magically take over.
Originally Posted by deflave
Houston 2 kghunts,


How’s that Ukrainian offensive working?

About as well as your COVID shots?

LOL

You fugking idiot.

Uh oh,,,the obnoxious drunkard is triggered.
Oh my, time to update your biases again trolls. Toyoda now is going all in on electrifying their vehicles, including full electric vehicles!

Toyota (TM) is now doubling down on building out its battery capacity in the US. On Tuesday, the automaker announced it will be expanding its investment at its North Carolina battery manufacturing plant (TBMNC) by nearly $8 billion, an investment that will also add approximately 3,000 new jobs. Toyota says this new investment brings its total outlay to the upcoming facility to $13.9 billion, with 5,000 jobs created in total.

The Liberty-based plant will make batteries for Toyota’s EVs and PHEVs (plug-in hybrid electric vehicles). Toyota says eight additional production lines will now be added to the two previously announced lines, with the ability to create 30 GWh annually by 2030. Assuming a 50kWh battery size, that would mean an annual capacity of 600,000 EV battery packs a year.


Click Here!

So remember Toyoda trolls, electric vehicles are now good!
Originally Posted by Dixie_Dude
There has been a lot of work done with solid state batteries that can be recharged in 5 minutes and have over 900 mile range according to Toyoda. Tesla's charging stations work on higher voltage for quicker charges, that is why other car companies are going to use Tesla's chargers. All new technology takes about 30 years to become mainstream. They are pushing to get electric cars to take over. They won't overcome gasoline until about 2050. Prices have to come down. Charging times have to come down. Range has to increase. Grid is not ready either. Texas has enough windmills in west Texas to power east Texas, but only about 20% can get to east Texas because they haven't built the transmission lines. They have to get easements, rights of ways, etc, to build them. This goes through hundreds of property owners. New technology doesn't magically take over.
you are wrong. I read those batteries can go 9000 miles and charge in 45 seconds. also the total cost for all the new tech batteries for an EV is 4 dollars
EVs only work economically in Norway because they have a cheap abundance of hydroelectric energy.
Originally Posted by walt501
Oh my, time to update your biases again trolls. Toyoda now is going all in on electrifying their vehicles, including full electric vehicles!

Toyota (TM) is now doubling down on building out its battery capacity in the US. On Tuesday, the automaker announced it will be expanding its investment at its North Carolina battery manufacturing plant (TBMNC) by nearly $8 billion, an investment that will also add approximately 3,000 new jobs. Toyota says this new investment brings its total outlay to the upcoming facility to $13.9 billion, with 5,000 jobs created in total.

The Liberty-based plant will make batteries for Toyota’s EVs and PHEVs (plug-in hybrid electric vehicles). Toyota says eight additional production lines will now be added to the two previously announced lines, with the ability to create 30 GWh annually by 2030. Assuming a 50kWh battery size, that would mean an annual capacity of 600,000 EV battery packs a year.


Click Here!

So remember Toyoda trolls, electric vehicles are now good!

Exxon is getting into lithium production in a big way in the Magnolia, Arkansas area with dibs on lots of acreage.
Originally Posted by Houston_2
Originally Posted by walt501
Oh my, time to update your biases again trolls. Toyoda now is going all in on electrifying their vehicles, including full electric vehicles!

Toyota (TM) is now doubling down on building out its battery capacity in the US. On Tuesday, the automaker announced it will be expanding its investment at its North Carolina battery manufacturing plant (TBMNC) by nearly $8 billion, an investment that will also add approximately 3,000 new jobs. Toyota says this new investment brings its total outlay to the upcoming facility to $13.9 billion, with 5,000 jobs created in total.

The Liberty-based plant will make batteries for Toyota’s EVs and PHEVs (plug-in hybrid electric vehicles). Toyota says eight additional production lines will now be added to the two previously announced lines, with the ability to create 30 GWh annually by 2030. Assuming a 50kWh battery size, that would mean an annual capacity of 600,000 EV battery packs a year.


