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.....Waylon and Willie and the Boys."?

Everyone under 30 apparently, or maybe 40 I dunno.

Raced daylight to get up there after the Alamo yesterday. There I was with one of my very favorite Millenials.....

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All the Military and former Military guys at the Alamo and at Luckenbach were sharing the secret Military handshake with him.

One of them says to me, "You must be proud of your son." I said he might be my brother's kid we're not sure.

I used to hang out there back when it really was a special place. Some really great pickers showed up there on weekends.
Nice, BW! smile

I know Becky Patterson that owned Luckenbach with her mother Shatzie, after Hondo Crouch passed away.

I believe Becky's son and his family owns it now. Or did the last I heard.

Becky still lives on Stieler ranch in Comfort that was given to them by Charles Schreiner Sr.
Back in the '80's we used to leave the bar at College Station late and ride to Enchanted Rock to watch the sunrise, was like negotiating a minefield all them Hill Country whitetails. Getting up E. Rock in the pitch dark weren't hard, all you had to do was walk uphill, can't miss the top.

After that we would ride into F. Burg for breakfast, and then go park our bikes amid the crowd of parked motorcycles at Luckenbach, admire them for awhile and then fall asleep in the shade. Luckenbach back then was about the best place on the planet to drink a beer on a Sunday afternoon. Agree 100% back then about the musical talent sitting out back.

One time I brung along pretty young coed from A&M and she just couldn't get over how NICE all them crusty ol' bikers treated her at Luckenbach, buying her drinks at the bar and everything. On the way back she threw up inside my borrowed helmet and passed out on a twisty backroad when we were doing about 80 grin She had her arms wrapped tight around my waist at the time and I pinned 'em against my body with the arm that weren't working the throttle. Musta been my guardian angel tho that kept her feet on the pegs until I got us off the road and stopped.

Oh Lord those were the days grin My own Luckenbach period was about '87-'92, got so I could ride there blindfolded, perhaps we might have crossed paths.

Nowadays Luckenbach is mostly buried in upscale SUV's and lesbian weddings. I will say Saturday night last night was a pleasant surprise. Only about fifty or sixty people and a good country band playing in the dance hall, shutters open so you could hear 'em outside. The food kiosk/hut whatever STILL doesn't gouge on prices, a pretty good pulled pork or barbeque sandwich for only $6.95.

Quite a few non-Lesbian looking women showing up too. We rolled out early, something about him having to be back on base, but when I get back on two wheels again, Luckenbach might just become a reg'lar stop.

The Austin crowd has messed up a buncha stuff!

Gruene Hall, the Broken Spoke...

Damn them anyway.
A couple years both sides of 1980 captures the period when I was likely to be there. It’s a four hour drive from here but was worth it back then. Kimbo was a hell of a young musician that excelled on anything with strings. He occasionally got session work in Austin but was not dependable enough to hold down a job in a band. I expect the dope got him just as it did so many of that crowd.

A pretty good picker that I knew better than I knew the others was named David...? He hung homself in the Kerrville Jail the night before he was supposed to testify against some of the others in the crowd for dope dealing.

The Dance Hall was only opened on special occasions back then. No electrified,amplified instruments allowed.....only acoustic and only out under the trees. One really long jam session.
Indeed they have.

Anyhoo.... for those that was wondering here recently how tall I am, that particular nephew’s claim to fame back in New York was being the only White kid on the Varsity basketball team, he can throw elbows with the best of ‘em cool

I’m his favorite uncle, kinda nice to have that kind of muscle backing me up grin
Hated that frigging song. You know the one. Apparently Waylon did as well.
A while back we went on an axis deer hunt on a ranch in the area with a little bit of history.
Is was off of Luckenbach road. Come to find out the ranch's one time owner was one of the founders of Luckenbach.
Our guide was his grandson, Luke Luckenbach.
Was there in ‘73 for the first Luckenbach worlds fair. Had a cannon shoot! Amazingly no one was killed!!! Considering the amount of booze and drugs floating around! I was on crew of 3" Ordinance rifle.
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Was there in ‘73 for the first Luckenbach worlds fair. Had a cannon shoot! Amazingly no one was killed!!! Considering the amount of booze and drugs floating around! I was on crew of 3" Ordinance rifle.


