https://www.wkbw.com/news/local-news/two-adults-and-a-child-killed-in-wyoming-county-dwi-crash

Pretty common. About every other month there is someone driving the wrong way on I-40 near ABQ. Usually a head on crash killing the whole family & the drunk driver lives. Usually it's he's 4 or 5 DWI.

Drunk Driving is a victimless crime and a huge money maker for LEO, everyone knows that!


Worthless fuqk wiped out 3 innocents, should be the death penalty.

Driving with Indians.

But seriously, it always seems the drunk survives and that is unfortunate.

This.

Trivia question; if you have an Indian, black and a Mexican all in the same car, who is driving?








A cop...

Hahaha!

Dang Cuz.

Probably true, because they don’t like each other.

I remember that thread where Steelhead was making his case for the first sentence.

Monday morning chuckle,,,

Not to make light of this issue,

It's ironic, drunks will ramble on about DWIlaws being unfair, a money maker, and too tough.
But it's not uncommon to see people with3,4,5 Day's.
Obviously the punishment isn't high enough, I work with a few guys who do it regularly.

And they feel it's ok, as long as they stick to the back roads.
The Pa rural backroads,
The ones that are one big lane wide, no cuts, no fill, just up down and around.
But you know, no cops, so it's fine.

Pfhuk the family they kill.

About 5 miles from my house....
Go by that corner very often .

After almost losing my wife and kids. Not to.mention 2. And a half years of specialists appts, surgery MRIs and PT for a hip injury caused by the accident..I'll throat punch a MFr that says that

We had one of those a few years ago on US 380 where one of the innocents was killed and the other crippled for life. The drunk driver was by himself and he was also killed.... in his County vehicle. He was the County Sheriff.

I remember that.

It's not possible to calculate the number of drunk people not having accidents.

Curdog,
Surprising to hear the sherf was drunk.
Not surprised he was drunk,
just surprised it was released.

Curdog,

Have you ever been charged with DUI?

Too close to home

How many of those guys at your work have killed a family?

Chalking that up to skill, or luck of the draw?

I'm just stating a fact.

How many people on the road are drunk?

How many are operating on less than four hours of sleep?

How many are sobbing their eyes out?

How many are texting their boyfriend?

How many are on Ambien?

Xanax?

Prozac?

Marijuana?

Quit Ridlin (sp?)after 8 years?

Quit Adderall(sp?) after four weeks?

Been said many times in the past on this very site.

After you throat punch them I'll cut their nuts off.

TFF.

https://www.madd.org/donate-now/don...HK3JDbZUwzoR8BukKla8jdUj_-QaAlVOEALw_wcB

How many are Asian?

Me too.

Agreed, but I'll nitpick a bit and ask to substitute "impaired" for " drunk".

Raughing here.

Meaning legally drunk.

Will blow over the limit.

Interstates around Chicago. 2am. How many are over the legal limit?

No, meaning 'impaired'.............due to the reasoning you listed above.
Impairment via controlled substances (or the 'down side of said substances).
Fatigue
Huffing
Etc, etc, etc.

I reserve 'drunk ' for booze.

As I said..........nitpicking.

George

Ah.

I'm tracking now.

When I wrote "drunk" I was referring to alcohol.

“Drunk driving is a 100% preventable crime“.....

So is being stupid, but “Bob’s your Uncle”..
I will say that 80 to 90% of the local country bars around here have closed in the last 25 years.
The local sheriffs started just parking next door, and pick them off like fish in a barrel

Sounds like a great place to live.

If we all send them money will drunk driving stop?

Another liberal run never ending suckhole.

That would get a visit to the commissioners here.

Yet look at the ones that drive after smoking pot.

Oops! There's that pesky double standard again.

That's funny right there, I dont care who you are!

this is what I find ironic with all this legalized marijuana stuff anymore and just don't quite get that. Well I understand legitimate medical needs. But the recreational part I do not get. How do you measure a person's impairment alongside the road.

That's the idea.

You don't.

If it saves one life.

