I recently picked up a brand new Winchester Model70 Supergrade in 30-06, it had a cracked/split stock.
I paid $400.
I’ve got the original box, packaging etc from the guy who originally bought it.

Called Winchester, they said it was made in 2022, has a 5 year warranty, but they needed the complete gun in order to replace the stock, not just the stock.

Saturday 1/27 I carefully packaged up the rifle in a plain nondescript brown box, put $2,000 of insurance on it and sent it off, that ran $80 for shipping.

The rifle was supposed to the Winchester service center outside St Louis on Tuesday 1/30.

The tracking has not updated since I dropped it off/paid.

Called Winchester this morning, they have not received the gun.

I’ve filed a claim with USPS but I’m pretty certain my Supergrade was stolen.

Frustrated but focused on getting this figured out and my $2,000 of insurance money

First, that picture makes me sick to my stomach. Second, I sent six packages last week and they ALL were delayed and the tracking wasn't always updated. One of the packages from the week before spent 13 days traveling back and forth daily from Duluth, MN to St Paul. What a train wreck!

Good luck with them paying the insurance. Even if you show proof for the cost of the item, they'll deny it. At least in my experience.

In your past experience, did they approve any of the insurance or just a small percentage of what it was insured for?

If your rifle doesn't show up at Winchester you are totally screwed. The way the USPS insurance fraud works is this......
1. You file a claim and provide the info that they require on the claim form. Including a sales receipt that YOU paid for. They will deny any claim if you are not the original purchaser and can prove it.

2. They will deny the claim even if you can and do prove you purchased the item the first time. That's their strategy to avoid paying the claim.

3. They will deny the claim appeal for a different reason, usually for 'missing information' even when that information was not required on the claim form.

4. Your last option is to appeal to the USPS consumer protection office in DC which requires all the original claim paperwork plus a letter stating why the claim should be paid.


I had a $150 worth of bullets get stolen or lost last spring. It took 5 months of their bull [bleep] to finally get $110 out of them. I called their 'Criminal theft and fraud division' office in Chicago and talked to the nice lady and said that I was a victim of fraud. She was happy to help right up to the time when she asked me if I knew the identity of the perpetrator of the fraud. When I told her that the USPS was the guilty party for selling me insurance on my parcel and failing to pay off on the product that I purchased. I demanded to start a fraud claim and forced the issue to the point of actually having a case number. A couple of days later I got a call from a postal inspector requesting that I drop the fraud complaint and I promptly refused. About a week later the claim check arrived in my mail box.
They are rotten SOB's that have no intent to pay on your claim. The money that you paid for the $2000 insurance was wasted and would have been better spent on anything else other that USPS insurance.

Great, I’m screwed as I bought the rifle 2nd hand, paid cash and no need for a receipt on a gun in AL.

Hang in there. I recently had a package that had no updates for 16 days, filed a missing mail search and it showed up 3 days later.

I hope you have similar luck.

LHS

I bet it shows up. Things are taking longer in the system and getting to point B and the no updates does not necessarily mean it’s lost.

Honestly I’d give it another week or so before I got torqued. Everything sucks right now. USPS, FedEx, UPS, chick filet, Victoria’s Secret, pornhub, etc.

just print up a fake receipt on your computer. submit it.

Large packages are taking 2 to 3 weeks and USPS is not updating the system. The last large package I shipped from Virginia to Florida took over 3 weeks and USPS didn't update the system other than the intake regional center.

A USPS Money Order took 14 days from Indianapolis to Tuscon.

Glad to see I’m not the only one having trouble, well I guess l will be patient.

Really hoping it shows up at Winchester and comes back to my house with a new stock

It’s probably still in route. I know it isn’t easy but you gotta give them more than a week before you start getting too freaked out. Their tracking system is always sketchy at best.

Consider al the mail. Most goes through on time.

If it does make it to Winchester I will be surprised if they do not replace for free. That is as clear a case of defective materials (caused by defective workmanship) as you can get! The trained [bleep] put the blank in the duplicator upside down.