So, Bob, you must have met Hondo Crouch. He had just died when I started going down there after being tipped off about the place by a sweet young thing I met in Kerrville.His poem, “Luekenbach Moon “ ...with him reciting it, was on a cassette or eight track I had at one time. Might have been a JJW album. I read some of the columns he wrote as .......cedarhacker.
Everyone knows Luckenbach
I was there in 81 for the "fourth sometimes annual worlds fair" had a great time and woke up with a scorpion in my boot !
Originally Posted by curdog4570
Originally Posted by kaywoodie
Was there in ‘73 for the first Luckenbach worlds fair. Had a cannon shoot! Amazingly no one was killed!!! Considering the amount of booze and drugs floating around! I was on crew of 3" Ordinance rifle.


So, Bob, you must have met Hondo Crouch. He had just died when I started going down there after being tipped off about the place by a sweet young thing I met in Kerrville.His poem, “Luekenbach Moon “ ...with him reciting it, was on a cassette or eight track I had at one time. Might have been a JJW album. I read some of the columns he wrote as .......cedarhacker.


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THE LUCKENBACH MOON
Hondo Crouch

Nuthin' much happened in Luckenbach this month,

'Cept the potato chip man came by.

Then there was the moon.

We try to tell folks who come by here to look at our town

What a big, mean moon we have

But nobody'll believe it.

And last night it showed off.

The greatest ever.

It just hung there, darin' you to look at it,

Makin' silhouettes into things and things came alive.

It even shined plumb to the bottom of the canyon,

Under bluffs and plopped dark doughnuts 'round the bottom of
trees on top of the mountain.

A kind of moon that makes haunted houses uglier

And ugly girls prettier.

And little animals see farther and feel closer together.

Brave weeds even rose up to look 'round for lawn mowers.

Grandpa sat up in bed and said, "What's that?"

And the hair on Grandma's legs stood on end, he said.

On moonbrite nites like this, big eyed deer

Tiptoe into larger openings and they can dance better 'cause they can see where the rocks are at.

Their prancin' gets fancier and freer because they know mans
not there to darnpen the dance.

This kind of moonshine makes you crazy if you sleep in it,

they say

But I think you're crazy not to try it.

Momma even slept with the baby to protect it and I

Flounced in bed even in a thick rock house.

And when I went outside to see what was the matter

Somethin' scared cold chills up my back.

Everything was standin' at attention over new shadows.

Then what was that that moved?

Probably just a Nuthin'.

You know, a big full moon like ours is kinda like a person:

It needs help to show off, and last nite

All the clouds stayed home on purpose

to create a great solo.

We can't stand an encore!

It takes too much out of you.

Those who saw the moon said they could smell it.

One said it tasted like sin.

The quietness at the parkside road was deafenin'

And the little single couple sittin' there touched

the backs of their hands together.

` `Scare Me ! ' '

We've been tellin' strangers who come to Luckenbach

`Bout our Moon,

But I know they won't believe that

We have such a big moon

For such a small town.
Curdog,

Yup he was there. As was Willie et al. In actuality Being a teenager then, I was really more enamored with the scantly clad bevy of all manner of females that were present. Literally 1000’s. Quite a show. Much like Woodstock, but cut offs, boots, halter tops and cowboy hats along with the tie-dyed crowd.

Loose halter tops!!!!
The Judge came out one Sunday morning with a couple who wanted to get married. He commandeered everybody with a guitar to come in the store to play the Wedding March. The Lead guitar picker in the bunch I was hanging with sort of bowed up until the Judge reminded him of a hot check he had in his desk for a probation fee.

The Picker had the last laugh, though since as soon as the Judge pronounced them married, he cut loose on that Jimmy Buffet song...” Why don’t we get drunk and screw”.
I've heard of Luckenbach, but never been there. If that freak wille nelson is gonna be there, I'm positive, I wont be.
Willie had never been there prior to the song.
Originally Posted by curdog4570
Willie had never been there prior to the song.



