i understand things aren't perfect in this world,.]

we've worked to present the world to the god that will save us, and vice versa.

it would be good to see a god that is on our side, finally.'

humans, eating the urth, and humans loving god.

let's talk about the system, ok?

God isn't a jennie, that He would grant men all the selfish things that mortal men want !
He created the world, and He has a plan for it and it's inhabitants.
He isn't perplexed.

do you want fries with that burger?

With all due respect Gus, you are suppose to stand under the mistletoe, not smoke it. And I mean that in a nice way.

God assigned the job to us.

IMHO, it's not up to God to fix the problems of the earth. That is up to us. Mankind started in a utopian environment. God knew Adam would disobey and that man would fall. People who expect the re-establishment of the Garden of Eden are wasting their time. This mortal probation is the time for us to make choices and suffer the consequences, both good and bad. God is all powerful, but he will never take away our agency. Thus, individuals can make bad decisions that ripple negative effects to others. IMHO this will be sorted out at some point in the future.

Same reason Santa Claus and the Tooth fairy aren't solving the world's problems

You want to effect change in the world, actions speak louder than words and anything's better than sitting around waiting for someone/something else to do it.

To quote John Constantine, "God's just a kid with an ant farm".

He could do another great flood.

Who messed it up, Gus, Him or us.

Of the 14 different gods I pray to, none has given me a good answer yet.

He made US. Perhaps He just overestimated His abilities.

Gus,

You are presuming a god exists.

Pretty hard for things to get fixed by a non-existent entity.

I was raised in church but I never liked going. Nowadays I tell people who ask why we don't attend church, that I just don't think "God" is a very good parent. Pretty negligent, if you ask me. Plus, I wish he'd make it clear which church I'm supposed to be going to, if he wants me to go. Look at all the churches and religions and denominations out there - they all claim to be on the right team, and everybody else is unfortunately going to hell. I guess somebody is right and a whole, whole bunch of others are dead wrong. But they go to church just as hard as everybody else. I'd like to be on the winning team but how is a regular guy like me supposed to be able to tell the difference? Everybody has their particular verse of the bible staked out, or a particular edition of the bible, that they hang their whole theory on - and everyone else's interpretation is wrong. And, I have never been in a church that didn't slide their hand into my pocket. With all of the goofy things people do in the name of religion they can't all be right. I just can't risk choosing the wrong team, so I guess I'm sort of a free agent.

He is busy.

I had a friend once who was pretty tough. He got sick once but didnt know what Dr to go to, so he didnt. Im glad he used to go to church.

^^^^^^^ This. When people start talking about god, I will often ask, "Which one? Man has invented so many of them."

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Free will is a curse and a gift. He could have made us all to just be puppets- but he did not; and IMO that is a good thing. Would be very boring if he would have.

My belief is that he reigns, ..... but the world has been given over to some truly evil things and the world is somewhat in charge. But... the day of reckoning will come and the keys to the kingdom will be taken back and it will be a new day then. May seem like a fairy tale to some- but I like the ending of that fairy tale. In the mean time- carry on.

I would rather live my life here and follow a God that I trust, and try to live my life according to his rules- that are best for all of us. Better to be wrong about that still- rather than live my life another way and be wrong. Obeying him and living that way has not hurt me one bit, for his promises have blessed me more than I deserved.

As to how the other 6.99999 billion people live- I have no control over that.

I remember the first two weeks of basic training. Everybody got shat upon, we were treated unfairly, blamed for things we didn't do, run ragged, everybody was punished for the mistake of one, etc., etc. They treated us like that on purpose, they wanted to see how we handled it. Some folks took it, continued to do the best they could, helped others that were having trouble and soldiered on. Others bitched and complained and blamed everybody else. After a while, they let up on the first group but came down even harder on the second.

I think life is a lot like that. The problems aren't there to be solved, they are there for a reason. Someone just wants to see if we - each person individually - can rise above them.

You have asserted He doesn't exist, without evidence. Get back to us when you can create anything from nothing.

Because it doesn't work that way. The world and the humans are in a fallen state. The pathway for us is through Christ to elevate us from our own fallen state. The Earf and all in it is temporary and is going to pass away eventually. We are required to try and do our part to try and make it a better place. The fact that we fail miserably at it proves that without God we aren't schitt and that His plan is going to fall into place at His choosing. For Him to interfere and try to fix our failure would also violate the free-will thing that we have.

No, I did not.

