Support the Trump Administration in Delisting Wolves in the Lower 48

The Trump Administration has announced it will take executive action to delist wolves in the lower 48 states.

Please take a moment and let him know how important this is to you and that you support his efforts.

The link will take you to Big game forevers letter to the administration.

https://biggameforever.org/

I killed 2 of 'em on the Gakona River in Alaska in 1998.
I'll be in Idaho this winter looking for more.

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About time.

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I'm signed up......

Go Trump 2020...........!

Wolves need to be delisted !

I will have a wolf tag in my pocket when I head to Idaho this October. A hunting buddy saw one last year but couldn’t get a shot. Hopefully he does better this year...

Utah doesn’t have wolves. Just big coyotes and little coyotes...

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LOL, great!

If that de-listing actually happens, a lot more wolves are going to get shot in these parts.

304 views 5 people commented they signed up , wonder how many took the time to sign -- 5% would be my guess .

If they are a problem, why wait for delisting..........just sayin'.

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They can't have my phone number, so no sign! Just saying! I write letters each evening to politicians, this one will be easy!

Wolf populations have only recovered in Minnesota and Wisconsin, yet the Fish and Wildlife Service wants to withdraw protections for wolves even in places where the populations have not yet recovered! Doesn't sound like a good idea to me!

You obviously don't raise livestock.
Even though the "Authorities" say we don't have wolves here - I've seen the tracks, and my wife,BIL, and SIL have seen them.
Any calf taken is over $1K out of my bank account!

Yeah, but look what you have to think with...

You don't know a helluva lot about wolf biology, do you?

Here is a clue- thy are the most prolific predator in the entire world. Ergo, it takes just a single pregnant female to "recover" a population in a matter of several years.

Were have you been. There was only suppose to be 100 +
Wolves in the so called reintroduction now there is 990 by Goverment counts. I bet theres a helluva lot more.

You're coming to Idaho with A wolf tag? As in ONE tag? Don't you know you can buy 5 of them and they're dirt cheap compared to other big game tags? In the north, the season is open year round and 8 months in much of the south. If you find a wolf, likely it won't be alone. You need several of those CHEAP tags so you can take luxurious skins home to your wife and friends. It's the best big game hunting deal that Idaho offers.

[quote=Goosey]Wolf populations have only recovered in Minnesota and Wisconsin, yet the Fish and Wildlife Service wants to withdraw protections for wolves even in places where the populations have not yet recovered! Doesn't sound like a good idea to me


Were spent years trying to eliminate them! Now they’re back! Let’s eliminate them again.

The enviro weenies never in their wildest dreams thought that wolves would become big game animals. Their plan was to use wolves to reduce game numbers to such low levels than hunting would have to be stopped entirely. It backfired on them in many places. In ID, MT, WY, and some other states, the fish and game depts want them kept under control and are willing to work with the feds to have hunting seasons. Obviously, MN, WI, and others don't have the kind of game management that we have in the west.

Exactly , there were only supposed to be 100+ . Anything over that needs to be zapped no Questions asked

takes only a couple minutes........do it

received two confirmations that it was received

I already did it - just saying that the vast majority here won't take to 1-2 minutes it takes to help the cause . Just like paying attention about what is going on in our country - most just let others do all the work - the ' the ballgame is on ' type do-nothings . Never speaking up will someday allow the outlawing of firearms too .

Obviously are just a troll and don't know shyte, Forgot MI so I know you have no clue. We have a problem and they need to be managed through hunting also.

To a liberal, there is no quantity of wolves that they will consider them recovered. They want more and more to decimate the ungulate populations. This is an anti-hunting ploy, nothing more.

Many years ago on predator masters website someone posted some information produced by the the wolf lovers , hunter-haters , gun grabbers . I read the article and it made perfect sense to me , it was probably a think-tank commies that came up with it - just another step towards gun control . Plus they brainwashed thousands of school age & college students that anybody who would kill a wolf is no different than a person who would kill a human .
One person on predator masters commented how all the sudden city boy/girl college kids are all riled up about a wolf , when before they had never it given such things a thought .
The media , schools even some churches are brainwashing operations - bringing up generations of people who hate hunters - gun owners .

Point out that wolves have decimated the big game populations in many areas the lefties will answer 'nature will balance itself out like it always has' hunters & biologist need to shut up and go away .
Per the comment/article on predator masters site - OMG did huge numbers of people get a laugh about the tinfoil hat wearers who actually believe the whole wolf thing was to shut down hunters/outfitters and more brainwashing youth against guns and gun people . That website has a bunch of stupidass people and I believe it's owned by lefties now .

