++ Climate change is real. Not sure about the warming part. The question is how much man is involved. Or if. Then what to do? Selling and buying carbon credits is a shell game. Mostly it comes down to YOU doing less so I can do more
The idiots in Berkeley and San Jose don’t allow new homes to use natural gas because of climate change and their desire to exercise control of the citizens like Stalin.
One thing to keep in mind is that climate “scientists” adjust the temperature measurements to make them support their theory. One scientist looked at the adjustments and found that every adjustment increased the temperatures.
Most folks know that Cypress trees grow in damp, swampy climates. Most folks also know that North Dakota is pretty dry and arid. In Medora ND, at the visitors center for Roosevelt National Park, there's a petrified Cypress stump about 4' in diameter. They estimate it to be over 53 million years old. Long before the first SUVs, long before the first coal fired power plant, long before the first human being walked upright. For something like a 4' Cypress stump to dry out and petrify like that, the climate had to change much faster than mankind has ever recorded. The only true constant about the climate is that it is constantly changing. The earth and the sun have ten times more effect on the climate than anything mankind as ever done, or ever will do. Man Made Global Warming, Climate Change is nothing more than than a global swindle. Its sole purpose is to justify more and more taxes. 7mm
"Climate Change Activists" just need to get China, India, Russia, Mexico on board. Only the good 'ol USA will cough up cash.
I'm in India & China quite a bit for work. Those places are unbelievably polluted, so polluted that you can barely see the sun on a good day and it inflames your sinuses. I had to go to the doctor after a trip back from China a few months ago because I thought I had the flu, turned out my sinuses were just irritated and I was drooling like the dog from Turner & Hooch.
They're not going to stop doing what they're doing just because some Swedish kid cries on TV and bumps fists with Obama. They've got a billion plus people each and they're gonna do whatever it takes to get a leg up, throttling their economy to clean up the planet is the last thing on their mind. We in the U.S. have environmentally regulated ourselves to the point of diminishing returns, it'll take crushing our economy with silly ideas like outlawing the internal combustion engine to make a minute different in our emissions. If we did that then it wouldn't make one bit of difference with China and India, they'd just laugh as we destroyed our economy and way of life while cranking out even more pollution. We're on the same planet as them and spending ourselves into bankruptcy trying to clean it up isn't going to do a damn thing to make it cleaner with them around.
i just hate it when the mass media reports there's mass grouping of individuals all over the globe (except china) that is concerned about global climate change.
if i owned a climate, what would i do in order to make a profit from such ownership?
global outpouring of young humans, what is going on?
i thought the objective was to work at a job and pay taxes?
some people seems to be thinking there's even more needed?
If the people that were pushing it actually believed it, they would not be doing any flying at all. They would be skyping to the global warming conference every year instead of flying there. There would be zero tolerance for carbon emissions instead of being able to buy your way out of it. They are all full of malarkey. It's all about the money.
If the people that were pushing it actually believed it, they would not be doing any flying at all. They would be skyping to the global warming conference every year instead of flying there. There would be zero tolerance for carbon emissions instead of being able to buy your way out of it. They are all full of malarkey. It's all about the money.
Exactly.
Recreational travel would be the first to go.
That and limited personal housing.
No new clothes.
The never ending (unnecessary)consumption has to stop.
i just hate it when the mass media reports there's mass grouping of individuals all over the globe (except china) that is concerned about global climate change.
if i owned a climate, what would i do in order to make a profit from such ownership?
global outpouring of young humans, what is going on?
i thought the objective was to work at a job and pay taxes?
some people seems to be thinking there's even more needed?
Whether or not humans are the cause of changes in the climate is something of which I have no knowledge. What I know, though, is that planets die all the time and there ain't nothing some ditz from NYC can do about it. Whether we get hit by an asteroid or the planet just implodes, it's gonna happen and we won't be able to stop it, slow it, speed it or do anything else to affect it. The idea that we have to revert to the stone age (but without the cows and, instead, eat stuff grown in a petri dish) to save the planet is the work of snake oil peddlers.
Unlike most people, I actually have a degree in physics, math minor, enough credits for a chemistry minor. After reviewing the original research, the most an honest scientist can say about human caused climate change is that we have no idea. The math behind thermodynamics is incredibly complex. Supercomputers work all day running models based on non-linear, multi-variate, partial differential equations. The relationship between climate and weather is that climate is the integral of weather. No weather model has a factor for CO2 concentration. Which is a little surprising, given that CO2 concentrations vary significantly. Anyone who tells you that the integral of a function is dominated by a factor not in the function itself never passed a calculus class. It simply isn't possible. So my takeaway is that the climate alarmists are using a veneer of science to push for complete government control of our lives. Climate alarmism is pushed by charlatans and frauds.
First off, climate change is real and has been happening since the beginning of this world. There have been multiple ice ages, and there will be again. The real debate is whether humans can have any affect on it. We may cause macro adjustments in the curve, but the curve is going to happen whether we are here or not. It's going to get hotter, until it gets colder. We can't change that.