I pointed out that Gus's question rests upon an unproven presupposition. Perhaps you also noticed I referred to a general god, not your specific God.

If Gus wants an answer to why no god seems to be looking out for us, his first question should be does one exist, and if so, which one or ones?

The left has spent trillions of dollars and murdered millions of people( believers in communist countries) in an attempt to disprove the existence of God. Remember the billions spent on the particle accelerator in Switzerland which was supposed to prove or disprove the existence of God. How did that work out ?

why should he, he gave us the ability to solve are own problems.

because your a f ucking idiot walt.

Yep.

Gus, in a very small nutshell, because we wouldn't learn anything. Real answer.

The scientist operating the Large Hadron Collider (LHC) were not on a quest to prove, or disprove the existence of any specific god, but, among other things, the existence of The Higgs Boson, which they succeeded in doing.

The Higgs related experiments at the LHC, worked out very well.

God does have a solution to the world's problems and it will come but most people are NOT going to like it. The world is how it is because of man's sin. God will bring back a sinless world, peopled by those who believe in him. The rest will fall deeper into depravity until God destroys it all.

I’ve been busy.

And y’all [bleep] are too damn needy.

God gave us free will and over time that free will lead to bad deeds and greed. There’s much good in the world but there seems to be more bad as time goes on. There will be a forced realignment (a reckoning) with good Ultimately winning out.imho

Absolutely. It is playing out exactly as prescribed.

You must be asking where you could get brains.

Yep!

If you had one you could ask the real God, since Pelosi and Zero just isnt coming through.

He promised he wouldn't do it again. There is fire though .....

Things are moving along at exactly the pace intended.

Because so many of the problems have been created in his name?

Antelope sniper, Just because you haven’t seen, heard or felt the presence of God doesn’t mean that others haven’t. In fact many of us have and we’re the ones that you’re not going to change. You’d feel the same way as us if you ever get so lucky.

Ultimately you’re in the minority in your belief of nothing and I pity your narrow minded militant refusal to accept faith and your constant attempt to prove God doesn’t exist using the same argument you use to prove that believers can’t prove to your satisfaction that he does exist.

In any case I wish you and yours a very Merry Christmas!

Merry Christmas Ace!

I hope your enjoys the great peace and blessing of the season.

The cleft lip (cleft palate) ad was just on TV. I cannot make it though the whole thing.
God has an awful lot to answer for.

Because in Genesis 1:26, God gave the earth to mankind. God has a great plan but it's up to us to find out what it is and follow it.

^^This ^^

The Lord gave us free will to make our own choices good or bad. I believe that prayer can influence things and that God has plan based on us making the right choices as to how it "should go" but sometimes we make other choices as do those around us. Our reward is in heaven not on earth.

Sorry GUS, The only thing God thinks we the unworthy deserve, is his wrath.

He doesn't think we deserve the benefit of the sacrifice of his only begotten Son,
... it is only out of Gods Love & Grace that he offered up his Son for the unworthy.
ie; Jesus is the path to the Father, and the way to avoid the Fathers wrath.

Whatever name HE is called by, those who believe, they believe without evdence (except in their own mind). It is called "faith".

As long a it harms no one else, or they don't try to impose it by force, who am I to argue?

Blaming God for all the world's problems is akin to not following the "commands" in the owner's manual of a piece of machinery and then blaming the manufacturer when it fails.

Say you buy a new vehicle that states in the manual that 0w-20 oil is to be used. You read it but decide based on your own "wisdom and experience" that 10W-40 would be better because its real hot where you live and that is what Dad used in his small block Chevy that lasted so long. You do not realize that the oil pump in your vehicle can't pump oil that thick and the engine blows from lack of lubrication. When it blows you get on the internet and state what a POS that vehicle make is and that the manufacturer would not stand behind the warranty because they would not give you a new engine.

Only a complete dumbass would do the above scenario. Most people have enough sense to put the right oil in a vehicle or pay someone who will. On the other hand humans are hardwired from birth to NOT follow God's rules. What the heck is so hard about "do unto others" and "love thy neighbor"? Is it any harder on an intellectual basis than "use 0W-30? If we did we would not have any problems but we can't do it. We have advanced in knowledge and technology 1000 fold since Jesus spoke those words but are no better than the people of his day at actually doing them. We have had 2000 years to get it right. Its not a knowledge problem. That right there is all the proof of God and what he had to say about the human condition that I need.

