She is signing it right now. Speach even referenced the Federeal Governments refussal to enforce the border.

I love it when a plan comes together,

hang on,as Vanimrod says, "It's fixin' to get sporty".

GTC

Way To Go!

Now we just need the other 56 states to take a stand.

Good news!

I give AZ a high five

I give you folks in Arizona credit. If Mr. Slick Perry had half the balls your leaders have, we'd make a hellava dent in the trespassing situation.

Nice Work!

Things are looking up! Unfortunately, that means the feds are about to screw us somehow.

I'll not be surprised to see the Feds come down on this little stunt like a ton of bricks,......

not ASKING for help here,......

just be aware we may very well NEED it.

Remember the Alamo !

GTC

Yippie, Yahoo!
Now if odamya only realize that this is what the majority of
people want.It will be nice to see people who are breaking the
law squirm.
Charlie

Arizona will now need all the help they can get. Good for them.

San Jacinto is a better memory!

Sent BO's crew home with homework.

Thumbs up from here!

Vote all the Federal politicians out this election, they can't hurt us if gone, if their replacements don't learn a lesson, vote them out next term.

Not one of them has made a difference, we have to look to state government.

Not any of our 10 here in Az or yours from your state.

McCain is culpable and so is Ron Paul, F'm all...

Kent

Agreed, Que Viva Sam Houston !

Poor Old McCain,.....I hope he can handle the ride,.....he's sure got himself 'tween a rock, and a hard place.

Funny thing is that this bill follows exactly verbatim federal laws already on the books.



Let them fight it.

1 down 49 to go. big thumbs up for AZ

Granted, ....but they are out to "CHANGE" alla' that,.....No?

GTC

Other border states better get off their ass and do something similar or they'll get a bonus crop of illegals soon.

Uhm how many states? Nevermind.

Can see the new border signs now....

Don't let the door hit ya

Where the good Lord split ya....

Wonderful news. One for our side.

The Feds and BO will declare war on Arizona by 0800 tomorrow morning. Just watch.

I think that the first order of business should be to have a town hall meeting in a venue that will hold say 60000+ folks. Reach out the olive branch so to speak, let anybody who apposes the bill attend and voice their concerns. Once they are all there we can round them up and send them packing.

Ya I can't wait. First came liberals, then the nation's gay pride, now illegals. CA is becoming the nation's landfill.

It needed to be done. If only a common sense approach to cheap labor was implemented and enforced 30 years ago everyone on both sides of the border would have been much better off.

I'm worried about SLC Utah, and the Denver area.

Can't call New Mexico, that's a tough one. Suggest you talk to Richardson and Ted Turner,....THEY run that state.

Texas has just been flat DISAPPOINTING, all the way from the get-go, we really expected better.Maybe Perry'll grow a set now that Gov. Brewer's set the bar.

California,....WTF knows. They won't arrest those assisting in child molestations (e.g.Cardinal Mahony) and have BURIED themselves in "sanctuary city" bred Gang Culture. Being FLAT broke isn't going to help, either.

GTC

The good state of Arizona should set up a specific border fund.

It would get donations from far and wide to help with it's success and to promote the results to other states.

Denver..

We suck here as we are a "sanctuary" city.

Hang on for the ride, this truly could be the straw that broke the camels back in our national revival. We are bringing in support from all over the nation and our Federal politicians better look out for the anger building.

Again I say this is another step our state is purposely taking in open Federal rebellion through state's constitutional rights... Health care will be next... if we get the other states to band wagon we will steamroll them.

Keep the pressure up... vote out the National incumbents, none have made a difference, best that can be said is they stalemate... total change is needed.

Kent

This probably isn't to worse a time to THANK sincerely,

all the (other) "squeaky wheels" that DEMANDED this grease.

Long kinda' road ahead, I'd venture, and this is NOT the end of anything.

Looks like a GOOD beginning though.

GTC

I can just imagine the law suits.

Wonder how a class action suit would hold up against a sanctuary city?

Good question. I lived in Denver for a couple of years, and visit my brother there every summer. Illegal aliens come from all over the world. But, you would be surprised how unsympathetic some Hispanics are towards the undocumented, the economy and the drug violence do not help. Cluster [bleep].

