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Posted By: Steve FBI Memo Ripe Speculation Thread - 02/01/18
Memo drop tomorrow. What do you think it's gonna say?
That the feds were playing fast and loose with the rules.
Super cops out too get a conviction like a bunch of red neck county cops.
That somebody misrepresented the Steele memo to the FISA court for one. Probably the significance of other "evidence" as well.
It’s going to say that the FBI and Justice Department mislead a Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court judge in seeking an extension of a warrant for a secret eavesdropping operation against Carter Page. It will also show that the dossier used was paid for by liberal schitholes.
[sarcasm] You can't say schithole anymore. It's a white supremacist code word/dog whistle simply because Trump was alleged to have said it.[/sarcasm]
IF it says anything like I expect it to say (that the FBI's senior staff "was up to their ears in" a conspiracy to injure DT), some people are likely to see the inside of federal prison bars.

yours, tex
Originally Posted by Toddly
It’s going to say that the FBI and Justice Department mislead a Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court judge in seeking an extension of a warrant for a secret eavesdropping operation against Carter Page. It will also show that the dossier used was paid for by liberal schitholes.


This... AND that senior members of the DOJ and FBI were actively trying to thwart Trump's campaign. AND that senior members of the FBI and DOJ were basically covering for Hillary's crimes. Note: It would have been all mute if Hillary would have just won. Everyone in government thought she was going to win.

I firmly believe that many Americans are never going to think of their government the same way again.
We’ll never hear the entire message. I’d bet it’s been changed and edited to make the FBI not look as bad as the first version.
Originally Posted by RAS
Originally Posted by Toddly
It’s going to say that the FBI and Justice Department mislead a Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court judge in seeking an extension of a warrant for a secret eavesdropping operation against Carter Page. It will also show that the dossier used was paid for by liberal schitholes.


This... AND that senior members of the DOJ and FBI were actively trying to thwart Trump's campaign. AND that senior members of the FBI and DOJ were basically covering for Hillary's crimes. Note: It would have been all mute if Hillary would have just won. Everyone in government thought she was going to win.

I firmly believe that many Americans are never going to think of their government the same way again.


Moot
It won't be released today
Originally Posted by rgrx1276
We’ll never hear the entire message. I’d bet it’s been changed and edited to make the FBI not look as bad as the first version.


Yep, we'll never know what the message was in it's original content.
Originally Posted by JamesJr
Originally Posted by rgrx1276
We’ll never hear the entire message. I’d bet it’s been changed and edited to make the FBI not look as bad as the first version.


Yep, we'll never know what the message was in it's original content.



Trump needs to fix that.

I know he's got a copy laying around...
Originally Posted by jorgeI
It won't be released today


Really, hmmmmm......well then, Trump will have a decision to make today, either expose the SWAMP or become a card carrying member of it.
or tomorrow......
Originally Posted by Harry M
Originally Posted by jorgeI
It won't be released today


Really, hmmmmm......well then, Trump will have a decision to make today, either expose the SWAMP or become a card carrying member of it.

He has five days to do so. I'm thinking he wants the news cycle to talk about his speech for a few days more and if he releases it today or tomorrow, the speech gets forgotten.
Trump has to do what Wray says, or the FBI will show "proof" of obstruction of justice.

Speculation: Chaffetz, Gowdy, Issa and others arent running for re-election because they dont want to have a hand in the up coming illegal coup Ryan, Sessions and the commies are instigating.
Most likely, Trump will slow roll this one.

If he has the memo himself sitting on his desk, think of the power it gives him for as long as he keeps it in secret. He holds all the cards and "leaks" them as he sees fit.

I think the American citizens deserve to see the memo. But a power-hungry POTUS probably has different motivations.
Will say the FBI "misspoke"..
Originally Posted by DakotaDeer
Most likely, Trump will slow roll this one.

If he has the memo himself sitting on his desk, think of the power it gives him for as long as he keeps it in secret. He holds all the cards and "leaks" them as he sees fit.

I think the American citizens deserve to see the memo. But a power-hungry POTUS probably has different motivations.


There's that point in time that passes the usefulness of releasing it.

Wait too long, and it just sinks in the swamp, and people file it away as "Business as usual".
Originally Posted by jorgeI
Originally Posted by Harry M
Originally Posted by jorgeI
It won't be released today


Really, hmmmmm......well then, Trump will have a decision to make today, either expose the SWAMP or become a card carrying member of it.

He has five days to do so. I'm thinking he wants the news cycle to talk about his speech for a few days more and if he releases it today or tomorrow, the speech gets forgotten.


That was a great speech. Anyone that heard it won’t forget.
I'm prepared to be underwhelmed by its contents.
Originally Posted by jmh3
I'm prepared to be underwhelmed by its contents.


Like your posts underwhelm?
Originally Posted by jmh3
I'm prepared to be underwhelmed by its contents.



We ALREADY know what it says.

The FBI & DOJ tipped the scales for Hillary.

They illegally spied on Trump because they were weaponized by the Obama Administration.

The top FBI & DOJ officials were and are corrupt and shredded the Constitution for their agenda of Big Govt.
Originally Posted by jorgeI
It won't be released today


That could very well be, it's been reported that the memo the WH is reviewing is not the same memo the HIC voted on to release. Whatever happens, it's sure to be a chitshow.

Adam Schiff accuses Devin Nunes of making 'material changes' to memo given to White House

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"BREAKING: Discovered late tonight that Chairman Nunes made material changes to the memo he sent to White House – changes not approved by the Committee," Schiff said in a tweet late Wednesday. "White House therefore reviewing a document the Committee has not approved for release."

Schiff also shared a copy of a letter he sent to Nunes on Wednesday claiming that the Democrats on the committee learned that the classified memo shared by the committee majority with the White House did not feature the same content that House members had reviewed before voting to release it to the public earlier this week.

"After reviewing both versions, it is clear that the Majority made material change to the version it sent to the White House, which Committee Members never apprised of, never had the opportunity to review, and never approved," the letter says. "This is deeply troubling because it means that the Committee Majority transmitted to the White House an altered version of its classified document that is materially different than the version on which the Committee voted. The White House has therefore been reviewing a document since Monday night that the Committee never approved for public release."

"While the Majority’s changes do not correct the profound distortions and inaccuracies in your document, they are nonetheless substantive," the letter continues. "The fact that the Majority found it necessary to make these changes without informing the Committee during the vote signifies that the Committee Majority no longer stands by the representation it has made to House Members in its original document and felt it necessary to deceive Committee Members during Monday’s vote, by withholding the fact that it planned to send a different document to the White House."
their response is that the changes they made were at the request of the FBI and democrats

Either the memo is false and the people who crafted it will be discredited or the memo is true and the people directed in it have been insubordination in their actions

If the memo is a lie, then the FBI would not have "grave concerns" about its release.
Originally Posted by NeBassman
Originally Posted by jorgeI
It won't be released today


That could very well be, it's been reported that the memo the WH is reviewing is not the same memo the HIC voted on to release. Whatever happens, it's sure to be a chitshow.

Adam Schiff accuses Devin Nunes of making 'material changes' to memo given to White House

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"BREAKING: Discovered late tonight that Chairman Nunes made material changes to the memo he sent to White House – changes not approved by the Committee," Schiff said in a tweet late Wednesday. "White House therefore reviewing a document the Committee has not approved for release."

Schiff also shared a copy of a letter he sent to Nunes on Wednesday claiming that the Democrats on the committee learned that the classified memo shared by the committee majority with the White House did not feature the same content that House members had reviewed before voting to release it to the public earlier this week.

"After reviewing both versions, it is clear that the Majority made material change to the version it sent to the White House, which Committee Members never apprised of, never had the opportunity to review, and never approved," the letter says. "This is deeply troubling because it means that the Committee Majority transmitted to the White House an altered version of its classified document that is materially different than the version on which the Committee voted. The White House has therefore been reviewing a document since Monday night that the Committee never approved for public release."

"While the Majority’s changes do not correct the profound distortions and inaccuracies in your document, they are nonetheless substantive," the letter continues. "The fact that the Majority found it necessary to make these changes without informing the Committee during the vote signifies that the Committee Majority no longer stands by the representation it has made to House Members in its original document and felt it necessary to deceive Committee Members during Monday’s vote, by withholding the fact that it planned to send a different document to the White House."





Yeah, Pencil Neck Schiff wouldn't lie, now would he?

Oh yeah. He's a Dimmocrat.

Why are they all losing their minds about releasing this?

They would be screaming for the release if it HURT Trump.