I worked with both the DUI driver and passenger in his vehicle at the time of the wreck for a lot of years.

https://www.kentuckynewera.com/web/news/article_8e139000-9483-11e1-8b41-001a4bcf887a.html



https://www.14news.com/story/19882094/williams-sentenced/

"Man sentenced in DUI wreck that killed firefighter, passenger"

None yet!

But, if someone went downtown and fired a shot for every time they have driven drunk,
that person would be a no good SOB.

And that's how I see a drunk driver.
Loaded gun, town center, spinning a circle with his eys closed.
Cracking off rounds.

I actually had a conversation with a business owner in a local mining town about this.

"I have to go to the township supervisors meeting tonight".

"Why"

"They hired a new cop, he has been marking tires in the clubs. Then watching for the cars
that are at the club a long time. Everyone's getting DWI's, and it has to stop. I know they
can't just fire him, but...."

Ok.

Have you ever driven over the legal limit?

He should do that outside the gun show to make sure nobody bought a gun illegally.

If it saves one life.

Driving while intoxicated and/or under the influence of controlled drugs could also be comparable to owning a Pit Bull(s).

Some may get away with it for years or even forever without causing harm to anyone or anything else.
For some it's just a matter of when - not if.
And for some it occurs the first time out.

Basically, both are still a crap-shoot.

As always, YMMV.

Yep. My uncle was killed several years ago by a drunk driver while riding his Harley. Worst part is he did 2 tours in Saudi/Iraq back in the 90's and was a reserve cop here in Louisiana but got killed on a leisurely motorcycle ride by a 25y/o drunk driver. Kid was sentenced to 5 years and only server about 60% of his sentence. He's now walking around scott free and probably still drunk driving!

Local guy a few years ago had a couple of beers then rode his Harley. He was one block from a stop light so speed was not a factor. A guy turned left in front of him causing a fatal accident. Left turner didn't even get a ticket and it was his fault.
If that was opposite the left turner would have gone to prison.

WTF is fair about that?

Exactly. Where's the outrage?

Pregnant teen is second person to die following van crash in southwestern Indiana

Allen arraigned, admits to marijuana use

James Allen sentenced in fatal van crash

We need more checkpoints.

I fugging hate checkpoints of all kinds.




Screw em.

I wanna know if curdog ever got him a DUI.

Jim,

The government knows what they’re doing.

Deflave,
Over the legal limit?


If I was checked every time I ever drove, maybe once.

I got my CDL 3 months after I turned 21.
I have to meet stricter standards than normal,
And would have lost my livelihood along with the fines.


But, it's just not necessary, either don't drink or don't drive.
Really simple stuff here.

I’m just trying to understand what we should do with all those people that have attempted it and never had a problem.

new proposal to place an alert in all new cars to make sure everyone including the sleeping toddlers have exited.

could easily do the same with alcohol, meth, cocaine detectors.

the automobile industry enables the bad drivers.

the gov't sells licenses to drive.

it's a revenue source.

A couple beers..........
After the collision was investigated, what did the Harley rider’s blood results look like?
I can only tell you that if everything is as you say, the driver turning left would have been charged regardless. Of course, the investigation could have revealed a number of contributing factors.

And a huge revenue source for defense lawyers, not to mention a dependable regular revenue source for bail bondsmen, tow truck owners, funeral homes, etc.

Old [bleep] have done the wrong way chit at night and killed a couple of my kids friends (two diff accidents). The dead were buckled up too. Think in one the guilty driver got smoked. Bummer about this threads wreck. But gotta wonder why the folks didnt have proper safety seats for the kids or wear belts themselves.

It's called luck.
I never drove drunk,
But I used to drive fast, very fast.
Not, how fast can I go on this straight 4 lane.
But, hold it to the floor for miles on our narrow secondary roads.
Or, sliding around corners on 1 1/2 lane country roads.

The fact that I never wrecked a car or hurt anyone doesn't mean schidt.
Just that skill, luck, and the good Lord came together.

