Have to say, Savage rules all, Marlin is second choice, and Winny Lever's RULE all which that sucks!

Savage takes real bullets, not just them [bleep] flatpoints like the marlin and Winny. Savage has put real rifle cartridges in their rifles, 250, 300 Sav, 308, 284, what has Winchester or Marlin done? Oh yeah,l and my Savage doesn't sound like a friggin Bradely Fighting vehicle rolling down a rutted Tank Trail when you shake it, like the Winchester does.

Ya'll think 270 vs. 30-06 gets bad, watch this one!

Savage, excelling in Excellence with the 303 Sav 34 months before Winchester intro'd the 30 WCF!

I guess my Ruger 96 is just some ugly red-headed step-child



where's the love?

Well, the Ruger is just a piddly little 22 or 17. I got one in 22 LR, fun rifle.

44 manglum

You forgot about the flash in the pan Model 88 Winchester.... Not that I have one. I'll keep my 1895 XLR thank ewe very much! Pssst..... Savage never chambered a serious cartridge!

Ah, you went with the heavier stuff, NICE! I dig Ruger rifles, almost as much as I do Marlins. Savage is still tops, even for the bolts, the bolt guns are the Chevy 350 of the rifle world.

The Model 88's are junk, they need a friggin magazine. More crap that you can lose, just like the Sako Finnwulf, although if I could find a Finnwulf in 308, i'd be a happy camper for awhile.

What about the BLR?

Shugly as it!

BLR is a good rifle, but I am looking at the everyman's rifle, the BLR's have always been a bit pricey, plus they have a magazine also.

I'll still stick with my Winchester 94. Ain't no rattles in my WWII produced version.

Those Savages always look all hump-backed to me. Nothing sleek looking there.

Shoot, Savage's are all about the sleekness, them older 94's are nice though, gotta be made before 60 for me even to raise an eye toward them though.

OK...you're gonna make me hafta post this...

Just so you know where my loyalties lie...

And to give you point-of-reference on what a proper lever action looks like!!




Ingwe

I'd love to have a 99 in .358 ... too bad everyone who is selling one thinks they are gold plated.

Sweet!

What about a Henry?

I have two 99's in .300 Savage and one Marlin 30-30. If I am going rifle hunting with a lever action the Marlin will be sitting at home.

I can't argue with your taste on leverguns, ingwe. I really dig the look of the short magazine tube. My Ex brother-in-law had one like yours in .32 Win. Special. I really liked shooting that rifle, almost as much as I liked looking at it.

I'll fix that pic for ya!



George

You mean a modern day Henry Manufacture???

Ingwe

'nuff said


Mike

Les you are Singing to the Choir!

I'm just playing "brat punk"


but I do have a new model 22mag for a truck gun.

99 is the MM of rifles!

Wait a minute....

I think you might be biased....

Ingwe

Only one is still in production..............................


'Nuff said

hey mike, one of those looks familiar.

Try buying a new savage... I'll stick to the Marlin's

The Savage 99 is the standard by which all lever's should be judged. Voted best saddle rifle by all my cowboy friends. They ARE all working cowboys, and cowgirls.

TL

Hey did this thread slow down?

I haven't got to ask about the Rossi's yet...

Rossi, shoot, they ain't worth the pot metal they are made from.

[quote=THOMASMAGNUM]I'll still stick with my Winchester 94. Ain't no rattles in my WWII produced version.

Nothing rattles in my 114 year old 1892 either!

Thats why the 24 makes that distinction with the almighty Savage Collectors and the box of chocolates...Lever Action Central.

Savage - the rifle I always lusted after, and finally got! (99EG,.308)

I think it slowed down because everybody is trying to figure out what all that crap is on Les's kitchen table....toilet paper,etc. Just saying.

Elwood

You didnt follow up on the Henry question..

Thats what slowed it down....

Ingwe

That's the Table at bart's hunting shack.

Ya know Les, by the looks of that pic you might be a little low on poop tickets(tp)

Should folks send you some?........