He's much too good for Luckenbach now...

Too busy campaigning for Beto.
I pass by quite often when I'm heading to Boerne or the surrounding areas. Never stopped as it just never interested me.
Old hunting pard of mine bartended there a while back until they cut both his legs off from the diabeetus. And he ended up dying nohow. He was from Marble Falls
I make it out there about quarterly. I am usually heading to a classic car dealership outside Fredericksburg or to a gun show there. It's about a half hour from me. Always make some conversation when there.
It's still a fun place to stop for a beer and a little picking.
To All,

I've been there exactly once for an antique British car "tour", about 15 years ago & some of our number "had too much fun" & had to sober up before going on with the tour.

I wasn't driving & as such (I was still drinking/single back then.) was able to enjoy numerous glasses of beer & several Texas "mostly undressed" lovelies that day. = FUN day.

yours, tex
People drink beer out of a glass as Luckenbach? I never have seen it tho I suppose they might have something on tap, likewise IME it ain’t/weren’t a place for “undressed lovelies” tho I apparently missed out on the bachanalia of the 70’s.

Couple of sad cosmetic changes: The antique gas pumps out front have been gone for at least 20 years, worse, the wood-burning stove has been removed from the bar. After riding there a few times on cold winter days (motorcycles were my only transport back then) I still regard that stove with a feeling of nostalgic affection.
Have to admit i've never been there.
There were no glasses of beer back in the day at Luekenbach and I well remember that old wood burning stove. Is the tall “airmail “ mailbox still out in front?

The most remarkable thing about the place - at least to me - was the peacefulness of it. I was something of an expert on Texas beer joints back then and fistfights were routine, particularly at closing time. Bikers, Cowboys, Bankers, and Hippies all present at the same time and I never heard a cross word.
We were there last month. We go two or three times a year to eat at Alamo Springs Cafe. If you've never been there it is the best burger you'll ever eat. Then we mosey on over to Luckenbach.
I might have had a burger or two at Alamo Springs Cafe over the years! Watching the bats come out of the tunnel next door is cool.
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Have to admit i've never been there.


Ditto, although I drive through F'Burg all the time on the way to the deer lease. I might have to stop & hang out some night. smile

Last year I did stop one day and have dinner at Hondo's, figuring it would be a fun place. They screwed up my chick fried steak, tough and unevenly seasoned. Not sure how any self-respecting Texas eatery can screw up CFS, but they did.

Actually, there's enough shopping, wineries, museums, distilleries, and such along Hwy 290, that you could probably kill a week in the F'Burg area. I should lasso a single cutie and take her there for a few days.

If you like Cimmaron Guns and similar Old West paraphernalia, Texas Jack Outfitters on Adams Street is run by the folks who own Cimmaron; they guns and Old West clothing & accessories.
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I might have had a burger or two at Alamo Springs Cafe over the years! Watching the bats come out of the tunnel next door is cool.


There once was a time when the Alamo Springs Cafe wasn't there yet, nor that whole acreage homesite development, there was an actual surviving commune up that dirt road past the railway tunnel. Used to be you would head north out of Luckenbach, hang a left on the old Grapetown Road and then hang a left again at the "T" junction at the Old San Antonio Road. A cool ride, past the Grapetown Shuetzen Verein and with a couple of sudden dips steep enough to catch air on, even two-up.

Then on the left after you passed an old German stone farmhouse or two there was the open gravel area where ya parked to watch the bats come out. You could sit with your legs swinging on the top of the actual cut leading up to the tunnel. First a few scattered bats, then the rustle of hundreds of thousands along with a bat wing-generated breeze like from an electric fan except it positively reeked of ammonia (how nobody got airborne rabies I dunno). They would spiral up out of the cut, you were right at the edge of the swarming bats which looked unreal, like movie special effects, you could reach out and touch one.

Always there were one or two pale (or albino I dunno) bats visible in the horde at any given moment that you could follow in their upward spiral, once clear of the cut the whole bat swarm rose up like a cloud of smoke blowing in the breeze, a long line of bats steadily climbing. Look to the north and you'd see the bat swarm from the other end of the tunnel maybe 100 yards away on private land.

