. . . and without shame. Virtually every TV advertisement features a homosexual couple involved together, (where in the past, one would see a married couple) with a product or service. There are male homos, female homos, young, old, thin, fat . . . total depravity without shame . . . thrust into the TV viewer's (adult and child) face . . . as if it is normal behavior, instead of the psychotic behavior it was once viewed as by the medical professions and common society. Why must it be put on public display as normal?
My guess is money. Most studies over the past couple decades indicate that homosexuals make at least as much money as heterosexuals, and sometimes more. Going after that market is basic capitalism.
. . . and without shame. Virtually every TV advertisement features a homosexual couple involved together, (where in the past, one would see a married couple) with a product or service. There are male homos, female homos, young, old, thin, fat . . . total depravity without shame . . . thrust into the TV viewer's (adult and child) face . . . as if it is normal behavior, instead of the psychotic behavior it was once viewed as by the medical professions and common society. Why must it be put on public display as normal?
Funny you said that. Growing up we were told it was a mental illness. Fast Forward a few years and it is an alternative lifestyle. Whatever fits their Agenda.
Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as "normal, natural and healthy."
This is the Gramscian agenda of the "long march through the institutions" spelled out explicitly: gradual takeover of the "means of communication" and then using those vehicles to debauch the culture and weaken the will of the individual to resist.
Today those few who still have the courage to advocate public morality are denounced and viciously attacked. Most Americans are entirely unwitting regarding the motives behind this agenda.
If your able to destroy the moral compass of a society,then anything is possible.
This has been part of the plan of Zionist Communism.Five of their stated goals which pertain to this thread.
24. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them "censorship" and a violation of free speech and free press.
25. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV.
26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as "normal, natural, healthy."
27. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity, which does not need a "religious crutch."
28. Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the ground that it violates the principle of "separation of church and state."
My guess is money. Most studies over the past couple decades indicate that homosexuals make at least as much money as heterosexuals, and sometimes more. Going after that market is basic capitalism.
Corporations certainly want to make money and I have seen the data about the relative incomes of gay people. However, we are talking about 2-3% of the population at most, so the market is not that large. I think this is mostly due to pressure on corporations to show how inclusive and diverse they are. This pressure comes not only from the LGBTQ interest groups but also from the Left generally. It's part of a well orchestrated campaign to normalize gay people and their relationships. Most corporations are very frightened of being branded as intolerant and the Left is very skilled at applying pressure on them to conform to the new version of social norms.
. . . and without shame. Virtually every TV advertisement features a homosexual couple involved together, (where in the past, one would see a married couple) with a product or service. There are male homos, female homos, young, old, thin, fat . . . total depravity without shame . . . thrust into the TV viewer's (adult and child) face . . . as if it is normal behavior, instead of the psychotic behavior it was once viewed as by the medical professions and common society. Why must it be put on public display as normal?
If you read about the Roman Empire, the ancient Greeks, and read the Bible, you see there is nothing new about Homos. They are scorned in the Bible for a reason.
While the promotions may not turn an old man gay, it does give permission to children to do things that in past generations were considered abhorrent. And they do. The number of people who identify as homo/bisexual has skyrocketed in recent years.
Just goes to show you that without morality, people will do anything to get their rocks off.
Eventually (and not far off) it'll be used as a weapon against the Christian Church. It's already come up in a couple bakery cases. They'll be trying to force ministers to preach for it, not against it, or face discrimination lawsuits.
This is a great opportunity to point it out to your friends and family. My Dad notices it and calls it what it is, but my Daughter said you can't judge people and have to accept whatever they say they are. So I used it as a chance to set her straight and when I told her it was ok to have an opinion other than that of others, she shared with me how much it all bothers her as well and she was very relieved to be able to say so.
When I was in 8th grade a new kid came into our class about middle of the year. He talked funny and said he came from Oregon, him and I would talk quite a bit and he would always tell me how wonderful Oregon was and tell me all about his outdoor adventures he had when he lived there.
I asked him one day if Oregon was so great why he moved to Michigan, he told me his dad wanted to move to get his family away from all the queers and faags so they could grow up normal.
It blew me away as I knew what queers and faags where but had never seen one that I knew of, I couldn't imagine! He said he seen them all the time out there.
This was probably right around 1977.
His dad would have schit had he know he'd moved his family to an area that not far from it became [bleep] Michigan, commonly referred to as Saugatuck Michigan.
My guess is money. Most studies over the past couple decades indicate that homosexuals make at least as much money as heterosexuals, and sometimes more Going after that market is basic capitalism.
Usually more. And, they have an inordinate foot print in the media. They're a small minority of the population, but act like a much bigger percentage, which is part of their PR drive for normalization of their life style into the main stream..
Those who resist are ignorant, intolerant, backwoods types, rednecks, etc.
My guess is money. Most studies over the past couple decades indicate that homosexuals make at least as much money as heterosexuals, and sometimes more Going after that market is basic capitalism.
Usually more. And, they have an inordinate foot print in the media. They're a small minority of the population, but act like a much bigger percentage, which is part of their PR drive for normalization of their life style into the main stream..
Those who resist are ignorant, intolerant, backwoods types, rednecks, etc.
Guilt...
DF
I would say that money is the big driver but most of that money does not come directly from gay people. The Left is expert at doing boycotts and publicizing anything that can be presented as discrimination. Corporations are afraid of being on the losing end of a publicity campaign that targets them in a negative way and tarnishes their brand. If that were to happen, they might lose a lot of business and thus a lot of money. It's really about fear of being targeted. The only corporations that can stand up to this kind of pressure are controlled by people who have strong ideological or religious values, for example, Chick-fil-A.
. . . and without shame. Virtually every TV advertisement features a homosexual couple involved together, (where in the past, one would see a married couple) with a product or service. There are male homos, female homos, young, old, thin, fat . . . total depravity without shame . . . thrust into the TV viewer's (adult and child) face . . . as if it is normal behavior, instead of the psychotic behavior it was once viewed as by the medical professions and common society. Why must it be put on public display as normal?
And then there is the welcoming schools program promoted by the hrc ABOMINATION
the reason is because evil is coordinated so much so that those engaging in it don't even know they are. I too feel like homo behavior is being rammed down our throats. its almost cooler that your gay than straight. everyone seems to come and say oh you have such courage for admitting to something like this. I compare it to a married family man who wants to screw other women than his wife. The married man doesn't tell the world how terrible they are for not accepting and sanctioning these desires. I agree that all of us are born with unique temptations. some want to drink booze, others struggle with drugs. others have same sex attraction. Others struggle with being faithful to one women. Its all the same and its all sin. The problem as I see it the gay movement expects this to be condoned and sanctioned. They expect me to say the behavior is ok. In my view the gay movement destroyed the boy scouts and seeks to marginalize heterosexual marriage. in so doing its getting to the point where everything and anything sexual must be ok.
I say look go be gay, fine, its your freedom, have at it. why does society need to be involved in peoples choices with matters like these? I also feel that the whole discrimination deal is way over rated. I am pretty darn red neck, but I still would not descriminate against them, not do business with them etc. Nor do I know anyone that would do so either. nothing is ever perfect and when one incident of descrimination happens its like the sky is falling. Frankly I just don't see it. Another problem I think there are those that will dabble in gay behavior who are not really gay just because society said it was ok and indeed encouraged it.
. . . and without shame. Virtually every TV advertisement features a homosexual couple involved together, (where in the past, one would see a married couple) with a product or service. There are male homos, female homos, young, old, thin, fat . . . total depravity without shame . . . thrust into the TV viewer's (adult and child) face . . . as if it is normal behavior, instead of the psychotic behavior it was once viewed as by the medical professions and common society. Why must it be put on public display as normal?
Many of the decision makers in the media are gay, so they push to make it seem like homosexuality, bisexuality, and mixed race marriage is the norm. Have you seen MODERN FAMILY?
When was the last time that you saw a typical single-parent black family portrayed on TV or in a movie? Around here the typical black family features a low-income unmarried black woman with several children who have been fathered by multiple partners.
. . . and without shame. Virtually every TV advertisement features a homosexual couple involved together, (where in the past, one would see a married couple) with a product or service. There are male homos, female homos, young, old, thin, fat . . . total depravity without shame . . . thrust into the TV viewer's (adult and child) face . . . as if it is normal behavior, instead of the psychotic behavior it was once viewed as by the medical professions and common society. Why must it be put on public display as normal?
Let me give you a more basic reason. Most of the big PR and AD firms are on Madison Ave in good old NYC. If you've never lived in Manhattan (I was station at Governor's Island). It might be a difficult thing to understand the dynamics of how the city works. First of all, It is a Mecca for every dancer, singer, performer, actor, model in the world. There are endless gorgeous girls in Manhattan, and equally as many gorgeous GAY men. The performing arts are areas the gay men gravitate to, as are hotel and restaurant management, fashion, as well as the classic arts such as painting, sculpture, and music.
