This video proved that lefties are more prone to boar attacks than righties.

LOL it appears so!

I have 3 rifles I think are ideal for those situations. A .45-70 Guide gun, an M1 Garand, and an AR in .458 SOCOM. Honorable mention to a Winchester M94.

The reason: Very rapid repeat shots.

#4 was a case study of what not to do. Don't admire your first shot. He was obviously using a semi-auto, but went so far as to unshoulder the rifle after the pig went down.

A red dot is just plain awesome in those situations, too

That’s a big bastard

Now if they had spears...

A nice Browning BAR wound be nice in those situations, with open sights.

Shorttrac.

Last guy forgot the safety? It looked like he was hunting birds, if he was it might have been good he didn’t fire.

Everyone held their composure except number one. Wouldn't want that guy having my back in a shtf situation.

Cute, but a proper boar spear (medieval) has cross guards behind the head, to prevent the boar being able to climb the spear to get at you while it dies. That's what keeps it from taking a piece of you with it.

At close range, in the face, an ounce of lead is an ounce of lead, no matter what size the pellets are.

And what’s an oz of birdshot gonna do? Piss him off?

That close it's going to blast a big fugging hole in whatever it hits.

Ok

Yes true story. An oz of 8s at under 10ft is just like a 1oz slug. Shoot right through a pig’s skull

Not even close to a 1oz slug.

As far as shooting a pig in the noggin at 10’ goes, pretty close to a 1oz slug. It’ll bust a hole about 1” in diameter right through his dome. Won’t exit but a soft Foster slug probably wouldn’t either.

If you turn it up you hear a "click" just before the pig gets to him, I think he forgot to load or he had an ammo malfunction.

cool vid.........

as the saying goes use the correct tool for the job.........

Yeah I heard it the second time. He was lucky it was a hit-n-run...

Ok

I couldn't believe that the first guy turned his back on the boar.

Ahhhh!!! For the good old days!

You bet your ass he was lucky! It appears the pig just wanted to get past and get the hell out of dodge.

Stop sign, 12 pack of busch

Go gather your data

Oh, I don't know, that'd be pretty damn heavy with the twenty round mag and the bipod and all. Wait, you meant the commercial one I guess?

Nuh-uh

Here we go again. I can't believe the number of supposed "experts" in all things firearm/outdoorsman related here that don't know, common, basic stuff. Last time we found out many of the tards don't know a perch from a crappie from a sunfish and now we have guys that don't know a load of birdshot is potent, deadly stuff on man or beast at ranges measured in feet. Unnnnnfuuuuuggin believable.

Are you one of those CNN experts?

Now, if those were high caliber #8s that’s another story.

Let me put this in simple terms...
All the power to throw 1oz of lead is there, all the 1oz of lead is there, only difference is how fine the lead pieces are. Since there is no real time or distance for the lead to spread, it acts like a 1oz slug. It will, without a doubt, kill the fuq out of it.

No. Just a lifelong outdoorsman, firearms enthusiast, hunter, trapper and fisherman who likes to experiment, read, learn and pays attention. Plus my cousin killed the man he caught porking his wife with a load of birdshot. Blew his brains all over the wall from half way across the bedroom. Then blew his own brains all over the ceiling. I wasn't there but the paramedics and cops that were first on the scene were friends of mine and gave me the details. I also used a pheasant load to finish off a deer once. Blew the top half of it's head completely away.

Looks like fun.
Never have dealt with em.
1st dude turning his back on a wounded pig getting thrashed by the dog. Not very smart IMO.
Fugging awesome how the dog got on that pig to fugg his azz up.

Dogs are frigging da schitt!!!!

Good AK with HP,s would be a good hog wpn I bet.

Last dude sounded like he clicked on a empty chamber
Oh schitt moment...
Hahaha!!!
Then gets steamrolled by the pig
Last footage is of the pig hauling ass away.
Tff!!!

Uh, wrong again.

Schweinfanger!!!!!!!

Finally! This.

That 1 oz of birdshot lead hasn't spread for schit at that range.

!!!!!!!!!!

Depending on choke of course, probably 6 inches.