God does exist. We have proof. Hillary will never be President. Tax Bill passed. Schumer and Pelosi are wracked with anxiety. Grouch was appointed tot he Supreme Court. Illegal immigration has slowed. ISIS is in retreat. Unemployment is at its lowest point in the US in 20 years. World politics is taking a slow turn to the Right as we see countries like Argentina and Chile reject Socialist candidates. Venezuela's dictators have failed. Europeans are pushing back against unfettered Muslim immigration and pushing back against there leaders.
The US once again is respected as a nation with strong leadership instead of run by a cool hipster who thinks of himself as a Citizen of the World applauded by Pop Culture. The markets are booming, we are not only becoming energy independent but energy exporters. Mugabe is out of office. In RSA the ANC did NOT pick Zuma's wife as their leader. My family is healthy and now has new additions.

The list covers much of my prayer list over the past few years. In my opinion God has been busy looking after most of us here on urth or whatever alternate universe Gus inhabits.

Because god, is not only indifferent, but often-times cruel.

Ah, the Old School God.

"You got yourself into this mess, now get yourself out of it!"

If you truly believe that, then you have missed the entire message and meaning of the coming of The Christ.

Ed

The Higgs boson is named after Peter Higgs, one of six physicists who, in the 1964 PRL symmetry breaking papers, proposed the Higgs mechanism that suggested the existence of such a particle. On 10 December 2013, two of the physicists, Peter Higgs and François Englert, were awarded the Nobel Prize in Physics for their work and prediction (Englert's co-researcher Robert Brout had died in 2011 and the Nobel Prize is not ordinarily given posthumously).[16] Although Higgs's name has come to be associated with this theory, several researchers between about 1960 and 1972 independently developed different parts of it. In mainstream media the Higgs boson has often been called the "God particle", from a 1993 book on the topic;[17] the nickname is strongly disliked by many physicists, including Higgs, who regard it as sensationalistic.[18][19][20]


I guess I was right and you were wrong again

That seems to be the issue here. There are so many beliefs, but it all comes back around to faith and you cannot force someone to have faith. That is tyranny, cruelty, and narcissism at it's worst.

That goes not only for Christians, Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, Satanists, and Animists, but for Atheists as well.

As to Gus' initial question, I believe that HE is solving the world's problems, just not on our terms nor on our timeline.

We humans did not create this universe, nor conquer it. Why should we get to set the definitions and rules by which it operates? To do so, my friends, is arrogance of the highest order.

Irrespective of our individual beliefs, we struggle to explain all of this stuff we call "The Universe". There are things that we think we know, but all of those things are subject to reexamination when new facts are brought forward.
That is called reasoning. Any other process is pure emotionalism and ego.

Ed

Only a complete dumbass would do the above scenario. Most people have enough sense to put the right oil in a vehicle or pay someone who will. On the other hand humans are hardwired from birth to NOT follow God's rules. What the heck is so hard about "do unto others" and "love thy neighbor"?

+1000

For those who never hear God's call...It says in Romans that only those God calls will be saved. So, who does he call? Is that predestination? No, it's not predestination, it's foreknowledge. Big difference. It's lined out in Romans. God knows us from the creation, millenia before we were born. God is omniscient, all knowing. He knows everything that can be known, past, present, and future. He knows every person and whether they will accept him at some point in their lives. He knows who will answer and he directs them toward himself. We're free to change our minds at any time but he knows that we'll do it long before we do. To those who he knows will answer, he issues some kind of call. We're not told how he calls us but it appears to be highly variable how or when but he does it. Most people who are called won't even know it but they'll be pulled toward him until at some point, they decide to follow him. Some will be highly antagonistic toward him but one day the light will switch on and they'll make a complete reversal. The apostle Paul is a classic example of that. He was torturing and killing Christians when one day, he got the call and he made an immediate change in his whole life and went on to change the world.

Many people have a hard time sorting out the difference between foreknowledge and predestination but it's a matter of free choice, do we have a choice or is our fate pre-determined? We're free to accept or reject the Lord. He wants us all to accept him but the large majority will not. Just because God knows what that choice will be doesn't change the fact that its up to us to choose. It's not just us of European descent. God knows every person in the darkest Africa, the Mongolian nomad, and the Amazon Indians. He knows which of them will choose for him if given the chance and he calls them, too. How he reaches them I have no idea but the Bible says that he does.

When God does direct action, it does not please everyone. Consider the cities of Sodom, and Gomarrah.