Unlike most people, I actually have a degree in physics, math minor, enough credits for a chemistry minor. After reviewing the original research, the most an honest scientist can say about human caused climate change is that we have no idea. The math behind thermodynamics is incredibly complex. Supercomputers work all day running models based on non-linear, multi-variate, partial differential equations. The relationship between climate and weather is that climate is the integral of weather. No weather model has a factor for CO2 concentration. Which is a little surprising, given that CO2 concentrations vary significantly. Anyone who tells you that the integral of a function is dominated by a factor not in the function itself never passed a calculus class. It simply isn't possible. So my takeaway is that the climate alarmists are using a veneer of science to push for complete government control of our lives. Climate alarmism is pushed by charlatans and frauds.
Well its got me spooked. This summer witneswed it so hot and dry the fires were intense the game moved to the mountains and the lakes were drying up and the glaciers melting fast. The fish weremoving to deep pools of flowing water the only cool place they could find. It was really scary in alaska right now......
Climate scientists are careful to not let us know when the ice age is suppose to be naturally melted. So, how can anyone tell what effect humans are causing?
If "climate change" was genuinely perceived as a risk, they'd be building nuclear power plants like crazy and no one would be farting around with solar panels and windmills.
Unlike most people, I actually have a degree in physics, math minor, enough credits for a chemistry minor. After reviewing the original research, the most an honest scientist can say about human caused climate change is that we have no idea. The math behind thermodynamics is incredibly complex. Supercomputers work all day running models based on non-linear, multi-variate, partial differential equations. The relationship between climate and weather is that climate is the integral of weather. No weather model has a factor for CO2 concentration. Which is a little surprising, given that CO2 concentrations vary significantly. Anyone who tells you that the integral of a function is dominated by a factor not in the function itself never passed a calculus class. It simply isn't possible. So my takeaway is that the climate alarmists are using a veneer of science to push for complete government control of our lives. Climate alarmism is pushed by charlatans and frauds.
Most folks know that Cypress trees grow in damp, swampy climates. Most folks also know that North Dakota is pretty dry and arid. In Medora ND, at the visitors center for Roosevelt National Park, there's a petrified Cypress stump about 4' in diameter. They estimate it to be over 53 million years old. Long before the first SUVs, long before the first coal fired power plant, long before the first human being walked upright. For something like a 4' Cypress stump to dry out and petrify like that, the climate had to change much faster than mankind has ever recorded. The only true constant about the climate is that it is constantly changing. The earth and the sun have ten times more effect on the climate than anything mankind as ever done, or ever will do. Man Made Global Warming, Climate Change is nothing more than than a global swindle. Its sole purpose is to justify more and more taxes. 7mm
Climate change is absolutely real! It's called weather and it changes all the time. It was changing before man started keeping track of it and it will continue to change.
If you want to know why all the sudden spotlight on the 'climate change'...... follow the money!
We are in the middle of a period of climate change. That much is readily observable. Problem is that there is ample evidence in the geologic record of other periods of climate change in the cenezoic (and recent cenezoic at that) that make what we're experiencing now look like a speedbump. There is similar evidence that atmospheric CO2 levels during the cretaceous were higher than they are today. I'm just sick and tired of being lectured on climate change by people who couldn't tell you the difference between methane and CO2 if their lives depended on it. Rant over. . . . . . .
The scientists that are harping on climate change (global warming) are the ones getting grant money for doing it. Look at who's propping them up and you'll find out who's funding the climate hoax. Our country has been pretty good at watching our emissions but the rest of the world hasn't although they always look to us to foot the bill for their excesses.
We can do a lot to make our lives better but we cannot do anything to change the climate not the weather patterns. That is part of nature and is going to happen no matter what we do.
IMHO it's not a question of if the climate is changing....it is, it always is, and always has been. My questions are: Why is climate change inherently bad? What areas are actually benefiting from a change in weather? Why aren't the people who own oceanfront property selling and moving to higher ground or at least building their beach houses on stilts?
I think the topic is a huge scam to scare and control people for the gain of a few hucksters.
90,000 years ago my part of Michigan was covered with ice. Hell yes it is warming. Dino's were wiped out by a big rock hitting the earth and hiding the sky. A big volcano going off will change the climate for many years. I really don't think it is us so much.
Ask yourself how many banks stoped loaning, developers stop developing, insurance companies won't insure any ocean front property anywhere in the world.
That's all you need to know.
Btw, Obama's just bought ocean front property on Martha's Vineyard.
Well I suppose we all have out opinion on climate change so he is mine. IT'S THE SUN STUPID! Think of the sun as like the Coleman lantern fed with white gas. Fill the tank, pump up the pressure, light the wick and there's the light. As the pressure decreases over time, the light dims so we pump up the pressure again and voila, more bright light. Say the sun is like that Coleman lantern. Pressure is high and we get heat. Pressure falls and it gets colder. Probably for the sun the "pressure" is more of an internal function but that's my simple theory on what causes climate change/global warming. We do know of was age where the temperature was so high it would have been impossible for human life to exist and we know that during the Carboniferous Period the oxygen level was so high that the air would have been poisonous to human life. How many ice ages were there? I know it was more than one and IIRC, only the last one had humans in existence. Guess it must have been their fault, right?