That’ll way over-penetrate

Perfect shot placement in the thinker at that distance will probably kill a hog that size, maybe, but it better be perfect. A slug will, without a doubt blow his brains through his ass.

A big boar in the shield with birdshot and you better be fast or have a backup plan.

Does not have the penetration of a slug. But it will damn near cut a pine 2x4 in half. I think it would make it through the skull if you hit a pig just a bit higher than between the eyes.

The problem is standing there waiting for the pig to get close enough for it to be effective.

I agree, and making the shot in that situation.

What are those dipschitts doing using scopes at handshake ranges, anyway? Express sights or a ghost ring on a semi-auto or a lever action seems more appropriate for that kind of situation.
Jerry

You bet Vic, my 16" 7.62 REPR loaded with 130gr TSX or as Viking said below, i'll unscrew that 1-3/4-5 Burris from that old Belgian BAR 338 and have at em with 250gr Partitions and the factory irons.

Have killed a bunch of porkers with rifle rounds covering a large part of the caliber spectrum. My favorite is here in my hands, #3 buck at about 20 yards. That particular gun has accounted for about 70 hogs in its day, none required a repeat shot. Anyone doubting the efficacy of close range shot might not have a lot of experience with such things in the field. Fug a bunch of shield theory....it's not so much the gun as the jerk behind the trigger that gets it done.

3 buck isn’t birdshot.

Put the 2x4 edge ways toward you and 1 1/4 oz of #4 birdshot will take it completely in half, even with a heavy winter coat draped over it. Just a test I did with my home defense gun back when deciding what load I was going to keep in it.

I believe all that DD, plus, some hollow point SD bullets are indeed tough to penetrate shields, I've already done it twice with my lowly P226 40 cal and 200gr XTP's, that combo is a soft shooting hole punching sombuck Sir.

And it carries 16 rounds on board and ready, it and a spare mag in my back pocket is exactly what I do and will carry again this year out bow and muzzle loader hunting, I have hog, black bear and mountain lion right here on this farm.

No it is not. #8 shot at 10-15' will end the game however, every time. #5 or 6 will stretch a wee bit further, 20-25' easy. I'm speaking from experience, not theory. If you don't understand that, make sure you stick to rifles and pistols for the rest of your days.

Ok

BTW. You have pictures of the birdshot hogs right?

No. You have a picture of your brain?

Lol.

Nicely done, sir. At the ranges we're talking about, even the shot cup will blow through 1/2" plywood. Some folks just don't respect a shotgun properly.

You said “it’s the same as a slug” You standing behind that?

That Winchester Defender is a wicked round the way it looks. Never heard of buckshot over slug before.

What I said was "Since there is no real time or distance for the lead to spread, it acts like a 1oz slug. It will, without a doubt, kill the fuq out of it." And I stand by it. Shot size matters due to distance and spread, when neither are present, there is not much difference. At spitting distances, it is devastating.

🤣🤣🤣👍👍👍

When even ladies hunted while riding sidesaddle.

The only thing I'd interject into this would be that the birdshot at 10 ft would perform more like a slug that *may* be more frangible than a solid hunk of lead, but from what I've seen, a 1 oz load of #8 acts like, well, a slug at that distance.

Case in point actually involved #6 shot at about 10 feet through the neck of a rather nice deer that walked up on me whilst sqill huntin'. Yes, season was open and I had a tag. And, it was more than seven years ago....

I see what you did there........



lol

With spears!!!

I too have killed a pretty fair truckload of incidental stuff that wasn’t birds with birdshot while I was bird hunting. To include a few pigs. Probably not as many as Dan, but half a dozen anyway. At covey rise distance an ounce of 7 7 1/2s or 8s will flat chew a hole through a pig, or coyote, bobcat, coon, or dilla.

I’ve thought about the spear deal, might be fun once. They die pretty quick with a knife behind the shoulder I know. Still just really enjoy shooting them, especially big sounders with an AR.
And for the record I’ve cut open some pretty big pigs looking for the “Shield” and haven’t found anything that a 50gr Btip from a 223 wouldn’t penetrate. They get some pretty thick hide over the shoulders but I’ve never managed to find the long touted cartilage shield on one.