AU7MM08: The Rifle is gone, there should be absolutely NO quibbling or hesitancy by u.s.p.s. in paying your claim for the EXACT amount YOU paid to insure it for!
Sadly that has NOT been my experience over the last 30 years, with the horrific, bloated, inefficient, entity now known as u.s.p.s. (united states parcel smashers!)!
The amounts paid in insurance for packages at the u.s.p.s. are so INFLATED that u.s.p.s. could lose 1 out of every 10 packages - pay off the 1 out of 10 offended customers and still make 50% off of those inflated insurance rates.
And yet they stall, delay, obfuscate and make their customers jump through hoops and wait for settlements that they try, in every way, to diminish!
I am old enough to remember when the u.s.p.s. was an honest, efficient and professional servant to the citizens of this country.
I honestly think the country would be better off with scrapping the u.s.p.s. and their grossly over-paid workers and turning its duties over to private contractors/entities.
It couldn't be any worse.
Hold into the wind
VarmintGuy

Forget any fantasy you may have that the USPS will pay your claim. It WILL NOT happen. I know this from personal experience shipping my handmade knives, that were “lost”. The USPS even admitted one of their own stole my knives! They admitted a “small box” with $500 insurance on it was too tempting of a target, using every excuse in the book not to pay my claim. I even got a friend of mine who is a US Senator to intervene on my part, with the USPS becoming non responsive to any form of contact from me or my friend.

Forget it…

Its scarey to ship a $1K firearm with USPS

Or UPS........

Last year I bought a Ruger #1 from a guy on another forum. IIRC tracking showed "in transit" for three weeks. I was patient with the seller so we went another two weeks then he sent me back my funds. He filed a claim, provided the original ad with my agreement to buy, copies of my cashed check and USPS said they were investigating. He fought for a couple of months to no avail. Fully four months since shipment my FFL called to advise my rifle had arrived. USPS never indicated delivered. I sent the seller the funds back. We were both pleased in the end.

When you absolutely want chaos, remember to use the postal service.

Our ups/fedex/dhl business overnight comes the next day 99% of the time. There are rare days, mostly from weather, when it doesn't, but they always know where it is.

My situation was similar to others here. I was selling an expensive German air rifle for a friend (Feinwerkbau) on gunbroker. The price was pretty hefty and a guy bought it and paid me. IIRC it was a little over 2 grand. I sent the gun out and insured it for the sale price. The guy sends me an email a week later and says that it hasn't updated since it left my post office and went to the next mail center and wanted me to call to check on it. I called and they tell me they can't find it and to make a claim. I made a claim. They denied my claim for missing info. Appealed and added a sales receipt that showed the price I sold it for and how much a new one costs. They denied it again, no reason given. I appealed yet again and they ignored me. About a month past by and I was literally going to send the guy a check with his money back (I kept him in the loop the whole time). I couldn't believe it when I woke up the next day to an email from him saying that it showed up on his door step. In the end we were both happy but it was over a month of me expecting to be out over 2k for trying to do a favor for a friend.

The above was my only issue with USPS ever.

Has anyone ever tried using an AirTag or Tile to track a package? I am headed out-of-state for a hunting trip, and I'm going to put an AirTag in my gun case. I've never used one before, but it looks like it would be cheap insurance. The battery is supposed to last a year, or more.

It's gotten to where I hate to send more than a bill via USPS!

I bought a Marlin .356 on GB several years ago. USPS somehow broke it through the wrist. The shipment was insured for the purchase price and USPS bought it for that amount. Right now I’m waiting on another rifle that is delayed and possibly lost. Time will tell.

It’ll be interesting to see how your tracking compares to that of the USPS.

They suck, wife bought me a nice framed duck stamp image from my birth year, it wouldn't fit in mailbox so they sat it by the driveway, in the rain. It was ruined. I have a covered front porch about 30ft away. USPS denied the claim and said my driveway was an acceptable drop off spot, even in the rain.

I will say USPS tracking is very hit or miss, I wouldn't go crazy just yet.

We have had zero issues I can ever recall with USPS. I"m sure something some time. But I don't recall. Fed Ex has sure messed up some things though.

We did file a fraud issue on USPS money orders paying something we never received and that was a total failure but I kind of expected that. Learned my lesson there.

After filing a small claim a couple of years ago I found out that the final insult of USPS insurance is that, even though they lost or damaged the shipment in handling, insurance doesn't reimburse the shipping.

I haven't shipped any guns USPS but I know they have a theft problem. A couple years ago my wife sent a birthday card to a grandson. She put several $20 bills inside the card. When it got there, the envelope was cut open, retaped, and no money. Somebody was opening obvious card envelopes looking for cash or gift cards.

