I am normally NOT critical of weathermen as for the most part they do a pretty good job - and I partake of a lot of outdoor activities that are dependent on the "the weather".
I often don't criticize their missing the "temperature" predictions that they make.
But, yesterday, at least three different weather folks missed the temperature predictions they made for today by a long ways!
The weatherfolks I saw during the day yesterday all predicted a low of -26 degrees (twenty six degrees below zero!) as a low for today here.
Alas when I woke up this morning the "official" temperature was 13 (thirteen) degrees COLDER than predicted and was at -39 (thirty nine degrees below zero!) when I arose - I have NO idea what the real low temperature was but I do know the weatherfolks missed their prediction by a significant amount.
Probably not much to do different from -26 degrees to -39 degrees but I do know I canceled my planned morning trip to a gun shop and an afternoon trip to the movies (Boy's In The Boat) due to the increased/profound cold.
You would think "inland", like I am here (SW Montana), the weatherfolks could be a little more accurate?
Come on spring!
Hold into the wind
VarmintGuy

JFC dude. Get a life!

So you let 13° change your plans even though your activities were to be inside?

How old are you?

When its that fugking cold, who gives a damn about 13 degrees

Thats 13° (thirteen) degrees.

What does one do of they predict 1" of snow and you get 2"???

Blame the canadians. They are the ones making all that cold air!

Cheer - because their error rate is usually well above 50%....

Anyone who has spent time outdoors knows the temp can fluctuate a pretty good amount depending on where the temp was taken.
Have you ever rode a motorcycle and hit cold patches of air? Also cold air settles in low spots, those spots can be quite a bit colder.
So take temp predictions with a grain of salt.

Stay home and hold into the pudenda! Sheesh!

We live in an area where 3 major mountain ranges converge, weather forecasting is more art than science here. When NWS had manned stations in the area with little to no employee turnover, we got darn good short range forecasts. Then they streamlined, closed the stations in the late 90's and went to 'one size fits all unisex computer modeling'. With a predictable outcome...3 day accuracy dropped considerably. And the worst of it is the predictions of snow levels. A typical family shopping trip or medical appointment to a big town involves crossing more than 2 mountain summits, or in the case of Valsdad...there ain't no low spots going to town. Tarot cards and Ouija couldn't do much worse at 50/50.

Cry us a river, buttercup.
Like most days, the only activity you were getting anyway is the walk from house to truck, then later, truck to house.

Hike up your skirt, Nancy – and act like you live in Montana.

Sheeeesh!!!

How do you get the "degree sign" to come up?

There are 10 people working in the weather office. 3 say it will snow, 7 say it won't. There is a 30% chance of snow.

Apple or Android?

But in the defense of Varmintgay ( Yes, I spelled that right...) I should get a job as a meteorologist. They can be wrong 80% of the time and still not get fired...kinda like having a State.gov job....

One cancelled two indoor activities due to outside temps? What gives? Don't folks do heat there?

Stay cool,

I still say you cannot predict what mother nature is going to do.

My dad says with all of the tech they have they should be able to. She doesn't give 2 schitts about technology.

That extra 13 below kills a 50' walk.

You weren’t leaving the house today anyway old timer.

If 13 (thirteen) degrees makes a difference you should probably move back to Seattle.


Hold into the Metamucil.

the weather predicting game is one of the few gigs where you can be wrong 95% of the time and still have credibility

As we are prone to say “sorry about that, eh”

Weather in Montana usually falls into the “I’ll believe it when I see it” category. A 24” snow prediction often results in anywhere from a skiff to 36”. The temp forecast is a suggestion. Mountains make their own weather.

I live around 100 miles north of you, and the National Weather Service website predicted -34 as a low for last night. Our thermometer (which usually agrees with the local weather recording site 4 miles from our house) read -36 at 4 o'clock this morning--when the Labrador wanted out for a very brief backyard visit. When I got up again at 6:30 it read -34. (Right now it has zoomed all the way up to -20.)

Get out your tank tops,shorts and floppy sandals .