Either that is a Shetland pony, or that "lady" weighs in at over 400 lbs.
The horse certainly does not look like a Shetland, and the "lady" appears to have a very fine figure. Perhaps the artist has a problem with perspective.

I sure dont want shot with birdshot, but still figure a slug has better sectional density. Where do you get enough money for 4 big roasts? Those scopes must have been on sale from the same place that's sells all those 24 power tactical things
My video was in arabic

My first thought exactly

Dang it Dan, wear a ring on your left ring finger once upon a time ? The real lesson here might be most 12 shells will work at very close distance on hogs, but just don't wear a ring while wrestling them.

How hard or expensive would it be for some here to get appropriate targets, maybe lined up milk jugs full of water, wet news papers etc. instead of a 100 bucks worth of meat & learn for them selves. While you're at it, gather drywall & plywood scraps from a building site or the like & test penetration there also.
Usually not a month goes buy that I realize how so many misconceptions there are about shotguns.

Your name explains how much you know.

Agreed. I’ve never seen this shield that people speak of. Maybe the fat layer? I’ve shot more pigs through the head than I can recall, usually with a 223. None of my experience has lead me to believe that there is any magic in killing a hog.

An ounce of birdshot at 10’ is nothing to bet against. I wouldn’t hesitate for a second to shoot a pig in the head with it at that range if that’s what I had.

How do I locate this other than here?

Rooster, they've been making those for a little while.

Some expurtz claim them to be the ultimate home defense round.

How many pigs you kill a month JP? Just curious

It amazes me at the people that claim to know so much about hunting that know very little. You take your 1 oz of #8 and i will take my 1oz slug anyday and i will bring back more pigs even if we don't shoot them but at 10 feet. I've seen a human shot in the eye with a 12 ga birdshot at less than 5 feet and it didn't come out the head

Am kinda getting off watching boar attack vids.

How many do you kill with #8 1 oz birdshot?

A bunch of little things is not the same as one big thing. Jeebus.

I already said I’ve killed a half dozen at close range with small birdshot. It will auger a hole into them just like a slug. And no it won’t exit but foster slugs often won’t either.

Maybe you’ll believe Big sticks brother.



#8 shot rarely passes through a dove. WTF?

Mess with the Bull, you get the horns.

OK, 3 buck and a semi-auto. Just in case they are out of birdshot range. Reflex sight?

Some bad ass little black dogs in Europe.

Some chitty rifle shooters all over.

Poor filming

Big groups of pigs, oh my.

I want an AR10 more than ever!

Birdshot, up close and personal, will get the job done.
https://youtu.be/zaR1EVybUgc

I've never skinned a hog to look either, shot four wild hogs last spring here from the back porch, from 509 to iirc 579 yards with my old heavy 300 win mag, went up to check em out and did some penetration testing with my 40 cal and 200gr XTP handloads, shot the first 200lb dead boar straight in the shoulder from 5 feet, exit, went home and it occurred to me I didn't know where the 'shield' was, the next boar was about 225/250 lbs, black Russian nasty roguey sombitch, shot him through the shoulders at 5 feet, then put one tight behind the shoulder, again, two shots, two exits, I have no concerns about getting a hog or black bear to leave me alone with that old P226 and 200gr XTP handload.

Bud of mine dropped one at 17 paces with 20 gauge and 6 shot squirrel hunting one morning couple seasons ago. 80 lb boar running straight at him. I've killed dozens with 308 , 35 Remington and bow . I stalk them on the ground every year and a lot of the shots are 10 yards. Biggest boar I have killed was this past season estimated 250 plus. Have been trying to kill a bigger one that I see every season that could be 350 plus but He doesn't give anyone a shot, always in the thickets and always running. Have to be careful not to shoot bears where I hunt , can't just shoot at big black animals then ground check what you killed.

Here’s the “shield” off a 200 pound ish pig. This is the thickest part over the top forward part of the shoulders. No bone, no cartilage, just hide. If it’s stopping bullets you’re using some really inferior bullets.

Well that old pre-27 357 mag riding in that fine holster you sent me chunking 158gr Cast Performance hardcasts at 1400 fps dang sure wont be stopped by that.

I got a feeling I've met some Texas boys who have shot penned hogs with birdshot to see what happens. Next time I go visit I'll enquire.