When it comes to pollution and if it may or may not be man's fault, I think that every time a volcano decides to just burp, or erupt or do a full blown blow out, more pollution and Co2 get put into the atmosphere than man could over one hell of a long period of time. Wasn't the "little ice age" caused when the volcano on the island of Krakatoa blew it's top? I'm no scientist, no big bunch of letters stuck on the end of my name saying Piled Higher and Deeper but I do read and I can think. My conclusion it global warming/climate change does exist. That it is caused by we humans is the height if egotistical stupidity foisted on the public for political power and financial gain by a select few. In other words, total bovine excrement. Paul B.
If "Climate Science" was an actual theory, it could make testable predictions that would that would actually come true. Instead, what we have is a 50 year record of failed predictions, and even a complete 180 from the original hypothesis.
Wrong Again: 50 Years of Failed Eco-pocalyptic Predictions Myron Ebell, Steven J. Milloy • September 18, 2019
SUMMARY
Modern doomsayers have been predicting climate and environmental disaster since the 1960s. They continue to do so today.
None of the apocalyptic predictions with due dates as of today have come true.
What follows is a collection of notably wild predictions from notable people in government and science.
More than merely spotlighting the failed predictions, this collection shows that the makers of failed apocalyptic predictions often are individuals holding respected positions in government and science.
While such predictions have been and continue to be enthusiastically reported by a media eager for sensational headlines, the failures are typically not revisited.
1967: ‘Dire famine by 1975.’
1969: ‘Everyone will disappear in a cloud of blue steam by 1989.’
1970: ‘America subject to water rationing by 1974 and food rationing by 1980.’
1970: Ice age by 2000
1971: ‘New Ice Age Coming’
1972: New ice age by 2070
1974: ‘New Ice Age Coming Fast’
1974: ‘Another Ice Age?’
1974: Ozone Depletion a ‘Great Peril to Life’
1976: ‘The Cooling’
1980: ‘Acid Rain Kills Life in Lakes’ But 10 years later, the US government program formed to study acid rain concluded: Acid Rain no environmental crisis.
1978: ‘No End in Sight’ to 30-Year Cooling Trend
1988: James Hansen forecasts increase regional drought in 1990s But the last really dry year in the Midwest was 1988, and recent years have been record wet.
1988: Washington DC days over 90F to from 35 to 85 But the number of hot days in the DC area peaked in 1911, and have been declining ever since.
988: Maldives completely under water in 30 years
1989: Rising seas to ‘obliterate’ nations by 2000
1989: New York City’s West Side Highway underwater by 2019
1995 to Present: Climate Model Failure (graphic in linked article)
2000: ‘Children won’t know what snow is.’
2002: Famine in 10 years
2004: Britain to have Siberian climate by 2020
2008: Arctic will be ice-free by 2018
2008: Al Gore warns of ice-free Arctic by 2013
2009: Prince Charles says only 8 years to save the planet
2009: UK prime minister says 50 days to ‘save the planet from catastrophe’
2013: Arctic ice-free by 2015
Gas hydrate dissociation off Svalbard induced by isostatic rebound rather than global warming
2013: Arctic ice-free by 2016
2014: Only 500 days before ‘climate chaos’
Original articles and sources to for all the above in linked article.
As I've said before, "Climate Science" isn't science.
It's easy-- The climate changes every year, it gets hot in summer and cold in winter It has been changing for as long as it has been recorded Man did not create it, man cannot change it!
As I've said before, "Climate Science" isn't science.
Nothing you posted is remotely close to proof that humans have had zero impact on climate.
That was my question, not "can you post as many wild-ass theories as possible."
Those who proclaim man made climate change are not in the same league as Flat Earthers and Young Earth Earth Creationist in the regard that they have not met their burden of proof. I just gave you over 2 dozen testable predictions they made, all of which failed to come true.
As I've said before, "Climate Science" isn't science.
Nothing you posted is remotely close to proof that humans have had zero impact on climate.
That was my question, not "can you post as many wild-ass theories as possible."
Those who proclaim man made climate change are not in the same league as Flat Earthers and Young Earth Earth Creationist in the regard that they have not met their burden of proof. I just gave you over 2 dozen testable predictions they made, all of which failed to come true.
i thought the 2000 year IT issue had something going on.
There are 2 big problems 1 our children are being indoctrinated in schools by liberal school staff who kneel at the liberal trough of college educators 2 scientists are not apolitical--they swim in the sewer of left wing politics and their economic futures are tied to liberal grants which color their results I like like the story of the National Weather service monitoring station in Long Island that was originally in a potato field but is now next to a chinese restaraunt in a strip mall--great data coming from there
As I've said before, "Climate Science" isn't science.