So.. cops identify illegals and hold them for ICE.

What will ICE do with illegals picked up for speeding? Give them a court date and release them?

They didn't even wait that long.

Their job is to deport.

Kent

Congrats to Arizona! Maybe the other border states will follow suit and force the feds to enforce the border.

What they've just "forced" is Hussein & Co. to push the amnesty bill back to the forefront.

I just saw one of those news banners they run on the bottom of the TV screen on Fox and it said something like:

"Arizona passes law that makes it illegal to be be in this country illegally."

Huh?

Yeah, but I don't think they can deport without a hearing in front of an immigration judge. No? If so.. it'll be catch & release for the feds.

YOU HAVE NO CLUE, BUD.

this ain't Nebraska.

gtc

ICE usually won't deport unless the illegal has committed a crime. Now they have the crime. Interesting.

gtc, you're right, I have no clue...

But we got plenty of illegals up here working the meat packing plants and fields.

So I'm interested. Just not hopeful when it comes to feds doing their part.

Things like this from 2008 make me think that it will be catch & release with illegals who get picked up for speeding or any other local misdemeanor - or who haven't been convicted and served time yet.

http://www.ice.gov/pi/nr/0807/080731washington.htm

Yeeaaah right! Watch it there "Colonel Travis!"

you're a real winner, stumblephuck

gtc

Gongratulations Arizona!!

I like this new law for three reasons;

It helps give Arizona better tools for law enforcement and the citizenry to protect itself,

It means Gov Brewer is interested (even parttime, if not fulltime) in serving her constituents!,

And its bound to pizzoff a lot of libturds as well as the white house THUG!

Sounds like a good day.

Anytime, azzwipe!

Hey OOps ya popped that cork yet? Looking forward to seeing if I can decipher what ya say later tonight...LOL

I think it's about time the feds learned on very important lesson. They're not in position to screw the states, unless they're willing to declare and carry out Civil War II.

they don't hold all the purse strings. Only the ones where new money creation is concerned. The REAL funding comes from the hard woking people. If the feds try to trump any or all of the states all the state has to do is say no more IRS allowed within our borders. Get lost! go back home to DC and stay there!

And that'll be the end of that.

All I can say is Adios Amigos................

This could get the usps profitable again.

Just mail the folks back to mexico COD.

=================

DAcharlie....you should be happy. Less for the banditos might mean more for you.

This could be your lottery ticket,you little handout queen you!!

Bravo AZ.

Don't assume Im not...unless ya need help and want to make me look as though Im not for AZ. Stick to the issue and don't display your shyster ways.
Really posted that ambulance cartoon in fun but if ya can't take that...just buckup and don't rain around here.

Under certain conditions they can deport them without a hearing- if they are only in the country so many days and within so far of the border- don't remember the particulars.

Worked at the ICE prison in Florence for 6 months transporting them to Mexico by bus and to airport for the CON-AIR flight to central america. A lot of the Border Patrol pickups would be dropped off and staged for a flight the next day!

OUTSTANDING, 49 states to go.

Anyone think Obama is against immigration reform and this bill because his aunt is or was illegal in this country?

Dennis is right. Many times there is no hearing, just either deportation or catch and release at the border. I believe multiple apps and/or crimes committed and they get the judge, other than that they are deported or voluntary returned(catch and release).

I think its gonna be a busy summer and end of the year.

Kique

Funny that you don't have any trouble "deciphering" Obamaspeak!

Seems to me that you only have difficulty understanding real patriotism and love of country when you hear it.

You dope!

Brewer was running about an hour late for the signing.

What do you figure she took a phone call from Obama?

"Please, no, Jan. Please."

- Tom

too bad all we have is a Girleman as Governor
we need this too
good on her!!!!

Should push come to shove, you won't have to ask. Always wanted to vacation in your senic state. GW

We already knew you were an AZZWIPE "Anytime".

got anything new, or exciting to pass on?

GTC

Thank you gov. Jan the hard working people of Arizona now have someone on our side of the battle.