Darn, I almost missed your post, MB. I been looking for it a while and couldnt find it on UTube but was looking for it and watching others and found it in the right border of another video.

Top 5 Wild Boar Attacks 2019. Khalil Chasse.

This sounds like a fun idea, guys.

Haha! Guy looked like one of the 7 dwarfs.

But shows that while a hog might come after you they aren’t exactly Cape buffalo

Hahahah. "Mother Fu__er Bit Me".

For extending longevity it’s best not to hunt grizz with a switch!

I did, then one day it divorced me in a very final fashion. It stang a bit but the evolution has been useful at times. Cashiers that are diddlin' around quit as soon as I start wigglin' it at them. I can flip a bird with half the effort of most folks. Chicks always want to sit on my right side for some weird reason.

For the record, that's a 20 bore I'm holdin' there. I save the 12 bore for Godzilla.

Now this guy has a hog gun. What is this gun.

Did no 4 have a scarecrow decoy?

Blurb on buck and ball loads

Buck and ball was a common load for muzzle-loading muskets, and was frequently used in the American Revolutionary War and into the early days of the American Civil War. The load usually consisted of a .50 to .75 caliber round lead musket ball (.69 caliber for the "Brown Bess" musket) that was combined with three to six buckshot pellets.

Video


Then we have the modern improved stuff.

i shot a boar from 30ft with a 7 mag right in the shoulder with a ballistic tip. it when down squealing and kicking. i leaned the rifle against the blind to wait for it to stop kicking, and it jumped up and was gone, never found any blood or saw buzzards. had several run off shot in the shoulder with 55gr soft points out of the ar.

I believe it. I’ve seen one hit at 50 yards with an 85gr soft point- .243

Same thing. Hit the ground and got up carrying the mail. 180gr AB out of a 300 Weatherby put him down. That 85grainer didn’t penetrate the shoulder blade.

That's odd, my CB shorts drop 'em dead in their tracks.

shooting them in the shoulder?

Since you inquired, not with CB's. Broadside neck, headed for the cervical vertebrae on pigs up to around #125, otherwise I might shoot the small ones behind the ear. For the rest, between the eyes about 1" up.

I feel inclined to spew a little, bear with me. Pigs aren't hard to kill, but their anatomy is a bit different than deer and other critters. Lookie here...


My turf is a bit different than you folks out west as well. Most shots are in the 10-20 yard range.


I still hunt. Period. I have on a number of occasions shot more than one pig without taking a step. Personal record is 5 and that included a boar of about 200#, a sow of 175# and three shoats of about 40-50#. In that particular event I shot the sow first. They behave rather rudely when you make one of their kids squeal.

The largest was a bit of an education. First shot was what I thought to be a behind the ear brain shot. Ol' bastid looked up after the shot, shook his head a little and looked in my direction. Shot #2 did the trick. It was shortly after that I discovered that pigs have a two layer skull in the rear portion, ie, a chamber that holds the grey matter and one that is mostly empty as best I can tell. I shot the void and had I been about 1.5-2" lower it would have worked. Live and learn...

Shot #1

oh i know, i've killed my share, just pointing out the grizzle shield is pretty tough. nilgai also have the same type shield.

Shot #2


Rear view


The bullet


End of the road



I like single shots and red dots for what I do. Horsepower is no substitute for placement.

You shot 5 in one setting, having to shoot the boar twice, all with a single shot and CB shorts. That’s impressive.

Top five boar charges ?
I didnt see one boar charge in
that clip, just a guy in the wrong place
at the wrong time..

Billy

Not so much in my book. One of the little porkers took off to play elsewhere, guess he figured out the jig was up or something. If I was really hot there would have been 6 dead pigs on the ground. There's a lot of story behind how this all this CB short thing started that I'm not going to bother with. Simple telling is a flock of the fat bastids descended upon my lawn one day back around the winter of 2004. All I had handy at that moment was the short chambered Contender so I slipped out the door with the intention of shooting them away. Pop'n flop. SOB! Measured it out at 38 yards, shook my head and got the skinning knife out.