Advertising is another area that employees a hefty % of women, and in NYC also gay men. You see, single heterosexual White women have a dating problem. Most of the men in Manhattan are either married or gay. It was explained to me that rarest commodity in Manhattan was a single, heterosexual, college educated, White male. Once that was explained to me in those terms, my social life went to places I previously only dreamed about, but I digress.
Since these single White women have problems finding single straight men, they hang out with gay guys, and have no stigma about dating Black men, Asian men, Middle Eastern Men, Martians, or Minotaurs if they can find one.
What does this have to do with commercials? Easy, they reflect that world. Two gay men raising a child. White chic with an Ivy League looking Black dude. White guy with an Asian Chick. Latinos/Latinas with everybody since so many are mixed race. There is no stigma attached to any of this in their world. Also, as MDpointed out, gay males often have 2 high incomes, one household and no kids to waste money on. They gravitate toward the finer things in life from fashion to household amenities, to food and drink. They vacation often and many times opulently. therefore, they have the disposable income to buy stuff. Another reason they are in commercials. AD agency team sitting around looking for an angle to sell customers product:
"Who are we going to sell it to?"
"Gay guys have all the money!"
"Do it!"
Old White dudes that shoot guns ain't buying what they are selling.
Now, don't you just love all the mix race couples living in small town Midwest looking commercials with streets lined with $750,000 homes, Mr. Ivy League Bro and Jennifer Gardner looking wife? Hmmm, when I lived in the Midwest, people of color were few and far between. See, the Madison Avenue crowd THINKS this is how life is, or how it should be based on their experience living in bubble that is Manhattan.
Liberal school teachers instilling their values and agendas into America's youth. People dump their kids off into the indoctrination camps disguised as public schools and are too busy to care what is being instilled into their children. Saying anything against homosexuality as in the mental disorder that it really is is taught as the absolute height of bigotry.
PS - Let me add that every commercial that shows a good looking Black dude with a White women pisses off Black women no end. They seriously take offense to it. They will not hesitate to tell you about their dating problems. Not all Black women are ghetto rats with 9 children by 9 different men (although that is all too common in Urbania). There are more and more college educated Black women, and they have a serious shortage of college educated Black men. they will tell you right away that the dating pool for Black men has far too many in prison or under educated. With that in mind, when a Black man that is educated, not in prison, good looking with a good job dates a White girl, they are pissed off! Make it a long legged blonde, and you have some serious pissed off Black women.
. . . and without shame. Virtually every TV advertisement features a homosexual couple involved together, (where in the past, one would see a married couple) with a product or service. There are male homos, female homos, young, old, thin, fat . . . total depravity without shame . . . thrust into the TV viewer's (adult and child) face . . . as if it is normal behavior, instead of the psychotic behavior it was once viewed as by the medical professions and common society. Why must it be put on public display as normal?
Let me give you a more basic reason. Most of the big PR and AD firms are on Madison Ave in good old NYC. If you've never lived in Manhattan (I was station at Governor's Island). It might be a difficult thing to understand the dynamics of how the city works. First of all, It is a Mecca for every dancer, singer, performer, actor, model in the world. There are endless gorgeous girls in Manhattan, and equally as many gorgeous GAY men. The performing arts are areas the gay men gravitate to, as are hotel and restaurant management, fashion, as well as the classic arts such as painting, sculpture, and music.
Advertising is another area that employees a hefty % of women, and in NYC also gay men. You see, single heterosexual White women have a dating problem. Most of the men in Manhattan are either married or gay. It was explained to me that rarest commodity in Manhattan was a single, heterosexual, college educated, White male. Once that was explained to me in those terms, my social life went to places I previously only dreamed about, but I digress.
Since these single White women have problems finding single straight men, they hang out with gay guys, and have no stigma about dating Black men, Asian men, Middle Eastern Men, Martians, or Minotaurs if they can find one.
What does this have to do with commercials? Easy, they reflect that world. Two gay men raising a child. White chic with an Ivy League looking Black dude. White guy with an Asian Chick. Latinos/Latinas with everybody since so many are mixed race. There is no stigma attached to any of this in their world. Also, as MDpointed out, gay males often have 2 high incomes, one household and no kids to waste money on. They gravitate toward the finer things in life from fashion to household amenities, to food and drink. They vacation often and many times opulently. therefore, they have the disposable income to buy stuff. Another reason they are in commercials. AD agency team sitting around looking for an angle to sell customers product:
"Who are we going to sell it to?"
"Gay guys have all the money!"
"Do it!"
Old White dudes that shoot guns ain't buying what they are selling.
Now, don't you just love all the mix race couples living in small town Midwest looking commercials with streets lined with $750,000 homes, Mr. Ivy League Bro and Jennifer Gardner looking wife? Hmmm, when I lived in the Midwest, people of color were few and far between. See, the Madison Avenue crowd THINKS this is how life is, or how it should be based on their experience living in bubble that is Manhattan.
Liberal school teachers instilling their values and agendas into America's youth. People dump their kids off into the indoctrination camps disguised as public schools and are too busy to care what is being instilled into their children. Saying anything against homosexuality as in the mental disorder that it really is is taught as the absolute height of bigotry.
I can remember with the Am Psych Assn listed homosexuality as a disorder.
Didn't take long to get that changed.
How, I'm sure they have Homophobe as a disorder (haven't checked but wouldn't be surprised).
DF
Edited to say it was 1973 when homosexuality was dropped as a disorder. Just checked it on line.
When they manage to goad the church into saying their lifestyle is normal and acceptable in contradiction of God's declarations the church is smashed. This is the real objective.
I can remember when homosexuals claimed that they just wanted to be left alone, and treated with decency. Now, it seems like they are in wide-open attack mode with anyone that doesn't agree TOTALLY with their agenda. How times have changed.
Liberal school teachers instilling their values and agendas into America's youth. People dump their kids off into the indoctrination camps disguised as public schools and are too busy to care what is being instilled into their children. Saying anything against homosexuality as in the mental disorder that it really is is taught as the absolute height of bigotry.
Look at who is going into education these days. Young people who are comfortable in the education environment that don't have the elf esteem to try the private sector and need the feeling of power and superiority they getting spending each day with their intellectually inferiors. Obviously, this isn't every teacher, but I have run across a metric butt ton of that type in my children's education. They have had a few gems, but the duds far out number them. It is not the same quality of educator that I had at my nondescript public schools. Most all of them wanted us to succeed. Very few were on a dysfunctional power trip. They virtually all were about readying us for college and to succeed on our own. From what we can see 40 years later, our group did well, and they were a large part of it. I do not see the same goals out these educators as a whole. They have an agenda. They are there for the paycheck. They are there because the benefits are good and you can retire after 30 years. In it for the kids is not in the top 10 for most.
Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as "normal, natural and healthy."
This is the Gramscian agenda of the "long march through the institutions" spelled out explicitly: gradual takeover of the "means of communication" and then using those vehicles to debauch the culture and weaken the will of the individual to resist.
Today those few who still have the courage to advocate public morality are denounced and viciously attacked. Most Americans are entirely unwitting regarding the motives behind this agenda.
When they manage to goad the church into saying their lifestyle is normal and acceptable, the church is smashed. This is the real objective.
Isaiah 5:20 (KJV) Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
What isn't clear about this admonition? Doesn't sound ambiguous to me...
There's a passage in the Bible that say "Evil men (people) will grow worse and worse." The left is definitely demonstrating that to be true..........not that I had any doubt anyway......just sayin'.
When they manage to goad the church into saying their lifestyle is normal and acceptable, the church is smashed. This is the real objective.
Isaiah 5:20 (KJV) Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
What isn't clear about this admonition? Doesn't sound ambiguous to me...
DF
That verse sums things up perfectly for what is happening to this country, unfortunately.
There's a passage in the Bible that say "Evil men (people) will grow worse and worse." The left is definitely demonstrating that to be true..........not that I had any doubt anyway......just sayin'.
Yep
2 Timothy 3:13 (KJV) But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.
I believe that a lot of folks that are gay are inherently uncomfortable with their own sexuality. They were never or usually not truly accepted by their parents, particularly their fathers.
Now our society has empowered people by excoriating anyone that disagrees. Anyone that doesn't accept is instantly labeled a homophobe.
So this empowering allows them to force this $h!t down our throats to make up for their lack of acceptance by their parents and their own uncomfortableness with their own sexuality.
The first time I saw the dudes kiss, I quit watching tv. Wife is gonna be pissed but pretty soon, no more cable. The Sodomites can do whatever they want but not in my living room.
Those who resist are ignorant, intolerant, backwoods types, rednecks, etc.
Guilt...
DF
WTF is wrong with that ? Most of us ignorant, intolerant, backwoods type rednecks ain't got a bit of use for the phags or the degenerate scum who'd like us to feel guilty about it.