Gotta' give this LADY her due,.....she's got

I dunno' how do you say this respectfully,

"Ovaries that clang" ?

"Brass Ovaries"?

"Big Ovaries" ?

(Bigger Balls than Bawney?)

Elf, if yer' readin this happy horsechit, help me out here !

You too, Sassy .

GTC

Welcome,....nice first post!

GTC

Cross, just come right out and say it, Arizona has a Govenor with a real pair.

just think of all the money westernunion is going to loose
don't know about there but here there is usually a line of them sending money back to mexico

Our president said that this was "unfair" and he would try to keep it from passing. Just unbelieveable......Wake up America....

I told you guys I was an independent, I did not vote for "No Balls Perry" I voted for Kinky!!! If ya'll can get Jan Brewer to run for president, I'll damn sure vote for her no matter what ticket!! When our boys came back from Nam, their jobs had been taken by 'other people' now we got boys fighting and dying overseas, while the powers that be, give the jobs they will need to wetbacks!Better yet, these illegals should be pressed into the service of our country, give them a rifle and give them that job in Afghanistan . They are always hollerin that they just want the jobs that no one else wants, give them that one!!!Rick Perry makes me ashamed to be a native Texan.

Now for a quick follow though from Texas and New Mexico... Then maybe we could force California's hand.


Well done guy's!


Phil

Good post. BTW, this how you would limit a term. Vote em out.

If the imposter says that it is unfair, then I am sure it a step in the right direction. Bettin wouldn't have a problem getting Arizonia's govenor to show her birth certificate. GW

well said......

Hope Texas and New Mexico are feeling a little inspired.

While Jan's gob of spit is still hanging off the president's nose.

(Metaphorically speaking.)

- Tom

Good Job for Arizona, the other states need to follow suit. BUT doesn't anyone else think it stinks that we have to make a law for illegals to be illegal!? What are the feds thinking letting it get to this sad state.

Look,...I wasn't intending to snap at anybody, and appologise for any grief. .

THIS initiative has NOTHING to do with "ICE",..."FEDS",...."USBP"

or NEEDING them.

ALL of the Language is FEDERAL LAW, ....already.

The State of Arizona is taking the bit in it's Teeth, and saying "If you won't do YOUR assigned , sworn job,....WE will.

I don't think finding volunteer drivers, for volunteered busses, provided by any number of PIZZED OFF American philanthropists is going to be a problem.

I don't think that deputized volunteer drivers are going to be a problem.

I don't think the AMERICAN / ARIZONA Border is going to be a very bright place to act like an idiotic trespasser / thief for the foreseeable future.

The REAL problem, is WTF Mexico does with all of THEIR people, that we're going to be DUMPING back into their OWN Country.

Sounds like a Mexican problem to me.

Sorry bout that.

GTC

GTC,
Shoulda been a Mexican problem from the jump.

Nothing we can do about the past,.....though I agree 110%.

This initiative IS do-able,....and TRESPASSING invaders have run outta' time to demonstrate, ruminate, illustrate, mennustrate, bloviate, obfusticate, discriminate, recriminate.....etc.

it's over,....now HAUL AZZ<>>>>

or we'll haul it for ya'!

That simple enough ?

GTC

Tx NM and CA need to buck up....OK would if she were a border state!

I KNOW you would.

The initiative is still worth presenting to your State House folk, and getting on your books.

The FEDS are PAID to transport these invaders,......if they can pay a room fulla' $219,000 a year Shysters to watch Porn when they're supposed to be watching the Nation's financial interest,

....all we have to do is REFUSE to take no for an answer.

This is going to require skill, compassion, and common sense,...something that Government entities are not well stocked with.

Nothing "easy" about this,......beats the chit outta' the alternative, though, don't it ?

GTC

I'll be in Arizona next Month and doubt I'll be able to stop grinning the entire time I am there. Bear

Gimme a shout Bear, ....drop in for a COLD ONE,...

gtc

Gotta' give this LADY her due,.....she's got

I dunno' how do you say this respectfully,

"Ovaries that clang" ?

"Brass Ovaries"?

"Big Ovaries" ?

(Bigger Balls than Bawney?)