INgwe:

Is that a Model 71?

The greatest of the greats!

Savage 99 wins on design.

Marlin is my favorite as it comes in stainless.

The Winchester 71 really is the best of the breed.

Model 94's . . . . . too many issues over the years, but the pre war versions ROCK.

BMT

BMT...Nope its the "Deer Hunters Special"

Model 64..that one is in .30-30 circa 1937..but its a refurb, so it looks pretty good..killed a literal ton of deer with it...


Ingwe

Oh well, you have a good dog and a pretty wife, anyway . . . . . . .

First lever I hunted with was a Savage 99C in 284, loaned to me.

Later, a 1980's Winchester 94. Couldn't get rid of that soon enough.

Got my dad's 1954 Marlin 336 in the safe, and it's a great rifle.. MOA with 170gr Partitions will do the trick.

But the Savages rule...

Two outta three....

Ingwe

I did follow up.

Gezzz Doood..I'm sorry...you did....My Bad...

I was the one who slowed it up..

Its a bad sign at my age when you start missing the little things..

Gotta go change my " Depends" now...


Ingwe

TMI TMI

I love my marlin 336 30-30. probably killed more critters with it than any other rifle I own

next rifle I get is a savage 99 in 300 savage.
I just need to build a cheap AR to trade my dad for it

If it didn't have that TACTICOOL silly assault rifle rail on it......

You video tape it and I swear I'll kick your azz

I'm gonna try a scout scope on this one just to see. That rail will make it eeezzzy.

George

Cant video tape it..it takes both hands to do it!

Keith: do they make those " Tacticool" rails for M64s???

Ingwe

everybody forgot the late great SAKO?

Shut up stupid!

I mentioned the Finnwulf

I'll trade you a beat all to schitt 99 for that poor old 64 so you can be one of the cool kids!

There is a reason or 100 they don't make those anymore.....

Thanks but no...

In the business we call " beat all to schitt" a " patina of use"....

Ingwe

I think we can fix you up with some old Weaver bases a little duct tape and epoxy....

Tom...don't beat around the bush...

Just spit out what you want to say....

Ingwe

You know what they say.." If you can't Duct it..then Ph*&k it...

Ingwe

Hey I had a copyrigfht on that, even after I fixed my statement!

Sue me.

1-800-LEE-24FU

You can also use tactical cardboard for shims!

Have any snacks yet today?

Bwaaahahahahaaaa!

Still looking for one specific Winny Fan to post in here.

I thought I did.....

You prolly have me on "ignore"...Swampy asked you to...

Ingwe

Laffin'





Right?

Naw, you have a sense of humor, even if you are from Montana ingwe.

NO WAY ! The Savage 99 is the BEST LEVERGUN EVER , the APEX of levergun design. Winchester & Marlin are wannabes , they tried 307s & 356s & 308MEs to try to reach the performance levels that the Savage had all along , and they failed miserably.

Leverguns with hammers are primitive weapons.

Mike

Hmmm Marlin and 45/70 been around a bit longer and still going strong. Where are they making those 99's now?

They leave you broke down in the drive way?

Thats funny, okay, they are the Dodge 225 Slant Six of Rifles.

I like them all!!!!

http://www.pbase.com/loggah/guns_11-07

Don

Kinda looks like they are making them at my house?


Mike

A Winchester 1885 is a better lever rifle than any of the bunch listed here. And still being made by quite a few different folks.

you have an ARSENAL!

Elkhunter, you need to look at loggah's collection, even i drool at it.

Les are you saying that savage is bankrupt and is getting gov. help!

Or, could it be that you are saying the savages are like chevy's.. not worth a siht!

Anyway, those old humpback things arent worth anything-- all they are good for are trotline weights and boat anchors.

I did... but I had to quit cause I was drooling on my keyboard.

Dem there's fightin words Coonass!

Savage..... a waste of perfectly good steel meant to be nails..and firewood...

Alright Dammit! Naw, that was funny.

Some of the bubbafied 99s make good tomato stakes too.