Yep, and challenging God / Arguing with God’s will can lead to some not so good things as well.

Faith

You know I hear this from folks who use it as a reason for not attending but find it really just a lack of much effort on their part. I would leave a church whose message wasn't Pro faith and who put themselves above others. In fact I did so BUT I have seen and heard very few people actually openly disparage other Christian religions in this way. I got a load from my Catholic family for having issues with many of those tenants. I never start an argument with them and find it easy to avoid by staying with scriptural responses and not being one to refute their beliefs but encourage them to stay strong in their faith no matter what that is. I happen to like fellowship churches as I find them non judgmental, not focused over much on tithing and having members that openly care for one another in tangible ways. I feel in nearly every message there is something directed to me - for my well being. If you can' find a church where you feel a presence and purpose you can't be looking hard enough. Not trying to chastise but would encourage you to just try a few more . Make the effort and be rewarded.

God did solve the world’s problem! The problem is sin and God solved it when he sent his Son, Jesus Christ, to die on thhe Cross. Man’s problem isn’t poverty or else God whould have sent an accountant. Man’s problem isn’t hunger or God would have sent a baker. Our problem is SIN. And just like in Noah’s day, men laughed about the notion of God, laughed at Noah because he said it was going to rain ( it had never rained before that, the earth was watered by a heavy mist). They laughed right up until the first rain drop fell, then all laughing ceased. AntelopeSniper is an atheist and an unbeliever and that is his choice. I’m not here to try to convience anyone otherwise - my responsibility ends once I tell someone the Gospel.

it's good to know that things are going so well. Jesus walked the earth some 2000 years ago, Mohammed some 1500 years ago, so i guess things will continue to get better and better.

Gus, He would have to kill ya

Way to go BRISTECD.

Gus,

Maybe I was being too subtle when I said so we could learn. If you have the time and are willing to risk a headache Here is a pretty good article. Runs 44 Adobe pages and is pretty heavy.

Interesting site to poke around. Spitzer is educated as a physicist among other things so a lot of God/science stuff.

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year

thanks for the link nighthawk. i'll ponder through it. kinda reminds one of the writings of rabbi kushner and his why bad things happen to good people discussions.

You are correct in the sense that we didn't do anything to be worth saving,but you can't look scripture saying we were unworthy the same way one of us would say a democrat isn't worth a bullet. Even in our worst sin God loves us as his children. Just like I would give my life for my children God gave his. It wasn't at all based on if we deserved it,just like I wouldn't think for a second if my children deserved me dying for them. God did it out of love,a kind of love we can't even comprehend. I would give my life for my children, but I wouldn't for my worst enemies,but God did.

Well, he didn't allow Hillary to be elected. That alone solved a bunch of problems.

God has wisely kept us in the dark concerning future events and reserved for himself the knowledge of them, that he may train us up in a dependence upon himself and a continued readiness for every event.” – Matthew Henry

God gave man a pocket knife so he can whittle out some stuff for himself.....or either to use it to cut his own throat!

Unfortunately.....the latter occurs quite often!!

yes, seems to be a lot of throat cutting going on, so to speak. the consensus of many here is that things are getting better & better. that is, we're coming ever closer to god's plan being realized.

i sure hope they're right. don't know if we'll rise up to meet god, or if he'll swoop down at the last second and save us from the abyss.

I know.

God is going to solve the problems when the wicked are removed from the earth. In fact Peter stated that the destruction of Noahs day and also of Sodom and Gamora set a pattern of things to come. We now stand at the precipice of a third and final destruction of ungodly men. God is not going to fix the present world though most humans serve the governments that cannot solve the problems rather than serve God who can. You cannot serve two masters.


Trystan

I thought the Democrats had solved all the problems .... umm..

God pities the unworthy, but that still doesn't mean the unworthy deserve pity , God offers his grace(unmerited favor)
as an expression of his love for the unrighteous unworthy sinner.

Since the fall of Adam, the unrighteous sinners which Jesus came to save are all born with a divine entitlement/
deservedness to Gods wrath.



You sound like one who has a sense of entitlement to Gods love and grace.

He is solving the problems, have patience!

Actually, he is right according to God's Word. Romans 3:23 "For all have sinned and come SHORT of the glory of God." Romans 6:23 "For the wages of sin is death: but the GIFT of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord."

