My Commodore 64 quit so we decided to shoot instead.

I am still upset about the gun he chose....

Smart kid. Kudos. What sig?

Might need new flux capacitor for that commodore 64

They got tubes ya know


guffaw?

👍👍👍

He looks like he’s falling backward

365xl

That's cute. My daughter has a 365 and loves it.

Richard's growing up!

Glad he shows he knows how to handle a handgun! Pretty accurate too!

You're doing great work there dad!

She shoots the 365 better than I do.

Very cool JC, take a Dremel to the trigger guard on that Glock and reduce and round it off and it will be a lot more shooter friendly.

A good aggressive fighters stance translates well to both pistol and rifle shooting and sets you up well for movement in any direction as required.

You are a cool dad.



mike r

My primary carry piece. He knows the good stuff.

😂😂😂

Good for taking the boy shooting but just blasting is building poor habits and a big flinch.

There is a target there.

I like how he didn't turn around and point it at you.







It's so weird seeing familiar stuff in other places.
My first thought was, "No backstop! No idea where those bullets will stop".

But when you can see farther than they can fly?😁


That boy sure is growing Jim.
You do a good job, get to spend a lot of time with them.
Enjoy it.



Our oldest gets married and will move out in a month.
21 years isn't that long.

She needs to cut her hair. She looks like a girl. Montana: queers and steers?

Good try fàg....but not anywhere near close enough.

Quality time. For cinematic effect you might try a reactive target the audience can see. I'm giving you the advice because you're young.

I had that same thought when I was teasing him about.


He had the presence of mind to keep it pointed safely.

Where are you in Salmon Queenie?

That's a great idea!

Post a pic of yourself or you doing something. Anything gun related.

Attacking a kid says a lot, not that we didn’t already know. But still, damn.

You have a lot of nerve talking about a child when you are probably the biggest queer around here, so take your concern troll schtick elsewhere C(_)NT.

Yeah, that haircut remark just doesn't need to be a part of this thread.
A man helping his son on the road to manhood is no place for pettiness.

Ignore the trolls men!



Jim, that boy has fine taste in firearms!


What grain bullets? I love the 147's.

U for real azz wipe ?

Now GFY..........

I saw it jump and bounce a few times. But you know he was flinching and you commented on closing eyes.

As a guy who practiced some bad habits for a long time it's easy with hind sight to see how that might be avoided.

Just some food for thought and again, good on you for spending time and taking him shooting different guns.

His safe gun handling skills are on point.

.
Pick on someone your own size ya fu_kkin goofball.
You don't pick on a kid.

You ain't got no I d how big a gal Tarqueen mite bee.

Gym, you ever thank about plantin a tree?

I couldn't believe it.

I thought no way is Sam gonna let me live that down!



Been finding 115's the cheapest mostly.

Going back to the big town tomorrow and see if they have any more cheap stuff.



We shot 130 rounds and Richard found 120 of them. Pretty good.

My 'Boy' is 19 now and has let his lacrosse hair bleed over into adulthood.
As an apprentice, he takes a lot of schitt for it from the guys.

You're welcome to come here and say something similar to him.

Work on his stance JC.
Not saying it to bust your chops at all.
Saying it because of who I was long ago.
Teach coach mentor NCO type of schit...
Goes against my nature to not try and improve others performance.
Gotta break bad trends before it gets ingrained 👍🏻

Left foot forward
Right foot back.
Just enough to get oblique and not squared to tgt.
Not over exaggerated stance per that.
Maybe 4 to 6 inches at most right toe behind left toe.
Natural hip wide spacing of feet.
Enough to get body oblique to tgt and allow aiming and pointing over strong arm only.

Body kinda oblique towards target with left side a little more forward than right.
Hard to explain in writing
But easy to do in person, especially with a young person wanting to learn and shoot.
Strong arm orientated towards tgt pointkng and aiming over its plane thru sights from the right side body being rear oblique.
Weak arm very slight bend to allow Strong arm forward thrust.
And a little forward lean from waist up (not over exaggerated )

He needs to get rid of the body squared to target and leaned back mode.

Once he gains muscle memory of body stance it will become 2nd nature.