If I was driving like that today, I deserve the fines.
Heck, I drive 10+ over on the 4 lane to work.

And, I have earned any fine I might be given.


Why the excuses for someone who choses to drive when their abilities are impared?

Non drunk drivers kill people all the damn time.
Safety belts are a personal choice IMHO,
But you don't make those choices for the kids.
Proper safety gear for them.
Always.

Some dumbass rolled his SUV, ejected 2 kids and the baby momma (she holding one).
Tragic?
The media even tried to blow it as such, and the PD said they proly wouldn't press charges for not buckling the kiddos.
Great , injuries and or PTSD, bet the %$$#@ can't work and get disability.
Their kids too.

Chicago imports they were.

I don't think they should stop with alcohol. I would like to see them go after people with too high or too low blood sugar levels while driving. Over 150 or under 50, slap the cuffs on them.

Saw a headstone at the National Cemetery at Camp White yesterday, where a Veteran and his wife and 3 sons were all buried together back in 1988....

entire family got wiped out courtesy of a drunk driver...


Kid I went to school with in England, was living with his older sister and her husband ( who was in the Air Force...) he was from Alabama....mom dad and his 7 brothers and sisters were all killed by a drunk driver..
He wasn't in the car at the time...

Never had alcoholic problems... but a good reason I don't really drink alcohol....

If there is anything that Minnesota has done right, it was determining that DUI checkpoints are unconstitutional.

I’m not making excuses for anything. I’m askin if you ever drove over the legal limit and what you think the penalty should be.

And if you’ve never driven over the legal limit, how do you know it’s dangerous?

Also there are a number of members here with DUI’s and I’m wondering what you think their punishment should be.

The one time i got caught was when i was 17, side swiped two cars and hit a chain link fence. I got a 250 dollar fine and 6 months probation, where all i had to do was write them a letter each month. it only went on my record as negligent collision and property damage. Dry county. 1980

There ya go.

What should have happened to Roger?

He should have had is feet bound permanently so he couldn't drive again.

I live in small-town Kentucky. A few years ago, a church busload of kids went to King's Island amusement park in Cincinnatti. On the way home, a drunk driver, going the wrong way on I-71, hit the bus head on, and killed 27 kids, including the daughter of my insurance agent. It's still a REAL tender sore spot for the parents and town. A local steak joint has another bus (painted to match the one that burned) in it's parking lot, to remind folks not to drink and drive.

Larry Mahoney, the drunk that killed those kids, got out of prison awhile back. Dunno whatever happened to him, and I want to keep it that way.

Here’s another one in Florida on Saturday. Drunk stripper runs down 3 teens waiting on bus

Florida driver who killed 3 teens was exotic dancer with suspended license, smelled of alcohol: report

https://www.foxnews.com/us/florida-...pended-license-smelled-of-alcohol-report

Schit man, based on the pics I'd think she would be nominated for a Campfire award.

Gotta see stripper first before I pass judgement

A blind drunk ran up behind me on a 2 lane US highway near here yesterday. I was watching him in my rear view mirror and he was all over the road. He pulled out to pass me and I moved over and hit the brakes so he could get past me as quick as possible. An oncoming car had to move over and slow down also.

He zoomed off down the highway swerving here and there after he got past me,...tossed a tall boy beer can out the window.

I don't like to get in people's business,...but if I had had my phone on me I would have called him in. I was afraid he was going to kill somebody.

I have never had a dui
never had a wreck
never been arrested
never had a speeding ticket

Guess I was miraculously pretty goddamm lucky....

The beautiful young lady that was killed in this DUI story was one of identical twin daughters of long time friends of ours. I have photos of her and her twin sister at our grand kids birthday parties back when they were all little tykes. I can't begin to imagine what it would be like to lose an identical twin sibling and even more so at that early of an age.