Did Feinstein jump through hoops when she released testimony on the fake Russian Dossier that was nothing but vile, paid for lies?

I didn't think so.
Originally Posted by KFWA
their response is that the changes they made were at the request of the FBI and democrats


All the more reason to release the unedited version...
Pencilneck Schiff will be exposed as the lyin' weasel he is.
Originally Posted by Crockettnj
Originally Posted by RAS
Originally Posted by Toddly
It’s going to say that the FBI and Justice Department mislead a Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court judge in seeking an extension of a warrant for a secret eavesdropping operation against Carter Page. It will also show that the dossier used was paid for by liberal schitholes.


This... AND that senior members of the DOJ and FBI were actively trying to thwart Trump's campaign. AND that senior members of the FBI and DOJ were basically covering for Hillary's crimes. Note: It would have been all mute if Hillary would have just won. Everyone in government thought she was going to win.

I firmly believe that many Americans are never going to think of their government the same way again.


Moot

MUTE also, because we would have never heard about it. cool
Originally Posted by kroo88
Pencilneck Schiff will be exposed as the lyin' weasel he is.



They all are exposed daily.

We know them for what they are. Enemies of our country.
Originally Posted by KFWA
their response is that the changes they made were at the request of the FBI and democrats

Either the memo is false and the people who crafted it will be discredited or the memo is true and the people directed in it have been insubordination in their actions

If the memo is a lie, then the FBI would not have "grave concerns" about its release.


CORRECT. All the democrats and the FBI Swamp are doing is stalling..
Originally Posted by jorgeI
Originally Posted by KFWA
their response is that the changes they made were at the request of the FBI and democrats

Either the memo is false and the people who crafted it will be discredited or the memo is true and the people directed in it have been insubordination in their actions

If the memo is a lie, then the FBI would not have "grave concerns" about its release.


CORRECT. All the democrats and the FBI Swamp are doing is stalling..



Wray already fired McCabe over it.

It must have some credibility...
Originally Posted by kroo88
Pencilneck Schiff will be exposed as the lyin' weasel he is.


Nunes might get exposed as well. This memo might end up the same way Nune's "unmasking" claims went last spring.

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The Republican chairman of the House intelligence committee refused to answer when a colleague asked him if he had coordinated his incendiary surveillance memo with the White House, The Daily Beast has learned.


At this point my speculation is that the memo will end up being a real party pooper, all salt and no tequila. Which party gets pooped on remains to be seen.
Originally Posted by Steve
Memo drop tomorrow. What do you think it's gonna say?

Things most on here already know.
Originally Posted by rockinbbar
Originally Posted by jorgeI
Originally Posted by KFWA
their response is that the changes they made were at the request of the FBI and democrats

Either the memo is false and the people who crafted it will be discredited or the memo is true and the people directed in it have been insubordination in their actions

If the memo is a lie, then the FBI would not have "grave concerns" about its release.


CORRECT. All the democrats and the FBI Swamp are doing is stalling..



Wray already fired McCabe over it.

It must have some credibility...


Wray demoted McCabe over the IG report that hasn't been released yet, it had nothing to do with Nunes memo. Rumors are that the IG report is about slow walking the investigation into the discovery of emails on Weiner's computer right before the election.

FBI's Wray makes clear McCabe’s retirement tied to IG’s Clinton report

Originally Posted by rockinbbar
Originally Posted by jmh3
I'm prepared to be underwhelmed by its contents.



We ALREADY know what it says.

The FBI & DOJ tipped the scales for Hillary.

They illegally spied on Trump because they were weaponized by the Obama Administration.

The top FBI & DOJ officials were and are corrupt and shredded the Constitution for their agenda of Big Govt.


Knowing what they did and knowing what the report says are two different things. Unless the report is specific as to names, dates, and actions, it will be spun as a speculative hit piece authored by Republicans. I've been waiting for the big corruption bombshell to drop since Bill Clinton took office and it never seems to materialize. If the specifics can't be released because they are classified, then act on them and lets see some arrests and prosecutions or even a civil rights case filed by the subjects of the illegal searches.
Originally Posted by NeBassman


Nunes might get exposed as well. This memo might end up the same way Nune's "unmasking" claims went last spring.

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The Republican chairman of the House intelligence committee refused to answer when a colleague asked him if he had coordinated his incendiary surveillance memo with the White House, The Daily Beast has learned.





That's not quite what happened according to the transcript. He answered no, then went on to say he wasn't going to entertain any more questions. The DB reporter got fed misinformation from someone and she didn't verify it.


Transcript Shows The Daily Beast Peddled Fake News About Devin Nunes

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The Daily Beast's headline, subheadline, and lede about the chairman of the House Intelligence Committee refusing to answer a question are all false.
JANUARY 31, 2018 By Mollie Hemingway
Once again, reporters got burned by believing anonymous Democrats on the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence.

Betsy Woodruff and Spencer Ackerman of The Daily Beast credulously believed their “sources familiar with the exchange,” who said Republican Rep. Devin Nunes, the chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, refused to deny he had coordinated with the White House when putting together a memo alleging surveillance and law enforcement abuses at the FBI.

In fact, Nunes explicitly denied the charge before shutting down the line of questioning in order to provide other members who were not trying to hijack the hearing time to get actual committee business done.

According to a transcript of the meeting, the Daily Beast’s headline, subheadline, and lede are all false. The headline was “Devin Nunes Won’t Say If He Worked With White House on Anti-FBI Memo.” The subhead was “The House intel committee GOP leader refused to answer behind closed doors if he coordinated with the president’s team on his report blasting Rosenstein, Comey, and McCabe.” The lede is “The Republican chairman of the House intelligence committee refused to answer when a colleague asked him if he had coordinated his incendiary surveillance memo with the White House, The Daily Beast has learned.” But that apparently wasn’t enough, as the Daily Beast even blared “non-denial” above the headline in bright red font.


Contrary to what the Daily Beast claims, which is that Nunes refused to answer, the transcript shows he explicitly denied the charge, saying, “I would just answer, as far as I know, no.”

After repeating the Nunes-specific false claims three times, Woodruff and Ackerman claimed more narrowly:

During Monday’s contentious closed-door committee meeting, Rep. Mike Quigley, a Democrat, asked Nunes point-blank if his staffers had been talking with the White House as they compiled a four-page memo alleging FBI and Justice Department abuses over surveillance of President Trump’s allies in the Russia probe.

According to sources familiar with the exchange, Nunes made a few comments that didn’t answer the question before finally responding, “I’m not answering.”

Additionally, the quote attributed to Nunes by the Daily Beast, “I’m not answering,” appears nowhere in the exchange according to a transcript of the meeting. A review of the transcript makes clear that Nunes answered the question before returning to committee business and allowing other members to speak about the pending business or make additional motions. You can see for yourself here:

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When the transcript came to light, Woodruff defended her original reporting by ignoring the many falsehoods prominently featured in her story, conveniently omitting the accusation which she originally reported Nunes refused to deny.

This publication of false information based on anonymous Democratic sources on the Intelligence Committee is reminiscent of CNN’s embarrassing publication of a claim that Donald Trump, Jr., had colluded to publicize a new Wikileaks stash of hacked emails ahead of its public release. In that case, CNN claimed two independent sources. But it turned out that these two supposedly independent sources had provided false information about the email’s date. The correct date, after the public release of those records, completely destroyed the claim. CNN has still not revealed which sources lied to the network and its audience by providing false information, or why the network publicized information without first verifying whether it was even true.

The Daily Beast has also published false information when it accused Chairman Nunes of sneaking to the White House at midnight to secretly review top-secret documents. Rep. Adam Schiff, who is plausibly the source of this false claim, repeated the false claim earlier this week. In fact, Nunes reviewed the documents during daylight hours, as he corrected the record publicly on CNN in April. In that case, it was Tim Mak who credulously accepted false information without verifying it.

The entire transcript of the Monday hearing is available for review here.


Originally Posted by NeBassman
Originally Posted by kroo88
Pencilneck Schiff will be exposed as the lyin' weasel he is.


Nunes might get exposed as well. This memo might end up the same way Nune's "unmasking" claims went last spring.

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The Republican chairman of the House intelligence committee refused to answer when a colleague asked him if he had coordinated his incendiary surveillance memo with the White House, The Daily Beast has learned.


At this point my speculation is that the memo will end up being a real party pooper, all salt and no tequila. Which party gets pooped on remains to be seen.