His striker fired pistol grip per his hands actually ( "glock grip") looks good from what can be seen.
Have to get upclose and personal to really see it and show corrections if needed.
He might not have enough counter opposing force in his weak hand versus his strong hand forward force in his grip and the glock was biting him per the trigger guard.
Dunno....
Wasn't their watching him shoot standing on left side about 3 ft from him.
Or his lower 3 fingers per stong hand on grip were loosening up per more shots than intial ones.
Or might not have enough meat per his weak hand fill8ng in the grip on open left side of it that his strong hand can't cover nor ever will.
Grip is why his shots were going all over and the stance being poor form

But he also doesn't have adult size hands yet.

Dry fire practice will help him with stance, grip, sight picture, trigger squeeze and muscle memory overall.


I have not meant any degradation by this post.

Unlike what can be seen per other's little fuuked up innuendo shots.

Wish my dad was like you back when.
I might have actually liked the prick if he was even 1% the father you are to you kids.



Fuuuk it!!!
This was worth while dropping a post IMO..
JC is a solid Cat and he has a solid family....


And it ain't making Bin a fuuking cent AFAIC me dropping a post.

Those handguns are tricky to shoot especially when you start missing!


The more I practice the more I realize how hard it is to hit chit(all the time)......lol



I did some red dot switcharoo's yesterday afternoon on two Sig's.
(P320 and P226)

Total goat show on the screw lengths.

That's a great way for father and son to spend a Saturday!🫡

Brother man!


Great advice.


Please stay.

Shooting with family members is about as American as it gets.
Maga

Dang Rene....thanks a lot!


It's hard for me to teach him anything because I don't know anything about shooting a handgun either.

I have exhausted my expertise at "squeeze the trigger" and "don't close your eyes".


Haha!

Jim,
Really? You made the poor kid shoot a Glock? Probably scarred him for life. Borderline child abuse that’s what that is!

Great post !!!! that's how I've always shot pistols(of all brands, semi or revolver)....I always thought it was called the "Weaver Stance"....but I certainly could be wrong about that. I have 4 Sigs, 9's & 40's, and can shoot lights out to 20 yards with them....love em, no strikers in my Sig family tho.

You put your kid on here looking like a hippie or a little girl, you've invited criticism. I predict the kid will become Trans, 'specially since Conrad is on board with that [bleep].

Little evening kayaking.

Sam i am leaning to the heavies as well.

Jim He has lots of time to get better all he needs is shooting time.

Gets pricey for me because i have 3 grandsons.

Keep up the good work guys.

WTF is wrong with you? Someone puts up a great video of a father and son doing something that we all should be doing with our kids and you go down that path for some reason? You’re a miserable little [bleep]!

Pure gold cuzzin.

Hot Damn! The Band is getting back together.😁

Keep that vision in your memory bank Jim. All to soon kids are grown and gone and all your left with is those golden nuggets of memory. Between your photos and videos and Kamos' photos of food and fun there isn't a lot of fodder on here anymore to grab my interest.

Tried a 365 but I prefer my 239 for carry. I had a 320 for a while, absolutely great fit and ergonomics, couldn't get past the unintentional discharge issue whether true or not. In addition to the 239 I have two 226's a US made one that wears a .22RF conversion and a West German produced model in 9mm.

Love the thread title.


And the fact that Renegade rolled in and offered up great advice.

Just call that a Chick Lean and he will fix it himself.

Great pic!

Couple days ago it was windy and I opened the door on the pickup and sorta leaned back into it and shot at 20 yards.


Didn't work.

Stance backfire.

I hate to step in a pile of someone elses advice, but Ive been in the pistol shooting game for 35 years competitively, so its hard to bite my tongue sometimes. I would advise almost opposite, I use and teach the squared up technique, toes forward, feet as close to possible at shoulder width, no bent arms, not arrow straight, but no weaver type bending of support hand arm, both of equal bend, slight lean forward, nose over toes with very firm grip on handgun and go to shooting. Shooting should be with purpose, but the stance should be comfortable not wound up tight, face the target just like your talking to someone, head up not down between your shoulders like a turtle or tilting, just natrual.
I almost hate to click the post reply button, I just couldn't hep myself.

It's almost hilarious how tone deaf you are, but taking your words at face value I'll say this... There is nothing wrong with hair length on ANY kid or adult, and your sick mental masturbation, again as a concern troll, is inept at best.