R-C,

I had the same thing happen last year when I sent a birthday card to my sister. The USPS eventually made an arrest in that case.

Cards stand out and are easily targeted. I now ship cards in a flat rate priority mail envelope.

They do reimburse shipping. There is a line on the claim form to list shipping cost.

I'm waiting on a package through UPS that is the third attempt for the same thing from the same company. There tracking sucks.

Had chainsaw parts leave Edinburg Texas yesterday morning via free shipping with FedEx. Those parts were at my back door in middle Appalachia as of an hour ago.

These shippers can do it if they want to.......

Yep, and apparently they're tired of actually talking to people about it.....

Received a call from the Sr Louis post office yesterday, they haven’t received it.
Gentleman was polite but didn’t have any real info beyond that it’s not looking good.

I’m fairly certain my brand new broken Supergrade is in the ghetto of Montgomery AL, thanks USPS.

Dam shame

Blame your trump installed postmaster general louis deJoy’s actions. They vowed to destroy the post office, and he's still at it and diligently following trumps orders. Most incompetent person to have ever been installed in charge of such an important agency. Of course, as were all trumps appointees.


Phil

Gheyghost GFY

Friends in AK send me a package once in a while and ask if I received it. Nope. Apparently the postmaster was slapping his own labels on packages he liked.
Now they no longer send me anything.

I'm hoping Trump can terminate the postal service next time around.

What happens on the national/federal level is largely irrelevant with regards to someone in [bleep] Montgomery, Alabama stealing a package.

That doesn’t make sense. If he’s very incompetent, then how could he work and succeed at such a devious plan? Doesn’t it have to be one or the other? 🤔

You expect them to pay $2,000 on an item you bought for $400? Pretty sure that’s not gonna happen. I don’t think you can ‘over-insure’ and item and expect them to pay more than the item is worth. Since you established that the item was worth $400, that’s all you are likely to get out of them. My bet is it will show up eventually.

These bitch sessions are so much fun. USPS, Leupold, Ford, Chevy, Ram and the list goes on for worst products available, yet the same people think Henry is a good looking gun.

I have had way more dealings that went right with USPS than the total of the list of complaints. I had a really rare Sako mannlicher in 218 Bee that got busted in shipment. It was obvious by the damage that it was intentional. It was a $4,000.00 rifle. The sender had to file the claim, I had to take the busted gun into the local post office to complete the claim. The sender was paid his total insured price and the last I saw of the gun it was headed toward the warehouse with the Arc of The Covenant.

UPS and FedEx are worse, they are the reason why you can’t ship a firearm anymore with them. Just try sending any gun with those bandits and you will find out how worthless they are. They claim the theft is too great and the only people stealing their stuff is their own employees…


https://www.kiro7.com/news/trending...6YMNZJYJFU7HY6DCZJHFZC3U/?outputType=amp

And for all practical purposes, eliminate the only way to ship a gun without going through an FFL.

Done right - FFL's go away too.

I haven't shipped a gun with USPS but we've received a lot of packages through them. Normally, stuff coming here will go to Boise. They run an overnight truck to here for next day delivery. I don't know how many times stuff has left Boise coming this way but it's next port of call is Billings, MT or Louisville, KY.

What I paid is irrelevant, it’s the replacement value that is the explanation for $2,000.
Find me a new in stock/available Supergrade Maple in 30-06.

There’s one on Gunbroker for $1870+$40 shipping + transfer.

If I sell you a 1oz pure 9999 Gold bar for $1, is the Gold Bar actually worth $1 because “you established that the item was worth $1.” or is the item actually worth $2,100 and you have a $2,099 positive equity position?????

Don’t be dense

The market will find a replacement

I received a text yesterday at lunch.
It arrived into St Louis.
I’m hoping that the rifle is still in the box and it’s not empty.

I had $3000 incoming in four different packages. All were mailed between 12/28 to Jan 3. I spoke to my local post office & was told to make a Special Service request. All of my packages were delivered the following day of the special service request on Jan 30. One of the mail hubs in the Houston area had been sitting on the packages for weeks.

https://www.khou.com/article/news/s...285-41297c64-2609-4be9-bdaf-5a485baccbd3


And apparently, it's not over yet.

Don't hold your breath on that one.

Dang, that looks horrible. Like it was badly mishandled. Sorry about the hassle buddy. I hope they fix the situation sooner.

