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Antelope sniper, Just because you haven’t seen, heard or felt the presence of God doesn’t mean that others haven’t. In fact many of us have and we’re the ones that you’re not going to change. You’d feel the same way as us if you ever get so lucky.

Ultimately you’re in the minority in your belief of nothing and I pity your narrow minded militant refusal to accept faith and your constant attempt to prove God doesn’t exist using the same argument you use to prove that believers can’t prove to your satisfaction that he does exist.

In any case I wish you and yours a very Merry Christmas!

Merry Christmas Ace!

I hope your enjoys the great peace and blessing of the season.

The cleft lip (cleft palate) ad was just on TV. I cannot make it though the whole thing.
God has an awful lot to answer for.

Because in Genesis 1:26, God gave the earth to mankind. God has a great plan but it's up to us to find out what it is and follow it.

^^This ^^

The Lord gave us free will to make our own choices good or bad. I believe that prayer can influence things and that God has plan based on us making the right choices as to how it "should go" but sometimes we make other choices as do those around us. Our reward is in heaven not on earth.

Sorry GUS, The only thing God thinks we the unworthy deserve, is his wrath.

He doesn't think we deserve the benefit of the sacrifice of his only begotten Son,
... it is only out of Gods Love & Grace that he offered up his Son for the unworthy.
ie; Jesus is the path to the Father, and the way to avoid the Fathers wrath.

Whatever name HE is called by, those who believe, they believe without evdence (except in their own mind). It is called "faith".

As long a it harms no one else, or they don't try to impose it by force, who am I to argue?

Blaming God for all the world's problems is akin to not following the "commands" in the owner's manual of a piece of machinery and then blaming the manufacturer when it fails.

Say you buy a new vehicle that states in the manual that 0w-20 oil is to be used. You read it but decide based on your own "wisdom and experience" that 10W-40 would be better because its real hot where you live and that is what Dad used in his small block Chevy that lasted so long. You do not realize that the oil pump in your vehicle can't pump oil that thick and the engine blows from lack of lubrication. When it blows you get on the internet and state what a POS that vehicle make is and that the manufacturer would not stand behind the warranty because they would not give you a new engine.

Only a complete dumbass would do the above scenario. Most people have enough sense to put the right oil in a vehicle or pay someone who will. On the other hand humans are hardwired from birth to NOT follow God's rules. What the heck is so hard about "do unto others" and "love thy neighbor"? Is it any harder on an intellectual basis than "use 0W-30? If we did we would not have any problems but we can't do it. We have advanced in knowledge and technology 1000 fold since Jesus spoke those words but are no better than the people of his day at actually doing them. We have had 2000 years to get it right. Its not a knowledge problem. That right there is all the proof of God and what he had to say about the human condition that I need.

God does exist. We have proof. Hillary will never be President. Tax Bill passed. Schumer and Pelosi are wracked with anxiety. Grouch was appointed tot he Supreme Court. Illegal immigration has slowed. ISIS is in retreat. Unemployment is at its lowest point in the US in 20 years. World politics is taking a slow turn to the Right as we see countries like Argentina and Chile reject Socialist candidates. Venezuela's dictators have failed. Europeans are pushing back against unfettered Muslim immigration and pushing back against there leaders.
The US once again is respected as a nation with strong leadership instead of run by a cool hipster who thinks of himself as a Citizen of the World applauded by Pop Culture. The markets are booming, we are not only becoming energy independent but energy exporters. Mugabe is out of office. In RSA the ANC did NOT pick Zuma's wife as their leader. My family is healthy and now has new additions.

The list covers much of my prayer list over the past few years. In my opinion God has been busy looking after most of us here on urth or whatever alternate universe Gus inhabits.

Because god, is not only indifferent, but often-times cruel.

Ah, the Old School God.

"You got yourself into this mess, now get yourself out of it!"

If you truly believe that, then you have missed the entire message and meaning of the coming of The Christ.

Ed

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I guess I was right and you were wrong again

That seems to be the issue here. There are so many beliefs, but it all comes back around to faith and you cannot force someone to have faith. That is tyranny, cruelty, and narcissism at it's worst.

That goes not only for Christians, Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, Satanists, and Animists, but for Atheists as well.

As to Gus' initial question, I believe that HE is solving the world's problems, just not on our terms nor on our timeline.

We humans did not create this universe, nor conquer it. Why should we get to set the definitions and rules by which it operates? To do so, my friends, is arrogance of the highest order.

Irrespective of our individual beliefs, we struggle to explain all of this stuff we call "The Universe". There are things that we think we know, but all of those things are subject to reexamination when new facts are brought forward.
That is called reasoning. Any other process is pure emotionalism and ego.

Ed

Only a complete dumbass would do the above scenario. Most people have enough sense to put the right oil in a vehicle or pay someone who will. On the other hand humans are hardwired from birth to NOT follow God's rules. What the heck is so hard about "do unto others" and "love thy neighbor"?

+1000

For those who never hear God's call...It says in Romans that only those God calls will be saved. So, who does he call? Is that predestination? No, it's not predestination, it's foreknowledge. Big difference. It's lined out in Romans. God knows us from the creation, millenia before we were born. God is omniscient, all knowing. He knows everything that can be known, past, present, and future. He knows every person and whether they will accept him at some point in their lives. He knows who will answer and he directs them toward himself. We're free to change our minds at any time but he knows that we'll do it long before we do. To those who he knows will answer, he issues some kind of call. We're not told how he calls us but it appears to be highly variable how or when but he does it. Most people who are called won't even know it but they'll be pulled toward him until at some point, they decide to follow him. Some will be highly antagonistic toward him but one day the light will switch on and they'll make a complete reversal. The apostle Paul is a classic example of that. He was torturing and killing Christians when one day, he got the call and he made an immediate change in his whole life and went on to change the world.

Many people have a hard time sorting out the difference between foreknowledge and predestination but it's a matter of free choice, do we have a choice or is our fate pre-determined? We're free to accept or reject the Lord. He wants us all to accept him but the large majority will not. Just because God knows what that choice will be doesn't change the fact that its up to us to choose. It's not just us of European descent. God knows every person in the darkest Africa, the Mongolian nomad, and the Amazon Indians. He knows which of them will choose for him if given the chance and he calls them, too. How he reaches them I have no idea but the Bible says that he does.

When God does direct action, it does not please everyone. Consider the cities of Sodom, and Gomarrah.

Yep, and challenging God / Arguing with God’s will can lead to some not so good things as well.

Faith

You know I hear this from folks who use it as a reason for not attending but find it really just a lack of much effort on their part. I would leave a church whose message wasn't Pro faith and who put themselves above others. In fact I did so BUT I have seen and heard very few people actually openly disparage other Christian religions in this way. I got a load from my Catholic family for having issues with many of those tenants. I never start an argument with them and find it easy to avoid by staying with scriptural responses and not being one to refute their beliefs but encourage them to stay strong in their faith no matter what that is. I happen to like fellowship churches as I find them non judgmental, not focused over much on tithing and having members that openly care for one another in tangible ways. I feel in nearly every message there is something directed to me - for my well being. If you can' find a church where you feel a presence and purpose you can't be looking hard enough. Not trying to chastise but would encourage you to just try a few more . Make the effort and be rewarded.