I'm no acquaintance to Jim, as we differ greatly in many areas, but the fact that you've championed degeneracy for years around here, and yet attempt to be 'conservative' tonight about a kid's hair is either fookin' hilariously ironic or a cognitive issue to the byedin level. You only wish for the child to be as perverse as you, so you may prey upon...as your mentors did to you.

Great job Jim, & I'll mirror & appreciate Rene's advice. And,,, there's always gotta be that doesn't there. Please get him some ear muffs & eye protection. Good on the plugs, but they're not quite as good as muffs, long term thing. The eyes? a one time blowback of some sort is instantaneous, & forever.

Enjoy your family. "Like I needed to say that. Duh."

I've got 3 P365 and they shoot damn good!

A fine man bringing his kids up right! Kudos to you, Jim.

You're spot on, that's good advice and there are plenty of good instructional videos around to get a good visual of what that looks like. Jim, great job taking the young man out and letting him experience several guns and form an opinion of his own. The 365 is a great choice, he has good taste in a working carry gun. It's great to see a young man doing man stuff.

I am terrible when we go out shooting.


When we shoot shotguns I want to buy them a dozen different models.


Same with rifles and 22s.


Driving away from the haystack today I told him he might like a 365 Macro.

Probably a good thing I have my money tied up in land.


Thanks though. It was a good afternoon.

Not every shooting sesson has to be a dang Master Class. Just havin fun with Dad is enough.

YHGTBSM. A good wholesome father son activity and you trash the kid? What a dick move!

Didn't JESUS have long hair? I'm thinking Tarqueen is too stupid to care.

Good to see you drop in Rene. FWIW, you sound like my dad instructing me back in the day. He’s a vietnam vet & qualified expert this and that with various small arms - made me smile. 👍🏻

My advice? Let the young man just shoot whatever he likes. Sure I'd like to see him with a 1911 in 9mm but if he's a Sigster so be it. As far as ol'tarqueen...your in Idaho I understand they have mountains there go play in a rockslide naked covered in chicken livers.

Next time I’m in Idaho, I’m going to Salmon and asking for the town retard. I’m sure I will be pointed right to your trailer house.

Jag That's exactly what I was thinking I had long hair when I was younger, so what ? There are far worse things in the world today, than a kid hanging out with the ole' man, shooting guns, and having fun.

The Weaver stance is a highly regarded method of shooting, make sure of eye dominance first then follow Rene's advice. I shoot out to 80 yds. with my large bore pistols, and it's a very repeatable yet simple system for shooting.

Great minds, Bwana.....

Tarqueen means welll. She'll be down at the community libraries next drag queen grooming.

Thank you for posting. Lots to learn/remember. And I havent been a kid in decades.
Good stuff. thanks.

Good to see Tarqueen posting up stuff, doubling down. Everyone can see and remember.

Well, that kid plainly knows he’s got a cool Dad 😎

A good start with the Sig but plain as day what he really needs is a horse and a brace of 1860 Colts, he prob’ly swore to not cut his hair until the war was won. You guys need to work on a backwoods Missoura drawl too.



#RideWiththeDevilmovie

Big thumbs up!

Jim;
Top of the morning to you, I hope this St. Patrick's Sunday finds you and your fine family well.

Thanks for the video, like so many of yours, I don't always comment but they do make me smile.

Regarding the backstop on your range Jim, I'll share a quick story if I might.

After we'd moved to BC where many of us are crammed into the valleys, I was telling someone about where we shot in Saskatchewan.

When they asked me what I used for a backstop on said range, I said, "Well, Saskatchewan...."

Then I explained that besides the farm house across the road I didn't have anything on the place that was capable of hitting the next closest neighbor.

It's tough for folks who've never been, to grasp truly how much space is out on the prairies on both sides of the medicine line.

Great to see him becoming proficient with a pistol for sure though Jim.

Best to you all with the calving and lambing coming on.

Dwayne

His younger brother says he wants the pistols of Josey Wales.

Jim;
Me again and I still hope you're all well.

Thanks for that photo, it brings up a whole lot of memories from when we were kids rafting on the sloughs.

On the shooting/teaching thing, I'll offer this from years of teaching people to shoot mostly rifles, but occasionally handguns.

Some people settle down and shoot better with plugs and muffs on, apparently I am one of them.