Nothing you posted is remotely close to proof that humans have had zero impact on climate.That was my question, not "can you post as many wild-ass theories as possible."
It sounds like you are asking the man to prove a negative. It is the positive that needs proving. Especially if it causes a huge dislocation of a society that is functioning tolerably well.
Great discussion. CC being championed by our kids, underscore the power of indoctrination when there is no one to challenge the "teachers". In her 1962 book "Silent Spring" ,Rachel Carson advances "documentation" over the perils of DDT that would get her booted from a graduate class today. The elimination of DDT from Africa has contributed to millions of deaths from malaria - far more than the improper use of the insecticide. She further opined that the ultimate answer to climate change is the collapse of capitalism.
I have climbed in glaciated Mountain ranges from the Himalayas to Alaska and many of those have changed vastly in just the last 30 years so change of sorts is not the question. To proclaim knowledge of the cause and to attribute it to modern civilization is similar to proclaiming that you possess actual knowledge of gods design for mankind. Vanity, thy name is man.
Above is Smokepole using Communist Saul Alinski's Rules for radicals:
#3 - "Whenever possible go outside the expertise of the enemy." #4 - "Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules." #8 - "Keep the pressure on." #10 - "The major premise for tactics is the development of operations that will maintain a constant pressure upon the opposition." #13 - "Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it."
I want to point out to you American Patriots here, he is 100% incapable of debating facts, like all slimy communists. Notice how he DID NOT come back with any facts whatsoever to dispute my claim. The reason, he's been "groomed" to always put the oponent in the hot chair to prove everything said is correct, instead of actual debating with facts...reason being....like always, they have ZERO supportable facts to back their communist positions.
And as you people have seen above, he refused to acknowledge the lying statements by the communists that failed to come true, posted by Antelope Sniper, and used the same Communist Saul Alinski tactics, by throwing it all back into Antelope Sniper to "prove", instead of him "proving".
Your move Smokepole.
It's not up to me to educate you.
YOU...YOU post the FACTS to prove my statement wrong.
It's not up to me to prove it.
It's up to YOU to disprove it. That is how a debate works you slimy Al Gore lover.
Here's the HUGE hurdle you must crawl over to disprove me though:
There was a recent court decision that shot down a graph used as the basis of Al Gore's movie and the UN Climate committee. Professor Mann, climate professor at Penn State Univ., Mann's hockey stick graph, first published in 1998, was featured prominently in the U.N. IPCC 2001 climate report.
Mann's FRAUDULENT graph showed a spike in the 20th century after 500 years of stability, that many questioned and claimed was FRAUDULENT.
Not the Cornerstone, but the BEDROCK of global warming was STRUCK DOWN.
Mann HAS NEVER released his methodology or data as to support the numbers in his graph.
Al Gore REFUSES to debate the facts.
The two prominent con artists REFUSE to debate anyone, or produce the data to prove their position.
To proclaim knowledge of the cause and to attribute it to modern civilization is similar to proclaiming that you possess actual knowledge of gods design for mankind. Vanity, thy name is man.mike r
Yep. If you want to understand the Climate Change believers, study Theology, not Science.
As I've said before, "Climate Science" isn't science.
Nothing you posted is remotely close to proof that humans have had zero impact on climate.
Since the "Con Artist" Climate Professor Mann, at Penn State University, just got his Hockey Stick graph SHOT Down in a court, and he has refused to release his data and methodology...WHERE IS YOUR PROOF, DATA, AND SUPPORTING METHODOLOGY that Humans have caused global warming?
Oh look. Smokepole is moving the Goal Post, and changing the title to "zero impact on climate" instead of Climate change...LOL
I'll bet he's on the phone right now with the leaders, "Hey guys, listen, this is Scientist Smokepole, your stooge you planted on the outdoor forum. Listen, I'm presently testing a new angle on branding this schtick we've got going. Yeah. I'm calling it, " Human Zero Impact on Climate". Yeah, I thought you guys would like it. Do I still get my bonus if I raise the numbers on the target audience this week here at my outpost?"
Real, or not, what is anybody going to about it? Tax the public?
Humans are filthy creatures that compete viciously for space and resources. Only the west admits that the planet is being degraded by overpopulation and is feebly seeking solutions. The rest of the world procreates like rodents and destroys the environment while attempting to achieve the standard of living displayed by the advanced cultures.
The only solution is a Caucasian-immune pandemic. What are your thoughts?
Except for welksucker, thinking is outside of his skillset.
Of course the climate is changing. It's been going back and forth for billions of years.
What isn't real is that we are at fault and that we can do something about it.
Originally Posted by ElkSlayer91
Originally Posted by smokepole
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
As I've said before, "Climate Science" isn't science.
Nothing you posted is remotely close to proof that humans have had zero impact on climate.
Since the "Con Artist" Climate Professor Mann, at Penn State University, just got his Hockey Stick graph SHOT Down in a court, and he has refused to release his data and methodology...WHERE IS YOUR PROOF, DATA, AND SUPPORTING METHODOLOGY that Humans have caused global warming?