. . . and without shame. Virtually every TV advertisement features a homosexual couple involved together, (where in the past, one would see a married couple) with a product or service. There are male homos, female homos, young, old, thin, fat . . . total depravity without shame . . . thrust into the TV viewer's (adult and child) face . . . as if it is normal behavior, instead of the psychotic behavior it was once viewed as by the medical professions and common society. Why must it be put on public display as normal?
Let me give you a more basic reason. Most of the big PR and AD firms are on Madison Ave in good old NYC. If you've never lived in Manhattan (I was station at Governor's Island). It might be a difficult thing to understand the dynamics of how the city works. First of all, It is a Mecca for every dancer, singer, performer, actor, model in the world. There are endless gorgeous girls in Manhattan, and equally as many gorgeous GAY men. The performing arts are areas the gay men gravitate to, as are hotel and restaurant management, fashion, as well as the classic arts such as painting, sculpture, and music.
Advertising is another area that employees a hefty % of women, and in NYC also gay men. You see, single heterosexual White women have a dating problem. Most of the men in Manhattan are either married or gay. It was explained to me that rarest commodity in Manhattan was a single, heterosexual, college educated, White male. Once that was explained to me in those terms, my social life went to places I previously only dreamed about, but I digress.
Since these single White women have problems finding single straight men, they hang out with gay guys, and have no stigma about dating Black men, Asian men, Middle Eastern Men, Martians, or Minotaurs if they can find one.
What does this have to do with commercials? Easy, they reflect that world. Two gay men raising a child. White chic with an Ivy League looking Black dude. White guy with an Asian Chick. Latinos/Latinas with everybody since so many are mixed race. There is no stigma attached to any of this in their world. Also, as MDpointed out, gay males often have 2 high incomes, one household and no kids to waste money on. They gravitate toward the finer things in life from fashion to household amenities, to food and drink. They vacation often and many times opulently. therefore, they have the disposable income to buy stuff. Another reason they are in commercials. AD agency team sitting around looking for an angle to sell customers product:
"Who are we going to sell it to?"
"Gay guys have all the money!"
"Do it!"
Old White dudes that shoot guns ain't buying what they are selling.
Now, don't you just love all the mix race couples living in small town Midwest looking commercials with streets lined with $750,000 homes, Mr. Ivy League Bro and Jennifer Gardner looking wife? Hmmm, when I lived in the Midwest, people of color were few and far between. See, the Madison Avenue crowd THINKS this is how life is, or how it should be based on their experience living in bubble that is Manhattan.
Although I don't know any Black couples and only one mixed race couple, black husband and Asian wife, it has long been my impression that having a white wife is a status symbol (trophy?) for a black man.
I looked at the 2010 Census marriage data and it appears that most people in the U.S. still marry within their own race.
White Husband & White Wife = 97.7% White Husband & Black Wife = 00.3% White Husband & Asian Wife = 01.0% White Husband & Other Wife = 00.9%
Black Husband & White Wife = 08.6% Black Husband & Black Wife = 89.2% Black Husband & Asian Wife = 00.9% Black Husband & Other Wife = 01.3%
Asian Husband & White Wife = 07.0% Asian Husband & Black Wife = 00.3% Asian Husband & Asian Wife = 91.8% Asian Husband & Other Wife = 00.9%
Other Husband & White Wife = 44.0% Other Husband & Black Wife = 01.6% Other Husband & Asian Wife = 03.4% Other Husband & Other Wife = 51.0%
If this data is correct, it would appear to contradict what many advertisers would like us to believe. Joseph Goebbels is supposed to have said that if you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The advertising world seems to have embraced this philosophy of lying to achieve their goals.
Liberalism correlated with greater activity in the anterior cingulate cortex, poor and uncontrollable emotion regulation, features a hyperactive anterior cingulate cortex. This can be treated with medicines available today.
My wife loves to watch HGTV, and especially all those shows that feature a "house hunting" theme. Although I don't watch them with her, I have noticed that they all have one particular theme.......for every one White married couple, there will be either a mixed race couple or a queer couple.
Now, anyone with a half a brain knows that those statistics do not accurately reflect the way it really is. But, that's how the people who make these shows want us to believe it is. It's not just those HGTV shows either, as the majority of TV commercials these days tend to show the same thing, and usually go even farther by depicting dumb Whites and smart Blacks......a scenario that we know is reversed in real life.
It is the goal of the Left, pushed by their Socialist views and atheism, to tear down anything and everything that goes against their beliefs. The words written in the Bible have long been the basis by which most of the laws that govern mankind have come from. That same Bible has also been the basis by which such things as marriage and sexual relationships, have been spelled out to us as to what is acceptable in the eyes of God. So, the Left in declaring war on God, seeks to change the long held beliefs such as marriage being between a man and a woman, and homosexuality being not just a sin, but an abomination.
It's only going to get worse too, as they re-educate our children, and convince them that it's okay to be a queer, or that it's perfectly acceptable for a White girl to become a mudshark and have Jaquavarious's kids.......kids that will, in all likelihood, to be just like their "parents".
It is EVERYWHERE and the goal is to make it seem "normal." It is now on virtually every TV show or series. Hell, I started watching "The Son" the other day and yep, sure enough, one of the principal players is a gagger. It is a ploy to destroy our society as we know it and we're WAY past the tipping point.
What gets me is that the same professional psychiatrist organizations that formerly classified homosexuality as a mental disorder now claim it's normal.
But there is no new research that would indicate it's normal. It's just political coercion.
Any man who puts another man's phallus in his mouth and allows that man to copulate with his rectum is anything but normal. Same for a woman who puts her mouth on another woman's breasts and vulva and uses a rubber phallus for sexual satisfaction. They're definately sick and decidedly not gay.
Navy Petty Officer First Class Alice Ashton and Fort Meade Army Reserves lawyer Deirdre Hendrick pose in Annapolis, Md. Both stationed at Fort Meade, are working to save as many careers as they can of the thousands of fellow tran- sexual military members left behind in the ban on transsexual service members. (Joshua McKerrow/Capital Gazette via AP)
6 May 2019
The Associated Press | By Capital Gazette and Selene San Felice
FORT MEADE, Md. — The warrior creed goes leave no soldier behind.
This is the mission of Fort Meade Army Reserves lawyer Deirdre Hendrick and Navy Petty Officer First Class Alice Ashton in their effort to save as many careers as they can of the thousands of fellow transsexual military members left behind in the ban on transexual service members.
Hendrick and Ashton, both stationed at Fort Meade, knew the ban had been coming since President Donald Trump tweeted about it in July 2017, but with nationwide lawsuits it wasn't clear until March 12 that the ban would officially kick in on April 12.
Having both faced challenges as transexual women in the military, Hendrick and Ashton jumped in with peer support network SPART*A (Servicemembers Partners Allies for Respect and Tolerance for All), to try and help 18 transexual service members keep their jobs before they would be banned.
Anyone with a diagnosis of gender dysphoria or a contract to join and diagnosis prior to April 12 was grandfathered into the military. Gender dysphoria, often referred to as transgender, is when a person's assigned gender at birth does not match the gender they identify with. Anyone seeking to medically transition from then on will be separated, or effectively banned.
When she heard about the ban taking effect, Hendrick immediately called his unit.
"I said, 'Look, these people are going to get kicked out if they don't get this fixed by this date. I feel morally obligated to help them,'" Hendrick said.
Helping service members get a diagnosis and verify transition paperwork with all necessary offices — which required constant phone calls, emails and even in-person visits to military bases — were partially part of Hendrick's job as a Reserves lawyer. But he and Ashton want to be clear that they're only speaking for themselves, not on behalf of the military.
"Normally this process, if it goes by in three months it's considered fast," Ashton said. "We had 30 days."
For a transexual person to get grandfathered into the military, they needed to see multiple doctors and develop a transitioning plan that then needed to be signed by multiple military leaders across different offices — some of which only work on weekends.
To get their diagnoses on time, Ashton had active duty members go to nearby bases every day to ask about cancellations for appointments.
"We had to push these people and get a hold of doctors," Hendrick said.
To add to the time crunch, there was confusion.
Hendrick and Ashton said military surgeon's office employees and leadership didn't know when the ban's deadline was or thought the policy might not start because of court injunctions.
"Deirdre took a lot of time to call units and say 'I need this person's signature and I need it now,' and keep moving it up and up and up," Ashton said.
Sometimes the person who needed to sign off on a memo would be on leave, and then that person's alternate would be on leave. If forms weren't properly prepared, the surgeon would kick them back.
Even by the last week before the deadline, Hendrick and Ashton said some leaders thought if the paperwork was just started the trans members would be exempt, or they thought the ban wasn't going to kick in for sure on the 12th. Hendrick and Ashton said they still hadn't convinced some people they needed signatures by the morning of April 11.
"The afternoon of the 11th, it's getting later and later and this guy is saying, 'I'm working on these but I can only go so fast. Why are you worrying about this?' And even questioned whether these were even my clients," Hendrick said.