The noise or blast just gets to me after a magazine or cylinder full somehow without both.

I shoot better wearing glasses. Before I needed them to see the sites Jim, it was something akin to a mental safety blanket for me perhaps?

Not sure, but I shot better with glasses and muffs and plugs on than without, especially stuff like full house .357 Mag loads.

Perhaps that's useful, perhaps not, but again it's very cool to see a father spending time with his kids.

Well done and a sincere tip of the hat to you for that Jim.

We need way more of that on both sides of the medicine line.

Dwayne



Maybe some slogan like "More shooting and less screen time" would catch on?

Thanks Dwayne.


I was wondering how far a 115 grain 9mm bullet could travel after digging into the dirt first.


Couldn't be too far. Certainly not the couple miles needed!

Jim;
Me once more.

Do it man!!!

Had an Italian copy for awhile myself for the exact same reason.



Tried to chew tobacco as well after watching it one too many times.

That worked out much less well for me than the Italian Walker.

Dwayne

Jim;
If you can find a decent backstop or summer fallow field, its pretty wild how fast any bullet drops, much less a handgun bullet.

I recall the first time I took out my 6½" Blackhawk with full power loads onto some fresh summer fallow to see what I could see.

In order to lob one very far, I had a pretty serious tilt going on Jim.

Another science project for you all!!!

For sure though it's so good to see Jim, lets hope others take encouragement from it and do likewise.

Dwayne

" The weaver stance is a highly regarded shooting method" Man, I don't know what shooting discipline you've been involved in, but I haven't seen a serious pistol or revolver shooter using the weaver stance since the late 70's. That particular type stance is limiting in so many ways it petered out long ago.

This post says a lot about you, Tar. And it's not anything admirable.

You need to do some research, probably think a 6.5 Creed kills better than any of them "old" calibers lol.

The only advantage of the isosceles vs Weaver stance, is the full exposure of body armor during a gun fight (the Weaver exposes a bit of the side). So if you're not planning on wearing body armor, then the Weaver will expose less of you vitals. But it has been used for years (as you stated) for a good reason, but to each their own.

This thread isn't about arguing shooting technique, it's about a youth and his Dad out having a good time and enjoying the outdoors.

I started out as a mediocre handgun shooter. The one thing that really upped my game, was when I finally had that lightbulb moment, about focus on the front sight until the shot breaks. I would alight the sights, focus on the target, and squeeze the trigger...not so good.

Sight alignment and trigger control will deliver accuracy in any position, even laying on your side shooting under a vehicle.

It might help to only load 5 or 6 rounds in the magazine. He looked like a little fatigue was setting in by the time he got through the full magazine. Only loading a few rounds gives muscles a little break, and also means more training/muscle memory in releasing magazines, loading magazines, inserting magazines etc. Also time for a little critique and thinking about what just happened.

Just bought them some non scratched glasses Dwayne.

Got an extra set of muffs too.

Only a retard like you would engage in this argument in Jim’s good thread. Fugk off, loser. LOL

Yet here you are arguing about shooting technique in this thread. The lack of introspection made for a good laugh.

Posting a video of shooting on a shooting site is going to get some advice as sure as the sun rises. Some good and some not so good.

Jimmy even thanked a few posters and Rick Bin made some money$. Pretty good thread.

Picked up some 9 em em on sale.


Left one box for any Wizzards.


A Sig 365 Macro ALMOST followed me home.

Have to go home and see what's left in my birthday money.

Jim;
Most excellent sir!!

On the Walker thing, up here we could not find #10 caps for the last few years.

Sort of the same situation with .410 in that when a cousin was going to pick one up, I suggested he find some .410 shells first as they were worth more than the shotgun he was going to buy!!

Strange days for components is all and you'd hate to find a nice BP revolver and not be able to have it make smoke!

I've shot BP since I convinced my Dad to register a .36 Navy copy in his name when I was in my teens.

The .36 Navy revolvers are a hoot to play with too by the way Jim, even my Blackhawk didn't "point" like that thing did somehow.

Best to you all in your family shooting adventures.

Dwayne

PS;
Us old guys love the pictures and videos so if you're so inclined to post and share, I for one always appreciate seeing the next shift getting a good start.