Oh look. Smokepole is moving the Goal Post, and changing the title to "zero impact on climate" instead of Climate change...LOL
I'll bet he's on the phone right now with the leaders, "Hey guys, listen, this is Scientist Smokepole, your stooge you planted on the outdoor forum. Listen, I'm presently testing a new angle on branding this schtick we've got going. Yeah. I'm calling it, " Human Zero Impact on Climate". Yeah, I thought you guys would like it. Do I still get my bonus if I raise the numbers on the target audience this week here at my outpost?"
The fraud and douchebaggery that took place at East Anglia should tell you everything you need to know about "climate science" If it happened there, you can bet data is being fraudulently manipulated elsewhere as it's not about climate, it's about money and how they can take more of yours.
As I've said before, "Climate Science" isn't science.
Nothing you posted is remotely close to proof that humans have had zero impact on climate.That was my question, not "can you post as many wild-ass theories as possible."
It sounds like you are asking the man to prove a negative. It is the positive that needs proving.
Not by me it doesn't because I never said climate change was caused by humans. "Elkslayer" said "humans have had zero impact." It's a categorical statement that's hard to prove one way or the other. I asked for his proof and apparently he has none.
But that doesn't keep people like "elkslayer" from going on for pages, talking about communists, Saul Alnsky etc. until the cows come home without offering any proof to back up what they say.
[quote=antelope_sniper]As I've said before, "Climate Science" isn't science.
Nothing you posted is remotely close to proof that humans have had zero impact on climate.That was my question, not "can you post as many wild-ass theories as possible."
It sounds like you are asking the man to prove a negative. It is the positive that needs proving.
Originally Posted by smokepole
Not by me it doesn't because I never said climate change was caused by humans.
Originally Posted by smokepole
Nothing you posted is remotely close to proof that humans have had zero impact on climate.That was my question,
Anyone with an IQ above 80 can see the bolded above were you are specifically implying humans have caused climate change. You're getting your azz handed to you, and like all communists you obfuscate, and throw out false negatives to prove.
Originally Posted by smokepole
"Elkslayer" said "humans have had zero impact." It's a categorical statement that's hard to prove one way or the other. I asked for his proof and apparently he has none.
More obfuscating. I showed Mann's data was found Fraudulent by the courts, which proves 100% it's all a scam. You're choosing to ignore those facts I posted, and state I haven't posted proof, is laughable when everyone can read it right above, where you got your azz handed to you.
Originally Posted by smokepole
But that doesn't keep people like "elkslayer" from going on for pages, talking about communists, Saul Alnsky etc. until the cows come home without offering any proof to back up what they say.
I put you in CHECKMATE , and you're crying like all immature communists, and deflecting away from the facts posted. You're truly mentally sick, but damn good fun for a late night laugh.
Originally Posted by smokepole
F*ck people like that, who has time for it?
Post YOUR facts to prove me wrong. That's how debate works, you limp brain.
Face it biatch, you've never run into someone like me who can hand your azz to you like I can on the internet, and you being called out in using Communist Saul Alinsky's Rules for Radicals is burning your sphincter up knowing there's not a damn thing you can do about be outed for who you truly are, a liberal Communist, who believes in financially enslaving the public.
If you didn't want to be identified as a Communist "mr. scientist Climate Change lover", then maybe you should not align with the Communists, you traitor.
LOL, you're right "elslayer," I've never run into you, or anyone like you.
If you're lucky, I never will.
Still waiting for YOUR proof. Where is it?
I posted mine, Climate Change Professor Mann's data(Penn State Univ.), which was the basis for the whole climate change hoax, was proven fraudulent...which proves EVERYTHING stated about humans causing it is baseless.
It is a scientific reality that Earth’s climate has been changing warmer to colder and back for millennia without manmade interference. The real question is what can man do to alter the change. The real answer is not much... vote for the radical Dems and they will take lots of your cash and accomplish nothing. Believe it.
Hey Smokepole, if humans are causing climate change with their releasing of CO2, tell me, how are you going to stop China, India, Sub Saharan Africa from building “all” Coal fired energy plants to bring electricity to the regions without, so they can grow a middle class, being they want to emerge from poverty and Coal is their only resource to accomplish this task? I’m all ears.
How are you going to stop those billions of people from polluting the Urth when all they have available is Coal, and not CH4?
Oh, and by the way limp brain, we’ve cut our CO2 in half, and are at 1980’s levels, by switching from Coal to CH4 plants, so we really can’t cut anymore. We’ve done OUR part for mother urth.
Go move to the other side of the urth and push your Communist views, and get them to buy your humans cause global warming schtick…your I.Q. will fit right in with theirs.
Hey Smokepole, if humans are causing climate change with their releasing of CO2, tell me, how are you going to stop China, India, Sub Saharan Africa from building “all” Coal fired energy plants to bring electricity to the regions without, so they can grow a middle class, being they want to emerge from poverty and Coal is their only resource to accomplish this task? I’m all ears.
