This story talks about a Trump supporter impacted by the tariffs. I wonder if he's feeling the MAGA:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/mar...rs-in-pennsylvania/ar-AAAfODB?li=BBnbfcN

My hope is that all the damage caused by Trump affects only his supporters. Unfortunately that's not the case. But this guy is down $150000, maybe he'll rethink his vote.

yoy're a dumb chit

Commodities have always been a risky business. Politics, weather, bad seed, and now beans are suffering a worm infestation, same for sweet corn and grain corn.

You need to stick to medicine, Doc.

This is self inflicted and completely unnecessary damage. Life is hard, Toot. It's harder when you're stupid.

It sure does appear to be.

Seems you prove this theory regularly.

you're an expert in that regard.....

You poor old fool. There's still time for you to board the Trump Express. 6 1/2 more years to be exact.........

Where did you get that? I want one. Thanks

2020- Trump Hat


MAGA - MAGA Hat

Yeah, that's the guy. He has several different ones.

I wonder if for years, that particular farmer voted for candidates that made poor trade deals with China and other nations and now that the correction is happening he's feeling the pain that his neighbors in the manufacturing industry have been feeling for years. What do you think Paddler, could that be the case.

The fact of the matter is Paddler, correcting the course of this country is going to hurt and all of us are going to feel it to one degree or another. Why do you think NO ONE is trying to reduce the debt?

Where did you get that? I want one. Thanks

Same here!

Sure there will be some dislocation but beans are fungible. So many beans will be needed no matter how they get to the consumer. So long as there is no surplus they'll all get used.

You wouldn't know it here. There was a time when I couldn't swing a cat and not hit a corn field, now everything is soybeans.

Thank you

A good percentage of beans here too. Interesting, when I was a kid beans were considered a risk as a late crop, you hoped they would mature before frost. And there were weed issues. Isn't science wonderful.

Looks like its going to cost more for the Chinese people to eat. Better start growing soybean.

Tariffs are like a nuclear war - there are only losers. We've never won a trade war and we never will. Yes, we do need trade on an equitable footing and I do support Trump on this issue, but his methods are injurious to US manufacturers, exporters and workers.

Consider Walmart as an importer and the effect of 25% tariffs on the goods they sell.

Consider BMW (Spartanburg, SC) and the 86% of production that they export through Charleston (see: https://www.bmwusfactory.com/bmw_articles/bmw-manufacturing-remains-largest-u-s-automotive-exporter/ ). BTW, BMW is the largest US automotive exorter.

Consider Boeing and its international sales.

In each of these cases, either US imports or US exports will be subject to higher tariffs (either by the US or by foreign nations in retaliation. Lower sales will result in plant and port layoffs.

China is already switching grain suppliers; US farmers will be the losers. And, these are long-term agreements, so it will be difficult for US farmers to recover these lost sales for many years.

Eat more slug burgers.

Works in both directions as you point out.
Seems like Kenny Rogers had a hit song something along these lines, our trading countries/partners need our markets as much if not more than we theirs currently.
As pointed out previously, there will be pain to right this ship.

China is starting to actually enforce it's own rules/regulations RE imports, these have been in place for many years but weren't enforced which has many U.S. product laden cargo ships holding offshore currently.
Will they do the same for other countries products?

So these other grain suppliers can pick up China and still full fill current obligations?

my understanding in re. spybeans is the US already sitti g on a schidt ton of soybean reserves. and we are still producing more we are ent selling

Soylent Green is soybeans and people. Viva la soybean

All I know is I have a 1000's of acres of it around me and it will not be harvested until at least 3 weeks into the deer season. All is good. Plus I will eat more slug burgers to help.

who the hell eats soybeans, besides f-ags like paddler.

Slug burgers rock. A little pork or beef and soy as an extender. Fried and placed on a bun, dressed out.

never tried it.

Even have festivals for the slug burger.

99 cents of joy they are.