And yet, He has given mankind the opportunity to receive His mercy (not giving someone what they deserve-death) and grace (giving someone what they do not deserve-eternal life). If man had just 1 redeeming quality to him, Jesus would not have had to die for us; for man then could have redeemed himself and the cross would be of no value. So the cross is the greatest manifestation of mercy and grace balled up into to God's love where He sacrificed His only begotten Son that we might not perish IF we believe in Him.

Romans also tells us that God has revealed Himself through His creation (which He DID create out of nothing) so that man is without excuse when it comes to salvation. One of the things that I suspect most, if not all of us on this site share in common is that we love the outdoors. How can one see a sunrise or a sunset and not believe in God? How can someone stop and think about the fact that the earth, sun, moon, stars, and the other planets rotate in such a way that if anything were to get out of sync it would bring death to us on planet Earth. If the earth were to get a little closer to the sun we would burn up and if we got further away from the sun we would freeze to death. When you stop and think about it, it takes a whole lot more faith to believe that this world just "happened" or that 2 atoms randomly collided and all this was created and works in sync like it does.

One more caveat I will say is this, the Bible also tells us that it is a wide road that leads to destruction and many will walk that road, but narrow is the way and the gate that leads to eternal life. So not all will be saved for more will reject Him than receive Him. But there will be a day that we will all stand before Him, and then bow before Him and proclaim that He IS Lord. Some to eternal life in heaven and some to eternal damnation in hell...but either way it will be man's choice where he resides for all eternity.

John 3:17-18, "For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. "

knowledge (gnosis) is a wonderful thing. we've been learning more and more since the emergence of the cave men.

in fact knowledge trumps about everything, no?

jaguartx, i know you place a lot of emphasis upon knowledge as do i. more people should do the same.

Thanks, Gus, i think.

Anyway, merry Christmas and happy ny.

"Do Something"

I woke up this morning
Saw a world full of trouble now
Thought, how’d we ever get so far down
How’s it ever gonna turn around
So I turned my eyes to Heaven
I thought, “God, why don’t You do something?”
Well, I just couldn’t bear the thought of
People living in poverty
Children sold into slavery
The thought disgusted me
So, I shook my fist at Heaven
Said, “God, why don’t You do something?”
He said, “I did, I created you”

If not us, then who
If not me and you
Right now, it’s time for us to do something
If not now, then when
Will we see an end
To all this pain
It’s not enough to do nothing
It’s time for us to do something

I’m so tired of talking
About how we are God’s hands and feet
But it’s easier to say than to be
Live like angels of apathy who tell ourselves
It’s alright, “somebody else will do something”
Well, I don’t know about you
But I’m sick and tired of life with no desire
I don’t want a flame, I want a fire
I wanna be the one who stands up and says,
“I’m gonna do something”

If not us, then who
If not me and you
Right now, it’s time for us to do something
If not now, then when
Will we see an end
To all this pain
It’s not enough to do nothing
It’s time for us to do something

We are the salt of the earth
We are a city on a hill (shine shine, shine shine)
But we’re never gonna change the world
By standing still
No we won’t stand still
No we won’t stand still
No we won’t stand still

If not us, then who
If not me and you
Right now, it’s time for us to do something
If not now, then when
Will we see an end
To all this pain
It’s not enough to do nothing
It’s time for us to do something [x3]

Yup, God has offered us a perfect solution to the world's problems but the large majority of people fight against it.

What you say is true up to the point of salvation. At that point everything changes. Then a person is no longer an unworthy sinner,but the Righteousness of God. To continue to identify as an unworthy sinner is a denial of what took place during the new birth. No,we are not worthy in ourselves,but after the new birth we are no longer only in ourselves. He that is joined to the Lord is one Spirit.That is the attitude that must be cultivated and it is the attitude that overcomes the world.

God isn't solving the world's problems for the same reason Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy don't. My Grandson actually saw the Tooth Fairly one night and said that he looked a lot like his Dad.

No, He can't. He said He wouldn't. God is not man that He should lie.

So you say he's right then go on to count all the ways he's wrong. What's right about that? Just want to be argumentative? He's not right. Period. For all the reasons you state and more, but it won't matter to him. His die is cast and he alone can change that.

The road is narrow but it will accommodate every single person who wants to walk it. It's only narrow because so few want that path. The road to destruction is wide because so many sadly chose that way.

at this point in time in the development of the world it's been estimated that 100 billion people have lived & died on the earth. so, it sounds like if the end comes anytime soon, that heaven won't be a very large place at all. actually, from my personal perspective, i hope it's not all that crowded.

of course i want everyone to be there that wants to be there.

