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Pencilneck Schiff will be exposed as the lyin' weasel he is.

That somebody misrepresented the Steele memo to the FISA court for one. Probably the significance of other "evidence" as well.

Good to know, because if comes to light that there was coordination with Nunes and the WH in writing the HIC memo, it would certainly be looked at as evidence in an obstruction of justice case.

We’ll never hear the entire message. I’d bet it’s been changed and edited to make the FBI not look as bad as the first version.

Good to know, because if comes to light that there was coordination with Nunes and the WH in writing the HIC memo, it would certainly be looked at as evidence in an obstruction of justice case.

Good to know, because if comes to light that there was coordination with Nunes and the WH in writing the HIC memo, it would certainly be looked at as evidence in an obstruction of justice case.

IF it says anything like I expect it to say (that the FBI's senior staff "was up to their ears in" a conspiracy to injure DT), some people are likely to see the inside of federal prison bars.

We've heard from one of the all knowing leftists here, suppose I'll withhold my thoughts until a couple more of them show up and enlighten us all.
JeffO, Starman......where you at?

Most likely, Trump will slow roll this one.

If he has the memo himself sitting on his desk, think of the power it gives him for as long as he keeps it in secret. He holds all the cards and "leaks" them as he sees fit.

I think the American citizens deserve to see the memo. But a power-hungry POTUS probably has different motivations.

There are many reasons FISA experts don’t expect the allegations to stand up to the hype, which has involved a Twitter campaign to #ReleaseTheMemo and included GOP claims that what it shows is worse than Watergate.

For Republicans claims of an abuse to be true, one would have to assume that the dossier was the sole basis of the warrant application, that it was a “fabrication” and that the DOJ knew that it was a fabrication when it applied for the FISA warrant, Vladeck said.

“All three things would have to be true for this to actually be an abuse of FISA,” Vladeck said, adding that he wouldn’t take the claims seriously unless the White House declassifies the underlying warrant.

“The major problem here is that this is only arguably scandalous in any way if [the DOJ] just essentially repacked the dossier as a warrant package without any work of their own,” Sanchez said, adding that it would be “inconceivable to me that would be the only source.”

“I doubt they based it on a single source of information,” said a former Republican chair of the House Intel Committee, Mike Rogers, on CNN.

“I can’t imagine that the dossier was the centerpiece of a FISA application,” said Robert Litt, a former general counsel for the Office of the Director of National Intelligence who also worked for the Justice Department.

“Number one, I don’t think the Department of Justice would have allowed that to go forward as the sole basis. Number two, I don’t think a judge would have approved probable cause on that basis alone,” Litt said. “And number three, everything I read has suggested that there was considerable other information about Page before this dossier came in.”

The FISA warrant applications presented to the judge end up being dozens of pages long, according to former officials. A four-page memo that sought to summarize it would be a “carefully picked bowl of cherries,” John McLaughlin, who served as acting CIA director under George W. Bush, said on Twitter.

“Given a lot of stuff that’s already public about Page and about past known attempts to recruit him, it certainly seems like they could well have plenty to go on without the dossier,” Sanchez said.

Court documents filed in 2015 show that the government had intercepted two Russian figures discussing the prospect of recruiting Page, and the FBI interviewed Page in 2013 about his Russian contacts. The Washington Post reported the FISA application cited those communications and others not publicly disclosed. In the spring of 2017, Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein reportedly approved an application to extend the FISA surveillance on Page.

“There would have been probably months, if not years of investigative activity on Carter Page prior to going to the court to begin with,” Rangappa said.

Before a FISA application makes it to the judge, it travels through many layers of review at the FBI that also includes career DOJ lawyers, who verify the source of every fact laid out in the application’s affidavit, according to Rangappa. A warrant for Page would have been treated with extra scrutiny, given the political sensitivities of him having been affiliated with Trump’s campaign, Rangappa said, adding that former FBI Director James Comey would have also likely signed off on it.

“I think a judge would have gone through that with a fine tooth comb and asked many questions,” she said.

So there are two more aspects to the Nunes memo and the #ReleasetheMemo movement.

First, it is now clear beyond dispute that the #ReleasetheMemo activity has been taken over by Russian bots. That fact needs to be in every discussion of this issue.

Second, though, while the article quotes several intelligence experts about the kind of information needed for the original FISA warrant, the warrant that is the subject of the Nunes memo is the renewal application signed off on by Rod Rosenstein. According to Ron Klain on MSNBC, in order to renew a FISA warrant, the supporting affidavit needs to document that material information has been obtained from the original warrant. If the original warrant came up empty, the warrant will not be renewed. Accordingly, whatever Rosenstein signed had to include an itemization of the conversations between Page and the Russians that had already yielded usable intelligence.

This is a fact worth keeping mind.

Jeffo, NeBassman, and Rollin Turd are one and the same.

That's a nice "balanced" source.........

Makes me think there is something irrefutable coming.

Of course there is. If the inside scoop was that no crime has been committed, republicans would be building up Mueller to be the consummate impartial pro so that when he announced he found nothing it wouldn't be questioned.

What we're seeing is the opposite, and that tells us all we need to know.

I'm glad to see you stating that so bluntly. I've been thinking the same thing.

Republicans are the real way we take the temperature on this crisis. Mueller ain't leaking [bleep], Dems don't know what's happening, so we have to watch what Republicans do.

What they're doing looks exactly like a panic to deflect blame. Blame for what? That suggests they know the hammer's coming down.

This... AND that senior members of the DOJ and FBI were actively trying to thwart Trump's campaign. AND that senior members of the FBI and DOJ were basically covering for Hillary's crimes. Note: It would have been all mute if Hillary would have just won. Everyone in government thought she was going to win.

I firmly believe that many Americans are never going to think of their government the same way again.