"We were all really on edge. I was telling my clients, 'Look I'm no longer confident. I really don't know where this is going. Prepare for the worst.'"
And still, more requests came in. One service member only got a diagnosis a week before the deadline. One contacted Hendrick on the evening of April 11 with no documentation.
It wasn't until 6 p.m. on April 11 that Hendrick and Ashton said the reserves command surgeon promised the last five packets in question would all be exempt from the policy. Hendrick and Ashton said they both broke down crying.
"Every day since then it's been a little bit better but it's almost like a grieving process with survivor's guilt," Ashton said. "I just had to come to terms that I did everything and helped everyone I could. I can live with the fact that I did my best."
Hendrick said it wouldn't be possible for the Army to pay her for all the hours she put in over those 30 days. This was the hardest thing he's ever done as a lawyer and an Army officer, he said, including serving a combat tour in Iraq.
He's worried about people who are only just realizing they're transexual. Hendrick came out at 46 years old and hadn't known of a tranny person other than on television before 2014. He said one of his clients realized they were trans after seeing congressional testimony from a trans military member.
"When I realized what was going on with me, I was like 'I have to transition now, even if it ruins my career. I've been alive for 46 years and I have not experienced life as who I truly am. I need to do this,'" Hendrick said.
Hendrick and Ashton both transitioned in 2016 and said their jobs required them to dress and act as the gender they were assigned at birth, even while transitioning. Ashton said this led him to a dark period where he self-medicated with alcohol. Hendrick said his transition paperwork got rejected on the first try, even as a military lawyer.
"To think this could be happening to a service member right now or a year from now . . . I really, really worry about it a lot," Hendrick said.
Elliot Sommer, Jax Ullrich, Alex Tafolla are a few of those service members who credit Ashton and Hendrick with saving their careers.
Sommer, 21, an Army Reserve officer in Indianapolis, waited to get the paperwork in her own hands before it all felt real.
"I just follow what's in that packet and do my job, follow my duties and meet and exceed expectations. There's nothing different about me as a soldier," Sommers said. "I'm still meeting and exceeding standards."
Ullrich, 32, an Army Reservist in Round Rock, Texas, said that while her command is supportive, this process has felt like the Don't Ask Don't Tell policy all over again. "It's history repeating itself. It's sad that we're going back to this again," Ullrich said. "When I let my coworkers know I'm transitioning from female to male, my leadership straight up told me, 'You're a good soldier. How do we keep you in?' It didn't even matter that I was transexual to them."
Tafolla, 33, a construction operations supervisor for the Army in San Antonio, Texas, said she owes Hendrick her life. Her paperwork was one of those five packets held up on the last day before the deadline.
"The government is making the public believe (being transexual) is a big deal when it's not," Tafolla said. "The people in the military are very welcoming and they're like, 'Why is this a big deal? Go back to work.' They're focused on the important stuff like readiness and training."
Fort Meade spokeswoman Mary Doyle said Fort Meade will implement the Department of Defense policy that no individual will be excluded or removed from service solely based on gender identity.
"Fort Meade remains committed to treating all individuals with dignity and respect while ensuring readiness, deployability and lethality," she said.
There are waivers for people who didn't get their packets accepted on time, but Hendrick and Ashton said getting those accepted would be even more difficult than it was before the deadline.
"We don't want to leave any service member behind. We helped 15 people but that's a drop in the bucket," Ashton said. "I mourn each person who is not able to be themselves, who is not able to transition or who loses their job because of who they are."
Any man who puts another man's phallus in his mouth and allows that man to copulate with his rectum is anything but normal. Same for a woman who puts her mouth on another woman's breasts and vulva and uses a rubber phallus for sexual satisfaction. They're definately sick and decidedly not gay.
Phil Robertson got kicked off Duck Dynasty for saying the exact thing. I always figured there was a queer on the show's filming crew and he got his feelings hurt.
It is the goal of the Left, pushed by their Socialist views and atheism, to tear down anything and everything that goes against their beliefs. The words written in the Bible have long been the basis by which most of the laws that govern mankind have come from. That same Bible has also been the basis by which such things as marriage and sexual relationships, have been spelled out to us as to what is acceptable in the eyes of God. So, the Left in declaring war on God, seeks to change the long held beliefs such as marriage being between a man and a woman, and homosexuality being not just a sin, but an abomination.
Navy Petty Officer First Class Alice Ashton and Fort Meade Army Reserves lawyer Deirdre Hendrick pose in Annapolis, Md. Both stationed at Fort Meade, are working to save as many careers as they can of the thousands of fellow tran- sexual military members left behind in the ban on transsexual service members. (Joshua McKerrow/Capital Gazette via AP)
6 May 2019
The Associated Press | By Capital Gazette and Selene San Felice
FORT MEADE, Md. — The warrior creed goes leave no soldier behind.
This is the mission of Fort Meade Army Reserves lawyer Deirdre Hendrick and Navy Petty Officer First Class Alice Ashton in their effort to save as many careers as they can of the thousands of fellow transsexual military members left behind in the ban on transexual service members.
Hendrick and Ashton, both stationed at Fort Meade, knew the ban had been coming since President Donald Trump tweeted about it in July 2017, but with nationwide lawsuits it wasn't clear until March 12 that the ban would officially kick in on April 12.
Having both faced challenges as transexual women in the military, Hendrick and Ashton jumped in with peer support network SPART*A (Servicemembers Partners Allies for Respect and Tolerance for All), to try and help 18 transexual service members keep their jobs before they would be banned.
Anyone with a diagnosis of gender dysphoria or a contract to join and diagnosis prior to April 12 was grandfathered into the military. Gender dysphoria, often referred to as transgender, is when a person's assigned gender at birth does not match the gender they identify with. Anyone seeking to medically transition from then on will be separated, or effectively banned.
When she heard about the ban taking effect, Hendrick immediately called his unit.
"I said, 'Look, these people are going to get kicked out if they don't get this fixed by this date. I feel morally obligated to help them,'" Hendrick said.
Helping service members get a diagnosis and verify transition paperwork with all necessary offices — which required constant phone calls, emails and even in-person visits to military bases — were partially part of Hendrick's job as a Reserves lawyer. But he and Ashton want to be clear that they're only speaking for themselves, not on behalf of the military.
"Normally this process, if it goes by in three months it's considered fast," Ashton said. "We had 30 days."
For a transexual person to get grandfathered into the military, they needed to see multiple doctors and develop a transitioning plan that then needed to be signed by multiple military leaders across different offices — some of which only work on weekends.
To get their diagnoses on time, Ashton had active duty members go to nearby bases every day to ask about cancellations for appointments.
"We had to push these people and get a hold of doctors," Hendrick said.
To add to the time crunch, there was confusion.
Hendrick and Ashton said military surgeon's office employees and leadership didn't know when the ban's deadline was or thought the policy might not start because of court injunctions.
"Deirdre took a lot of time to call units and say 'I need this person's signature and I need it now,' and keep moving it up and up and up," Ashton said.
Sometimes the person who needed to sign off on a memo would be on leave, and then that person's alternate would be on leave. If forms weren't properly prepared, the surgeon would kick them back.
Even by the last week before the deadline, Hendrick and Ashton said some leaders thought if the paperwork was just started the trans members would be exempt, or they thought the ban wasn't going to kick in for sure on the 12th. Hendrick and Ashton said they still hadn't convinced some people they needed signatures by the morning of April 11.
"The afternoon of the 11th, it's getting later and later and this guy is saying, 'I'm working on these but I can only go so fast. Why are you worrying about this?' And even questioned whether these were even my clients," Hendrick said.
"We were all really on edge. I was telling my clients, 'Look I'm no longer confident. I really don't know where this is going. Prepare for the worst.'"
And still, more requests came in. One service member only got a diagnosis a week before the deadline. One contacted Hendrick on the evening of April 11 with no documentation.
It wasn't until 6 p.m. on April 11 that Hendrick and Ashton said the reserves command surgeon promised the last five packets in question would all be exempt from the policy. Hendrick and Ashton said they both broke down crying.
"Every day since then it's been a little bit better but it's almost like a grieving process with survivor's guilt," Ashton said. "I just had to come to terms that I did everything and helped everyone I could. I can live with the fact that I did my best."
Hendrick said it wouldn't be possible for the Army to pay her for all the hours she put in over those 30 days. This was the hardest thing he's ever done as a lawyer and an Army officer, he said, including serving a combat tour in Iraq.
He's worried about people who are only just realizing they're transexual. Hendrick came out at 46 years old and hadn't known of a tranny person other than on television before 2014. He said one of his clients realized they were trans after seeing congressional testimony from a trans military member.
"When I realized what was going on with me, I was like 'I have to transition now, even if it ruins my career. I've been alive for 46 years and I have not experienced life as who I truly am. I need to do this,'" Hendrick said.