Yeah, but bubba has no manners, he bubbafies anything he can get his hands on, no rifle is safe, not even a rossi.

What's not to love about a lever action, they all work well for the job intended.
Model 64, 30/30
94AE 30/30
39A 22
336 35rem
88 338 federal
99 358

I'm too cold right now to do any fightin.. I give up!

I would be OK seeing a bubbafied Rossi, but a bubbafied 99 is a sad site to see.

Right there with ya, I don't even like to see a bubbafied Winchester.

Cool beans there man....

Youve got five neato lever guns there..

and one Savage...


Ingwe

Marlin is making factory produced bubbafied rifles......with tacticool rails.

Humped back? That's a good description of the Browning BLR. The Win 94 exhibited grace and style. I've owned Savages and find them graceful and smooth.

I hear liar24 has new 99 roll marked SC!

Oh, those new Marlins with the new safety, you just GOTTA love them!!


Or, not. Sometimes it's best to stop making them when they SUCK.

In 375 H&H no less.

New super secret squirrel 99 magnum length action

My Winnies are on the left and Savages on the right. I keep them seperated with Lefevers [img]http://[/img]

The safety can be replaced with a dummy that looks like a screw.

Sweet!

I'm staying out of this one, I have a couple of 99s and a couple of antique Winchesters, but I want some Marlins too. I'm not picking this or that or that -- I'm picking this and that and that.

Don't be greedy, be brand snotty like us.

OK 99 Savage in .250 is the top of the line coyote killer of the choices in lever IMO. Better?

Ah yes, some real class there. 250 is my second favorite rifle cartridge!

Right behind the 307?

Nope, 303 Savage. Nice try though.

356?

That podunk cartridge isn't worth the powder burnt to puke the bullet out.

1886 in 45/90

If you get the lob figured right, you aren't gonna have a lot of coyote left to pick up!

Please don't bring politics into this thread.

Need to get a ladder sight for it..

I heard them .17 hmrs are good for coyotes, but I wanna kill 'em not scare 'em!

. . . and a pooper scooper?

I love my Savage 99 and it's a lot smoother than the Winchesters.

Not all Winchesters were limited to flat-point bullets. The 95 was designed to be used with the big rifle calibers using pointed bullets. Mine is chambered in .30-06.

And as for "real" cartridges...I'd say that my Grandfather's .45-90 Marlin (Don't know the model, my uncle has it) would beg to differ...

Aqualung

Les you Bish! My 88 is not junk!!

you hurt my feeling.

He's been like this all day...

Is this a Savage round?

Sounds like it!

Dudes . . . .

Where be the BLR lovers?

BMT

Being Der Fuhrer of the turdlike people will make you like that

Right here! They are too good to discuss with those listed

Winchester invented it

Marlin improved it

Savage perfected it

JMHO

BLR isn't a lever action.

It's a rack & pinion bolt action with an underslung speed shifter.



don't strip the gears!!

Winchester rules, Savages & Marlins make good tent stakes!

Well put T LEE.



BLRs look like they someone got confused while trying to make an Auto-5.

Now-Now, lets not get testy!

Rubbish,I say! All proper leveractions are marked "WINCHESTER"! Naturally the 86 and 71 are superior above all others, but the 92,94 and 95 are also superior lever actions. Granted, execution has not always been what it should be,but nevermind that!
Now I know you fanboys are all going to attack my superior taste with facts and logic and science and all that twaddle,but I refuse to listen to your heresy and blaspemy Leverguns is like religion, we have no use for your facts and logic here.Pointy bullet? POINTY BULLETS!? Humbug, pointy bullets is for inferior hunters who can't get close enough to use the superior terminal ballistics of fat,flat and wide Now being,ah,financially challenged,unlike some of the others, I can't buy the best of the best ie Model 71/348, or the 86 in 50/110,so have had to go with the more modern(but still oh so superior) M94BB.Before you go bellowing about the fat cheeks of the Big Bore let me issue a pre-emptive LALALALALALALLALALA I can't hear you! The wonderful .307,356,.375 and .444 are all the modern levergunner needs, though he desire's in his heart the .348 and Big 50. Go on, deny, but deep inside you know the truth! Behold,I present LEVERACTIONS-

Even my wife, on her second hunt, was able to bag a nice buck do soley to the superior hunting prowess of the .356 BB(it's been proven by science AND archeaology)and the outstanding guide service provided by one most knowlegable and learned in the ways of deer hunting and woodsmanship....obviously myself

Marlins are sturdy, accurate, efficient and dependable.