How are you going to stop those billions of people from polluting the Urth when all they have available is Coal, and not CH4?
Oh, and by the way limp brain, we’ve cut our CO2 in half, and are at 1980’s levels, by switching from Coal to CH4 plants, so we really can’t cut anymore. We’ve done OUR part for mother urth.
Go move to the other side of the urth and push your Communist views, and get them to buy your humans cause global warming schtick…your I.Q. will fit right in with theirs.
I have climbed in glaciated Mountain ranges from the Himalayas to Alaska and many of those have changed vastly in just the last 30 years so change of sorts is not the question. To proclaim knowledge of the cause and to attribute it to modern civilization is similar to proclaiming that you possess actual knowledge of gods design for mankind. Vanity, thy name is man.
mike r
This is my whole point: To proclaim knowledge and state an absolute in either direction i.e., either "all climate change is caused by humans" or "humans have zero impact" is ridiculous and unprovable.
Hey Smokepole, if humans are causing climate change with their releasing of CO2, tell me, how are you going to stop China, India, Sub Saharan Africa from building “all” Coal fired energy plants to bring electricity to the regions without, so they can grow a middle class, being they want to emerge from poverty and Coal is their only resource to accomplish this task? I’m all ears.
How are you going to stop those billions of people from polluting the Urth when all they have available is Coal, and not CH4?
Oh, and by the way limp brain, we’ve cut our CO2 in half, and are at 1980’s levels, by switching from Coal to CH4 plants, so we really can’t cut anymore. We’ve done OUR part for mother urth.
Go move to the other side of the urth and push your Communist views, and get them to buy your humans cause global warming schtick…your I.Q. will fit right in with theirs.
We could cut more.
We could go nuclear.
Hey Smokepole, do you support Nuclear power?
Yes, I do. Most of my career has been spent cleaning up contaminated sites for the DOD, including radionuclides. One site iin New Jersey was contaminated with plutonium ("the most toxic substance known to man!!"). But almost totally immobile in soil.
Nuclear waste is bad stuff but we have the capacity to contain it if we want to. We could put it all out at the Nevada Test Site, which is already so contaminated it'll never be cleaned up.
It''s funny, all I did was ask "elksalyer" to back up his categoricasl statement that humans have had zero impact on climate, and all of a suddn people start making assumptions about what I believe or don't believe.
All I did was ask a loudmouth know-it-all to back up what he said. He can't.
Hey Smokepole, if humans are causing climate change with their releasing of CO2, tell me, how are you going to stop China, India, Sub Saharan Africa from building “all” Coal fired energy plants to bring electricity to the regions without, so they can grow a middle class, being they want to emerge from poverty and Coal is their only resource to accomplish this task? I’m all ears.
How are you going to stop those billions of people from polluting the Urth when all they have available is Coal, and not CH4?
Oh, and by the way limp brain, we’ve cut our CO2 in half, and are at 1980’s levels, by switching from Coal to CH4 plants, so we really can’t cut anymore. We’ve done OUR part for mother urth.
Go move to the other side of the urth and push your Communist views, and get them to buy your humans cause global warming schtick…your I.Q. will fit right in with theirs.
LOL, I knew it would get around to this. I agree with this post 100% "elkslayer." It's not really a question of what's causing the esrth to warm, it's a question of what do we do about it. I'm in favor of doing what we can without hurting our economy.
And you're right, we need to get China, India, and everyone else on board or whatever we do is pointless.
And just so this fact doesn't escape your pointy little head, everything you've said above is 100% superfluous if your contention that humans have had zero impact is true.
So, if humans have zero impact on climate, why are China, India, reducing US-based CO2 emissions and the like even in the conversation?
Moron.
Originally Posted by ElkSlayer91
Hey Smokepole, are you waiting for your return call from the 24hr Call-in-Center of George Soros, to get you out of this jam you are in?
No, I'm waiting for you to offer any proof you can to back up your categorical statement. And just so we're clear, giving an example of one "researcher" who had his research blown away is not proof.
Ask yourself how many banks stoped loaning, developers stop developing, insurance companies won't insure any ocean front property anywhere in the world.
Any questions ?
Or, ask yourself which of our military branches have programs in place and are spending serious money right now due to climate change, The answer would be, all of them.
Banks will lend money and insurance companies will write policies wherever they think they can make money. They just raise their prices. We have good friends in Florida who own multiple residential properties on the southeast coast there, the keys, and in the Bahamas.
They are shrewd business-people. They stopped paying the high premiums because they figured it was cheaper to just repair the damage, when it happens.
And if a bank lent them money for a mortgage and the property got blown away a day after closing, the bank would get paid.
U.N. Official Reveals Real Reason Behind Warming Scare
FacebookTwitterLinkedInShare Licensing 2/10/2015 Economic Systems: The alarmists keep telling us their concern about global warming is all about man's stewardship of the environment. But we know that's not true. A United Nations official has now confirmed this.
At a news conference last week in Brussels, Christiana Figueres, executive secretary of U.N.'s Framework Convention on Climate Change, admitted that the goal of environmental activists is not to save the world from ecological calamity but to destroy capitalism.