Click Here!

So remember Toyoda trolls, electric vehicles are now good!

Exxon is getting into lithium production in a big way in the Magnolia, Arkansas area with dibs on lots of acreage.
Hey Dicky, Go Fugk Yourself. I dare ya ta call my boss.
One Nagging Question that they just won’t Answer..

Where’s all the Green Energy coming from and how does it get to the Consumer in a Effective Manner ..

At this point it’s a Fairly Tale ..

GM the others See that Unless it’s Forced Down our Throats the Consumer has no desire for their Pixie Dust

The End ..
Originally Posted by STRSWilson
The quickest path to bankruptcy - build something that no one wants.
This. Who would have thought it lol. Not many want that garbage
So...

EVs are brokedick again?
Why don't we hear more about the slave labor used to mine these rare earth minerals from China & Africa. Mostly slave labor by children. This is where these batteries get their start.
Hydrogen fuel cell technology, only viable option if you gonna change
Quote
GM CEO Mary Barra, a close ally of Biden’s, ...........



This is the result of putting a twat in charge of a major company.
Originally Posted by Stammster
EVs only work economically in Norway because they have a cheap abundance of hydroelectric energy.
which of course liberals in this country .also want to end Hydro-electric dams ,and tear down the dams to save the fish .Just like they want to get rid of coal ,natueral gas and nuclear reactors to produce electric
Originally Posted by Oldelkhunter
Originally Posted by Houston_2
Norway leads the way in EV sales percentage wise with 87% of new sales being EVs.

The EU follows with 13% of new sales and the USA at 7% of new sales.

No mention was made of the actual numbers of vehicles per country.

WSJ, Vox

Norwegians prefer an enclosed car rather then a bike in extremely cold weather. grin We probably have more roads in a small state then they have in their entire country. Just a Guess


Wait until the EU mandates electric fishing boats, THAT'S when the Norwegians will revolt. I suspect, since they have over a thousand miles of coastline, that will get them fired up. It's probably easier to take a boat to their destination than drive someplace.
Originally Posted by Oldelkhunter
Originally Posted by Houston_2
Norway leads the way in EV sales percentage wise with 87% of new sales being EVs.

The EU follows with 13% of new sales and the USA at 7% of new sales.

No mention was made of the actual numbers of vehicles per country.

WSJ, Vox

Norwegians prefer an enclosed car rather then a bike in extremely cold weather. grin We probably have more roads in a small state then they have in their entire country. Just a Guess

Bingo... A country the size of Montana. With 5 times the population of Montana. But, less than 40% of the road miles of Montana... Norway would rank 41st in number of road miles if it were a U.S. state.
Let' not forget the real reason for the EV push. It is simply a way for the government to be able to control the distance any citizen is able to move in a given amount of time. Without the ability to travel, a people cannot rebel. All EV cars will have a function built into them that will allow the government to shut the vehicle down completely. I.e. Covid emergency lockdowns, ESG, etc. I am sure you have all seen the videos of Teslas, owned by people who aren't making payments, that will drive themselves to a waiting tow truck. EV's have nothing to do with efficiency, alternative energy, or anything else aside from government control.
Everyone of Biden's policies have left a mess and made America Weaker. Obama was right about SloJoe.
Originally Posted by RockyRaab
The ENTIRE auto industry is facing collapse. Not just EVs. Nobody is buying $100,000 pickups or $85,000 cars. The recent strike settlement is going to make that even worse! New cars are already sitting unsold on dealer lots for upwards of 200 days. That's unsustainable. Just the interest the dealers pay to have them sitting there will bankrupt many dealerships. It's already happening.

They are buying them in my neck of the woods and pulling a 30-40k sxs behind them.
Originally Posted by Mike_S
It’s a fools errand with current battery technology. And without government handouts no one is going to buy unless forced.
Yup... GM got suckered in full bore...
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