When you live between lake Superior and lake Michigan you get used to forecasts being just a guess!

On my pc keyboard you hold down the Alt button type 0176 and then release the Alt button.

That's 6 keystrokes. 'deg' takes only and F or C take only 1.
Here's another way. Open https://www.textsymbols.net/. Click on any button that shows the symbol you want. Then go to your post and click paste. Erase whatever you don't want. It still takes a lot more time than F or C but it doesn't require memorizing a bunch of numbers.

The naming of Cold Fronts is what I find the second most ridiculous thing about TWC & meteorologist. Number one being their fake coverage during Hurricanes trying to look in danger and then kids walk by in the corner or some Croc Wearing guys cross the street.

I turned off the Direct TV after the election coverage so I never see that crap at home but I’ve been in Gonzales LA off and on the last 3 months so not many options while eating breakfast in the morning.

Since the weather channel went to MSNBC as their news source, they be gone, gone, gone. You lay with dogs, you get fleas.

You are wrong. I'm a retired state.gov meteorologist. If a meteorologist's predictions are 80%wrong, they'd be sent down the road - by their colleagues.

OP, did you perchance have a weather system or front pass through? Nailing down the temperature to within a few degrees is extremely difficult when a front is in the vicinity.

As a retired meteorologist, that sh-it pisses me off to no end! I even made some spoof videos on my Facebook feed a few years ago poking fun of the local news station's coverage of a hurricane and later, a snowstorm.

BTW, I once worked at a hazardous waste cleanup site in Gonzales. At lunch lots of days at a little shack on the corner near the visitor's center that had a giant alligator out back.

They constantly report the temeratures wrong here. not predictions the actual temerature. It is reported higher than it really is. many days 10 degrees high. One day this year during deer season they were 14 degrees high. Then on the weather news they claim 2023 hottest year ever. It sure is when you are skewing the temp 10 degrees. Then the idiot politicians do stupid things to fix a problem that is invented.

I knew what you meant Varmintguy. It is easy for these to criticize the post because they have never tried to function in temps that cold. -25 will be an obstacle. -40 is when stuff just falls off.

I have this super high tech thing called a "Thermometer" at my house. One big one I can see from the picture window and another wireless one that sits on my desk.

NOAA is about the best.



I live about 4-5 bird miles from the farm and have noticed the vehicle temp reading to vary up to 5-8 degrees from place to place.

Nevermind the fact that where they are taking the temp to where you're taking it can have that much actual difference.

Especially if they're taking it right in the city or possibly a good bit south of you.

This.^^^^

If your living indoors with force air heat then the furnace just works a bit harder.

Keeping water flowing to stock is much harder from -20 to -35.

LOL @ VaRmInTdude !

I believe he is 85+ (eighty Five!) and an ex cop from Washington (state).

Good thing you avoided the gun store so someone else could buy 22 lr's (twenty two long rifles) , or are they still hard for you to find (locate)?

John, the only stock he (VD) has are the 500 rifles he has that he posts on others threads that he too has..... Hell, I believe I have seen him post at least 50 "I have one just like yours and it shoots great, best durned rifle I own'.

Maybe it is good he stayed inside, pissing in the wind below 25 ( 25 below !) could prove fatal, especially if R miller is correct about things falling off....lofl

On an F250 I had, I went to start it at -40 and the pot metal key assembly just crumbled apart in my hand.

I went to open the hood on my Lexus GX470 last winter at -40 and the hood latch just crumpled apart.

Today I went to plug my car in at -18 and the extension cord jacket peeled apart.

Spend a couple months at -27 to -35, and -10 will feel like a heatwave. I experienced this in bearflanks Alaska. (I actually lived in NP).

heard a presentation from a NWS (NOAA) meteorologist a month ago . we were talking about runoff, thunderstorm (summer) vs snowmelt, etc. He said when it comes to weather report that matters, watchout for "apps", many are hooked into AI now, and do some surfing of other weather reports, and tend to get further afield, based on the internet, rather than physically based models.

we are lucky we have a NWS office 10 miles west of Flagstaff, and a graduate meteorologist that works for local radio station.