A Savage 99F in .308 win. with brass counter and lever safety is powerful and beautiful.

If you are talking a Winchester 1886 lightweight in 33 WCF, an 1892 in 38-40, an 1894 in 30 WCF, an 1895 in .35 Win., or a model 64 in 25-35,

then you are talking the perfect blend of form and function.

Sycamore

We feel for ya, but we can't quite reach!

You started it...

1894 .25-.35 1905 version. Still hanging on the original door header and nails from my great grand dads homestead.

My problem is that I like them all. My favorite gun is a Marlin 30.30 made in 1953 that belonged to my Grandpa. He also used a Savage 99 in .303 Savage that my Grandma gave to one of my Grandpa's hunting buddies after he died. I sure would like to have that gun too! Eventually I will have a Savage and a Winchester to add to my meager collection of guns.

Very nice and very cool!

Marlins feel best me, and not by a little. I've owned 4-5 of them. Winchesters are next. Can't like Savage 99's.

Lever Guns?

I'm going to be a chit disturber...

Beauty and accuracy:



Power, Beauty and Accuracy:

A little late to arrive on this thread. I have a 64 deluxe in 30-30
and is prolly my most fun gun to shoot.Have a Marlin 1895SS in 45-70 as well. Currently lookin' hard at the new Marlin 338MX.

tex, those are some decent five shot groups out of your Ruger.

See a lot of three shot groups posted at the campfire.

WAAASSUP wit dat?

Thanks - 3 consecutive 5 shot 100 yard groups, all under 1/2", except for the one called flyer. I just thought a heavy barrel .22-250 ought to be capable thereof.

I also shoot 3 shot groups with big game rifles.

I also worked on that rifle off & on for over 20 years to get it shooting that well, and I was kinda proud of the accomplishment

I do Dig the Number 1's would love to have on in 458 Lott, just fer Schitts and Giggles of course, that and Prarie Doggin'!

I do like old Marlins in great shape like the 93 below. Unfortunately 90% of what is out there are rats with no finish left. I think Savages are the class act of the levers, especially 1899's. Below are a Bird's eye maple stocked 1899A, 1899C, 1899B and 1899A.

Darn you Romac, those are SWEET!

Veddy

Ingwe

I likes them all....






[img]http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y48/cpl9838/IMG_0823A.jpg[/img]
I likes the early pump rifles too!
[img]http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y48/cpl9838/IMG_0740.jpg[/img]

Ryan

Very nice collection

I will confess my best whitetail fell to a M99EG in .300 Savage. Sold it to a Buddy who needed a deer rifle, now he doesn't hunt, but still won't sell it back to me!

A.300, .308, or .358 in a pre-mil would be cool, so would the various older calibers, too.

I probably will buy a Rossi M92 in .480 Ruger, just to match my now out-of-production Super Redhawk, and a Marlin 1894 in .45 Colt or .44 mag would be a neat find also.

I have always wanted a Model 71 Deluxe. Shot one once at 100 yards, nailed the bull. Guess I'll have to settle for one of those 1886 Repro Lightweights in .45-70, though.

And I guess everybody should own at least ONE model 94!

The Savage is too heavy & bulky, the winchester is too hard to scope & inaccurate, and the Marlin is perfect.

Fixed that for ya Swampy


Mike

Did remington ever make a repeating lever?

Swampy you da man!

Sweet Scott!

+1.

what cal?