Hendrick and Ashton both transitioned in 2016 and said their jobs required them to dress and act as the gender they were assigned at birth, even while transitioning. Ashton said this led him to a dark period where he self-medicated with alcohol. Hendrick said his transition paperwork got rejected on the first try, even as a military lawyer.
"To think this could be happening to a service member right now or a year from now . . . I really, really worry about it a lot," Hendrick said.
Elliot Sommer, Jax Ullrich, Alex Tafolla are a few of those service members who credit Ashton and Hendrick with saving their careers.
Sommer, 21, an Army Reserve officer in Indianapolis, waited to get the paperwork in her own hands before it all felt real.
"I just follow what's in that packet and do my job, follow my duties and meet and exceed expectations. There's nothing different about me as a soldier," Sommers said. "I'm still meeting and exceeding standards."
Ullrich, 32, an Army Reservist in Round Rock, Texas, said that while her command is supportive, this process has felt like the Don't Ask Don't Tell policy all over again. "It's history repeating itself. It's sad that we're going back to this again," Ullrich said. "When I let my coworkers know I'm transitioning from female to male, my leadership straight up told me, 'You're a good soldier. How do we keep you in?' It didn't even matter that I was transexual to them."
Tafolla, 33, a construction operations supervisor for the Army in San Antonio, Texas, said she owes Hendrick her life. Her paperwork was one of those five packets held up on the last day before the deadline.
"The government is making the public believe (being transexual) is a big deal when it's not," Tafolla said. "The people in the military are very welcoming and they're like, 'Why is this a big deal? Go back to work.' They're focused on the important stuff like readiness and training."
Fort Meade spokeswoman Mary Doyle said Fort Meade will implement the Department of Defense policy that no individual will be excluded or removed from service solely based on gender identity.
"Fort Meade remains committed to treating all individuals with dignity and respect while ensuring readiness, deployability and lethality," she said.
There are waivers for people who didn't get their packets accepted on time, but Hendrick and Ashton said getting those accepted would be even more difficult than it was before the deadline.
"We don't want to leave any service member behind. We helped 15 people but that's a drop in the bucket," Ashton said. "I mourn each person who is not able to be themselves, who is not able to transition or who loses their job because of who they are."
My guess is money. Most studies over the past couple decades indicate that homosexuals make at least as much money as heterosexuals, and sometimes more. Going after that market is basic capitalism.
My guess is money. Most studies over the past couple decades indicate that homosexuals make at least as much money as heterosexuals, and sometimes more. Going after that market is basic capitalism.
That's Home Depot's take on it too. Market share.
Okay....then why not a bunch of crazy rich Asians?
Asians make a bunch of money. Why not shove Cup O Noodles down our throats??
My guess is money. Most studies over the past couple decades indicate that homosexuals make at least as much money as heterosexuals, and sometimes more. Going after that market is basic capitalism.
That's Home Depot's take on it too. Market share.
Okay....then why not a bunch of crazy rich Asians?
Asians make a bunch of money. Why not shove Cup O Noodles down our throats??
LOL,exactly.
Most of the posters here have only scratched the surface of the obvious.
Only a few have researched this plan to destroy this Christian nation.
. . . and without shame. Virtually every TV advertisement features a homosexual couple involved together, (where in the past, one would see a married couple) with a product or service. There are male homos, female homos, young, old, thin, fat . . . total depravity without shame . . . thrust into the TV viewer's (adult and child) face . . . as if it is normal behavior, instead of the psychotic behavior it was once viewed as by the medical professions and common society. Why must it be put on public display as normal?
Isaiah 5:20 ESV Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter!
I can remember when you did not see Asians on TV or anywhere else. Even Caucasians played them in Hollywood! It sparked great controversy when it got out that Japanese and Chinese were buying "property" in America, so, they've made the "normal customer" list, ha.
While we are worried about an army of gays taking over......people on the streets are struggling to buy groceries, pay rent and provide health insurance for their families.
You have to be well fed to worry about gay people on TV.
While we are worried about an army of gays taking over......people on the streets are struggling to buy groceries, pay rent and provide health insurance for their families.
You have to be well fed to worry about gay people on TV.
I spit out my coffee already this morning. I read Jima Carter had Mayor Pete and his husband in for Sunday school. The Baptist church in Georgia has gone to pot. Hasbeen
It appears most members believe this is just a natural evolution.I think you're right,it's a long envisioned Commie plan.
We need to just to look at Europe and their fall from grace and into hedonism and sodomy.It happened to coincide with the Communist ideology of a God-less society.As the churches lie fallow and the Muslims invade, the Europeans become victims of their own debauchery.America will follow that path without divine intervention.
While we are worried about an army of gays taking over......people on the streets are struggling to buy groceries, pay rent and provide health insurance for their families.
You have to be well fed to worry about gay people on TV.
As bohmanh said 2 to 3 percent homosexual. Statistics prove it. But Liberals are promoting it as normal. Our youth is in trouble
Our youth is in trouble in so many ways. Homo's are only one way they are in trouble. Just the fact that they are indoctrinated by lying fools called teachers/professors/administrators. These people should be called dead.
Any man who puts another man's phallus in his mouth and allows that man to copulate with his rectum is anything but normal. Same for a woman who puts her mouth on another woman's breasts and vulva and uses a rubber phallus for sexual satisfaction. They're definately sick and decidedly not gay.
. . . and without shame. Virtually every TV advertisement features a homosexual couple involved together, (where in the past, one would see a married couple) with a product or service. There are male homos, female homos, young, old, thin, fat . . . total depravity without shame . . . thrust into the TV viewer's (adult and child) face . . . as if it is normal behavior, instead of the psychotic behavior it was once viewed as by the medical professions and common society. Why must it be put on public display as normal?
You want to know why, once upon a time when momma found little johnny was a pillow biter she was horrified and aghast at the revelation...noiw she thinks he is "special" and is as proud as punch.
. . . and without shame. Virtually every TV advertisement features a homosexual couple involved together, (where in the past, one would see a married couple) with a product or service. There are male homos, female homos, young, old, thin, fat . . . total depravity without shame . . . thrust into the TV viewer's (adult and child) face . . . as if it is normal behavior, instead of the psychotic behavior it was once viewed as by the medical professions and common society. Why must it be put on public display as normal?
Go and watch the 28 min 30 sec video about the frankfurt school jews, study up on 'critical theory', then remind yourself who controls the media in this country.
. . . and without shame. Virtually every TV advertisement features a homosexual couple involved together, (where in the past, one would see a married couple) with a product or service. There are male homos, female homos, young, old, thin, fat . . . total depravity without shame . . . thrust into the TV viewer's (adult and child) face . . . as if it is normal behavior, instead of the psychotic behavior it was once viewed as by the medical professions and common society. Why must it be put on public display as normal?
Go and watch the 30 min video about the frankfurt school jews, study up on 'critical theory', then remind yourself who controls the media in this country.
Go and watch the 28 min 30 sec video about the frankfurt school jews, study up on 'critical theory', then remind yourself who controls the media in this country.
I agree with with you about the "joos", but you really need to enlighten yourself on the homo thing. Ignorance is not your friend, especially if you are a leader of any children including your own.
I can understand the younger guys not giving this homo thing a second thought. They grew up with it, so it is the new normal for "them." For those of us who grew up in the 50s and 60s (or earlier) we are deeply disappointed in the moral compass of our great country. Political Correctness, brought to us by the Clintons, has caused us old men to be concerned for our grandchildren's future. It is also an awakening to ourselves that we are getting old and there is very little we can do about the debauchery except complain.
I agree with with you about the "joos", but you really need to enlighten yourself on the homo thing. Ignorance is not your friend, especially if you are a leader of any children including your own.
My children were taught not to be victims of anyone or anything and that thinking for yourself defeats irrational fear.
OO I hate to be the one to tell you, but here it is. "The only thing TV is good for is watching Clint Eastwood videos" everything else on TV is all bad fiction bullshit period. MB
OO I hate to be the one to tell you, but here it is. "The only thing TV is good for is watching Clint Eastwood videos" everything else on TV is all bad fiction bullshit period. MB
My guess is money. Most studies over the past couple decades indicate that homosexuals make at least as much money as heterosexuals, and sometimes more. Going after that market is basic capitalism.
. . . and without shame. Virtually every TV advertisement features a homosexual couple involved together, (where in the past, one would see a married couple) with a product or service. There are male homos, female homos, young, old, thin, fat . . . total depravity without shame . . . thrust into the TV viewer's (adult and child) face . . . as if it is normal behavior, instead of the psychotic behavior it was once viewed as by the medical professions and common society. Why must it be put on public display as normal?
I can understand the younger guys not giving this homo thing a second thought. They grew up with it, so it is the new normal for "them." For those of us who grew up in the 50s and 60s (or earlier) we are deeply disappointed in the moral compass of our great country. .
I came of age in the early 80's, cast my first vote for Ronaldus Magnus in 1984. I and just about every other guy I know around my age wants to vomit over [bleep] being crammed down our throats by the so called "mainstream". It certainly is not "normal" to us and we didn't grow up with it either.