We get good weather reports and accurate updates.

I don't use or take stock in the commercial apps.

YMMV

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Well done!

Rmiller2: & Sycamore:
Got the official low for January 13th here and it was "officially" -42 degrees (forty two degrees below zero!)!
Not only was that a new all time record low for that date it was an all time record for January here and to top that off it was an all time record low for any date (going back 110 years). The previous all time record low for any date here was -37 degrees so this 5 degree colder temperature sure got the attention of the news broadcasters.
Yeah I just did not want to push things by starting up my rig and headin for town - supposed to get above "zero" tomorrow hereabouts.
I did putter around outside yesterday feeding the birds and putting out some corn - "profound" is how I would describe that cold.
So much for global warming.
Come on spring.
Hold into the wind
VarmintGuys

semiallen & skunt: Neither of you are worth afuck are you?
I am proud of who and what I am/was and I am especially proud of my lifetime long collecting/collection of firearms!
If either of you don't enjoy sharing and talking with others about firearms, Hunting and gun collecting then YOU are on the wrong site.
Sad.
Hold into the wind
VarmintGuy

Just out of curiosity, what were the other conditions during the time the weatherman blew his low temperature forecast. I'm not doing a flame on you so bear with me. What kind of cloud cover? How much snow on the grounds.How windy was it. Every one of those thing can make a profound change in temperature.

One, I was a weatherman for 33 years. My first weather station was Winnemucca Nevada. One winter we had a goodly snowfall with slightly over 6" on the ground. I was working the midnight shift and there was a beautiful solid overcast of clouds lit up by a full moon. Temperature when I got to work was 32* and the forecast was IIRC something like 28 or 29*. I did all the stuff to get ready for a balloon run, set up the forms for the new day observations and made a cup of coffee. Wind was perfectly calm. About 10 minutes to 1 AM I started the first weather observation. We had inside instrumentation and an instrument shelter outside as back up and which is used to check the inside instruments. I looked at the temperature first and it registered 16 below zero. Read that again, 16 below zero. Damn, I'll have to use the shelter and call the el tech in the AM. I watched the mercury fall past minus 16 and went back inside to finish the observation. BTW, there wasn't a single cloud it the sky and that full moon made it almost as bright as daylight with the snow cover.

What happened was when the cloud cover moved out, we lost the greenhouse effect and what that was there just went out into outer space For all practical purposes. It just reflected off all that snow cover. Final official low temp was 36 below zero, only two degrees shy of the all time record. Unofficially, 41 degrees below zero was recorded by people who lived down by the Humbolt River which runs alongside town.

FWIW, for the next five or six days it never got any warmer that ten below zero for a daytime high temp. Normally we'd get a few nights that were at zero or a bit below bit that was one night that I'll never forget. That had to be a pretty damn strong cold front that hit us, dropped all that snow, then moving out taking the clouds with it.
PJ

When it has been 25 below for a week and it drops to 40 below the change isn't as noticeable as when it's been 40 below for a week and it rises to 25 below.

I never watch TV weather forecasters! They're too theatrical about weather changes. I live a little more than a mile from a WEATHER UNDERGROUND station and they are way more accurate than any of the other weather forecasters.

Putting out corn? You must be one of those old dumb fuggs that illegally feed deer. I have a warden buddy over your way, I will give him a heads up to watch for your dumb azz. Ever hearof CWD moron?

Hee hee.
Your weekly outrage over trivial bullszchit is what's so fascinating. As is your running competition with sharpsman for most-exclamation-points-per-post.
You seemingly have no trouble responding to other member posts with WGAF's – how ya like 'dem tables-turned apples, bitterman?

GFY – and your incessant bitching.

Hold into the wind chill.

You go girl!

Yep, on both counts.

NOAA was predicting -28 this morning here. I was up a three for a little while, and the temperature on our accurate thermometer was -17. Hmmm....

Got up at 6:00 and it was -21. At 7:30 it was -28.

Rising now, slowly, now that the sun is up. The site's predicting a high of -1!