"This is the first time in the history of mankind that we are setting ourselves the task of intentionally, within a defined period of time, to change the economic development model that has been reigning for at least 150 years, since the Industrial Revolution," she said.
Referring to a new international treaty environmentalists hope will be adopted at the Paris climate change conference later this year, she added: "This is probably the most difficult task we have ever given ourselves, which is to intentionally transform the economic development model for the first time in human history."
The only economic model in the last 150 years that has ever worked at all is capitalism. The evidence is prima facie: From a feudal order that lasted a thousand years, produced zero growth and kept workdays long and lifespans short, the countries that have embraced free-market capitalism have enjoyed a system in which output has increased 70-fold, work days have been halved and lifespans doubled.
Figueres is perhaps the perfect person for the job of transforming "the economic development model" because she's really never seen it work. "If you look at Ms. Figueres' Wikipedia page," notes Cato economist Dan Mitchell: Making the world look at their right hand while they choke developed economies with their left.
We must utterly destroy the climate change liars, or they will destroy this country and all of us!
Like the Chinese 100 year plan the Dems have their 100 year plan. Let anyone from anywhere into the USA so we can incorporate their eventual vote. Indoctrinate the young that CC is man made and climate can be controlled by politicians so we get their vote. Funny how in the discussion solar activity is left completely off the table i.e., flares, storms, variable temp changes due to earths varying orbits and speeds around the sun. Daily weather events are always mistaken as climate, weather analyzed over a significant time is climate. Realize that 70 million years ago T-Rex roamed an area in Alberta Canada where the fauna was sub tropical with climate similar to south Florida. C02 levels at times climbed close to 2,000 ppm. Today we’re alarmed at levels below 400 ppm, below 200 ppm and the planet will start to die off. Man made CC is the new hoax used to control population and of course energy use by taxation. It is a 21st century Marxist strategy that Marx himself would be proud of. One last thing, temperature controls the levels of C02 released, C02 levels do not drive temperature. The oceans absorb vast quantities of C02 and release vast quantities based on temperature. It’s a lot more complicated with many more important variables than man’s existence.
“Or, ask yourself which of our military branches have programs in place and are spending serious money right now due to climate change, The answer would be, all of them.“
Nothing you posted is remotely close to proof that humans have had zero impact on climate.
Originally Posted by smokepole
I asked for his proof and apparently he has none.
Originally Posted by smokepole
But that doesn't keep people like "elkslayer" from going on for pages…without offering any proof to back up what they say.
Originally Posted by smokepole
All I did was ask a loudmouth know-it-all to back up what he said. He can't.
Originally Posted by smokepole
No, I'm waiting for you to offer any proof you can to back up your categorical statement. And just so we're clear, giving an example of one "researcher" who had his research blown away is not proof.
Originally Posted by smokepole
I asked for his proof
Originally Posted by smokepole
giving an example of one "researcher" who had his research blown away is not proof.
Smokepole demonstrates above, exactly how a RABID COMMUNIST, brainwashed with Saul Alinsky’s “Rules for Radicals” tactics, ignores the facts, and keeps the pressure on by following the three rules below:
#8 - "Keep the pressure on." #10 - "The major premise for tactics is the development of operations that will maintain a constant pressure upon the opposition.” #13 - "Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.”
As you people can see above in this thread, I produced the facts and proof, while smokepole follows the COMMUNIST SAUL ALINSKY tactic of lie and deny, lie and deny until “his” lie becomes truth.
Everyone is posting “facts” while smokepole has posted “nothing” to support humans cause climate change. These communists “always” put the burden of proof on their opponents, just like smokepole is doing in this thread, while they obfuscate and lie, and NEVER post “anything” to support “their” lies...never.
Smokepole is extremely well groomed in Communist Saul Alinsky’s “Rules for Radicals” tactics.
These are the rabid mentally sick traitors who are aligned with the democrats to destroy capitalism, and take away your freedom slowly until you, and your families are enslaved by these tyrants, mostly because they are miserable in their mentally sick lives, and they want to force you to become just as miserable and unhappy as them.
This is why they want to destroy this country.
This is why the phaggots want to destroy your families.
They are all mentally sick.
EXAMPLE OF SEVERE MENTAL SICKNESS:
Originally Posted by SMOKEPOLE
giving an example of one "researcher" who had his research blown away is not proof.
“Or, ask yourself which of our military branches have programs in place and are spending serious money right now due to climate change, The answer would be, all of them.“
Congress said yes to military spending? For real?
Post a few attachments to show us which branches are spending funds on climate change. I haven't see that yet.
Smokepole demonstrates above, exactly how a RABID COMMUNIST, brainwashed with Saul Alinsky’s “Rules for Radicals” tactics, ignores the facts, and keeps the pressure on by following the three rules below:
#8 - "Keep the pressure on."
What, no mention of George Soros?? He's on my speed dial, did you know that LOL.