Ovarian Fortitude....

Thanks, ....do you mind if I use that in an upcoming article?

It's PERFECT !

GTC

Arizona rocks! It's about time we got a break our way!

perry hasnt got brewers balls,but we need to make him some.think i will send him a big set of red brewer balls,

She has HOOTERS it's a woman thing.

It is a take off of my normal line

Testicular Fortitude.

Free to use where they fit....

So this allows state LEO's to dump them back at the border without going through feds??

Now, THAT I like! Hadn't heard particulars, figured the locals would have to call ICE.

Awesome!

That's awesome. This should add a nice twist to any nationwide immigration bill they try to shove down our throats. Between this and all the state AGs appealing Obamacare, we could be in for a big States' rights vs Federal government battle.

there has been some pretty interesting dialoge the last few days. Most of your la raza types saying pretty much what you would expect. Racist, hateful, etc. Systema, the blonde idiot was playing for headlines, the law will never stand, multiple lawsuits etc. Bam Bam is already trying to get milage off of it, a law passed by misguided people due to the failure of the government to pass amnesty.
There was a young girl, one of the demonstrators interviewed, she was really upset. Seems BOTH her parents were illegal, and she didn't know what to do, they might have to move to another state, or, horrors, back to mexico. You see this is all racist, or so the spin goes.
The head of the law enforcement organization PLEA, if i remember right, was on too. He mentioned six points covered by the bill, all of which were already available. The KEY focus of this bill is to disallow sanctury cities, and inaction by various chiefs that were NOT enforcing the law.
For various reasons there were items specifically written into the bill to guarantee against profiling etc.

There were also, by the way, hispanics calling in to the radio station in SUPPORT of the bill. The radio stated about 90% of the demonstrators by the way were schoolchildren that you could bet did not understand the bill, but were being guided by various groups.
You could see the alinsky hand in this, in they were playing for the media, even to the point of bussing in people from california.
It will be curious to see what happens. I think something like 70% in hard numbers of arizona support this bill. If it is dehorned by the feds/obama, or judges, I think there will be a next step but don't really want to guess what that would be.

and this is the reason the bill got passed.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/04/23/illegal-immigrants-crammed-u-haul-truck/

Perry is positioning himself to play for the other team.

Don't hold your breath waiting for him to buck the D.C. bunch.

Also,...now would be a good time for Brewer to replace "amnesty supporting" Sarah Palin as the darlin' of the Tea Party movement.

Ain't that the truth.....


Casey

It just a numbers game for perry. Too many votes to be lost in the valley if he tries anything like what AZ did.

Bristoe is there gonna be a Tea Party Darlin thread commin up?

why not?

Won't this bill just force the fed to eventually grant amnesty?
If that happens then no illegals will be going home to Mexico.
Obama is going to do his best to expand his voter base.

Sounds real nice. Bear

Lets talk about how Ron Paul pandered for the mesican vote, by promising to legalize drugs. Not quite so boring, and somewhat overlooked by the paulies. It's up in smoke now in Arizona lol.

The Fed is gonna have to fix the fence and do a better job of keeping em out before they can get away with any more BS...I hope.

What's a government smoochin' asswipe like you doing contaminating the "last frontier" of Alaska?

Do the world a favor and enter the Iditerod by hookin' your sled up to a porcupine and pointing it towards the north pole.

Come up fishin. i'll teach you how to filet close to the bone. And do bring mother with.

I can tell you a badass!

who-eee.

More defeatism.

combined with ignorance, that's a potentially dangerous cocktail

If you can read, I'd do so,....there's a few weeks worth, covering this one subject.

In case you hadn't heard,...the "fed" don't grant chit.

The WILL OF THE PEOPLE "grant",.....or don't.

GTC

I can see the legalization ploy for mesican votes, but why legalised prostitution? To save a buck maybe? Is RP a tightwad?

LMAO



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4ilg64OrW4

Hand those f'n illegals an M-16 and some fatigues at the border and send their asses to the sand box...

Hundreds of freeloaders protesting making illegal immigration illegal, whilst a total of THREE sack up and naturalize by armed service yesterday...