Teen facing murder charge in deadly wreck pleads not guilty




McMain sentenced to 10 years in 2016 DUI fatal



The young DUI driver's prison "offender page":

http://kool.corrections.ky.gov/KOOL/Details/472680

There sure are a lot of democrats on here that believe laws will keep them safe. Based on the number of people in this country and shear percentages there will always be people driving that shouldn’t be driving. I’ve ridden with drunk drivers that drove fine and I’ve ridden with sober drivers that had nofucking business driving a vacuum let alone a vehicle.

I’ve been on wrecks caused by drunk drivers, hypoglycemics, hyperglycemics, hypotension, hypertension, heart problems, cancer, etc. I’ve also been on a lot of wrecks caused by sober drivers being idiots.

DUI laws are meant to suck suck you into law system’s meat grinder thereby generating huge revenue. I don’t drink hardly at all anymore and I know when I’ve had too many to drive so it’s not something that will affect me. It’s not unlike the “War on Drugs”, MADD is a political pandering movement of emotional stupidity.

he got 10 years? out in what, 3 or 4? not near enough IMO for a 3rd offense that killed someone

..........+1..... Local governments love DWI. It's an enormous revenue stream not only for them but for the attorneys, towing outfits, etc. Around here at least you gotta be nuts to drink and drive. You get caught and they will take you to the cleaners financially. The towing fees are astronomical and you can't get your vehicle back any time soon and the storage fees border on criminal. Not to mention all the lawyers drooling to drain you financially. But I guess it will make some folks think twice about drinking & driving. But not everyone. My favorite question is what are they gonna do for money if self driving cars take over the roads ? How they gonna replace that huge cash cow ? I'm sure they'll come up with something.

How'd you determine he was blind and drunk?

I’ve wondered that very thing 22250. Self driving cars will have a major impact on all forms of government just in the reduction of fuel taxes alone. This state’s Einstein’s just realized that “green energy” means less fuel taxes so they’re looking at imposing a $1000 or 2000 dollar tax or assessment or levy or whatever they call it on hybrid vehicles. 😂

Yeah. And everyone on the Campfire thinks it's a great idea.

Illinois has proposed the same thing.

More taxes and more laws and more government intervention and more regulation are never good for freedom. The government is scrambling to ruin businesses like Uber because they aren’t getting a big enough cut. It’s shameful that anyone supports more government.

Revenue stream might be flowing a little flat because they are toying with the Idea of lowering the BAC to .06

Of course.

And then .05

.04

.02

.0Ever heard grandpa tell stories about being able to drink at a restaurant?!?!??!??

I’m not making excuses for anything. I’m askin if you ever drove over the legal limit and what you think the penalty should be.

And if you’ve never driven over the legal limit, how do you know it’s dangerous?

Also there are a number of members here with DUI’s and I’m wondering what you think their punishment should be.
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Penalties. That's a good question.
Considering the number of first timers caught, they are probably not high enough.
I do like the Scandinavian idea for fines.
They want them to hurt.
So, they are based on income or wealth. Sometimes they get way, way expensive.

A real problem is the repeat offenders.
When you have nothing but an alcohol problem and a car, how do we keep
them off the roads.

I've had two old friends commit suicide before reporting to prison on 3rd DWI charges.
Neither hurt anyone.
Does that make it ok? Or do we wait until people are dead before we punish them?


Honestly, I have little use for anyone so self centered as to put others at increased risk
just because they can't enjoy themselves without getting buzzed.

But, I have no idea how we can actually stop it.
It's a personal responsibility thing. And if someone doesn't have the internal
moral compass, society really can't change that.

And you are right In my not understanding.
I do not like to get buzzed.
Only been drunk once.
I don't like that feeling that I am not in control of things, like when I'm sober.
And honestly, about 3 drinks are enough for me to get there.
You wouldn't see it, but I can tell things are off a bit.

Tragic...but it’s also a tragedy that a guy at a bar who has three beers and hurts no one gets his life messed up so a county can collect a boat load of money.

Tail wagging the dog

Not all who drink are irresponsible drunks

The way to handle this stuff is not to punish everyone...it’s much like the 2nd amendment and mass shooters

Asking someone who doesn’t drink about responsible DWI laws is like asking Rosie O’Donnell about responsible gun laws.