With the concurrence of a neighbor I set about thinning the herd and learned a few things about killin' I'd never realized. 1) penetration matters, 2) placement is 90% of the game and 3) not all ammo is the same in the world of .22 shorts. The CB bullets with their feeble velocity are stupid quiet, more so than the LR barrel with a suppressor. Because they are slow they don't deform and have a strong tendency to penetrate far more than one might expect. EX: Broadside thru the neck of a 100# porker, the CB will pass thru the neck and vertebrae and exit headed for who knows where. HV HP ammo will kill, but it shatters on the bone and does not exit. .22 LR SV tends to tumble and exit is an iffy thing in the same scenario. That said, dead is dead, but my love affair with HV performance, both RF and CF began to wane as a result.

Pigs aren't terribly bright on the best of days. Their vision is apparently a joke. I'm suspecting they hear well, and have a well developed sense of smell, but if one is downwind and reasonably quiet they are clueless about where to run when life gets weird. So often as not they stand around acting nervous and confused. Reloading a single shot rifle or shotgun need not be a slow and laborious endeavor, at least not for the break action guns. Some years back up in GA I had occasion to maneuver myself into a circumstance where some pigs could, at the sound of the first shot, leap off the cliff into a creek below, or run over me. I had a H&R .410 and despite my stubby left ring finger, 4 shells between the fingers of my left hand. Starting range was about 30 yards, shooting slugs....first one died, rolled into the creek. Missed the second on the fly, nailed #3 about 15 yards out, missed #4 and #5 splattered blood on my jeans when I shot him. Yeah, slugs work if you can hit what your aiming at.

With all that babble out of the way, I will say, without reservation, the most profoundly effective weapon for hogs that I've ever seen at play is an AH-1G with 17# 2.75" FFAR. Saw a pot bellied pig fleeing down a trail one day and one of the best acts of stunt shooting ever went down. The pig was haulin' ass. The rocket detonated pretty much under its belly. There weren't chitt left for the mess kit. Unfortunately I didn't fly Snakes much "over there", but can tell you my little bird sometimes had 6 barrels that were belt fed. No moss growing that set up either.

Dan,
What variant is the AH-1G? And what weapon system had 6 barrels? Were you a Marine pilot?

Army, air cavalry. The AH-1G was the first iteration of the Cobra gunship...6 barrel belt fed = miniguns. Served with 2/17th Cav, 1/9th Cav and 7/17th Cav, mostly in 1&2 Corps with a few months in 3 Corps. '69-'70, '71-'72, mostly flying Scouts.

I love the smell of napalm in the morning.

Thanks. I worked on AH-1W and UH-1N. Never knew the cobra had a 6 barrel mini gun. The ones I worked on had a 3 barrel 20mm, but my time was about 35 years after you. Was that 6 barrel mini a 7.62? The Hueys still run those.

Yer, yer, yer a perfessional killer. No fare, Dan.

I look for the CB longs because a freaking gun Smith told me that sometimes a CB short can get stuck in the barrel.

Darn. I gotta go back and start doing some experimental research.

I was told on tha Far that 00 B in the face of a bear for defence was like a bunch of 32 cal pistol bullets at 1100 fps just pissing Mtr Bear off.

This thread has me remembering something from 55-60 years ago. My cousin min law and D Boones relative and most best hunter and shot I ever knew, a back woodsman named Jerry Maxey took me deep into Piney Creek bottom as a big kid for deer one evening. It started raining and we sat in his 1920 or so jeep until too late to hunt.

He said he had wanted to shoot something that evening. To stop the jeep he had coasted in neutral at slow speed into a pine sapling beside the dim jeep trail in the forest. It was surprising to me the jolt we experienced as we suddenly stopped. I wondered if he was letting me learn the danger of running into solid objects even at slow speed. He was a meat and potatoes poor guy and this was not his normal moa.

As it got time to leave he stepped out and took aim at the 3-4 inch pine sapling about 8 ft high that had stopped the jeep with his FC Mod 12 with high base 6s and "kaboom". I cant remember how close he was to it and I thought he had gone crazy cause those shells back then were about 7 cents a piece for broken box buys which I normally always could only afford. I never heard of intentionally wasting such a valuable commodity on purpose or pine.