Another example of passing legislation based on emotion rather than common sense. Liberals are all about emotion.

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i signed up, wolves here in Minnesota are a huge problem !

Years ago, I got my hands on a magazine from one of the anti hunting groups. They had an article about how their long range plan was to use large predators to reduce game animal numbers to the point that hunting would have to be eliminated. I thought it was nonsense and threw the magazine away. That was a big mistake as it was proof of what their real agenda was. Since then, they got some of their people into high places in the FWS, Forest Svc., etc. Then came the push to introduce the wolves. It took them a lot of years, but they got the job done. Yes, it most certainly is an anti-hunting thing.
They made mistakes and the wolves got to be game animals in a few states. We almost had a grizzly season last year but they were able to find a federal judge to stop it at the last minute. I doubt we'll ever see a griz season. They learned from their mistakes with the wolves and now they know how to manipulate judges to block it.

I think managing wolves as a big game animal is probably a good idea. Going all hysterical and attempting to eliminate all wolves is probably not. Same with bears, cougars, lynx, wolverines, badgers, eagles and every other predator. I love hunting, I love wilderness, and I love wild things. When I am camping alone, far from anyone, I like to hear the wolves howl, the elk bugle, or the grizzly turning rocks. The experience would be diminished if any one were missing. There is huge amount of BS on both sides of the issue and I suspect it is wise to listen to neither one.
Here, in BC, there is an effort to save the remnants of a mountain caribou herd. As part of this effort, wolves have to be cobtrolled because the herd can tolerate little predation and they are a relatively easy target for the wolves. Now, the caribou herd did not end up in it's current condidtion due to predation by wolves. That was caused by habitat destruction more than anything but now, the wolves are a threat to the remaining herd. Although it is entirely possible it is too little too late, controlling the wolf population in this instance is justified. Controlling predator numbers
is also necessary if we wish to reduce the pendulum swing which is typical of a natural ecosystem and maintain populations of specific prey groups. This is why I think wolves, and other predators, may be treated as game species and managed that way.
By the way, I am also in agreement with allowing landowners and livestock producers to control predators on their own property. I do so and see no reason why anyone should not. On the other hand, rangeland is another matter and there, predators are a game animal. Shooting a predator to protect livestock is, generally, acceptable but is often difficult to define. If a cougar is stalking a foal, there is little doubt. If grizzly is eating berries but looks like he might want a beef steak one day, that's not reason enough.
In the end, I doubt that any federal govt. can manage anything. GD

A lot of good ideas probably don't seem good to you. Is it a good idea to spend millions of taxpayer dollars to plant "new wolves" - that actually are hybrids with other species - to do damage in the midst of ranch and agricultural areas, particularly when they have never learned to hunt and kill their natural prey? And, after all of that wasted expense and propaganda huffing by bureaucrats and self-proclaimed "environmentalists", these things here still cannot proliferate as "wolves". These animals have merely been a tool in a typical ant-establishment ploy - bad behavior by poor citizens. Is that a good idea?

When’s wolf fur prime? I got a Montana elk tag and just got back home from a scouting trip. The park ranger I bumped into one day told me to have a wolf tag in pocket during elk season. I have zero problems killing wolves but would like a nice fur to show off.
I’m in the process of buying a home in Montana and look forward to trapping out there.

That's always been the plan. Once Deer and Elk numbers are down a Judge will shut down the big game season.

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Sage grouse numbers have been way down in recent years. There are lots of suggestions as to exactly why and possibly all are somewhat correct. The antis are screaming to shut down the season but the IDFG keeps a season going for 7 days with a 1 bird limit. That's hardly worth going out for but it is a season. I don't know a single person who hunts them any more. I'm thinking that their idea is to show that we still have huntable numbers to keep the feds from declaring them endangered. If that happened, it would affect a lot more than just the grouse season. It could affect everything from cattle grazing to deer hunting to 4 wheeling.

Done. Thanks for the link.

The 1st year wolves were legally hunted in Idaho I, the eternal optimist, did buy 5 tags. I now have much more experience and only buy 2 at a time.

I recently watched an excellent video produced by the State of Idaho on the economic impact that wolves have had on the State. Old Goosey might actually learn something.......nah, not him.



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It is also an antigun ploy.

No game to hunt. No need for sporting arm.