This was up until about 1990, at that time the State took over the tunnel, and then the heavyset, stern-looking short-haired women in Park Service uniforms arrived, making everyone stay away from near the railroad cut and sit on a set of bleachers about 25 yards back and telling everyone to be quiet lest they disturb the bats.

After that I quit stopping at the bat tunnel.
There's only 2 things in life that make it worth livin
is guitars that tune good and firm feelin women
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I might have had a burger or two at Alamo Springs Cafe over the years! Watching the bats come out of the tunnel next door is cool.


There once was a time when the Alamo Springs Cafe wasn't there yet, nor that whole acreage homesite development, there was an actual surviving commune up that dirt road past the railway tunnel. Used to be you would head north out of Luckenbach, hang a left on the old Grapetown Road and then hang a left again at the "T" junction at the Old San Antonio Road. A cool ride, past the Grapetown Shuetzen Verein and with a couple of sudden dips steep enough to catch air on, even two-up.

Then on the left after you passed an old German stone farmhouse or two there was the open gravel area where ya parked to watch the bats come out. You could sit with your legs swinging on the top of the actual cut leading up to the tunnel. First a few scattered bats, then the rustle of hundreds of thousands along with a bat wing-generated breeze like from an electric fan except it positively reeked of ammonia (how nobody got airborne rabies I dunno). They would spiral up out of the cut, you were right at the edge of the swarming bats which looked unreal, like movie special effects, you could reach out and touch one.

Always there were one or two pale (or albino I dunno) bats visible in the horde at any given moment that you could follow in their upward spiral, once clear of the cut the whole bat swarm rose up like a cloud of smoke blowing in the breeze, a long line of bats steadily climbing. Look to the north and you'd see the bat swarm from the other end of the tunnel maybe 100 yards away on private land.

This was up until about 1990, at that time the State took over the tunnel, and then the heavyset, stern-looking short-haired women in Park Service uniforms arrived, making everyone stay away from near the railroad cut and sit on a set of bleachers about 25 yards back and telling everyone to be quiet lest they disturb the bats.

After that I quit stopping at the bat tunnel.


In Death Valley once I was camped at dusk, near the Eureka Sand Dunes, which are the largest sand dunes in North America. A few bugs started flying around my lantern, and before you knew it, there were about 50 little bats chasing the bugs. I just sat there quietly by the lantern, watching the bats flay all around me. I could have easily reached out and grabbed a couple, but figured I'd get bit, and that would be rabies for sure. After 10 minutes, I guess they caught all the bugs, and left. That was before I'd heard of airborne rabies transmission.
When I retired in 2006 we spent our first winter in Fredricksburg & Bandera so we got to spend some time in Luckenbach. Very interesting place & the music was great. Saw the bat cave, the famous hamburger joint was closed for the day so we missed that. Had a lot of great meals in Fredricksburg & the old cemeteries were really interesting. as was Cimmaron Arms.
But Luckenbach was just really a neat place to stop & see, some places you could see through the walls in the back of the old Post Office, bar. Oh, and Texas women, yikes!!

Dick
use to knock bats down out of our palm trees when i was kid and keep them in a bird cage, glad none ever had rabies,
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Here or there.......
Originally Posted by Birdwatcher
(how nobody got airborne rabies I dunno).


Maybe because it ain't possible.

Rabies is NOT transmitted through the blood, urine, or feces of an infected animal, nor is it spread airborne through the open environment.

http://www.911wildlife.com/animals/common-misconceptions-about-rabies/
Originally Posted by Fubarski
Originally Posted by Birdwatcher
(how nobody got airborne rabies I dunno).


Maybe because it ain't possible.