OLD, LEFTIST and INCORRECT. Nunes was COMPLETELY cleared of any wrongdoing a few months ago. I suppose it's a lost cause, but when are you on the left going to stop and realize this whole thing was a made up story by Hillary and the democrats?
Ha. Not hardly. Most Rs are saying to release it. ALL dumascraps are decrying the proposed leak of the truth. Ask a kid why that would be, since youre obviously too stupid to figure it out by yourself, or are you just that much of a disingenuous liar?

So which is it? Are you really that stupid or are you just a liar?
Originally Posted by jaguartx
Ha. Not hardly. Most Rs are saying to release it. ALL dumascraps are decrying the proposed leak of the truth. Ask a kid why that would be, since youre obviously to stupid to figure it out by yourself, or are you just that much of a disingenuous liar?
That.
Good to know, because if comes to light that there was coordination with Nunes and the WH in writing the HIC memo, it would certainly be looked at as evidence in an obstruction of justice case.
You mean like Hillary deleting 30,000 subpoened emails, destroying cell phones, bleaching computers, lying to congress......
Originally Posted by kroo88
Pencilneck Schiff will be exposed as the lyin' weasel he is.

I could only hope. He'll just lie his way out of it. It's what lieberals do, and really pretty well in that the lemmings don't care so they willingly swallow the lies of the left.
Originally Posted by nighthawk
That somebody misrepresented the Steele memo to the FISA court for one. Probably the significance of other "evidence" as well.


This. I'm thinking the FISA judge may not be happy with certain individuals in the FBI.
Originally Posted by NeBassman
Good to know, because if comes to light that there was coordination with Nunes and the WH in writing the HIC memo, it would certainly be looked at as evidence in an obstruction of justice case.



Originally Posted by rgrx1276
We’ll never hear the entire message. I’d bet it’s been changed and edited to make the FBI not look as bad as the first version.



I bet it's heavily redacted,, and because of that it probably won't tell the whole story.
Originally Posted by NeBassman
Good to know, because if comes to light that there was coordination with Nunes and the WH in writing the HIC memo, it would certainly be looked at as evidence in an obstruction of justice case.

No it wouldn't, that would be COLLUSION which BTW, is not a crime in this context.
Originally Posted by NeBassman
Good to know, because if comes to light that there was coordination with Nunes and the WH in writing the HIC memo, it would certainly be looked at as evidence in an obstruction of justice case.

Not if pertinent information was needed for truth and transparency. I understand the lying left has no understanding of those concepts. I can see no circumstance where obstruction of justice could occur.
They wear their lies like a badge of honor, as does nebassman. Communists are not restricted by the rules of normal humans, have already sold their souls to the devil. Those headed to hell like to cause as much misery among others as they can, even if they arent consciously aware of the fact. Rabid dogs are good examples, except they arent headed to hell.
Originally Posted by satx78247
IF it says anything like I expect it to say (that the FBI's senior staff "was up to their ears in" a conspiracy to injure DT), some people are likely to see the inside of federal prison bars.



Get real..................that's not going to happen, at least not over this memo alone & surely not right now. Best we can hope for is that they are all fired with extreme prejudice right now.

Depends on how much more the crooks can actually be hung with later.................but I'd surely love to see, McCabe, Strozk, Page & Rothenstein wearing orange jump suits, The Muslim & Hitlery, too but that will never happen either.

MM
We've heard from one of the all knowing leftists here, suppose I'll withhold my thoughts until a couple more of them show up and enlighten us all.
JeffO, Starman......where you at?
Originally Posted by Raeford
We've heard from one of the all knowing leftists here, suppose I'll withhold my thoughts until a couple more of them show up and enlighten us all.
JeffO, Starman......where you at?



Jeffo, NeBassman, and Rollin Turd are one and the same.
Originally Posted by DakotaDeer
Most likely, Trump will slow roll this one.

If he has the memo himself sitting on his desk, think of the power it gives him for as long as he keeps it in secret. He holds all the cards and "leaks" them as he sees fit.

I think the American citizens deserve to see the memo. But a power-hungry POTUS probably has different motivations.



If you'd have been paying attention for the past couple of years, you'd already have a good idea of what the gist of the memo says....bottom line is that senior staff at the DOJ and FBI were in the bag for the DNC...and unverified/paid for/manufactured information was used to obtain FISA warrants in order to wiretap Trump, his campaign staff, and after the election, his transition team....If you remember, Trump said during his campaign that Obama was wiretapping him....this "Russian Collusion" angle was the "insurance policy" they thought would bring down a newly elected president.....house of cards
Here is what FISA experts are saying.

‘Inconceivable’: Why Experts Don’t Believe The Nunes Memo Is What GOPers Claim

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There are many reasons FISA experts don’t expect the allegations to stand up to the hype, which has involved a Twitter campaign to #ReleaseTheMemo and included GOP claims that what it shows is worse than Watergate.

For Republicans claims of an abuse to be true, one would have to assume that the dossier was the sole basis of the warrant application, that it was a “fabrication” and that the DOJ knew that it was a fabrication when it applied for the FISA warrant, Vladeck said.

“All three things would have to be true for this to actually be an abuse of FISA,” Vladeck said, adding that he wouldn’t take the claims seriously unless the White House declassifies the underlying warrant.

“The major problem here is that this is only arguably scandalous in any way if [the DOJ] just essentially repacked the dossier as a warrant package without any work of their own,” Sanchez said, adding that it would be “inconceivable to me that would be the only source.”

“I doubt they based it on a single source of information,” said a former Republican chair of the House Intel Committee, Mike Rogers, on CNN.

“I can’t imagine that the dossier was the centerpiece of a FISA application,” said Robert Litt, a former general counsel for the Office of the Director of National Intelligence who also worked for the Justice Department.

“Number one, I don’t think the Department of Justice would have allowed that to go forward as the sole basis. Number two, I don’t think a judge would have approved probable cause on that basis alone,” Litt said. “And number three, everything I read has suggested that there was considerable other information about Page before this dossier came in.”

The FISA warrant applications presented to the judge end up being dozens of pages long, according to former officials. A four-page memo that sought to summarize it would be a “carefully picked bowl of cherries,” John McLaughlin, who served as acting CIA director under George W. Bush, said on Twitter.


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“Given a lot of stuff that’s already public about Page and about past known attempts to recruit him, it certainly seems like they could well have plenty to go on without the dossier,” Sanchez said.

Court documents filed in 2015 show that the government had intercepted two Russian figures discussing the prospect of recruiting Page, and the FBI interviewed Page in 2013 about his Russian contacts. The Washington Post reported the FISA application cited those communications and others not publicly disclosed. In the spring of 2017, Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein reportedly approved an application to extend the FISA surveillance on Page.

“There would have been probably months, if not years of investigative activity on Carter Page prior to going to the court to begin with,” Rangappa said.

Before a FISA application makes it to the judge, it travels through many layers of review at the FBI that also includes career DOJ lawyers, who verify the source of every fact laid out in the application’s affidavit, according to Rangappa. A warrant for Page would have been treated with extra scrutiny, given the political sensitivities of him having been affiliated with Trump’s campaign, Rangappa said, adding that former FBI Director James Comey would have also likely signed off on it.

“I think a judge would have gone through that with a fine tooth comb and asked many questions,” she said.
From the comments in that article.

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So there are two more aspects to the Nunes memo and the #ReleasetheMemo movement.

First, it is now clear beyond dispute that the #ReleasetheMemo activity has been taken over by Russian bots. That fact needs to be in every discussion of this issue.

Second, though, while the article quotes several intelligence experts about the kind of information needed for the original FISA warrant, the warrant that is the subject of the Nunes memo is the renewal application signed off on by Rod Rosenstein. According to Ron Klain on MSNBC, in order to renew a FISA warrant, the supporting affidavit needs to document that material information has been obtained from the original warrant. If the original warrant came up empty, the warrant will not be renewed. Accordingly, whatever Rosenstein signed had to include an itemization of the conversations between Page and the Russians that had already yielded usable intelligence.

This is a fact worth keeping mind.
Originally Posted by rockinbbar
Originally Posted by Raeford
We've heard from one of the all knowing leftists here, suppose I'll withhold my thoughts until a couple more of them show up and enlighten us all.
JeffO, Starman......where you at?



Jeffo, NeBassman, and Rollin Turd are one and the same.


No one person could have all that much stupid rolled up in them and breath- I dont think.
I think Trump absolutely would say "make the Mueller investigation go away and I'll lose this memo"

The problem is the FBI is so full of people that want him to crash and burn they'd leak it the moment it happens, or hell, they'll lie about it and say he said it anyways.

For Trump now, the better course of action isn't negotiation, its scorched earth because he has no friends in the FBI.