"Keep the pressure on??" Are you serious? You think this is "pressure?"
You made the categorical statement that "humans have had zero impact on the climate." All I did was ask for proof of your categorical statement. If you don't have proof, just say so, it's pretty simple.
If you think that's "keeping the pressure on," all I can say is, son, you need to get out more.
Lets prove, once again, smokepole’s lying here, shall we?
In the first quote below, QUOTE: 1, smokepole says, “It's a categorical statement that's hard to prove one way or the other.” That is how Communists give themselves an “out” from having to prove their side, since their side is all a lie.
In the second quote below, QUOTE: 2, you see where he misses where I started my statement with, “if humans are causing climate change…”, and he goes on to admit he agrees with humans being the cause 100%. I never said humans are the cause. I was simply pointing out you can’t control the rest of the developing world, which flew right over his LOW I.Q. brain.
Here is his lie, if it is “a categorical statement that's hard to prove one way or the other” as he claimed, then why is he agreeing 100% it is humans as the cause?
That would mean he has proof, so where is your proof smokepole?
He won’t answer that call to prove it, even though he agrees 100%, because as you see below, he spins it again by stating it doesn’t matter what’s causing it, it’s all about what are we gonna do.
Lie…deflect…LIE…deflect…LIE…deflect…The Communist’s game plan.
He ends his screed by attempting to be a conservative, and blend in here, with his “not wanting to hurt the economy”. How can throwing tax money at a scam not hurt the economy, Mr. Communist Smokepole?
QUOTE: 1
Originally Posted by smokepole
Not by me it doesn't because I never said climate change was caused by humans. "Elkslayer" said "humans have had zero impact." It's a categorical statement that's hard to prove one way or the other. I asked for his proof and apparently he has none.
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Originally Posted by smokepole
Originally Posted by elkslayer91
Hey Smokepole, if humans are causing climate change with their releasing of CO2, tell me, how are you going to stop China, India, Sub Saharan Africa from building “all” Coal fired energy plants to bring electricity to the regions without, so they can grow a middle class, being they want to emerge from poverty and Coal is their only resource to accomplish this task? I’m all ears.
LOL, I knew it would get around to this. I agree with this post 100% "elkslayer." It's not really a question of what's causing the esrth to warm, it's a question of what do we do about it. I'm in favor of doing what we can without hurting our economy.
And you're right, we need to get China, India, and everyone else on board or whatever we do is pointless.
we need to get China, India, and everyone else on board - Smokepole
There it is people. He agrees humans (China, India, USA) cause it, but you'll never see any post by him to prove it.
I posted proof, as many of you have too, and as everyone reading this can see, this Bi-Polar menatally sick Communist, wanting to destroy this nation byway of a scam, is still asking to see my proof after having posted it.
That is the batchit crazy Communist mental sickness we are fighting.
The military is converting to leadfree munitions where possible. Every mil firing range in the country is removing the lead or is scheduled to do so. Depleted Uranium in ammo is also being removed.This is just the start.
The answer to your original question regarding the reality of climate change is easy, Gus. Ask some twelve year old or, a reasonable equivalent, Al Gore.
The answer to your original question regarding the reality of climate change is easy, Gus. Ask some twelve year old or, a reasonable equivalent, Al Gore.
it's an exceedingly interesting subject for any of us who are willing to waste time thinking about and discussing it.
i like open ended challenges. i learned when i was hiding under my desk in elementary school that something strange was going on.
if we could further melt the north pole area down, and convert into water, a north passage way could be opened for trade and shipping.
lowering costs, and increasing efficiency.
should there be a tax toll booth at the north pole? and who should be collecting the taxes?
some of the crazies think that humans are the cause of all of it.
The answer to your original question regarding the reality of climate change is easy, Gus. Ask some twelve year old or, a reasonable equivalent, Al Gore.
it's an exceedingly interesting subject for any of us who are willing to waste time thinking about and discussing it.
i like open ended challenges. i learned when i was hiding under my desk in elementary school that something strange was going on.
if we could further melt the north pole area down, and convert into water, a north passage way could be opened for trade and shipping.
lowering costs, and increasing efficiency.
should there be a tax toll booth at the north pole? and who should be collecting the taxes?
some of the crazies think that humans are the cause of all of it.
The cause of this ice age was a mystery, until now: a new study in Science Advances argues that the ice age was caused by global cooling, triggered by extra dust in the atmosphere from a giant asteroid collision in outer space.There’s always a lot of dust from outer space floating down to Earth, little bits of asteroids and comets, but this dust is normally only a tiny fraction of the other dust in our atmosphere such as volcanic ash, dust from deserts and sea salt.
“We’ve shown that what happens in the solar system can have a big influence on Earth,” Heck. “Extraterrestrial events aren’t always destructive. Many people think about meteorites as just dinosaur killers, but we found the opposite. A big collision in the asteroid belt had constructive consequences that led to cooling and biodiversification.”
But when a 93-mile-wide asteroid between Mars and Jupiter broke apart 466 million years ago, it created way more dust than usual.
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