Great video! Thanks for sharing.
I clearly remember my own Dad coaching me along when I was your son's age. Building great memories with your son, there.

Also, Jag's post about planting a tree cracked me up

TRIVIA CONTEST !!!

Let's say you're out there on Jim's pasture with a 30/06. You have the rifle set perfectly level, as is the ground. On the end of the barrel you have a gizmo holding a bullet just like the one in the chamber. Upon firing, said gizmo releases the bullet at the exact instant that the fired bullet leaves the barrel. Which bullet hits the ground first?

First correct answer gets to use Tarqueen is a Twatwaffle for a sign line.

Same time

What a crap show this has turned into...all over taking a kid shooting!
JC is doing something right and they had a good time. Enough said.

We have a winner.

Personally I blame the OP, Conrad, for this mess.

He's the one who went to town and bought even more 9mm to keep stirring the Campfire flames.

12.50 a box is as cheap as I can get it....so I got some.

Ammo Inc is good stuff for me.

Richard even found most of the brass.

Did you get a reloading setup going?

9mm is a lot easier to load for those with smaller hands but for 12.50/box it's going to be hard to beat.

.22 Rimfire is even cheaper.

Who is that guy???

Been running some numbers this afternoon.


Since I don't have a lot of extra brass...i would buy used brass.


A friend is sending me links right now on prices.


200 to 225 is about as cheap as I could go.


Finding primers on sale would help.



I have a Lee 6 station progressive that we really like.


They way my family is going....maybe another press kit from Lee dedicated to just 9mm is in order eventually.

Extry set o muffs. Dang. We didn't need no muffs when we wuz kids. You need ta tougnne thet boy up. Sheesh.

Jim,

I've got a bunch of extra hair tie goodies the boy can have it if his tresses get to blowing around too much and get into his eyes.

After cutting mine back from waist length to about a couple inches past my collar, it's finally back to 16" long or so now. I only need 3 or so hair ties to keep it in a nice pony tail. My wife was gracious enough to braid it for the months I was without the use of my right arm after surgery. Braided I only need two, one up top and one at the end.

Just say the word and I'll send up a few.

Signed, the Campfire longhair. (and barefoot boy)

Could do a hair bun?

N O.................... f'n no.

That's just weird.

Are you drunk?

Cuzzin', I've also been saving my brass and if we ever meet up I'll bring it along and you can have it. Just blasted through another 150 rounds this afternoon...

earplugs and muffs at same time is easy button, esp for young kids, they have a lot more years of hearing to protect.

Big Jim.......Links that are GTG

$45/1000 for very clean 9 em em brass

SP primers are $50/1000(free ship after $149)......yes they go bang...have bought 8K

Buy the Lee 4 piece die set...which includes the 'factory crimp die'

https://precisionbrass.net/product/9mm-once-fired-brass/

https://normausa.com/product/blowout/primers-b/small-pistol-primers-made-in-argentina/

Primers........

Just watch for some of these weird 9mm brass

Maxx Tech.....

We talked about doing that years ago. We were shooting really light loads of bullseye or 231 behind .38 wadcutters for ppc indoors, the bullet barely made it through the cardboard target at 50'.

Lee dies

Some say the factory crimp die (FCD) isn't needed

Ammo runs flawlessly using the FCD

https://www.midwayusa.com/product/101119737?pid=885350

Do you ever get called a flatlander?

👍👍

Don't fug with Sammo........

JC I was recently given a one gallon ziplock bag nearly full of once fired mixed headstamp 9mm brass. If you want it its yours for free as I havent reloaded 9 in years.

Little prairie dog action this afternoon.

Daniel and my 17 hornet.

Sounds like Tarqueenis flirting with your son. What a homo creep

Enjoy the nice shooting weather

Are you hiting them with the 17 under 100 yards?

Your boys will look back on these days, as the best of times.

😎👍👍

Daniel's long shot so far is 217

Jenn is sitting at 215

Richard is sitting at 200.

Cz527?

Yeah. Varmint model.

Wish I had an American 17 hornet too.

I just cleaned up on em.


321 yards.

👍👍

^ ^ ^
Childless pos

With the 17? Impressive

Must be little to no wind.

Good pics. Good looking kids

You give us hope

Is that the advice you give your own kids?

marktheshark;
Good afternoon or evening already out in PA already, I hope the weekend behaved and this finds you well.