Oddly enough I think the CIA loves him because he told the CIA director he was going to turn them loose. Reading between the lines I think he gave the CIA a directive to take out dough boy in North Korea.
That's a nice "balanced" source.........
Originally Posted by jorgeI
That's a nice "balanced" source.........


As balanced as the Fire?

Stolen from elsewhere, literally outside the right wing bubble of reality, the question, "is there any merit to this?"

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Makes me think there is something irrefutable coming.


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Of course there is. If the inside scoop was that no crime has been committed, republicans would be building up Mueller to be the consummate impartial pro so that when he announced he found nothing it wouldn't be questioned.

What we're seeing is the opposite, and that tells us all we need to know.


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I'm glad to see you stating that so bluntly. I've been thinking the same thing.

Republicans are the real way we take the temperature on this crisis. Mueller ain't leaking [bleep], Dems don't know what's happening, so we have to watch what Republicans do.

What they're doing looks exactly like a panic to deflect blame. Blame for what? That suggests they know the hammer's coming down.
Originally Posted by RAS
Originally Posted by Toddly
It’s going to say that the FBI and Justice Department mislead a Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court judge in seeking an extension of a warrant for a secret eavesdropping operation against Carter Page. It will also show that the dossier used was paid for by liberal schitholes.


This... AND that senior members of the DOJ and FBI were actively trying to thwart Trump's campaign. AND that senior members of the FBI and DOJ were basically covering for Hillary's crimes. Note: It would have been all mute if Hillary would have just won. Everyone in government thought she was going to win.

I firmly believe that many Americans are never going to think of their government the same way again.


+1 - what little faith in our Government I had left has already been shaken. If this goes bad, it will take a long time to restore.
Originally Posted by NeBassman
Originally Posted by jorgeI
That's a nice "balanced" source.........


As balanced as the Fire?

Stolen from elsewhere, literally outside the right wing bubble of reality, the question, "is there any merit to this?"

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Makes me think there is something irrefutable coming.


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Of course there is. If the inside scoop was that no crime has been committed, republicans would be building up Mueller to be the consummate impartial pro so that when he announced he found nothing it wouldn't be questioned.

What we're seeing is the opposite, and that tells us all we need to know.


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I'm glad to see you stating that so bluntly. I've been thinking the same thing.

Republicans are the real way we take the temperature on this crisis. Mueller ain't leaking [bleep], Dems don't know what's happening, so we have to watch what Republicans do.

What they're doing looks exactly like a panic to deflect blame. Blame for what? That suggests they know the hammer's coming down.


The "Fire" is not a news source it is a repository of OPINIONS and that's part of the problem with you lefties, you either refuse to or are too blinded to discern the difference between opinion and FACTS...
There is some bad schitsky in this memo. Thats why Wray, hired by Trump, and Schifturd are so against its release.

When Trump walked to the SOTU speech a R rep said he wanted the memo released. Trump said it would be released.

Which party, along with the FBI and DOJ, nebassturd, colluded with Russia to throw a POTUS election. Shades of Putin and the KGB? I better give you 3 guesses.

If TRUMP caves to Schifface and Wray, then who really runs the FBI and possibly the US?
It doesn't really matter what the memo says - the Dimmocrats are already saying that it has so many redactions that the "real" story isn't being told and, therefore, the memo shouldn't mean anything. Continuing to deny, deny, deny.....

I'm just waiting (well, hoping) for the day they find Hillary on a walking trail somewhere with her brains blown out by her own doing.
Most dems are underwhelmed.
Jaguartx, NeBassman proves you wrong today big buddy.. LOL
Originally Posted by Triggernosis
It doesn't really matter what the memo says - the Dimmocrats are already saying that it has so many redactions that the "real" story isn't being told and, therefore, the memo shouldn't mean anything. Continuing to deny, deny, deny.....

I'm just waiting (well, hoping) for the day they find Hillary on a walking trail somewhere with her brains blown out from the back by Soros or Zero with her own gun and its called suicide.
wink
Ivanka had a boob job.
Originally Posted by RAS
Originally Posted by Toddly
It’s going to say that the FBI and Justice Department mislead a Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court judge in seeking an extension of a warrant for a secret eavesdropping operation against Carter Page. It will also show that the dossier used was paid for by liberal schitholes.


This... AND that senior members of the DOJ and FBI were actively trying to thwart Trump's campaign. AND that senior members of the FBI and DOJ were basically covering for Hillary's crimes. Note: It would have been all mute if Hillary would have just won. Everyone in government thought she was going to win.

I firmly believe that many Americans are never going to think of their government the same way again.


I remember when that used to be called a "Coup." Generally, following a failed Coup, many of the actors and co-conspirators were tried, then summarily executed. Let's hope that is the case for this bunch.
Originally Posted by jaguartx
There is some bad schitsky in this memo. Thats why Wray, hired by Trump, and Schifturd are so against its release.



Well, I surely hope beyond hope that you are right & that's there's some substance there & not just a lot of half baked innuendo..........that will not be a good thing if it is.

MM
Originally Posted by NeBassman
Good to know, because if comes to light that there was coordination with Nunes and the WH in writing the HIC memo, it would certainly be looked at as evidence in an obstruction of justice case.



A source familiar with the memo said the edits included some addressing grammar and clarity, as well as an edit done at the request of the FBI and another at the request of committee Democrats. The source challenged Schiff’s claims, saying the edits were made before the memo went to the White House.

From Molly Hemingway at the Federalist...
Originally Posted by larrylee
Jaguartx, NeBassman proves you wrong today big buddy.. LOL


Laughing, his lying ass made my ignore list long ago, I don't read his posts. A dishonest man can always be trusted to be dishonest.
The stupid just oozes...

A liberal coming HERE to try and convince us that liberals are right and conservatives and Trump are wrong.


Has anyone changed their minds yet?
Originally Posted by NeBassman
Originally Posted by larrylee
Jaguartx, NeBassman proves you wrong today big buddy.. LOL


Laughing, his lying ass made my ignore list long ago, I don't read his posts. A dishonest man can always be trusted to be dishonest.



So we can assume that you feel that EVERYTHING the FBI & DOJ did concerning the 2016 Presidential election from summer 2016-summer 2017 was completely above board[no laws broken] and was completely within the bounds of the law as written.
nevermind this investigation, does anyone think the FBI and DOJ is above board ....period?

so why do they think they suddenly became the bastions of integrity in dealing with Trump and Hillary?

Its healthier when a person applies distrust of government across the board and not on events that adversely affect their ideology.

I'm closer to believing they attempted a coup against the President of the United States than I am they operated in within the rules.
Joshua Micah Marshall.

What a Liberal buffoon you are.

Originally Posted by NeBassman
Here is what FISA experts are saying.

‘Inconceivable’: Why Experts Don’t Believe The Nunes Memo Is What GOPers Claim

Quote
There are many reasons FISA experts don’t expect the allegations to stand up to the hype, which has involved a Twitter campaign to #ReleaseTheMemo and included GOP claims that what it shows is worse than Watergate.

For Republicans claims of an abuse to be true, one would have to assume that the dossier was the sole basis of the warrant application, that it was a “fabrication” and that the DOJ knew that it was a fabrication when it applied for the FISA warrant, Vladeck said.

“All three things would have to be true for this to actually be an abuse of FISA,” Vladeck said, adding that he wouldn’t take the claims seriously unless the White House declassifies the underlying warrant.

“The major problem here is that this is only arguably scandalous in any way if [the DOJ] just essentially repacked the dossier as a warrant package without any work of their own,” Sanchez said, adding that it would be “inconceivable to me that would be the only source.”

“I doubt they based it on a single source of information,” said a former Republican chair of the House Intel Committee, Mike Rogers, on CNN.

“I can’t imagine that the dossier was the centerpiece of a FISA application,” said Robert Litt, a former general counsel for the Office of the Director of National Intelligence who also worked for the Justice Department.

“Number one, I don’t think the Department of Justice would have allowed that to go forward as the sole basis. Number two, I don’t think a judge would have approved probable cause on that basis alone,” Litt said. “And number three, everything I read has suggested that there was considerable other information about Page before this dossier came in.”

The FISA warrant applications presented to the judge end up being dozens of pages long, according to former officials. A four-page memo that sought to summarize it would be a “carefully picked bowl of cherries,” John McLaughlin, who served as acting CIA director under George W. Bush, said on Twitter.


Quote
“Given a lot of stuff that’s already public about Page and about past known attempts to recruit him, it certainly seems like they could well have plenty to go on without the dossier,” Sanchez said.