Anyway, the pine parted enough for the top part to fall over and he remarked something about how powerful our shotguns were. I wondered why he had done that. It was a bit unsettling. Was he trying to impress being safe to me? Was he hinting I had been letting my muzzle point in his direction?

Anyway, he was my hero and was the best shot I ever saw, head shooting bucks running through timber or palmetto and,pin oaks with an open sighted 94 30-30 or "limbing" hidden squirrels high in a tree with a 22 or popping them in the head with it if they "limmed out" through the forest canopy above, or popped woodies flushing up off Piney, or cutting a couple of geese necks flying low over Grandads open pasture a little too close to us.

Whatever his intent, it made me think.

Oh hell, now I needs a single shot 22CB mofo.....

Yeah, we had a few of the 20mm late in my first tour, nobody cared for them much. Some snakes had a mini and what we called a chunker in the turret. 40mm grenade launcher. Some had twin minis in the turret and a pair of pods with minis inboard on the wing stubs. Rockets outboard. About half the LOHs I flew had minis, rest had door gunners.. I preferred the latter. Extra eyes were a good thing.

Beats hell out of being an amateur...

All this talk of killing power and yet the biggest campfire rule is always shot placement. Griz iz bigger and meaner than pigs is and you don't need an ounce of shot when you shoot them good. One well placed bullet between the eyes tames even the meanest griz...

Sometimes the obvious is unsettling to folks Shrapnel, give 'em 10-15 years and they'll figure it out.

Jag, I use the short version 'cause the barrel is chambered for shorts. Have shot some of the CB longs but have not found the precision wanted. They would probably work at the ranges I swat pigs at, but.....

CB shorts checking zero after a thorough scrubbing...on the 25 yard line, elbow rest:


LR Quiet at 20 yards from a "real" gun and this is by far the best group I've ever had with them. CB longs do about the same for me in a LR chamber.


Same chamber with LR SV ammo:


My original purpose in having a short chamber was for hunting squirrel. I've had some success with that, but with a different sort of ammo....


The BB Caps are the schizzle for bustin' tree rats inside 30 yards or so. 'Dillos and other pests as well. A curiosity I've not sorted out is why the BB caps kill 'em quicker than the CB caps. I'm not thinking that hydrostatic shock is the answer....

I thought 7 1/2 shot was for grizzly .

Thats weird.

Start in the middle...shoot left.
Then go up and shoot to the right?

See my signature please.

Hehehe.


I do some weird stuff too.


When reading lists, news papers or magazines and the such.....I always start at the end and work forward.

Methinks I need boots

Flip flops and work better in high water. They're self draining.

I never figured out how to use flip flops.

It helps if you start around your 3d or 4th birthday.

No doubt a lot like learning a second language.

So does that mean you started reading and posting on this thread on page 13 and worked you're way back to page 1?

Its weird.


You know when you read something and you get to the end....wishing there was more to read?


I dont do that...I go to the end first. Establish a lever of disappointment....and go from there.


I like to get the disappointment out of the way first.....only gets better after that!

And now I know why crocs were invented.

I thought of that too. For weird northerners that look like they are in the process of throwing a shoe when they try to wear flip flops.

This squirrel is my flip flop spirit animal.

The hardest part about walking in flip flops is doing it in reverse.

Kinda like a reverse mortgage.

Walking backwards not so much of a problem but running in reverse, or break dancing even, that's a challenge. Got the scars to prove it.

Come on SandBilly....you never shot a load of bird shot into a tree as a kid? Even a 20ga with #6 or #8's will blow through a 6" pine at hog shootin range. Now, I'm not saying it's the same as a slug, but it damn sure would be effective at 10 feet if you needed it. That said, I wouldn't be out hunting hogs with birdshot.

Well if a side of beef breaks through your door, you're all set. Note...this may be extra handy in WI.

Unloading furniture...not a good plan.

Yeah I know what it’ll do. I guess you could kill a rhino with rat shot if you had a long enough barrel and had it stuck up his ass far enough.

Never thought of that. Interesting idea.

Just leave a basket of cheese curds and a sixer of Blatz on the front step. They'll leave ya alone.

I'll let you go first. Post your results.

No they won't. It's like welfare at that point man.