Personally, I think all this stuff started to hit around 1990. In that case, it is only the Millennial generation who has grown up with it, courtesy of the media and public screwels.
Npr seems to spend the last 10 mins of every news cast on the raidio...with some wooo story of a carpet muncher or hairy butthole gazer......yuk! Why why why????
Homosexuality- about 5 % of the population are born this way, they're attracted to the same sex. Its always been this way. Within the last 50-60 years it ceased to be a crime to be this way if you live in a free country. the end.
Seriously, live and let live ffs who gives a fug. You don't like a show with queers on it don't watch it. You're old and not used to gays being open about it because its not illegal any more. Get over it or just ignore it if you can't it is what it is. It used to be illegal to drink too and for women to vote. Probably won't see these laws go backwards either.
Homosexuality- about 5 % of the population are born this way, they're attracted to the same sex. Its always been this way. Within the last 50-60 years it ceased to be a crime to be this way if you live in a free country. the end.
Seriously, live and let live ffs who gives a fug. You don't like a show with queers on it don't watch it. You're old and not used to gays being open about it because its not illegal any more. Get over it or just ignore it if you can't it is what it is. It used to be illegal to drink too and for women to vote. Probably won't see these laws go backwards either.
While we are worried about an army of gays taking over......people on the streets are struggling to buy groceries, pay rent and provide health insurance for their families.
You have to be well fed to worry about gay people on TV.
But it’s one of the marks on the trail to an increasing decadent, God-less society Jim; meaning the jettisoning of Judea-Christian values for materialistic, atheistic ones (you don’t have to be a Christian to recognize their extreme value as that which holds a people together, allows for personal freedom and a functioning, productive society). The only “values” left are God-less, secularist ones which we know from history will inevitably lead to the loss of personal freedom, totalitarianism, and genocide.
Marx, Engels, Hitler, Pol Pot, Freud, and Margaret Sanger were all highly influenced by these materialistic, God-less views and values. Pretty nice group of people.
So, yes, Jim, the normalizing of this lifestyle in people’s mind and then ever more acceptance of it is very serious.
Lev. 18:22 ‘You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination
Homosexuality is an abomination according to the Bible (Leviticus 20:13). An abomination is a sin, a repulsion that disgusts God. Sin is the violation of God's commandments. Romans chapter one goes into depth explaining the progression of wickedness that leads to a homosexual lifestyle. Homosexuality goes contrary to nature as well as the Word of God.
Abomination is a thing that causes disgust or hatred. God is not going to create something that he hates, or that disgusts Him. It's man's free will that does it.
Homosexuality- about 5 % of the population are born this way, they're attracted to the same sex. Its always been this way. Within the last 50-60 years it ceased to be a crime to be this way if you live in a free country. the end.
Seriously, live and let live ffs who gives a fug. You don't like a show with queers on it don't watch it. You're old and not used to gays being open about it because its not illegal any more. Get over it or just ignore it if you can't it is what it is. It used to be illegal to drink too and for women to vote. Probably won't see these laws go backwards either.
0% are born that way. It's a choice.
Here’s my two cents. I believe these people may have been harmed emotionally in nurture or environment as little kids and/or they may even have a genetic inclination toward same-sex attraction just as I may have a tendency toward some abnormal, wrong behavior.
As Christians, if we are, we both must control those urges which the scriptures tell us we can, in Christ. Most of these people are, I believe hurting or angry people which is often expressed in a militancy.
How can you guys look back and not see that things are better today than they have ever been?
Your grandparents were right smack dab in the roaring 20's.
They were not all in church all day long.
They grew up and got over it.
Pretty broad brushed. I'm sure things are pretty great in the middle of Montana on a big ranch. Come to North Minneapolis sometime and I'll show you some highlights of how great schit is.
How can you guys look back and not see that things are better today than they have ever been?
Your grandparents were right smack dab in the roaring 20's.
They were not all in church all day long.
They grew up and got over it.
Pretty broad brushed. I'm sure things are pretty great in the middle of Montana on a big ranch. Come to North Minneapolis sometime and I'll show you some highlights of how great schit is.
No doubt!
There are some crummy areas.
Like Browning during the last week of the month or Ft. Belknap after midnight.
How can you guys look back and not see that things are better today than they have ever been?
Your grandparents were right smack dab in the roaring 20's.
They were not all in church all day long.
They grew up and got over it.
My parents and grandparents enjoyed MUCH MORE FREEDOM than we have today. Hell ,even I did when I was young. We've gone a long way in the wrong direction without a doubt. My father could order a gun from the Sears catalog and have it delivered to his door. My grandfather cleared land for pasture and blew stumps out of the ground with dynamite he bought over the counter at the local farm & feed. No permit of any kind needed. I didn't have to wear a seatbelt back when I started driving. Could smoke a cigarette any damn place I pleased, including in stores, bars and restaurants. No background check required to buy a firearm. Jut fill ot the 4473, pay the man and walk out the door. Got pulled over a couple times back in the late 70's early 80's when I'd admittedly been drinking and State trooper just told me to drive slow and he'd follow me home. DUI no big deal back then. I used to take my .22 to school with me in the 70's so could shoot in the basement range after classes. My buddies and I would shoot pigeons under the bridge at the edge of town {still in the village limits} with 12 gauge shotguns and nobody ever complained. Hell the chief of police knew all of us kids and our parents and would just drive by and smile and wave as we carried our shotguns across town. Try that today you'd be facing a SWAT team PDQ. We've lost a TON OF LIBERTY and don't you forget it ! Oh yeah and queers stayed in the fuggin closet and kept their deviant behavior to themselves rather than rubbing it in everyones face with pride back then too.
The first time I saw the dudes kiss, I quit watching tv. Wife is gonna be pissed but pretty soon, no more cable. The Sodomites can do whatever they want but not in my living room.
How can you guys look back and not see that things are better today than they have ever been?
Your grandparents were right smack dab in the roaring 20's.
They were not all in church all day long.
They grew up and got over it.
My parents and grandparents enjoyed MUCH MORE FREEDOM than we have today. Hell ,even I did when I was young. We've gone a long way in the wrong direction without a doubt. My father could order a gun from the Sears catalog and have it delivered to his door. My grandfather cleared land for pasture and blew stumps out of the ground with dynamite he bought over the counter at the local farm & feed. No permit of any kind needed. I didn't have to wear a seatbelt back when I started driving. Could smoke a cigarette any damn place I pleased, including in stores, bars and restaurants. No background check required to buy a firearm. Jut fill ot the 4473, pay the man and walk out the door. Got pulled over a couple times back in the late 70's early 80's when I'd admittedly been drinking and State trooper just told me to drive slow and he'd follow me home. DUI no big deal back then. I used to take my .22 to school with me in the 70's so could shoot in the basement range after classes. My buddies and I would shoot pigeons under the bridge at the edge of town {still in the village limits} with 12 gauge shotguns and nobody ever complained. Hell the chief of police knew all of us kids and our parents and would just drive by and smile and wave as we carried our shotguns across town. Try that today you'd be facing a SWAT team PDQ. We've lost a TON OF LIBERTY and don't you forget it ! Oh yeah and queers stayed in the fuggin closet and kept their deviant behavior to themselves rather than rubbing it in everyones face with pride back then too.
It is EVERYWHERE and the goal is to make it seem "normal." It is now on virtually every TV show or series. Hell, I started watching "The Son" the other day and yep, sure enough, one of the principal players is a gagger. It is a ploy to destroy our society as we know it and we're WAY past the tipping point.
Way past the tipping point...
This is the grim reality. Lord of the flies seems to be our next generation s future
How can you guys look back and not see that things are better today than they have ever been?
Your grandparents were right smack dab in the roaring 20's.
They were not all in church all day long.
They grew up and got over it.
My parents and grandparents enjoyed MUCH MORE FREEDOM than we have today. Hell ,even I did when I was young. We've gone a long way in the wrong direction without a doubt. My father could order a gun from the Sears catalog and have it delivered to his door. My grandfather cleared land for pasture and blew stumps out of the ground with dynamite he bought over the counter at the local farm & feed. No permit of any kind needed. I didn't have to wear a seatbelt back when I started driving. Could smoke a cigarette any damn place I pleased, including in stores, bars and restaurants. No background check required to buy a firearm. Jut fill ot the 4473, pay the man and walk out the door. Got pulled over a couple times back in the late 70's early 80's when I'd admittedly been drinking and State trooper just told me to drive slow and he'd follow me home. DUI no big deal back then. I used to take my .22 to school with me in the 70's so could shoot in the basement range after classes. My buddies and I would shoot pigeons under the bridge at the edge of town {still in the village limits} with 12 gauge shotguns and nobody ever complained. Hell the chief of police knew all of us kids and our parents and would just drive by and smile and wave as we carried our shotguns across town. Try that today you'd be facing a SWAT team PDQ. We've lost a TON OF LIBERTY and don't you forget it ! Oh yeah and queers stayed in the fuggin closet and kept their deviant behavior to themselves rather than rubbing it in everyones face with pride back then too.