Court documents filed in 2015 show that the government had intercepted two Russian figures discussing the prospect of recruiting Page, and the FBI interviewed Page in 2013 about his Russian contacts. The Washington Post reported the FISA application cited those communications and others not publicly disclosed. In the spring of 2017, Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein reportedly approved an application to extend the FISA surveillance on Page.

“There would have been probably months, if not years of investigative activity on Carter Page prior to going to the court to begin with,” Rangappa said.

Before a FISA application makes it to the judge, it travels through many layers of review at the FBI that also includes career DOJ lawyers, who verify the source of every fact laid out in the application’s affidavit, according to Rangappa. A warrant for Page would have been treated with extra scrutiny, given the political sensitivities of him having been affiliated with Trump’s campaign, Rangappa said, adding that former FBI Director James Comey would have also likely signed off on it.

“I think a judge would have gone through that with a fine tooth comb and asked many questions,” she said.
Originally Posted by KFWA
nevermind this investigation, does anyone think the FBI and DOJ is above board ....period?

so why do they think they suddenly became the bastions of integrity in dealing with Trump and Hillary?

Its healthier when a person applies distrust of government across the board and not on events that adversely affect their ideology.

I'm closer to believing they attempted a coup against the President of the United States than I am they operated in within the rules.


Exactly what I was trying to convey KFWA.

After the man from Nebraska stated this: "A dishonest man can always be trusted to be dishonest."
Originally Posted by jorgeI
That's a nice "balanced" source.........


I checked out his source

What a joke . Cant believe idiots would view and believe the crap on TPM
Originally Posted by ribka
Originally Posted by jorgeI
That's a nice "balanced" source.........


I checked out his source

What a joke . Cant believe idiots would view and believe the crap on TPM



That's the only places these idiots get their "news"....

They don't even know or care how badly they are being deceived...

They WANT to be lied to. You can't have a liberal Utopia when there is even the slightest degree of truth.
Originally Posted by larrylee
Most dems are underwhelmed.

All dems are idiots, traitors, vile sub-humans. Other than that, they might make some OK fertilizer where primarily sand is grown.

Now, they haven't always been that way, at least not to the degree of vileness they exemplify now, but since they have started this wretched campaign to turn the greatest country in the world to a total chithole of filth, I, and many others, take extreme umbrage.

So if you see, or know, of any of these foolish filthy vermin, let them know it's back off time, seek help if necessary, and deconstruct the insanity, or the pleasantries and cheerful natures may come to an end.
Originally Posted by rockinbbar
The stupid just oozes...

A liberal coming HERE to try and convince us that liberals are right and conservatives and Trump are wrong.


Has anyone changed their minds yet?

I saw all I need to ever know about liberals at the state of the union address Tuesday night.
Originally Posted by NeBassman
Originally Posted by larrylee
Jaguartx, NeBassman proves you wrong today big buddy.. LOL


Laughing, his lying ass made my ignore list long ago, I don't read his posts. A dishonest man can always be trusted to be dishonest.


You put me on ignore because you dont have the brains to answer the questions i pose to you without implicating your anti American tendancies.

I bet you didnt put those bastions of truth, Zero and Hillary, on ignore.

NeBassman has facts correct as we know right now. FISA Judges will no allow surveillance to continue unless more damaging information
has continued to be found on the investigation up to that point. No matter what new 90day file says. Don,t forget all FISA judges are
Republicans.


The FBI had Carter Page in their sights since 2014 at least. One of these days he will cross
the line and he will get to see the inside of a prison.
Originally Posted by GunTruck50


The FBI had Carter Page in their sights since 2014 at least. One of these days he will cross
the line and he will get to see the inside of a prison.

It's a pity you never saw the inside of a grade school.
Originally Posted by GunTruck50

NeBassman has facts correct as we know right now. FISA Judges will no allow surveillance to continue unless more damaging information
has continued to be found on the investigation up to that point. No matter what new 90day file says. Don,t forget all FISA judges are
Republicans.


All the FISA court judges are Republican? really? do you have a source to back that up? or are you making chit up again? maybe listening to CNN?

Even if you are correct and they all are Republican , do you realize the swamp is full of Republicans also?

You libtards are a special kind of stupid.
Originally Posted by GunTruck50

NeBassman has facts correct as we know right now. FISA Judges will no allow surveillance to continue unless more damaging information
has continued to be found on the investigation up to that point. No matter what new 90day file says. Don,t forget all FISA judges are
Republicans.


The FBI used the fake Russian Dossier paid for by Hillary's campaign, which contained NO EVIDENCE, and no probable cause, and was completely unsubstantiated to get the FISA warrant.

That's where things went sounth for the Dimmies and the FBI.

It's called misuse of public office, and perjury. And treason.

That's where you are wrong FISA court use stacks of information. It is
never based on one item. That one item would carry very little weight unless confirmed by other
sources, which FBI had on Carter Page.
Originally Posted by GunTruck50

NeBassman has facts correct as we know right now. FISA Judges will no allow surveillance to continue unless more damaging information
has continued to be found on the investigation up to that point. No matter what new 90day file says. Don,t forget all FISA judges are
Republicans.
It is not at issue the party affiliation of who was sitting on the court when requests to unmask were made but if those requests were supported by valid information or tripe paid for by the opposition party who deceived the judge into believing the documents were legitimate.
NeBassman only has lieberal facts correct as evaluated by another lieberal, but which are never truly correct in this present darkness.
Originally Posted by NeBassman
Good to know, because if comes to light that there was coordination with Nunes and the WH in writing the HIC memo, it would certainly be looked at as evidence in an obstruction of justice case.

Well, we certainly now know what obstruction looks like.
HRC and her obedient cockroaches in power at the FBI and DOJ showed us quite succinctly.

I'm convinced now that anyone that defends this garbage that has gone on is the absolute enemy of democracy.
Take your place at the head of the table NeBassman....Jag's been right about you all along.
By the way, Nunes is a hero to many of us Americans. His adversary Adam Schiff has shown himself to be an absolute POS, never saw a camera he didn't love. He's a lying sack of sh t.

We will see who is right in next few months. Trumps White House is worried that head of FBI Wray, may Quit over Memo. One
of Trumps Appointments, Shows how strange Trump and Nunes are. Who will take a job from Trump?
Originally Posted by GunTruck50

We will see who is right in next few months. Trumps White House is worried that head of FBI Wray, may Quit over Memo. One
of Trumps Appointments, Shows how strange Trump and Nunes are. Who will take a job from Trump?


HuffPo came out with a 79% positive approval rating for Trump's SOTU Address... He will have plenty of qualified people hoping to get a job.
Considering how media savvy and how strong his irritation of the kneeling NFL is...

It would be grand for Trump to #ReleaseTheMemo soon after kick-off on Sunday.


That news scroll would see half of America turning off the game to get details. grin
jorge1,

EXACTLY SO. = In my long experience, the LEFTIST MORONS cannot tell the difference in opinions, political propaganda & just plain lies.

Also, most of the "moron left" are filled up to their ears with UNREASONING PREJUDICE & HATE of anyone, who isn't of their silly opinions.

yours, tex
Originally Posted by irfubar
Originally Posted by GunTruck50

NeBassman has facts correct as we know right now. FISA Judges will no allow surveillance to continue unless more damaging information
has continued to be found on the investigation up to that point. No matter what new 90day file says. Don,t forget all FISA judges are
Republicans.


All the FISA court judges are Republican? really? do you have a source to back that up? or are you making chit up again? maybe listening to CNN?

Even if you are correct and they all are Republican , do you realize the swamp is full of Republicans also?

You libtards are a special kind of LOW LIFE COMMIE SCUMBAG POS LYING TRAITOROUS CREEPS.
FIXT. ;

Same kind of scum that cares about the folks and never said a word about Reagan tearing down the Berlin Wall and letting people see their loved ones again.
Originally Posted by GunTruck50

We will see who is right in next few months. Trumps White House is worried that head of FBI Wray, may Quit over Memo. One
of Trumps Appointments, Shows how strange Trump and Nunes are. Who will take a job from Trump?



Straight off CNN..
Actually, we will see in the next few days, or we won't see at all.
Wray may resign.. that's funny. Even funnier saying the WH is worried about it.
Originally Posted by GunTruck50

That's where you are wrong FISA court use stacks of information. It is
never based on one item. That one item would carry very little weight unless confirmed by other
sources, which FBI had on Carter Page.


Wow! You really are that gullible. Your FBI headed by Comey?
Originally Posted by larrylee
Most dems are underwhelmed.