No hunting seasons. No hunting. No legitimate reason to own guns. (in the minds of the liberals)

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You betcha. Add oil exploration and production, and mining to that. Listing the Sage Grouse would mean the end of a way of life.

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And there used to be several hundred thousand wolves living across the Western US. I don't think "100" can be considered the recovery of a population.

Is that what passes for your thinking?

That's the dumbest thing I've seen as a rebuttal for a long time here. You should go into Democrat politics.

100 was the "recovery" goal, until there were 100, then they moved the goalposts. Repeatedly. As RC, says, the woofer uber alles crowd will never find a "recovery" goal met.

Restore the Western US to the condition it was in when there were "several hundred thousand wolves", and we'll talk.

In the early exploration of Alaska, there was little game to feed the explorers, who were often on starvation diets. Natives several times saved lives of same. By feeding them fish- wolves had pretty much eliminated most of the land herbivores.

First rule when you are in over your head in a hole is to stop digging. "STFU before you get any deeper" would be good advice, if I cared to offer it.

I don't. Keep digging.

If you are interested in improving your wolf management education, start with Jim Reardon's "Wolves of Alaska". Not a documentary per se- more like historical non-fiction fiction. Mech, Lopez, et al have good info on the biology, etc.

The man in charge of the Yellowstone reintroduction did much work here on the Kenai National Wildlfe Refuge before geting the recovery job.. Ran into him one night years ago at a mutual friend's place and the three of us got to tipping a few. Too many, that is....

He said that during the reintroduction he tried to keep the number of death threats from both sides fairly well balanced..... he figured that way he was doing it about "right".

The man is not without a sense of humor.

When wolves eat all of their food supply, the wolf population itself will crash. Both populations are then liable to remain for long periods - many decades- at low levels. By managing the wolf population to a controlled level, prey species will thrive, and then can support a higher wolf population than if the wolves are uncontrolled or allowed at too high a "recovery" level. The peaks and valleys for both populations will be somewhat evened out, and the decades long starvation periods will be shortened or even eliminated.

"Recovery" is not an unlimited except-by -themselves level of wolves. It is a sustainable, self perpetuating level that allows for optimum prey species levels which can then support both (higher than low, but lower than high) wolves aas well as humans. That means human intervention, management, and reasonable, sustainable wolf populations where even feasable. The problem is wolves are better breeders than humans are able to easily control except by extraordinary means. Hunting and trapping by the public alone usually won't do it.

"We can't just let Nature run wild!" - Wally Hickle (then Governor of Alaska).

I worry more about human population numbers...

Mighty deep and muddy waters there...

WOW you really are stuck on dumbazz. There used to be wide open spaces with no ranches, people or livestock.

Well, to be honest it wasn't my best outing!

Missed an opportunity at a wolf, then missed a buck! I'm pretty sure it was a bull sprig buck....

The bottom line is: As long as the Rocky Mountain ecosystem has an apex predator armed with rifles, the ecosystem needs no wolves.

Every elk or deer eaten by wolves is a deer or elk which will not be going into some hunter's freezer. And each one eaten accounts for several big game tags which will not be sold.

And what is the annual elk kill per wolf again.

Based just on game killed by wolves, there is no justification for reintroducing them to this ecosystem. And that is without counting the cattle and sheep killed each year. We lost enough livestock to coyotes, we sure as hell do not need to be battling wolves as well.

The only good wolf is a dead wolf.

Wolves were never extinct ranchers I met during my years in Idaho all agreed .
The need for planting packs of wolves was all a lie .
One rancher told me about riding a 110cc honda atc in sw idaho owyhee desert - just sight seeing - riding the fun little atv . Came over the top of a hill and 6 wolves ran off of a muledeer kill this was in the late 70's . He shut it off and grabbed his binos - said they ran about 500 yards stopped and stared back for a minute then trotted off into the sagebrush . Said he had seen wolves down there his whole life , had family in nevada who had seen them too .
The whole wolf thing was a liberal pushed gov't backed BS operation .
Who here doesn't know how many times the gov't has put critters here & there trying to help something and their help turns into to an environmental disaster . . . .

5 years before the 1st introduction, my son and I watched 2 wolves running a calf elk in Idaho's Stanley Basin. Plain fact: extinct wolves don't eat elk.
The introduction violated the Endangered Species Act. We had a small population of wolves that, under the law, should have been propagated. Instead, they flagrantly violated the law and brought in gray wolves that quickly killed off and/or bred the natives out of existence.