Hey B.,

You were never one to let the facts get in the way of your opinions were you?


Univision:......Do you then favor an amnesty for the 12 or 13 million undocumented immigrants?

Sarah Palin: .........No, I do not.

And that's exactly what needs to happen. A great big tooth and nail cat fight including caterwauling and fur a flying.

The feds need put in their place. And that's precisely what it's gearing up to. It's aobut damned time, too!

The feds want one big country, from southern mex (and perhaps beyond) all the way to the north pole. One people, one currency, bla bla bla. Just like the european union, only much more power over the people, trade, business, etc.

All their plans need thwarted. Every agenda the fed has needs shut down completely. In my view the feds are no different than the up in your face homos, the blood throwing anti hunters, crybaby gun haters, the no oil or nuke pukes, the be nice to the muslims crowd and every other anti American liberal whacko group out there. In fact the feds are the leaders and enablers of all these.... and the people are fed up with it! They're all one in the same in my book, and they all need told to sit down and STFU in no uncertain terms and then MADE to do so.

Not sure I follow that line of thinking. The mexicans that currently bring in the drugs and take billions of US dollars back to mexico, where they fortify and advance their narco terrorism, would be out of business and out of money. People in America, mexican or american, are going to use the drugs whether it's legal or not. There's no stopping them so why bother trying?

How does legalizing drugs pander to mesican nationals living legally or illegally in America? It'd pull the rug out from beneath their lawlessness, how would that gain votes from mesicans? Besides, illegal voters from mexico would be signed up to vote by ACORN and probably not be voting for someone on a republican or independent ticket.
Help me out here W4B. Something I'm missing? (serious question, not being a smartass)

Wouldn't it be a hoot to see them, as they offload from the bus, being checked for proof of citizenship and loaded directly onto another bus headed for the border! lol

That's funny right there, I don't care who ya are...


The AZ governor has nads... If she ever quits there I hope she moves to TAX HELL WISCONSIN and becomes govy here..

Calhoun,

I work for ICE so can answer your questions. Most illegals are picked up as a result of their being locked up someplace and the locals calling and saying they believe they have someone illegal. It does not matter what the crime is - it can be speeding but is eight times out of ten, DWI or domestic violence. Once in ICE custody the alien is placed in removal proceedings. They can request to be returned to their home country without seeing an immigration judge, but most go before a judge. Some illegals have overstayed visas, but the ones from Mexico and other south/central American countries have normally crossed border illegally. If they have lived in this country for ten years and have a United States Citizen wife or children they can ask for a cancellation of removal hearing if they believe their removal would create an exceptional or extremely unusual hardship. They are also free to claim fear of return and ask for asylum, but they have to prove past persecution or a well founded fear of future persecution or torture. A normal removal hearing for a typical illegal alien last about 15 minutes including all his rights warnings. In the office I work for we remove about 35,000 a year.

By my calculation we need another 1,000 or so of your offices then. Give or take. Can we brand them to expedite their next hearing?

264guy:

I'm a county deputy prosecutor, working post-conviction relief cases. Some of them involve non-citizens who claim their lawyers didn't tell them they could be deported, etc., etc.

What do you do at ICE, if I may ask?

- Tom

Tom,

I'm an Assistant Chief Counsel, which basically means I am an ICE trial attorney. I am in court virtually every day doing removal proceedings and a few times a week handling merits hearings for those aliens that are eligible for relief. You bring up a hot topic; the U.S. Supreme Court just handed down the Padilla case and it basically says that aliens are entitled to be advised of the immigration consequences of a conviction or plea agreement. Failure to at least inform the alien that there may be some consequences and that they should seek out an immigration attorney for advice is grouds to have the conviction vacated. This decision is going to open the flood gates for motions to reopen based on ineffective assistance counsel. We are in the process of starting up a program to advise/inform state prosecutors of this decision.

DigitalDan,

ICE removes about 380,000 illegal aliens a year.....still not enough though.

and



How much does this all cost, per head removed?
Legalities are damned expensive. Way too much so, in fact.