Most dems are going insane over this. I refer you to any democrat forum such as democraticunderground. It's both h sad and comical.
Merriam Webster-
Definition of subvert
transitive verb
1 : to overturn or overthrow from the foundation : ruin
2 : to pervert or corrupt by an undermining of morals, allegiance, or faith

That defines the FBI's actions.
The FBI not only committed conspiracy to subvert an election, they attacked Trump personally with the lie of Russian collusion. I hope he returns the favor personally, drains the swamp and burns down what is left of the FBI traitors.
Originally Posted by add
Considering how media savvy and how strong his irritation of the kneeling NFL is...

It would be grand for Trump to #ReleaseTheMemo soon after kick-off on Sunday.


That news scroll would see half of America turning off the game to get details. grin



Now that would be funny as Hell!!!!
Originally Posted by RickyD
Originally Posted by larrylee
Most dems are underwhelmed.

All dems are idiots, traitors, vile sub-humans. Other than that, they might make some OK fertilizer where primarily sand is grown.

Now, they haven't always been that way, at least not to the degree of vileness they exemplify now, but since they have started this wretched campaign to turn the greatest country in the world to a total chithole of filth, I, and many others, take extreme umbrage.

So if you see, or know, of any of these foolish filthy vermin, let them know it's back off time, seek help if necessary, and deconstruct the insanity, or the pleasantries and cheerful natures may come to an end.


Encore!
I look at this fiasco as a constitutional crisis. If what we think is in the "memo" then the FBI and the
DNC are in a heap of trouble. If it shows Obama had a hand in this hang onto your hats because it's going to be a bumpy ride.
Originally Posted by add
Considering how media savvy and how strong his irritation of the kneeling NFL is...

It would be grand for Trump to #ReleaseTheMemo soon after kick-off on Sunday.


That news scroll would see half of America turning off the game to get details. grin



Pure genius.
Originally Posted by rickt300
I look at this fiasco as a constitutional crisis. If what we think is in the "memo" then the FBI and the
DNC are in a heap of trouble. If it shows Obama had a hand in this hang onto your hats because it's going to be a bumpy ride.


If this doesn't get fixed now, the "Bumpy Ride" will be a lot worse later. French Revolution style repercussions are on the horizon.
Good article on the positioning at this point.

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/456003/devin-nunes-fisa-memo-positioning-ahead-its-release
If Trump's smart, he won't release anything for a while. They're lining up to snitch now.
Just now on Martha. There are 4 major revelations in the memo that have not been leaked yet.

Looks like Comey revelations will have him having to answer some quextions. Rep Gaetz says it has jaw dropping revelations.

That is why Pelosi and crew are doing all they can do to keep this crap from seeing the light of day.
So it appears Trump was right when he said he was being wiretapped and spied on.

He was also right when he fired Comey for being a crooked, law breaking chithead.

Weezy and Obama need to be in jail over this too.
Originally Posted by rockinbbar
So it appears Trump was right when he said he was being wiretapped and spied on.

He was also right when he fired Comey for being a crooked, law breaking chithead.

Weezy and Obama need to be in jail over this too.


Turns out the man has been right quite often.
Originally Posted by GunTruck50

We will see who is right in next few months. Trumps White House is worried that head of FBI Wray, may Quit over Memo. One
of Trumps Appointments, Shows how strange Trump and Nunes are. Who will take a job from Trump?


GarbageTruck, You'll never learn.............
Is our side paying people to derail leftist forums too? Looks like Garbage truck has a nice gig here, maybe a couple of us could make some gun project money by derailing sites like Duckocratic Underbound.
Originally Posted by 86thecat
Is our side paying people to derail leftist forums too? Looks like Garbage truck has a nice gig here, maybe a couple of us could make some gun project money by derailing sites like Duckocratic Underbound.


No derailing necessary. The leftists have no problem going off the rails on their own.
If true, the rot goes WAY BEYOND just the FBI:

https://www.puppetstringnews.com/bl...d-project-fulsome-spy-ring-against-trump
Originally Posted by jmh3
Originally Posted by 86thecat
Is our side paying people to derail leftist forums too? Looks like Garbage truck has a nice gig here, maybe a couple of us could make some gun project money by derailing sites like Duckocratic Underbound.


No derailing necessary. The leftists have no problem going off the rails on their own.


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I guess I must be from Missouri, cause I say......"show me." For the last year all I've heard is how some big news is about to break, and it's going to be a death knell for Hillary and the Democrats. Well, guess what....Hillary is not in jail, Obama is not in jail, Bill is not in jail, Holder is not in jail, Trumps ties to the Russians are what's being investigated, and the FBI is declaring a constitutional crisis if the memo is released. I honestly do know who or what to believe, but I do know this.....until a genuine smoking gun is brought to light, I'm going to go on doing business as usual, and betting that a year from now, we still won't know who did what to whom.
Dems are beyond squirming, they are in a full nervous breakdown. This document may hang all of them. I think they know if the public reads this, it will knock the party back so far it will take a generation to get the power back.

It looks like many of our national "news sources" are racing to be first to announce whatever slime can be found pertaining to any member (or former member) of the Trump campaign, transition team, family, etc., etc.

The unnamed media quotes from earlier in this thread are from some very subjective sources. The opinions expressed by Politico, USnews.com, the Daily Beast, TPM (talkingpointsmedia.com), Huffington Post, and many others are simply unbelievable. They list anonymous sources "within the DOJ" or "inside the FBI" as the basis for their arguments, which are strongly opinionated and always unfavorable toward DJT and any non-Progressive who gets in their sights. They treat gossip, innuendo, leaks and speculation as if it were a legitimate starting line . . "Gentlemen, start your engines" . . and drop the very checkered flag, racing toward invalid conclusions and lots of left turns.

Independent people, such as the majority of the Campfire folks, are challenged every day to find reliable news sources. When there are clear facts, let's quote the source and we can debate the issues. When there are no facts, just quote the anonymous leaker or faux reporter and we can trade insults.

Or maybe a few of the lefties on this forum will have second thoughts about posting opinionated crap from unnamed sources.
Originally Posted by ltppowell
If Trump's smart, he won't release anything for a while. They're lining up to snitch now.


Another winner, here!
British security admits spying on Trump campaign for Obama and Deep State

"Apparently, the GCHQ head, Robert Hannigan, who signed this document, left the agency 3 days after the Trump inauguration. If proven authentic, this document reveals he collaborated with Susan Rice to illegally spy on Trump.

Mentioned below is still another lie exposed clearly demonstrating that Mr. Trump and his campaign were the focus of an intelligence operation involving our supposed strongest ally, Great Britain."

https://conservativebase.com/britis...trump-campaign-for-obama-and-deep-state/
If true, that would be a fantastic twist to this mess.
MSM is going ape schitt over this memo. CNN about to explode.
All a big hoopla about nothing. Just ask big NEBassTurd.
Originally Posted by kingfisher
Dems are beyond squirming, they are in a full nervous breakdown. This document may hang all of them. I think they know if the public reads this, it will knock the party back so far it will take a generation to get the power back.


Half the country doesn't even know what's going on..................

MM
And still, they couldn't win. Unbelievable.
I am going to make a bold prediction. Republicans will celebrate the revelation as proof positive that the FBI/DOJ went to great lengths to derail candidate and then president Trump. Democrats will try to deny and minimize the revelations as inconsequential and say that they are a Trump diversionary tactic designed to steer public attention away from the Mueller investigation as Mueller now has Trump squarely in his crosshairs.
Originally Posted by Raeford
Originally Posted by NeBassman
Originally Posted by larrylee
Jaguartx, NeBassman proves you wrong today big buddy.. LOL


Laughing, his lying ass made my ignore list long ago, I don't read his posts. A dishonest man can always be trusted to be dishonest.



So we can assume that you feel that EVERYTHING the FBI & DOJ did concerning the 2016 Presidential election from summer 2016-summer 2017 was completely above board[no laws broken] and was completely within the bounds of the law as written.


He doesnt respond to me because he is a gutless commie-dimocrat schill who lives under a rock and cant survive the light of truth being shined on him. He cant logically or truthfully defend his position or bull chitt against the logic of truth and facts.

He cant mentally flummox or beat me with his talking point lies so he lies, calls me a liar and hides like the sick pos he Is to keep from being put on the spot, preferring to run in like an ankle biter and then haul ass for the dark closet.

He throws out his talking point barb and hides, not being able to defend his position.