I had a lever action Daisey BB gun when I was a kid. Does that count? Actually, I have started getting into the lever actions as of late. I got a pre64 M94 in 30-30 about 20 years ago but have rarely used it. I have recently added five Marlins to my gun rack, a 45/70, a 45 Colt, a 357/38, a 32/20, and a 22. I have enjoyed shooting my brother's Savage a few times but always thought the looked kind of funny. I just can't see Gary Cooper walking down the street and into a saloon carrying a Savage 99. I am surprised I didn't get into the lever actions sooner considering all the westerns I watched as a kid.

Got one of those rat-holed away myself...seems like theyre worth too much to shoot now....

Who da thunk it???

Ingwe

The bolt version is even more rare is it not?

Frankly..I don't know...they seemed to really fall apart fast..but the lever 76s are worth some Stoopid money...especially in Apache black...

Ingwe

Yes they make Marlins

Man I have a lot of these a$$holes on ignore.

Could you ( or have you already...) added my name..???

Ingwe

come on man.....

Ingwe

No chit!!! I've had 3 No. 1's, and couldn't get a one of 'em to shoot MOA. Mule Deer has had even more of 'em with similar experience. You done good with that purty rifle, Tex!

Who da thunk it is right, especially when the basic version of the nylon was going for all of about $125 about 15 years back. I realize the rarer configurations demanded more coin than the basic back then, but the way the prices shot up is surprising.

Who's who?

Ingwe is the roundish puckered one that smells like his mother's breath.

serious, I only know what you and swampy teach me.

I have to learn somewhere.

as ingwe would say, two-shay.

Have 2 out of the 3 and can`t afford to buy a Pre-64 Win in
32 Spl.
To the guys who posted pic`s .......thanks.

You and VarmintQueen mst have crawled out of the same pile of excrement. Either that or you are one in the same.

Not a very Christian thing to say.

Nothing wrong with Marlin and Win. They got the history...Win won the West. Marlin made Savage 1895's for Savage Repeating Arms Co. until Savage Arms Company went on their own in Aug of 1899. Roe Clark (deceased Savage historian) told me the drawings for Savage rotary magazine came from Colt Pat Firearms.
Win 1886,1892,1873 models are hard not to like...wouldn't give sweat off my sack for a 1876 model.
Savage perfected the Lever. Fewer moving parts. No tube-magazine.
George Madis (deceased Win guru) said that Savage made the best levergun ever.
Nuf Sed

Woot! I made the list!

That was mean.

great Write up Jed, was hopin you'd chime in. Les

You must have made his ignore list too. Quite the honor I would say!

I thought Mom's were off limits.

Especially if you have the target on ignore. That's chick'n!

He is just showing what a true azzhat he is, Thats okay, if he has us on ignore we can call him whatever we want.

And think Ingwe wanted to promote him to swampman770, he just went all the way back to swampBOY710

Jessica made me say it.

I've had all 3 at one time or another. I prefer Winchester. The Salvage 99 would be a good gun if it just had an exposed hammer.

Tom

I'm thinking you haven't carried a Savage 99 much, if you think they are heavy and bulky. Due to the balance, and actually fairly light weight, they carry very well. Quite slender in an EG, anyways. Model 94 Win., 20" barrel - 7#. Savage 99EG, 24" barrel - 7.5#. Seem pretty close.

7 of the scopeless 99s in that picture weigh 7 pounds or less , none weigh over 7 pounds 8 oz.

Mike

I laugh when folks say 99's are so heavy, they must be real wussies!

But swampy is the same guy that can't make his mind up on barrel length. What do you expect?

Swampy is a Special kind of Guy, so special he wears a helmet when he gets driven to the store to buy more windex from have to clean tongue marks off the short buses windows. I understand they are gonna get him a football helmet with a facemask so his tongue won't reach the windows anymore.

The folks who think 99's are heavy and clunky think that 99's only consist of the 99E and 99C models from the 60's and 70's.

Pick yourself up a nice 1899H or 99H (1950's 99F if you need a scope) and you'll change your mind.