A tip of the battered Bailey for making that offer sir, sincere kudos as well.

Sometimes when our old cyber 'Fire seems to be more of a dumpster fire than a Campfire, someone steps up such as you've done and corrects course for a bit.

Thanks kindly for doing so sir.

All the best.

Dwayne

You dumfuk phaagut talkin about ppls kids hits below the belt

atta boy Big Jim

where's that dumm fhhuck taurquin from salmon now ?

Jim;
Me again sir, I still hope you're all well and if the smiles on the photos are indicative, then you're running 100%.

Again I'll say that I'm looking back at a few things we did with our girls, who are now a decade and a bit ahead of your kids and I'm not now or ever trying to tell you or anyone what to do.

That said Jim, the girls still talk about the day we went to the range with a pair of Mk II target pistols, not for the first time of course but earlier on.

That day was special to them because I said as long as they kept them pointed downrange, they could run them dry as fast as they felt like and I'd load mags until my thumbs or the nearly 3 cartons of ammo ran out.

Well sir, they did heat those two pistols up alright and the ran through nearly 1500 rounds that afternoon.

One could not have wiped the smile off of either face for some time either.

And yes, they still bring up that day Jim.

So maybe just letting kids be kids and have some fun with a pistol can be forgiven once in awhile?

Thoughts from a fellow father looking back Jim, nothing more, nothing less.

Best to you all this week and thanks so much again for the photos.

Dwayne

No.

Post a video of your kids and I will fix you up good and proper. Loser who has never posted any pictures or videos.

Ren, I hope you post more because there are a bunch of us that are hand gun novices.

I can shoot a bow, shotgun and a rifle reasonably well.



Hand gun, not so much.

I mean, I can shoot cans off a post every time but there is no way I could compete with anybody.


Advice like you shared is appreciated.

Looks great. Have him rotate forward at the hips and not lean back.

Hear Hear!

A lot of talk about stance/grip that means nothing to a kid or litterally anyone. Foot here foot there is a long road to no where.

If you want a kid or anyone to very quickly learn stance/grip it does not require very much if any ammo.

With a safe backstop have them aim at a target. Grab the dust cover/lower frame of the the pistol. This also works with a rifle.

Tell them you will be pushing back and pulling forward and they need to adjust their stance/grip to keep the pistol as still as possible. Allow them to move anything. It's a game to find where their stance/grip is best.

Start pushing back and pulling forward. Add more push and pull as they adapt their stance to counter act your push and pull. Watch them move feet, shift hips, add grip strenght without any rounds.

Want to get real high tech and use a phone to record the changes.

In litterally less than 5 minutes a complete novice will get an 80% grip/stance without a single round of ammo.

This shit works and it's pretty close to free.

I'm only at page 5 and headed to bed. I'll read the rest in the morning.

S n S casting, hard cast or powder coated bullets at some of the best prices.

Precision Delta for Jacketed.

There might be better, lower prices but it might take some searching.

'Merica, right there boys and girls. Makes a feller proud.

https://x.com/dilbertunzipped/status/1769467575556026417?s=46

Johnny NyQuil. How many hours of firearms instruction did you receive in the Air Force?

Lmao.

Enough to do this. You are welcome to post anything relevent to your pizz poor shooting. We will be waiting.

Good job Jimbo…..Ranch/Farm kids got it the best even if they don’t know it till they are older. Most of em get worked to death and end up hating it…. Good to see you have fun with them….life is short.

Great advise as per usual Rene! And good to see you posting again !!! I bet all 3 of your kiddo are good shots, too.

And good on Jim for letting his kiddos have some fun with target practice.
My old man, a depression raised Farmer / Rancher, believed Target Practice was highly wasteful. 🤪
I didn’t become a skilled pistol shooter until I could afford to finally buy my own .22 ammo for my first pistol I purchased for myself at 15, a Colt SAA Scout.

Fortunately, my favorite Uncle, a Marine and Vietnam Vet, taught me good shooting skills.

Luckily for JC’s kiddos, they’ll remember these sessions as some of their best childhood memories.

It will be easy to find. Just look for the BLM flag and the “I can’t breath” bumper sticker on the Kia Solo.
😂😂😂

Jim great photos. Great job.