Big Daddy Trump will make it work out, we have been giving our work away for years. He’s try to get it back. We have saved lots of jobs since he took office.

Hey Paddler. Is 801-277-7176 your correct phone number?

Lotsa farmers vote democrat.

The Montana Farmers Union is a STRONG democrat outfit.

The politics of food is mind boggling.



I would not worry too much about South America.

Grain markets this time of year can go into the pits. hanging on like I do is roiling the dice. Crop reports come out calling for a big crop, and Cady bar the door.

Used to be a crop report comes out calling for a short crop and the price would go up.

Not anymore.


Crop report comes out, positive or negative and the market is the limit down.


If someone does screw up a gets caught short the elevator takes it twice in the basis.


Then there is giving your whole crop to the BNSF every four years........


Try farming they said....it'l be fun they said.....

'Live poor, die rich".

https://farm.ewg.org/search.php

https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/05/farm-bill-2018-subsidies-need-reform-taxpayers/

https://www.ewg.org/agmag/2018/04/top-8-farm-subsidy-loopholes#.W0-43bgnYdU

Yes. The US is the 4th largest grain producing nation and those hat produce more are stepping up production. US production will be missed, but others are stepping up and increasing production.
see: https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/top-wheat-producing-countries.html

Additionally, Wisconsin dairy farmers and cheese makers will be hurt as they export cheese.
see: http://www.wbay.com/content/news/Wi...-of-Trade-War-and-tariffs-488342881.html
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/china-us-tariff-impact-on-wisconsin-cheese-industry/

Ermegerreed!

Trade deals are not static. Sheesh.

When it comes to harder and stupid, I’ll leave that you, Doc. BTW, you need to run now as I hear one of your patients screaming.

Wrong. These are not long term agreements. You may recall a few yrs back when China gave a good head fake saying we are cutting our corn purchases by 60%, corn dropped, China then bought all they needed at the lower price and then made money through a shell organization that went short on corn futures prior to the announcement of buying less.

They ain’t dumb. They believe in “China First”. Ring a bell for ya, just maybe?

Is the hat made in the USA?

Hahaha!

Bangladesh, so at least it's not Chinese...........

You gotta feel a bit sorry for the Bangladesh people......

Commies don't deserve to own enough land to lose $150K on any damn crop.

"Property is theft!"

Let that fugger take a job patchin' the roads.

Sounds like time to buy American ....

Atv, my 2cousins and I have some soybeans we can sell you. Didn’t fool with corn this year and will double crop with wheat if the weather holds. All of it American quality.

I don't like tariffs of any kind. They are too discriminate, helping one person, while they hurt another. I own a farm, and a lot of my income comes from that farm. The neighbor who rents the cropland has about 100 acres in soybeans here, and I want him to make money, because if he does, then he can keep leasing my land at the current rate. If crop prices go down, then he won't be able to keep paying me at that rate.

What helps some person in the steel industry, is of little concern to me, and I'm sure he has little compassion for the farmers. China will benefit, America will pay the price.

James just the boys talking here but you might consider partnering with that guy. We started in 1971 with a leased 440 acres, hit it big at 13$/bushel and 38 bushels/acre. Big for us just starting out. Now up to 2200 acres and got part of that by partnering with the landowner giving him the 1st 10 bushels off every acre saving us the initial rental fee upfront. A big risk but Mother Nature blessed us. Some years we were able to beat the clock and doubled down with winter wheat.
There are other ways, too. I’m now pretty much out of the active part of it, gradually fading to the background. Can’t say I miss it.

I don't like tariffs either. If America can get every country it trades with to stop sticking America in the ass with them it would be a better world.

Until then,..what's good for the goose has to be good for the gander.

dairy fsrmers are going out of bsuiness daily thanks to NAFTA and the parts of it that require us to buy so many hundreds of thousands of gallons of raw milk from canada every year, all while they have been imposing a tarrif on US dairy goods of 237%

let alone the red tape and horseshidt creameries here have to go theough to ship over seas

If he is actually a doc, there ain't no way I'd let the dumb SOB around me.