Come on, gutless. You say i am dishonest. Back it up with proof you can stand behind and drop the commie crap and let me have a chance to defend what i said, you know, like a man would do?

You think our servicemen died for a pos muzzy corcksucker to weaponize the doj and fbi against an American citizen? Give me some proof.
I am hoping that it reveals enough doj misdeeds to go back and look at the "chance tarmac meeting" as/is the PHX FIX I have harped about all along.

So when is anyone going to do something (not the dc "look into it BS) about those FEC laws that folks admitted they broke.
More ripe speculation:

Why was Judge recused from Mueller/Flynn case?


Quote


In early December 2017, Judge Rudolph Contreras was recused from the criminal case involving Gen. Michael Flynn who had pleaded guilty in an arrangement with Special Counsel Robert Mueller.

The statement from the US District Court was direct and did not offer any explanation:

The U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia judge presiding over the criminal case for President Donald Trump’s former National Security Adviser Michael Flynn has been recused from handling the case, a court spokeswoman said on Thursday.

According to a court filing, U.S. District Court Judge Rudolph Contreras, who presided over a Dec. 1 hearing where Flynn pleaded guilty to lying to the Federal Bureau of Investigation about his contacts with Russia, will no longer handle the case.

Court spokeswoman Lisa Klem did not say why Contreras was recused, and added that the case was randomly reassigned.


The use of the term “was recused” is noteworthy as the court spokesperson purposely did not use the terminology “recused himself” with regard to Contreras removal from the case. The terms are not necessarily interchangeable and the “was recused” phrasing suggests that Contreras was told to recuse himself rather than the judge voluntarily stepping away from the case based on his own concern for a conflict of interest.

According to Joe DiGenova, a former US Attorney for the District of Columbia, Contreras was, in fact, removed from the case. DiGenova revealed the claim during an interview earlier this month on WMAL radio in Washington DC:

“I learned over the weekend that he (Contreras) did not recuse himself. He was removed from the case. Now the question for any good reporter at the Washington Post - the alternative universe in DC - is ‘why was Judge Contreras removed from the case by either the Chief Judge or the DC Circuit?’ Have you seen a story written about that? Isn’t it interesting how people in the press are not interested why the one judge who has taken a guilty plea in this case was removed from the case?”

The timing of the recusal is curious, to say the least, especially in light of some of the tidbits that have slipped out recently over the contents of the FISA memo compiled by Republicans on the House Intelligence Committee.

Contreras sits on the FISA court. He was assigned to that court in May 2016, months before the FISA warrant was granted to the FBI to spy on members of the Trump campaign and the Trump transition.

It is believed that this surveillance contributed to the evidence that compelled Flynn to enter a plea for making misleading statements to federal investigators. Contreras accepted that plea as the presiding judge of the Mueller/Flynn case on December 2nd. Five days later, Contreras was recused from the case in which he had just accepted a plea.

What changed between December 2nd and December 7th? How could a conflict arise in those five days that had not existed prior to the plea deal?

Was Contreras the presiding judge who granted the FISA warrant that led to the Flynn plea? Was he the judge who accepted the Russian dossier (created by Christopher Steele while in the employ of the Clinton campaign) as objective and credible evidence justifying a FISA surveillance against Flynn and others in Trumpland during a hotly contested presidential campaign?

If so, does this taint the evidence and the circumstances that led Flynn to accept a guilty plea while being squeezed by Special Counsel Mueller’s team?

The court isn’t saying. They announced the recusal with no further statement or explanation. But now that we know what we know regarding the dossier and the FISA warrant, these questions deserve an answer.

You’d think some journalists in this town might want the answer too.


rockinbbar,

EXACTLY SO.

yours, tex

Rick Gates has fired his last attorney and hired Thomas Green. Thomas Green is noted for
negotiating plea deals. He has been seen several times at Muellers office the last few days.
Like I said before Carter Page has been under FBI observation since at least 2014. Harry Reid warned
all congressman not to get involved with Carter Page. Trump made him Senior Foreign Advisor during
campaign. That's why the FBI was doing its job intercepting his Russian contacts. This FISA thing is exactly what the FISA board was
supposed to do. Protect us from foreign spies and US citizens who are aiding them, like Carter Page. All this
other stuff is a smoke screen from Trump.
Originally Posted by GunTruck50

Rick Gates has fired his last attorney and hired Thomas Green. Thomas Green is noted for
negotiating plea deals. He has been seen several times at Muellers office the last few days.
Like I said before Carter Page has been under FBI observation since at least 2014. Harry Reid warned
all congressman not to get involved with Carter Page. Trump made him Senior Foreign Advisor during
campaign. That's why the FBI was doing its job intercepting his Russian contacts. This FISA thing is exactly what the FISA board was
supposed to do. Protect us from foreign spies and US citizens who are aiding them, like Carter Page. All this
other stuff is a smoke screen from Trump.

So McCabe and Comey want to make a plea deal?Is that what you are saying?That is where this is going.
Originally Posted by GunTruck50

Rick Gates has fired his last attorney and hired Thomas Green. Thomas Green is noted for
negotiating plea deals. He has been seen several times at Muellers office the last few days.
Like I said before Carter Page has been under FBI observation since at least 2014. Harry Reid warned
all congressman not to get involved with Carter Page. Trump made him Senior Foreign Advisor during
campaign. That's why the FBI was doing its job intercepting his Russian contacts. This FISA thing is exactly what the FISA board was
supposed to do. Protect us from foreign spies and US citizens who are aiding them, like Carter Page. All this
other stuff is a smoke screen from Trump.


You fuggers dont need a smoke screen to lose your way. A muzzie corksucking community organizing pot smoker produces enough smoke to sucker you folks in.
Originally Posted by DumPhuck50
Don,t forget all FISA judges are Republicans.


"Rudolph Contreras (born December 6, 1962[1]) is a United States District Judge of the United States District Court for the District of Columbia. He is also serving as a Judge on the United States Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court."

"On July 28, 2011, President Barack Obama nominated Contreras to fill a vacancy on the United States District Court for the District of Columbia."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rudolph_Contreras
Originally Posted by MissouriEd
MSM is going ape schitt over this memo. CNN about to explode.


Just went to CNN's website and don't see them about to explode. All I see if them saying how it is a diversionary tactic and there's nothing to see. "Confuse and distract... second rate hit job... undermine Russia probe... forget what they're saying in Washington..." and so on. It is amazing how anti Trump they are, it's actually incredible. Won't report the news, will simply be an enemy of Trump.
Originally Posted by Triggernosis
It doesn't really matter what the memo says - the Dimmocrats are already saying that it has so many redactions that the "real" story isn't being told and, therefore, the memo shouldn't mean anything. Continuing to deny, deny, deny.....

I'm just waiting (well, hoping) for the day they find Hillary on a walking trail somewhere with her brains blown out by her own doing.


...by two shots in the back of her head? We can only hope she goes the way of those Podesta had snuffed along the way...suicides and robbery...
Originally Posted by GunTruck50

Rick Gates has fired his last attorney and hired Thomas Green. Thomas Green is noted for
negotiating plea deals. He has been seen several times at Muellers office the last few days.
Like I said before Carter Page has been under FBI observation since at least 2014. Harry Reid warned
all congressman not to get involved with Carter Page. Trump made him Senior Foreign Advisor during
campaign. That's why the FBI was doing its job intercepting his Russian contacts. This FISA thing is exactly what the FISA board was
supposed to do. Protect us from foreign spies and US citizens who are aiding them, like Carter Page. All this
other stuff is a smoke screen from Trump.


The DNC and Hill's private server were all open to Russian observation(and everyone else), but closed to the FBI. Those are facts, not even a smokescreen. For a longer period of time, no less. "Accidently" and "classified" arent mutual.

Its pretty ironic people around DC for 20-40 years patting each other on the back get hacked on unsecured servers.

Whats this talk about citizens aiding the Russians again? What brilliant "patriot" made his password "password"? The only Russian influence brought into the last election was introduced by the DNC and the Hillary State Department.
Anything else was just an "accident"....

Mark Corallo to meet with Mueller to Discuss his version of conversation he overheard between Trump and Hope Hicks.
He says, she stated to Trump that E-mails about Trump Tower/ Russian meeting would never see light of day. Could be
obstruction of Justice. Corallo made notes of conversation and told Bannon and others about it, then quit working for Trumps Whitehouse.
Did not want to be involved in obstruction of Justice.
Originally Posted by GunTruck50

Rick Gates has fired his last attorney and hired Thomas Green. Thomas Green is noted for
negotiating plea deals. He has been seen several times at Muellers office the last few days.
Like I said before Carter Page has been under FBI observation since at least 2014. Harry Reid warned
all congressman not to get involved with Carter Page. Trump made him Senior Foreign Advisor during
campaign. That's why the FBI was doing its job intercepting his Russian contacts. This FISA thing is exactly what the FISA board was
supposed to do. Protect us from foreign spies and US citizens who are aiding them, like Carter Page. All this
other stuff is a smoke screen from Trump.