I get a better understanding of God's relationship to us as my children age. You don't help them by doing things for them, they have to pull their own weight and take their own falls.

........................Your question implies that you don't quite understand God's ways biblically speaking.

God gave His creation (mankind) the freedom of choice to choose between good and evil. Mankind in God's view, was not created to run around like a bunch of mind numbed robots (yes people) with no abilities of or for choice to think for ourselves.

The evil in the world today and in all of human history is caused by evil passions within the human heart which evil people have in order to seek out power, control, wealth, dominance, hatred of others etc and etc.

Hitler CHOSE to seek control of Germany, invade Poland and conquer Europe with the eventual goal of securing a global master race under his power and control. He chose to order the killing of multiplied millions of people.

Stalin. Basically the same things with a view variances. Stalin CHOSE.

Mao Tse Tung. Same things. He CHOSE as well.

And all the other major evil players in world history who have caused conflict.... They CHOSE evil.

Those who murder, CHOOSE to murder.

In all world conflicts large and small, past and present, God does not come down from heaven, wave His mighty hand and say, "ok boys and girls time to settle down here."Time to be good boys and girls."

Christianity grows the best when it's under persecution. In the 1st century it was a terrible death to be Christian but it grew like crazy. You don't hear much about it but today in Muslim countries where it's illegal to be a Christian, it's growing rapidly. There are thousands of courageous missionaries who are risking their lives to get the word to them and it's working, especially among the women. It's pure hell being a Muslim woman in most of those countries. These missionaries are called insane at home but there they are, doing God's work and knowing that they could be killed at any moment. Such is the power of the Word. There's a young woman here who I know of who spent several years in one of those hell holes spreading the word. She's since come home, got married, and had kids but she still can't tell where she'd been. There are still missionaries there and any hint of it could get them killed. It's strictly on the hush hush.

As a mere mortal person, I will not make any attempt to guess anything about any plan God has, or question anything.

If He created the heavens in six days, six minutes, six billion years, no matter to me. I can not create one grain of sand.

haven't thought about it lot's, but it does kinda make sense. under pressure, there is a response, and that results in growth. no doubt the Christian missionary types are having a positive impact. but unfortunately the counter balance is that certain other religious groups are engaged in the same efforts, more or less aggressively. i'm thinking of sudan and it's division into two parts as one example. once i visited with two sudanese nationals in the us seeking assistance. basically they said they didn't need more people they need money to prosecute their cause in the face of bitter opposition. they were both trained by the british, one in london, the other in edinburg. i don't know if they met their goals or not. but sudan is no more, it's two separate countries now.

lot's to discuss when secular humanists pretty much rule the world, and the various religious groups choose to fight with each other.

God doesn't sent in armies with guns. He sends in dedicated, fearless people with the Word. He gets much better results than killing the opposition. In many cases, the opposition will join him. The Romans joined him in droves. The so-called "Christian" armies of the middle ages didn't convert anyone. They failed miserably. A handful of missionaries worked miracles.

hmmm. well he use to send in armies. no wait, his vicar on earth did. i'm thinking of the templars at the moment. i could name others if i thought a bit about it i'm pretty sure.
i accept your position. my position is there's lot's of killing going on for whatever reason, and under many different flags.

we'll see how it turns out, if we live long enough i reckon.

Jesus commended the centurions faith( Luke 7) as unequalled by anyone else , by the fact he considered himself unworthy.
and it is by such faith that one receives the unmerited favor-gift of Gods grace.
Man has the sin from Adam, and doesn't have the power to overcome the sin nature he inherited.
God bestowing his unmerited favor of grace is the only way to solve that problem.

One cannot hope to receive unmerited gift of grace and consider themselves worthy-entitled at the same time.
those who do , don't understand the nature of Gods grace.

By grace, we receive the faith that enables us to believe that He has sent His Son to die and provide the salvation.

Jesus died for the unworthy/unrighteous , if thats not the case then he died in vain.



Esphesians 2:8
" "For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith--and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God-"

(Luke 7:6,9)
" “‘Lord, do not trouble yourself, for I am not worthy to have you come under my roof. . that is why I did not even
consider myself worthy to come to you.’

Jesus said, ‘Not even in Israel have I found such faith’” (Luke 7:6, 9).

Well, there was that 186,000 He destroyed one night, RC.