Truth.

So, you haven't read through this thread?

Somebody should cross reference state dui laws and enforcement with states with the most vehicular deaths.

I think like gun laws you’d come to learn strict laws don’t prevent much of anything.

They often prevent a lack of funding...

that's a Billings joke, right?

Hypertension is dangerous, anybody caught driving with blood pressure over 140/80 should sit in jail also. They could have a stroke behind the wheel and kill an innocent.

This DWI crap.....

reading more of this thread, brought up two other thoughts and experiences...

First was in the fall of 1990... I was driving in my 4 Runner down old US 52 between Cincinnati and Huntington WVa...( I've posted this on the fire before)....was driving withe a car in front of me and one behind me for 20 or 30 miles... a guarding angel presence was felt in my truck....it suggested I stop... and I did not... for several times of being told by this spirit there.. ( whether you believe in this sort of stuff or not... I experienced it)... something was finally screaming at me to stop and stop now...

I pulled over at an old gas station, off the highway store... used the bathroom and walked around the store, until I had a feeling of being safe.. and was told it was safe to leave....bought a soda, got back on the old US route continuing to head east bound... 4 or 5 miles up the road...( it had just gotten dark).. the traffic came to a stop... in both directions a police car, came past with their lights flashing and stopped in the distance..

I walked up to where they were ( after pulling my truck onto the shoulder, as it seemed we were gong to be there for a while...a west bound drunk in an old 67 Pontiac Bonneville had crossed the line doing 85 or 90 and hit the car that had been in front of me, and the one behind me... of course the drunk survived.... all the people in both cars were killed on scene...

Second one, there was a real pretty nurse who worked with my ex wife at the University of MN.. this gal was good looking enough, besides working at the U of MN Hospital, she traveled doing modeling work.. for her face... doing make up etc.... modeling Bras for her breast size...clothing for her 5/9 frame, jewelry for her hands perfection.. she made quite a bit of money doing modeling, much more than she made at the University of MN Hospital.... she dropped her hours down to part time.. but stayed with nursing as she figured the modeling gig wouldn't last forever...

she and I became pretty good friends, to my wife's irritation....Sue was from Belle Plaine MN....
She had a twin sister..... one Sunday night when they were 14, and it was summer time.. they walked down the highway shoulder to Dairy Queen in Belle Plaine.....hung with some friends for a while....

it was Sunday evening, but the sun was still up.. they got an ice cream cone and were walking home on the shoulder talking like sisters would.. Sue said she heard tires on gravel .... a second later, she heard a woosh and a thump.. the old 53 Buick missed her by inches.. but nailed her sister who was less than arms length away from her.. the Buick was doing about 80 mph.. and was driven by an old guy who had a history of DWIs and had had his license pulled once again....at the time, she had never set foot in a Dairy Queen after that day....due to the awful memory ....


Third... good friend in college, Jimmy Goehs.. he was from Ohio... had worked for a year saving money to buy himself a new VW Bug.. instead of driving the old $50 Beater one he had...his 1972 VW Super Beetle was sitting at a red light on Blue Hill Ave there in Milton MA, on the border with Canton town line...it was 3 days old.. drunk came flying thru the intersection, missing the cars stopped for the light, in the opposite direction.... old early 50s Buick... with Jersey plates....driver had had his D/L pulled in all 6 of the New England states... 7 times in Massachusetts...

Put Jimmy in a coma for 6 months... he never walked again.. brain injury made it like he had had a stroke the day before....Jimmy had been quite the athlete.. he spent the next three years in a bed at a Nursing Home....then silently passed away right around Christmas 1974... 23 years old....

the driver of the car that hit him... he walked away fine....got like 6 months in jail... and was out doing the same thing as soon as he got released.... down somewhere getting drunk again....

I don't have a problem with those who drink... and can handle it responsibly.....and knows better not to drive....those that can't handle it responsibly... and go out driving while schittfaced, and end up killing people... I have little to no sympathy for them....