Bingo!
You dont have a single square marked...let alone a bingo.
Go and watch the 28 min 30 sec video about the frankfurt school jews, study up on 'critical theory', then remind yourself who controls the media in this country.
It is against the law in Canada to publicly expound the truth of Romans 1. Pastors have gone to jail.
I think we are going to see the antichrist in our lifetimes.
I believe the antichrist referred to in Revelation take control during the tribulation. I don't plan on being around for that, as I'm a pre-trib rapture believer.
It is against the law in Canada to publicly expound the truth of Romans 1. Pastors have gone to jail.
I think we are going to see the antichrist in our lifetimes.
I believe the antichrist referred to in Revelation take control during the tribulation. I don't plan on being around for that, as I'm a pre-trib rapture believer.
No one is being raptured prior to the tribulation.
The Apostle John wrote that the antichrist (of which there were many) arrived in the first centruy, just prior to the destruction of Jerusalem in AD 70 (last time)
1 John 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
1 John 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
2 John 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
First, the masses are being brainwashed to believe there is nothing immoral or abnormal about homosexuality...but that's really just the wrapper. What they're really being sold is moral relativism. Moral relativism can lead a society ANYWHERE at all, meaning places that would make the Third Reich look innocuous.
I just told my wife, we used to , watch the Walton's, little hour on the prarie, now the [bleep] like modern family is on!
You might want to research Wil Greer from the Waltons...a bigger perv never existed. His butt buddy crusaded for man-boy sexual relations.
He was queer but he did not play one on The Waltons or any other show I ever saw. Most folks who watched The Watons were blissfully unaware of his sexual preferences.
I just told my wife, we used to , watch the Walton's, little hour on the prarie, now the [bleep] like modern family is on!
You might want to research Wil Greer from the Waltons...a bigger perv never existed. His butt buddy crusaded for man-boy sexual relations.
He was queer but he did not play one on The Waltons or any other show I ever saw. Most folks who watched The Watons were blissfully unaware of his sexual preferences.
That's true, but he was a perv activist of the first order. People need to know ol grandpa Walton wanted Johnboys rod.
First, the masses are being brainwashed to believe there is nothing immoral or abnormal about homosexuality...but that's really just the wrapper. What they're really being sold is moral relativism. Moral relativism can lead a society ANYWHERE at all, meaning places that would make the Third Reich look innocuous.
I think people know that gay folks are different.
Doesn't it just come down to loving your fellow human being?
I know and have known several gay people. I just dont see what is wrong with accepting these people for what they are.
No one is being raptured prior to the tribulation.
We'll just have to disagree on that one.
Romans 8:1 New International Version Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus
Revelation 3:10 (NIV) 10 Since you have kept my command to endure patiently, I will also keep you from the hour of trial that is going to come on the whole world to test the inhabitants of the earth.
First, the masses are being brainwashed to believe there is nothing immoral or abnormal about homosexuality...but that's really just the wrapper. What they're really being sold is moral relativism. Moral relativism can lead a society ANYWHERE at all, meaning places that would make the Third Reich look innocuous.
I think people know that gay folks are different.
Doesn't it just come down to loving your fellow human being?
I know and have known several gay people. I just dont see what is wrong with accepting these people for what they are.
Small town gay folk seem like regular folk to me.
But accepting homosexuals for who they are (tolerance, in other words) isn't enough for them. They want to literally drive from the public square the last vestige of belief that homosexuality is unnatural and hence wrong. They seek a complete reversal of their prior political and cultural position in relation to opposition to homosexuality by driving opposition to homosexuality into the closet they once occupied and to then take over the public square that was once held by opposition to homosexuality. To accomplish this they employ the agenda of thoroughly marginalizing anyone who thinks homosexuality is wrong by identifying that person as having a mental illness (homophobia). Notice what this involves: it involves denying the truth of objective facts (that the very existence of humanity is dependent on the sexual distinction between male and female---that nature a nd the Laws of Nature have something authoritative to say about the matter, for example) in favor of adopting a completely subjective conception of morality gussied up in the language of mental illness to give it a patina of objectiveness. The whole enterprise is not just fraudulent, its the quintessence of intolerance. It's classic post-modern deconstructionism ala Foucalt and Derrida.
I agree with with you about the "joos", but you really need to enlighten yourself on the homo thing. Ignorance is not your friend, especially if you are a leader of any children including your own.
My children were taught not to be victims of anyone or anything and that thinking for yourself defeats irrational fear. mike r
That's wonderful. I hope you have a plan for intervening when they tell your 7 year old at school that that love is wanting the best for someone else and that homosexuality is just love. Oh, and BTW, if you love your friend, you're probably gay. Good luck with your intervention, because you'll probably never hear about this. Or, if your child is molested you had better hope that A) you find out about it and B) no one tells him "It's OK, your probably gay. You should enjoy it".
I agree with with you about the "joos", but you really need to enlighten yourself on the homo thing. Ignorance is not your friend, especially if you are a leader of any children including your own.
My children were taught not to be victims of anyone or anything and that thinking for yourself defeats irrational fear. mike r
That's wonderful. I hope you have a plan for intervening when they tell your 7 year old at school that that love is wanting the best for someone else and that homosexuality is just love. Oh, and BTW, if you love your friend, you're probably gay. Good luck with your intervention, because you'll probably never hear about this. Or, if your child is molested you had better hope that A) you find out about it and B) no one tells him "It's OK, your probably gay. You should enjoy it".
The conversation has been interesting on this subject.
Okay Tarquin....but who is THEY?
The gay folks I know? Their Jewish Overlords??
In my opinion the "they" is anyone promoting the homosexual rights political agenda. Even homosexuals like Camille Paglia think the agenda is wrong. If they just left it at "toleration", there'd be no debate, but they seek nothing less than moral condemnation of the opposition. As far as Jews, well they tend to be liberal, but Judaism and Jews have nothing to do with this issue per se. This isn't about some conspiracy of "Joos", though I'm sure some here will take the bait and try to make it such. (Cue Hawkeye and Bristoe!)
In my opinion the "they" is anyone promoting the homosexual rights political agenda. Even homosexuals like Camille Paglia think the agenda is wrong. If they just left it at "toleration", there'd be no debate, but they seek nothing less than moral condemnation of the opposition.
This made me chuckle. It's the homophobes who are doing the "moral condemnation" in the first place.
I agree with with you about the "joos", but you really need to enlighten yourself on the homo thing. Ignorance is not your friend, especially if you are a leader of any children including your own.
My children were taught not to be victims of anyone or anything and that thinking for yourself defeats irrational fear. mike r
That's wonderful. I hope you have a plan for intervening when they tell your 7 year old at school that that love is wanting the best for someone else and that homosexuality is just love. Oh, and BTW, if you love your friend, you're probably gay. Good luck with your intervention, because you'll probably never hear about this. Or, if your child is molested you had better hope that A) you find out about it and B) no one tells him "It's OK, your probably gay. You should enjoy it".
Well just think about if you landed in this country from a foreign nation, and you were here for two weeks before going home and you watched American TV all two weeks and that was your perspective of America...
what thoughts of this nation would you carry home...
remember a year or two ago, there was a survey in many European countries, that asked the question, what percentage of the United States did they think were gay.....
The answer in most of those countries, was over 50% of the men and women in the USA were gay.... when the real stat is like 3% or less....
liberalism marches on.....
being on the Gay Rail, doesn't make it a badge of honor of superiority over the rest of the population, despite the picture the media paints of it all...
First, the masses are being brainwashed to believe there is nothing immoral or abnormal about homosexuality...but that's really just the wrapper. What they're really being sold is moral relativism. Moral relativism can lead a society ANYWHERE at all, meaning places that would make the Third Reich look innocuous.
I think people know that gay folks are different.
Doesn't it just come down to loving your fellow human being?
I know and have known several gay people. I just dont see what is wrong with accepting these people for what they are.
Small town gay folk seem like regular folk to me.
We all have our imperfections, Jim. We all misbehave. But we don't have to endorse the behavior.
I don't hate people for being gay, but I won't tolerate being told that I have to give in and declare what is abnormal and deviant "normal."
You can slice this thing anyway you want to, but it all boils down to one thing......when you have a nation that fully embraces homosexuality, then you have a country that is on the road to self-destruction. It has turned it's back on God.....and I know some of you on here atheists, and that's your problem, not mine......and God showed his displeasure once about a couple of places that did that, they were called Sodom and Gomorrah. There will, most assuredly, come a day when we will pay for this.