Rabies is NOT transmitted through the blood, urine, or feces of an infected animal, nor is it spread airborne through the open environment.

http://www.911wildlife.com/animals/common-misconceptions-about-rabies/


As long as you stay out of bat caves....

https://academic.oup.com/jid/article/195/8/1144/816583

Aerosol transmission has been implied in 4 reports of human rabies cases and documented in experimental work with animals. In all instances when aerosol transmission was cited as the route of human infection, more plausible explanations may exist. In the 2 cases involving spelunkers working in Frio Cave there were notations of direct contact between the spelunkers and the bats, although no documented bites were reported..... Constantine documented aerosol transmission of rabies virus to experimental animals in Frio Cave. This Texas cave, which is home to 110 million bats, was the location where 2 humans were believed to have contracted rabies via aerosol. Constantine was able to demonstrate transmission of rabies virus to animals housed in cages that excluded all but cave atmosphere. Rabies virus was isolated from samples collected via air condensation techniques that were used to monitor the atmosphere in this cave.


A well-known concern among spelunkers and cave researchers here in Texas. IIRC the researchers routinely get rabies shots beforehand, I dunno about the spelunkers.


The Four Horsemen of the Gerontocalypse as seen in San Antonio not too long ago........

Three of these guys grew up in Texas, three were oilfield roughnecks, one was a Peace Corps dweeb. One is a teacher, one has a bunch of cows, one is a petroleum engineer and one wrenches on aircraft.

All of 'em were riding motorcycles entirely too fast around College Station TX about 35 years ago, stopped in at Luckenbach a time or three too grin

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Originally Posted by Birdwatcher
Originally Posted by Fubarski
Originally Posted by Birdwatcher
(how nobody got airborne rabies I dunno).


Maybe because it ain't possible.

Rabies is NOT transmitted through the blood, urine, or feces of an infected animal, nor is it spread airborne through the open environment.

http://www.911wildlife.com/animals/common-misconceptions-about-rabies/


As long as you stay out of bat caves....

https://academic.oup.com/jid/article/195/8/1144/816583

Aerosol transmission has been implied in 4 reports of human rabies cases and documented in experimental work with animals. In all instances when aerosol transmission was cited as the route of human infection, more plausible explanations may exist. In the 2 cases involving spelunkers working in Frio Cave there were notations of direct contact between the spelunkers and the bats, although no documented bites were reported..... Constantine documented aerosol transmission of rabies virus to experimental animals in Frio Cave. This Texas cave, which is home to 110 million bats, was the location where 2 humans were believed to have contracted rabies via aerosol. Constantine was able to demonstrate transmission of rabies virus to animals housed in cages that excluded all but cave atmosphere. Rabies virus was isolated from samples collected via air condensation techniques that were used to monitor the atmosphere in this cave.


A well-known concern among spelunkers and cave researchers here in Texas. IIRC the researchers routinely get rabies shots beforehand, I dunno about the spelunkers.


Nope.

From your own quote, which you somehow left out:

Nonbite transmission of rabies is very rare, and aerosol transmission has never been well documented in the natural environment. The known pathogenesis of rabies and available data suggest that all or nearly all cases of human rabies attributable to bats were transmitted by bat bites that were minimized or unrecognized by the patients. [Gibbons RV. Cryptogenic rabies, bats, and the question of aerosol transmission. Ann Emerg Med. May 2002;39:528-536.]
Didn't read the whole thing, OK, so skip the rabies shots, if you're caged up in a bat cave the rabbit is doomed but you ain't <"shrug">
This is the place to see there. Good friendly folks.

http://www.jecauthen.com/
I believe there was one documented case of a bat getting into a home, and a boy contracted the disease, even though he was not bitten. The guess was a tiny bit of spittle from the bat entered the boy's mouth or eyes, and that was enough.
I haven't researched it in quite a few years, but I would not discount the possibility of aerosol transmission. Most everyone who works with and handles wild mammals these days is vaccinated for rabies. There is a very effective vaccine for humans these days.

Back in the late Pleistocene, while I was in grad school, a number of us were vaccinated--mostly because we all worked on each other's projects, some of which involved catching, marking, and otherwise handling animals that would be released ,and mostly not seen or handled again.

The old duck serum vaccine was awful. Some people were affected worse than others, but apparently you could write off about three days of being good for nothing. The human diploid cell vaccine (which I got while it was still being evaluated) was like getting shot of distilled water. The last time I had my blood tested, the titre was still way above the minimum value needed to protect against rabies.
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