I've been waiting for a package for a month now. Phone the shipper yesterday and they will look into it. Expecting a phone call back today and this might turn into a refund. Pain in the butt.
Meanwhile, had place an order with another business in the States and got my packages in about a week. So what the hell?

Did ya try any Gorilla Glue? That stuff works miracles.

If a postal employee is responsible for that ^ ^ ^ ^
they need to have a leg similarly treated

I thought about DIY but why bother if it’s under a 5yr warranty.

No so. It isn’t what HE establishes the value at. It’s what USPS establishes the value at.

One of my handmade knives was insured and valued at $500. Stolen by USPS employee per USPS! They said “We can’t go on what YOU say the value is”. My reply was “We had a willing seller (me) and a willing buyer (her) and the documentation shows the value was established at $500, which is what YOU willingly insured it for. They told me to go pound sand, they weren’t paying one nickel.

Had the same situation with FedEx. Insured. FedEx driver delivered it to the incorrect address (apartment complex) per their records. Cut me a check on the spot.

USPS insurance is a huge scam, and the people running it are likely scum. Based on my experience with two claims involving a broken rifle stock and a destroyed framed print, the only way to have them honor their insurance is to get your congressman and senator involved. Literally CC them every correspondence you have with USPS and write and additional letter voicing your dissatisfaction and expectations. Their policy is to deny everything, regardless of evidence. Know that they're going to do that, and just ride it out. They'll always find some reason for denial, but keep fighting them. On your third and final appeal, if you've involved the politicians and played their little game, you'll finally get your money.

Having been through their idiot process a couple times now and knowing what scum they are, I now photograph everything of importance that I send out. I photograph the item as well as the stages of packaging to show that it was properly done. The packaging issue and documentation of value are the most common reasons they use to deny.

I'm glad to hear that it reappeared on tracking and hope that everything will turn out-most of all that the tragedy of the broken stock is rectified.

Contrary to this event, I have had very good service from the USPS.


Flat rate packages have been delivered sometimes in 3 or 4 days whereas payment in the form of a letter envelope can take 2 weeks.

The package mentioned above was 22 pounds of buckshot in a medium flat rate box. I think it sat on some table because an individual employee refused to pick it up because it was heavy. Contrary of course to their tag line "One rate any weight!"

LHS

When setting your personal expectations for USPS - remember this, it's a .gov service not a business that needs to worry about CSAT or NPS scores. They're empowered to provide a service but not turn a profit or make you happy.

Is that price you quote for a super grade with a busted stock? Or do you want them to reimburse you for a brand new one when the one you shipped was all busted up?

Sounds to me like you are the dense one, expecting to be reimbursed the brand new top dollar price for a used item that is severely damaged (and had an established value of $400). I hope it shows up for you but I doubt they will pay you new cost of a damaged item that they themselves didn’t damage.

That was a poor stock to begin with- grain thru the wrist laid out all wrong.

How’d the stock get broke?

Any insurance folks here?

How much would it cost to get outside insurance for $2K for a package being shipped USPS?

Not for the value at time of purchase (in this case $400), not for a value to be determined by the insurer, but for the stated value of $2K at time of purchase of the insurance?

Is such a thing possible?

Shipsurance

There are others too. 2k with Shipsurance would be like $17.50 - rough estimate from their web site claims.

Go back and read my post on page 1. Unless YOU can prove, with a receipt, that YOU paid $2000 for the rifle you aren't going to get chit for it. If anything, the fact that you insured it for $2000 and can't PROVE it, is all the reason the USPS needs to deny any claim until you run out of options. You wasted your money insuring it for that much and likely gave them all the ammo to shoot down your claim. You will be damn lucky to see the $400 that you paid for it and you will have to battle them every step of the way. They don't give a $hit about you or your gun.

Garcias Amerigo.

I should have known you might be informed on these type things

I’ve been using Collectables Insurance for several years, primarily for insuring high end knives that I sold. It covers loss in mail, theft, etc. They don’t require serial numbers unless an individual firearm is valued over $25,000. Worth a look.

I had 2 barreled actions go missing that I sent registered mail. Had multiple postmasters tell that simply wasn’t possible as each person that touched it had to sign for it and registered mail is kept in locked cage…..blah blah blah.

Well gumshoo tell me where the fook it is at? After a week or so it magically appeared.

AU7MM08 what's the update? Inquiring minds want to know.

LHS

Brief appearance near residence in Ky, USPS doing their thing---

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