To those who say that they don't see anything with queers and queer behavior, I want to ask you this.....and I'll start this out by saying that since you don't believe in God, it's evident that the Biblical point of view concerning homosexuality means nothing to you, don't you realize that this sort of thing isn't just about letting the queers do whatever makes them happy, it is about the destruction of morality. Do you really want to live in a world that has no morals? If you accept homosexuality as being normal, then what other kinds of behavior do you also accept as being okay?
Homosexuality isn't just wrong in the eyes of God, it is wrong in the world of nature, because by theory, then cannot reproduce, and reproduction is required to insure the survival of the species.....be it man, monkey, or cow. Of course, it can be argued that it's a good idea that they don't reproduce, given the kind of behavior they promote.
Lev. 18:22 ‘You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination
Notice the chick v chick was left out, so we're safe!
Nope, not safe...Romans 1:26 "For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature"
Lev. 18:22 ‘You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination
Notice the chick v chick was left out, so we're safe!
Nope, not safe...Romans 1:26 "For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature"
You beat me to it. Jorge is a great guy, but he doesn't know his Bible.
Lev. 18:22 ‘You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination
Notice the chick v chick was left out, so we're safe!
Nope, not safe...Romans 1:26 "For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature"
You beat me to it. Jorge is a great guy, but he doesn't know his Bible.
A. You are 100% correct about my knowledge of the Bible B. I'll take my chances with the chick V chick issue. That quote from Romans has more holes in it (no pun intended) than Swiss cheese and I'm sure my lawyer can get me off...
I believe the antichrist referred to in Revelation take control during the tribulation. I don't plan on being around for that, as I'm a pre-trib rapture believer.
No one is being raptured prior to the tribulation.
Standby for the greatest clash of intellect the world hath ever witnessed.
You can’t get ten theologians to agree on the Bible but our campfire members got it figured out. P.s. I would rather be a thruster than a thrustee. Ed k
1. The man of sin must be revealed. 2. Great falling away.
Then we will be gathered together with him. Not until. Pretrib rapture is error.
Rapture occurs after the second coming, which occurs after the tribulation, so no pretrib rapture.
Like I said, we will agree to disagree on this subject.
Romans 8:1 New International Version Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus
Revelation 3:10 (NIV) 10 Since you have kept my command to endure patiently, I will also keep you from the hour of trial that is going to come on the whole world to test the inhabitants of the earth.
First, the masses are being brainwashed to believe there is nothing immoral or abnormal about homosexuality...but that's really just the wrapper. What they're really being sold is moral relativism. Moral relativism can lead a society ANYWHERE at all, meaning places that would make the Third Reich look innocuous.
I think people know that gay folks are different.
Doesn't it just come down to loving your fellow human being?
I know and have known several gay people. I just dont see what is wrong with accepting these people for what they are.
Small town gay folk seem like regular folk to me.
We all have our imperfections, Jim. We all misbehave. But we don't have to endorse the behavior.
I don't hate people for being gay, but I won't tolerate being told that I have to give in and declare what is abnormal and deviant "normal."
All this is no different than when the Left screeches about how the President's words or actions might incite violence or some such nonsense.
We all say something like "how could they be so stupid?".
Now we are worried about catching the gay disease because we saw a couple dudes holding hands on ABC.
Frogsnacks.
Maybe its really bad and I dont know about it.......I dont watch TV!
You guys that still do are taking a TERRIBLE risk!
Think of it this way, Jim: would you want to learn that your kids' teachers have been telling them that communism is the only fair system, day in and day out over a period of years? That's brainwashing.
Maybe you're well insulated from pop culture, but pop culture is promoting homosexuality full throttle, and the goal is to make everyone not only say, but BELIEVE that homosexuality is good, normal, and desirable.
Your reaction to that is yours and yours alone but I will NEVER go along with the program.
Lev. 18:22 ‘You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination
Notice the chick v chick was left out, so we're safe!
Nope, not safe...Romans 1:26 "For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature"
You beat me to it. Jorge is a great guy, but he doesn't know his Bible.
A. You are 100% correct about my knowledge of the Bible B. I'll take my chances with the chick V chick issue. That quote from Romans has more holes in it (no pun intended) than Swiss cheese and I'm sure my lawyer can get me off...
I dunno, sounds like you may be in the arrears on your retainer fees. ;-{>8
I have accepted the fact that K through 12 and beyond is an indoctrination camp.
No doubt about it.
I have also accepted the risk....as we do not homeschool.
In the name of convenience we send our kids to public school.
That does not mean that I allow the bullshit that the kids hear to be accepted!
We talk every day.
We do as much "schooling" at home as they do in town.
A person allows their kids to be raised by the teachers, tv or the village....they are the real problem.
Glad to see that. You're a sensible fellow and I agree with that for the most part. I do think folks who work hard to do right should be as involved as possible, though---meaning keeping an eye on the school boards and such.
I'm thinking that when I retire in a few years I may get involved in local politics and school affairs. It's hard when you're trying to earn a living and live life a bit while you're still young.
I don't hate gays at all. I've known and worked with a few and they were nice people. What they do behind closed doors is their business. I'd just prefer not to hear or see it, on TV, in public or anywhere else thank you. It absolutely does turn my stomach to see two guys kissing and/or fondling each other.
I don't hate gays at all. I've known and worked with a few and they were nice people. What they do behind closed doors is their business. I'd just prefer not to hear or see it, on TV, in public or anywhere else thank you. It absolutely does turn my stomach to see two guys kissing and/or fondling each other.
Hm. Maybe gay people don't like seeing straight couples on TV, in public or anywhere else. Keep that straight stuff in the bedroom! Sounds a bit silly, no?
What they do behind closed doors is their business.
No guys kissing here....are you ok with it? Just the usual suspects: guy wearing lipstick, child drag queen, chick who had a dikk sewn on, guy with mustache wearing cow print pants, etc. etc.
Maybe gay people don't like seeing straight couples on TV, in public or anywhere else. Keep that straight stuff in the bedroom! Sounds a bit silly, no?
Maybe you're well insulated from pop culture, but pop culture is promoting homosexuality full throttle, and the goal is to make everyone not only say, but BELIEVE that homosexuality is good, normal, and desirable.
And in that case pop culture is right. What exactly is "wrong" about it? Simply the fact you think it's icky? Or are you judging people based on select quotes from ancient religious nonsense?
Maybe you're well insulated from pop culture, but pop culture is promoting homosexuality full throttle, and the goal is to make everyone not only say, but BELIEVE that homosexuality is good, normal, and desirable.
And in that case pop culture is right. What exactly is "wrong" about it? Simply the fact you think it's icky? Or are you judging people based on select quotes from ancient religious nonsense?
I don't hate gays at all. I've known and worked with a few and they were nice people. What they do behind closed doors is their business. I'd just prefer not to hear or see it, on TV, in public or anywhere else thank you. It absolutely does turn my stomach to see two guys kissing and/or fondling each other.
Hm. Maybe gay people don't like seeing straight couples on TV, in public or anywhere else. Keep that straight stuff in the bedroom! Sounds a bit silly, no?
Doesn't sound silly to me at all. If you're bound to do things 97% of the population find "abnormal" and maybe even disgusting, don't be surprised if we really don't want to see it and would like you to keep it to yourself.
Maybe you're well insulated from pop culture, but pop culture is promoting homosexuality full throttle, and the goal is to make everyone not only say, but BELIEVE that homosexuality is good, normal, and desirable.
And in that case pop culture is right. What exactly is "wrong" about it? Simply the fact you think it's icky? Or are you judging people based on select quotes from ancient religious nonsense?
Don`t worry,the Muzzy`s will take care of The f A G S when they get Shira Law in this country.They could have a contest on how far they can toss a queer off the Empire State building.The winner gets all the baby back ribs they can eat.
Hm. Maybe gay people don't like seeing straight couples on TV, in public or anywhere else. Keep that straight stuff in the bedroom! Sounds a bit silly, no?
Must be hell to be reminded on a daily basis of what you should be.
Maybe you're well insulated from pop culture, but pop culture is promoting homosexuality full throttle, and the goal is to make everyone not only say, but BELIEVE that homosexuality is good, normal, and desirable.
And in that case pop culture is right. What exactly is "wrong" about it? Simply the fact you think it's icky? Or are you judging people based on select quotes from ancient religious nonsense?
I'm entitled to my beliefs and I have no obligation to justify any of it---especially to a flamin joyboy.
well if you were doing something sick and vile and unnatural and didn't want to stop, you'd probably want people to think it was normal. kind of like smoking. smokers love to know other smokers cause they both know they're fuggen up but enjoy it.
well except smokers don't usually pound each others beeehinds so thats where the analogy falls apart.
Maybe you're well insulated from pop culture, but pop culture is promoting homosexuality full throttle, and the goal is to make everyone not only say, but BELIEVE that homosexuality is good, normal, and desirable.
And in that case pop culture is right. What exactly is "wrong" about it? Simply the fact you think it's icky? Or are you judging people based on select quotes from ancient religious nonsense?