Well ain't that sweet, worried about your own self, while not worried at all about folks in the steel industry. No wonder we are in the shape we are in. Way to many NIMBYs'

Whoops...typo. should have been 801-277-7176

I don't figure too many of them are worried about the farmers, so there ya go. By the way, you can't eat steel.

Toot, I farmed for a long time, grew soybeans, corn, wheat, and tobacco. I'm content to raise cattle on part of the farm, and to let someone else worry about the row crops. My son wants us to go back to cropping it ourselves, but I don't want to invest in the necessary equipment, nor take the risks involved. I'll just let someone else worry about the weather and low prices, and let him cash rent it.

I don't know enough about the tariff details to argue one way or the other..... Regarding this post though, I'm surrounded by farmers and have known most of them and their kids since I was a kid. One of them rents some land from me that he planted in beans this year. Another rents land from my father. My 14 year old kid is doing summer work for local farmers just like I did growing up. We see these people all the time. I don't know a single person in the steel industry...but you say everyone involved with production of this or that is in the steel industry. That may be true, but none of those people are going to carry the cost of higher steel. It will be passed on to the end buyer. It won't work that way for the farmer.

Again, I don't know enough about the tariffs to argue one way or the other for it but I can see it effecting people I know.

thats exactly how we got to were we are. Its not right for them to not care, it doesn't "give" you the right to ignore them. Works in gun control too. See Neimoeller....

But then again I don't hold out much hope for the country for that much longer anyway due to the self centered nature of most folks

Many people can't see past tomorrow.

Its all about them.

China has been benefiting and America has been paying the price, it just didn't hit you yet. And your justifacation as to why you don't give a [bleep] about the health of this country is typical.

"Crop Subsidies In Foreign Countries"
https://www.depts.ttu.edu/ceri/Default.aspx

"Foreign Subsidies Hurt American Farmers"
https://www.realclearpolicy.com/art...sidies_hurt_american_farmers_110525.html

"Report finds Chinese steel heavily subsidized "
https://www.nwitimes.com/business/s...0f3f325-f230-5ff5-a57b-675200e5d0de.html

"The Case for Canada’s Steel Industry"
https://www.usw.ca/news/publication...ions/the-case-for-canadas-steel-industry

"Getting Trade Right
Addressing Chinese Overcapacity"
http://www.aluminum.org/getting-trade-right

Not soybeans, but other industries are affected also, as described in this Washington Post Business article: "How Trump’s Tariffs on Mexico are Taking Jobs from U.S. Workers".

see: https://www.washingtonpost.com/busi...a488d29&wpisrc=nl_az_most&wpmk=1

Here's the way I see it.......Trump puts tariffs on steel and aluminum rom China AND from some of our other trading partners as well, and people like you go all crazy, posting MAGA and kissing Trumps azz at every turn......when all it accomplished was helping one segment of the population, while another segment got hurt when China retaliated.......as everyone knew it would. In the end, what did it really accomplish?

I derive a good portion of my income from farming, and a drop in the price of grain is ultimately going to hurt me. So, why wouldn't I be concerned? But, someone like you has NO idea. You eat 3 times a day, probably too much, and you don't think for one second where that food comes from, or who produced it. Just as long as you can stuff your gut, that's all that matters to you. Yet, you think it's just great that Trump's "hurting" China, never thinking that maybe the person who produced that food for you, got hurt in the deal.

I will repeat what I said in my first post........for every person or industry that a tariff helps, there will be another one that it hurts. There never has been such a thing as "fair" trade, and probably never will be. Someone always ends up getting screwed, and although China may screw us on some things, I'm sure that we're screwing someone else in return.

Ordered on the 18th and it arrived today.

Same here. Ordered one for the old man too.

Came with a Promo Hog coozie..

I would love to order one for that old fool Paddler, just to watch him stroke out when he opened it............

He is all about gettin’ free chit!