Might put some people out of work (or as I prefer to look at it, give them opportunity to do other things more productive) but it seems to me the best route is the cheapest route. Just round them up and ship them to the border, no questions asked and no answers needed. If they ain't legal, then they're illegal. Just ship 'em out and forget it. Why all this unproductive and wasteful screwing around with technicalities and legalities? For God's sake just ship them out and keep them out!!!!!!!

What's wrong with that?

264guy:

I was on top of Padilla the day it was published on the web. It was decided a week after a PCR hearing on a non-citizen, and the judge hasn't ruled, yet.

Padilla was very, very narrowly ruled, though. It doesn't cover the issue of prejudice, as I'm sure you saw, and it doesn't cover a situation when the trial attorney has no actual knowledge that his client is not a citizen. (And that happens a lot. The defendant doesn't mention it and the attorney doesn't ask.)

The Supremes are going to have to address that soon, though, because a couple of days ago I got another PCR petition and the guy's PCR attorney not only cites to Padilla, but he says the guy's trial attorney didn't know. There's going to be more of these.

The local judges have caught on, though. Most of them are giving everyone an advisement on the record, including citizens.

- Tom

Univision:......Do you then favor an amnesty for the 12 or 13 million undocumented immigrants?

They must be just using Kalifornia numbers. 10-12 MILLION dates back quite a while. Closer to 30-35 now.

Amazing which numbers are used as facts depending on the argument.

Palin just uses different rhetoric.

http://www.aipnews.com/talk/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=9310&posts=5

[Questioner] To clarify, so you support a path to citizenship for undocumented immigrants?

[Palin] I do because I understand why people would want to be in America.

Archerhunter,

I understand how you feel. If it makes you feel any better, almost all of the illegals that are caught at the border are fingerprinted and returned to Mexico without ever being put in immigration proceedings; however, the problem is, they come right back.

Also thousands of them that are caught in the interior U.S. ask for a voluntary removal and are returned without ever being put into immigration proceedings. The problem is there are millions of them and there are millions of them because employer want to hire cheap labor.

The Bee's will keep coming until you poison the honey pot, just the way it is. Burn the employers hard, make it stick, then they will stop comming so much. Then burn the DIY stores for the day workers they allow on their property, I hear they actually encourage those guys.

I agree with you crosshair. We have been burning lots of employers lately but there are just so many. If the incentive to work were taken away not as many would come. If not as many came, the U.S. Attorneys would also have time to enforce the current laws on the books that makes it a crime to be here illegally. Right now, they only look at those that have been deported and then re-entered again. Of course, they only prosecute a fraction of those.

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, FOX NEWS HOST: �Now, they finally have passed a bill. They've now got the attention of the federal government. But it has taken this far to have the federal government say, Look, we're going to -- we're going to try to do something about illegal immigration. But what's the difficulty for a governor?�

GOV. SARAH PALIN: �Well, in this day and age, when it doesn't seem there are a lot of federalists in the federal government understanding 10th Amendment rights and a state's rights, it is quite difficult to have that good communication and working relationship between the feds and the state government in order to best serve the people whom you are to be serving. So more power to Jan Brewer for deciding that she was taking on an issue. And it is a states' rights issue, and she was going to decide with her lawmakers what they could do to tackle this huge issue of some immigration problems.
As a governor, you know, I faced the same thing, when I was governor as Alaska and had to sue the federal government over abuse of the Endangered Species Act -- that was under President Bush -- and then having to butt heads with President Obama over the stimulus funds, when I vetoed some of the stimulus funds that came to our state, and then my veto of those funds was overridden by the legislature.
But there is -- there is always that good, healthy kind of conflict between the state and the federal government, but a state governor has got to make sure that they are remembering who they are serving. It's the people who hired them, their state's voters, and they do what's best for the people who did hire them. Sometimes that is in conflict with the federal government.
But Jan Brewer, I think, in doing the right thing for her constituents and standing up for her state, and now it's a matter of working with the feds to kind of mesh what the mission is that they are on to make sure that this immigration reform that she wants to work on, that due respect is given to the state in this case.�

A quote from the WND poll today,

I could see how Obama wouldn't be pleased with any law that might require one to show proof of citizenship