In Florida it already doesn't matter what your bal is. If it registers above .02 they're going to f*** you.

CDL driver with Hazmat, it's .04.
And it doesn't matter what I'm driving.

If you were blacked out, you really don't know....

Everyone has some anecdotal story about an accident they saw or read about that involved an inebriated driver. And most of the time they're true. Nobody is advocating for being schit faced and driving around town, backroads, or interstate.

But the constant lowering of BAC standards and the absolutely RIDICULOUS laws that require somebody to expose themselves to a breath or blood analysis is just a classic example of the government never being satisfied.

The breathalyzer became the standard because, guess what? A lot of people can drive perfectly fine when they're schitfaced. And the other reason? Some people don't have the equilibrium or depth perception to pass field sobriety tests or drive even when they are stone cold sober. So that's why breathalyzer's have become the standard.

I know a guy that was a cop when DWI was becoming the big new thing. MADD was in full force (descendants of the temperance movement no doubt) so multiple departments had multiple cops perform multiple tasks as each drink was recorded. Might come as a big surprise but a very large percentage of the cops in the room could function just fine (including driving) when they shouldn't have been. Closed track and all that so no danger, but those performing the test made it pretty clear you'd have a hard fugking time determining any of those guys were drunk. From a legal perspective.

Nowadays they have people wear "drunk goggles" when they give these classes and seminars. I've never met a single person that said "Yeah, this is what it looks and feels like when you're drunk." Not even close. Matter of fact, I doubt the person that designed them ever had a drink in their life. Like most people that don't drink, they have been fooled into believing the consumption of alcohol makes you a moronic bumbling idiot that can't even tie their shoes. Which is absurd.

I have a good friend that was stopped in the suburbs of Chicago. "You been drinking? Yada, yada, yada. He refused the breathalyzer (because he had been drinking) and off to jail he goes. $20K in attorney fees later, judge throws the case out. Why? Because the cop gave testimony (first year cop by the way) that the only reason he stopped the driver was because it was so early in the morning and seemed "out of place." But, you still can't refuse a breathalyzer in the state of Illinois. LMAO. So he had to pay to have a breathalyzer installed and had to keep it that way for one year. Now of course everyone will say "Well he shouldn't have been drinking." But nobody can ever demonstrate that he couldn't drive home in the condition he was, and not endanger anyone.

And yes I've seen fatalities caused by drinking so spare me the fugkin' first responder war stories that "changed your perspective." I've seen just as many and probably more, fatalities caused by FLAT FUGKING STUPIDITY than anything else. And I don't see anyone trying to legislate that. But I wish they would.

i drink beer and drive once in a while, i'm not impaired but might be a little over the limit. if i drink liquor i won't drive but i seldom drink it. been pulled over several times for being a little over the speed limit and the officer had no idea i'd been at the lease or fishing and had been drinking beer all day. the dui when i was 17 was because i chugged a bottle of JD on a dare and blacked out, young and dumb. on a long road trip i might drink a beer every hour or two. Just being honest.

Yes.

And my point is, if you were to stop every vehicle leaving the marina, or every vehicle leaving a bar, or every vehicle leaving brunch the day after St. Patty's, your DWI percentages would be through the roof.

But few people seem capable of admitting that while legally impaired, they all make it home just fine.

Trying to rationalize that driving impaired is not a bad thing is....irrational. Operating a vehicle is a pretty complex task and anything that lowers your mental and physical acuity degrades your performance, a simple fact.

Condemning enforcement of laws, blaming govt. overreach and liberals is fatuous and non productive. The fact remains that impaired drivers kill and injure thousands of people every year because of poor impulse control or addiction. I believe that people should have the right to impair themselves at will as long as their actions while impaired effect no one but themselves.

Apparently YMMV


mike r

BS, if you are in a non commercial vehicle it’s .08 like every one else.

To be clear, I'm not rationalizing it. I'm just stating that is prolific all over the country.