The Culture of Relief, as my Pop used to call it.

Curious to know your thought about this. If you had chambered for LR and shot CB Longs do you think you'd have seen the same accuracy and terminal performance as you do with the short chamber and CB shorts?

Great post and thanks for it DD.

I will say I dont shoot CCI. It isn't nearly as accurate in a couple of 22s i have and "patterns" very poorly in my Wim 9422 mag.

Puts their eyes out.

You're too old to learn how now. You and me are just SOL.

I almost had a wreck the other day. Stuck my feet in son's leather "thong" sandals to go to the store. He has bigger feet and they were a bit loose and long.

Driving up to a red light I went to brake but the toe of the sandal got hung under the freaking brake pedal. Dayom that was a close call. Saved again only by the Grace of God on that deal. The guy who slammed on his brakes just thought I was a dimocrap.

This discussion has led me full circle back to my original position I had years ago before being led away from it by the Fire experts.

I'm back to feeling a 12 ga with 00B at 5 yds would be adequate defense from a charging brownie if I did my part and applied the load to its face.

In fact, I think it would be interesting to know if a bunch of bird shot to the face at 15-20 yds that took out a bears eyes would most often save ones ass from the jaws of death. I'm inclined to think it would usually do the job, possibly more effectively than most could expect to do with a single action revolver.

Now if we could just get a dimocrap to try that theory out.

Bear exports. Do you think a charge would be usually stopped by taking a bears eyes out? And would an angry or hungry boar be most likely affected more or less than a pissed of momma?

Do you see a flashy white thing at the top of your screen?

Hehehe.

I'm not getting ridiculed-----yet.

No no. Another thing.

But that reminds me, you use no less than 6 shot for dove and quail.

I luv 7.5 for dove, bro.

But in a pinch will use 6s. Especially if there aren't many dove on a flyway or coming in to water and I have to switch to full choke and reach out and touch them before they get in range of the green horns using 8s and 9s. I enjoy seeing the dumbfounded looks on their faces when they finally realize they will be paying off on their bets.

Hell, you can hardly find those tiny pellets when cleaning those birds and they are hell to dig out from between molars. Dentists love them, however. It's amazing what a fellow will pay to get a tiny pellet extracted after trying to sleep all night with one prizing his teeth apart.

I prefer 6s on tough blue quail as a couple in the bod and you usually get the bird, even with low base loads in 20 ga.
swear I'm going to get my camcorder to record the antics of uneducated quail hunters using high base 7.5s in 12 ga as the try to chase down or piss of time futilely looking for broke wing birds that are 50 yards from where they went down by the time the hunter gets there and often are down a pack rat or badger hole.

Hmmmm, a bear versus birdshot.....

Imagine you're about to mount up on the girl of your dreams in your senior year of high school. She is a freshman and lays just below the wooden divider fence, obscuring her presence from the house. But not yours.. You're out by the pool shack across the pool from the back patio. Just at that glorious moment you hear her dad say "Boy, I never did like you very much." and for a very brief moment there is a lingering image of a side by side flash from the patio, about 20 yards distant. The world goes dark save for the billowing flames in your mind as your shrieks are joined by hers.

Is that when you're gonna charge?

Ha. Make gun ov an old man using auto correct. You'll bet there some da y

Naw, I think a well placed load of bird shot at the proper time would discourage the largest of bears. And encourage beer later on.

Now you're talking.

Anyone want to settle this shot vs slug argument? Dinosaur hunting....



BTW. Stop the vid around 9:30 and take a look at the recoil pad on his shotgun while it's laying on the table. (Butt facing the camera) Hilarious!

Here's the butt pad...



LOL

Looks like a slip on Sims pad. Available at many fine retailers such as Walmart.

All he wanted was a lil cast on ...

Pffft....It's all the same at less than 10 feet. Some idiots would take on a cape buffalo at less than 10 feet with #4 buck.

Why not? I saw a water buff dropped with a single shot from a 1911 Colt and it wasn't a brain shot.

They do get your attention when they are galloping towards you. Often it seems to me it is more a case of the pig simply bolting in the direction it was facing, not realising you are in the way. Sometimes though it is pretty clear that they mean it. Mostly makes for an easy shot though.