"Protect us from foreign spys and US citizens who are aiding them."Seems they should have tapped Clinton instead of Trump.Now about "opposition research".Remember when we just called it mud slinging.That was before it became big business for big money.Why in the hell would the FBI take Hillary Clinton mud slinging campaign BS and pretend it was an intel document to tap anyone much less the opposition in a presidential election.This is what you are defending.
FISA warrant=collusion/obstruction

Unless of course Heinrich Himler is your hero....
Originally Posted by GunTruck50

Mark Corallo to meet with Mueller to Discuss his version of conversation he overheard between Trump and Hope Hicks.
He says, she stated to Trump that E-mails about Trump Tower/ Russian meeting would never see light of day. Could be
obstruction of Justice. Corallo made notes of conversation and told Bannon and others about it, then quit working for Trumps Whitehouse.
Did not want to be involved in obstruction of Justice.

This is from that Fire and Fury book isn't it?Do you believe anything that idiot wrote?
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
I am going to make a bold prediction. Republicans will celebrate the revelation as proof positive that the FBI/DOJ went to great lengths to derail candidate and then president Trump. Democrats will try to deny and minimize the revelations as inconsequential and say that they are a Trump diversionary tactic designed to steer public attention away from the Mueller investigation as Mueller now has Trump squarely in his crosshairs.

Umm...bold or sarcastic? Sounds like the obvious actually...
Originally Posted by Taco280AI
Originally Posted by MissouriEd
MSM is going ape schitt over this memo. CNN about to explode.


Just went to CNN's website and don't see them about to explode. All I see if them saying how it is a diversionary tactic and there's nothing to see. "Confuse and distract... second rate hit job... undermine Russia probe... forget what they're saying in Washington..." and so on. It is amazing how anti Trump they are, it's actually incredible. Won't report the news, will simply be an enemy of Trump.

It is amazing. Journalism by the bigger outlets other than Fox is absolutely dead.
I predict that after the Leftnik temper tantrums and maybe a couple of low-level plea deals, the Democrats strategy once caught with hand-in-the-cookie-jar will be this:

"Sure we did it. You gotta know that everyone does it, Right? But we still lost, Trump won, and therefore none of it matters now."

The lost election will be their only savior.
Ignore the spin. When the document goes public, here’s what to look for.

Originally Posted by Kimberley A. Strassel WSJ


The White House looks set to release the House Intelligence Committee memo on 2016 government surveillance abuses, which means the attacks on the document by Democrats, the Federal Bureau of Investigation and the media are going to get wilder. To help navigate through the spin, here’s a handy guide for what to look for, and what to ignore:

• Rationale. Did the FBI have cause to open a full-blown counterintelligence probe into an active presidential campaign? That’s a breathtakingly consequential and unprecedented action and surely could not be justified without much more than an overheard drunken conversation or an unsourced dossier. What hard evidence did the FBI have?

• Tools and evidence. Government possesses few counterintelligence tools more powerful or frightening than the ability to spy on American citizens. If the FBI obtained permission from the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court to monitor Trump aide Carter Page based on information from the Christopher Steele dossier, that in itself is a monumental scandal. It means the FBI used a document commissioned by one presidential campaign as a justification to spy on another. Ignore any arguments that the dossier was not a “basis” for the warrant or only used “in part.” If the FBI had to use it in its application, it means it didn’t have enough other evidence to justify surveillance.

Look to see what else the FBI presented to the court as a justification for monitoring, and whether it was manufactured. Mr. Steele and his client, Fusion GPS, ginned up breathless news stories about the dossier’s unverified accusations in September 2016 in order to influence the election. The FBI sometimes presents news articles to the court, but primarily for corroboration of other facts. If the FBI used the conspiracy stories Mr. Steele was spinning as actual justification—evidence—to the court, that’s out of bounds.

• Omissions and misdirection. What else did the FBI tell the court? One would presume the bureau did its due diligence and knew Mr. Steele ultimately worked for the Hillary Clinton campaign and the Democratic National Committee. The FISA court puts considerable emphasis on the credibility of sources. Did the FBI inform the court of the Clinton connection? Or did it lean on the claim that the Fusion project was originally funded by Republicans? Such a claim might diminish the partisan stench. But it would also be a falsehood, since the dossier portion of the project was purely funded by Clinton allies. And if the FBI didn’t bother to ask who hired Mr. Steele or Fusion, that’s a scandal all its own.

Also, look to see whether the FBI informed the court that Mr. Steele was blabbing to the press. When he first approached the bureau in July, he hadn’t yet briefed the media. But by September he and Fusion were publicly spinning the dossier for their Democratic client, and the FBI would have known who was generating the stories. Did the FBI continue to attest something that clearly was no longer true?

• Duration of surveillance. The FBI may argue it had good cause to look into Mr. Page. But if months of wiretaps didn’t turn up anything (and surely we’d have heard if they did), the FBI also had a duty to cease such a liberty-busting intrusion. Ask how long this probe went on and whether it was justified, or if the FBI was simply giving itself an open-ended license to spy on a campaign.

Expect Trump critics to renew their effort to turn Mr. Page into a Manchurian aide, seizing on his every action or word while ignoring the small role he played in the campaign, not to mention his obvious oddness. This will be designed to make people forget that for all the focus on Mr. Page, he was and remains a private citizen, who apparently was subject to months of government monitoring based on what may prove nothing more than the gossip of a rival campaign.

• Team Obama. Somewhat lost in this narrative is what role if any the broader Obama administration might have played with regard to the dossier. What actions were taken by former CIA Director John Brennan, or former Director of National Intelligence James Clapper ? Also don’t forget Bruce Ohr, the Justice Department official whose wife worked for Fusion GPS, and who himself met with Fusion cofounder Glenn Simpson. Or the Justice Department officials who approved court filings. If there was surveillance abuse, accountability shouldn’t stop with the FBI.

Mostly, ignore what is certain to be a nonstop shriek that this memo is out of context, that it omits facts or cherry-picks data or makes unfair allegations. You know, sort of like what Democrats and the media did this past year in their “Russia investigation.” The difference here is that the memo only needs to provide a few facts for the country to understand if there was FISA abuse.

The rest is noise.

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And .... hopefully once the memo is finally released .... the filling of the Swamp can begin:

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Love the pussy hat down there! laugh
Originally Posted by 12344mag
Originally Posted by jmh3
Originally Posted by 86thecat
Is our side paying people to derail leftist forums too? Looks like Garbage truck has a nice gig here, maybe a couple of us could make some gun project money by derailing sites like Duckocratic Underbound.


No derailing necessary. The leftists have no problem going off the rails on their own.



They also immediately ban anyone who appears the least bit conservative. Lieberals melt like the wicked witch when the truth counters their lies.
The FBI sabotaged the Clinton email investigation because they wanted her to be the next president.
Originally Posted by RickyD

They also immediately ban anyone who appears the least bit conservative. Lieberals melt like the wicked witch when the truth counters their lies.


I wish we extended them the same courtesy here.

The liberals are really stinking up the place.
Originally Posted by rockinbbar
Originally Posted by RickyD

They also immediately ban anyone who appears the least bit conservative. Lieberals melt like the wicked witch when the truth counters their lies.


I wish we extended them the same courtesy here.

The liberals are really stinking up the place.


Now, why would we want to go and do that? I think we do a good job of showing them for what they are - and it's amusing to watch.
A GOP congressman who has seen both memos of the Committee says that there are four additional subjects covered by the 4-pager that has not been leaked nor discussed. Meaning in addition to the Carter Page FISA. I'm thinking FBI pedophiles, aliens, Clinton / Mueller / Comey / Russian hooker orgies, and Uranium One....
Bump.
To All,

Anyone who believes anything out of the BIG, hate-FILLED mouths of any of the DIMocRATS congress-critters is in just one word: STUPID.

yours, tex
Originally Posted by rockinbbar
Originally Posted by RickyD

They also immediately ban anyone who appears the least bit conservative. Lieberals melt like the wicked witch when the truth counters their lies.


I wish we extended them the same courtesy here.

The liberals are really stinking up the place.


And the GOP sits letting it happen...
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