The idea that blowing over a .06 is inherently deadly is something I flat don't agree with.

Mmmmm, not so sure about that.

I don't hold any sympathy for drunk drivers, one almost killed my wife, another put my son in the hospital. MT has a big problem with DWI, and there is nothing victimless about it. Just don't, catch a ride, it's not that complicated.

Is that all you got? Go back to Page 1 and start reading there.

You obviously haven't read the thread.

Pretty sure .04 is just when driving a CMV. Can get a 24-hour OOS order for any detectable level
in CMV.

It's been years since I held a CDL so I don't know.

Mine was issued out of IL and I'm pretty sure what you were driving didn't dictate revocation. I'm sure each state is different. I'm going off memory.

huh...

I thought the .04 BAC was for a CDL holder, no matter what they are driving too.

I just googled what the law is in MN and it says .08 when not driving a CMV.

Learn something new everyday.

It’s the same in TX whether you have a CDL or not.

But, TX has a zero limit if you have a License To Carry or CHL and are carrying your handgun.
Any alcohol on your breath and you lose your license. It used to be .08 for that but they changed the law a few years back.

I was wrong on the .04 across the board.
But, any detectable is a summary offense and OOS.

I know a big outfit I drove for had an 8 hour rule after drinking.
And another banned you from drinking when assigned a truck.
Even if you were layed over, or at home.

Patrolling on the back roads is where you find the drunks that blow (test) the highest numbers. The rookie cops are patrolling the main roads but the old cops are on the lonely roads.

kwg

Great post Deflave! I agree with you completely.

I was asked to be part of a group in 1990 that went to Ft. Worden and got drunk for free. We would have a drink, take breathalyzer, field sobriety tests and drive around a closed course in the parking lot.....then repeat it over and over. Back then the BAC legal limit .10, it took me and a couple others quite a few drinks to get there but most of us didn’t start getting sloppy until above.....about .15. We weren’t even barely buzzed at .08 and drove at or above passing standards at .12. The was a fun weekend and I learned a lot. I also finally hooked up with this cute blonde that “locked herself out” of her room....Jody (I hate that name but she was cool).

I’ve known guys that couldn’t, nor would you want them to doshit until their BAC was above a .10.....high functioning drunks, just like the old days when men smoked and drank all day. It’s the continued pussification of America.

Hard to argue with any of that. Good post.

Gee that’s fair.

Besides for causing me a massive migraine, it’s one of the reasons I stopped drinking 25 years ago.

Again, ...Driving while under the influence of alcohol and/or controlled drugs could be compared to owning a Pit Bull(s).

Some may get away with it for years or even forever without causing harm to anyone or anything else.

For others it's just a matter of time --- not if, but when.

And for some the worst happens the very first time out.

So, basically, both are really pretty much alike in that they both are a crap-shoot.

Also again, YMMV.

WWAJD?

I am. What makes a non cdl holder less impaired at .08 than a cdl holder driving their personal vehicle? CDL holder blowing a .05 in a commercial vehicle is toast.

Sue yer ass.

Wrong.

LOL

I won’t touch any amount of alcohol, even a half glass of beer and get behind the wheel of a class 8 truck.

Can blinding be temporary/reversed? Just a thought.

I think the 8-hour rule is Federal. Our company has a 12-hour policy.

Although the BAC is variable, the penalty for the offense will be more severe with the CDL regardless just like many other offenses which will vary by state. Everything is dumbed down to the lowest...

In Pa. if a CDL holder blows a .08, The state will charge them the same penalty a non CDL holder would get if they would blow a 1.6. Two DWIs you will lose your CDL for good.

Are you drunk?

Yes I am.

I don't drink, you stupid f**k.

How many are too old to be on the road ? I’ll take my chances with a drunk vs a blue hair.

Then you should take it up. You're wound a little too tight.

Here’s another:

Houston school bus driver charged with DWI blames it on bad donut

https://www.foxnews.com/us/houston-school-bus-driver-dwi-bad-donut

I wasn’t drunk! It was the donuts. 🤪