I think the problem comes from people looking at pictures of 99's, and not actually handling them. They do look heavier than they are in the receiver area, due to the slender forearm and barrel. '94's, on the other hand, and most other levers, look more slender due to the mag. tube. Really a matter of proportion. One they handle one in the flesh, those misconceptions disappear.

99s are heavier than they look.....much

I've handled plenty of them.

if ya call 7 lbs heavy.................




Mike

Every different model has different weights, Winchester,Marlin, and Savage!!!!! you can find a light one or a heavy one!!!! this comparison is pointless!!!!! Don

Is there anything you don't know or haven't done?

1) How to not be a tool.

2) Not be a tool.

That made me chuckle Bluedreax.

I do what I can.

Thanks Bluedreaux, I got a laugh to!

I think that's why they make different kinds of stuff! To each his own. Can't remember many firearms I really didn't like.

Hi Jed,

A couple observations:
1. If Savage was the best levergun why didn't Marlin build off their experience of actually building them? Now the first thing someone might answer is that the design was patented, yes however in the world on manufacturing, if you fear, an another companies design you move to top it or at least coral it and limit it by filing your own patents with IP disclosurers. Marlin did not do this (that I know of). Wouldn't a clip instead of a topfill rotary magazine have been a logical extension?
2. Savage stopped making their 99, for lots of reasons; however Marlin is still making their levers.

You know that I like the 1899's as much as any gun and was liking them before some of the readers here were part of this world. I liked them when other gun collectors won't give them a second look. They are a wonderful rifle with many attributes including great function, pointy bullets, and sleek lines. I do like them but I only add here, to qualify them.

Well I for one refuse to buy a new Savage 99 until they start making them again!

If Marlin can stay afloat making lever guns and Winchester and Jap/Winchester can make'em and sell them why can't Savage make a 99 and sell them?

I'd sure buy a 99A in 250-3000 in a heartbeat.

I like my 336's and my 99,...but the 336's are lever guns. The 99 shoots as accurately as a bolt rifle, so I think of it differently.

I more or less consider it a bolt rifle that operates from the bottom.

Were Savage not minting coins with their simple, cheap to make and very accurate bolt guns, They could make the 99 again. With investment castings, CNC etc. it would not be difficult.
From a marketing standpoint, the question could be, that given the irrational bias toward bolt guns today (everybody is "tactical cool") would there be enough people to buy them?

As for the SAKO, it was a rifle w/o issues (unlike the 88), it was just too expensive and "foreign" before foreign was in.
As Packard used to say "ask the man who owns one", in my case owned two and sold them for huge money to a SAKO collector. Worked fine and were more accurate than an 88 or any Savage except a R or RS. Quality exceeded any post war 99 or Winchester.

Any Marlin blows away any Winchester with the possible exception of the 1886 era big bore guns. You get a mid to high grade Marlin 93 in 32-40 and it will just blow you away (and you could put a Malcolm scope on it too!)

I really want my grand dads 99 in 303 but prolly aint gonna get it. Ive got a Win 94 30-30 that my great uncle bought new and past it to me. It was made in '53

Yup the old 303 is neat. My 1899B with a Stith no drill mt and 2.5X Lyman Alaskan will do 1.5 MOA with the barnes TSX 150 Bucket mouth.

Yep. Except, like an Enfield, the bolt locks at the back, so when pressures get up there, you lose some safety & accuracy compared to a mauser-type bolt action. But I run my 99's well within SAAMI guidelines, and they do just fine.

I got flamed big time on another site some years back when I posted that my .308 M99 regularly shot sub-MOA groups. Posted a pic of a five-shot .60" group, but since the bastidges wasn't there to witness me shoot it, they refused to believe.

Whatever. There are none so blind as those who refuse to see.

My brother's 99 needed a little tweaking to shoot like that. Trigger job and skim bedding of the butt stock and forend, but shoot little groups it does. My dad's .250, circa 1919, shoots 1 1/2" consistently with the 87gr Hot-core.