Not a good thing:

https://www.foxbusiness.com/lifestyle/young-people-quitting-jobs-why

The Snapping of the American Mind comes to fruition.

https://www.amazon.com/s?k=snapping...g=googhydr-20&ref=pd_sl_5cqn7nyo2l_e

How do these people support themselves? This is bad for those kids and bad for this country. I'm in my mid 50s, if Warren is elected I'm doing the same thing. I will retire with with Warrens health insurance and my saving, and retirement. Two years under her and this country will look like a Mad Max movie.

"Suck it up, Buttercup!" Can you imagine the response of today's bunch of snowflakes to an event like Pearl Harbor, or even 9/11? They would all go to their designated "safe space' and cuddle up with a teddy bear! Somehow us baby boomers have raised a couple of generations of whiny pansies with lace on their drawers who aren't even sure what their biological plumbing is for- - - - -let alone having a set of balls big enough to rise to the occasion when their very existence is in jeopardy!
Jerry

Can't take any pressure or demands & no sense of responsibility or ownership to take care of themselves; need to run to a "safe" place.

Sad.

MM

Higher living costs are causing them to quit? Isn't that backwards? Burnout? from what? 2 years of work?

The poor dears.

The surge in the popularity of Socialism is the result. The idea of something for nothing at someone else's expense is very appealing.

People tend to only do what they have to do. As long as Mommy and Daddy are providing a comfortable safety net there is no pain for doing stupid chit.

Democrats got what they want from the children.

This is how the participation trophy finally manifests.

My fear is the "real stuff" – clinical depression, acute anxiety disorder, unresolved grief, ptsd etc. risks being diminished by all those who may just simply lack mental toughness.

A younger friend of mine says I wouldn't believe the number of working, millennial-aged people who appear to be doing well, only because their parents are still subsidizing them to a significant degree. When you see the late 20's or early 30's couple with a nice house, nice cars, nice clothes, multiple kids, and jobs like high-school coach or fitness trainer, it's the previous generation picking up a good bit of the tab, more often than not. That's probably not a good trend for the long run.

If I was 35 and making pizzas for a living I know I'd be depressed

I did a presentation to some college Seniors this week. In it I pointed out to them that if they chose to live on the east or west coast in an urban area, if they had a $100K salary, 38% of their take home pay would go toward renting a 1 bedroom apartment.

Whereas if they chose to live in the midwest (outside Chicago) 22% of their income could land them a 3/2 starter home

I don't see too many depressed working Millienials in the midwest (well maybe a little in February)

There is no such thing as a starter house. The first must be the best. Same thing with every thing they own. Spoiled is the term I believe. I’m afraid they are in for a big awakening. Hasbeen

I've never had a problem with their work ethic. But their sense of entitlement is pretty bothersome

I am guessing the greatest generation said the same thing about my generation when we were 25 too

how can you compete with "when I was your age we were killing Nazi's....AND WE LIKED IT!"

One of the cousin's boyfriend (about23yr old) was telling me that at his QuikLube job they were all
"hung up on" being on time and showing up when scheduled.

I beleive the title of the article is a bit misleading. If I read the article correctly, it merely states that 50% have quit a job, not quit working altogether. Gotta take some of these articles with grain of salt.....if a survey asks if you've ever changed jobs because the job you had was miserable and you answer yes, they'd say you quit your job due to mental health reasons.

I will agree that the government is doing a lot of things to demoralize young folks and remove incentive to work....if you give people enough free stuff that they don't need to work much, while at the same time taxing them so badly that working seems useless, its not surprising that many people opt to quit a [bleep] job. Working towards an achievable goal is what keeps people motivated and feeling like that have purpose. If someone can't see a real benefit to the work they are doing, they probably won't do it long.

A new generation of kids who were not tested and can't stand the pressure. None of them had to survive WWII, Korea, Viet Nam, great depressions. Every thing has been handed to them. I don't see this reversing. America is moving into just another scene from the Hunger Games. kwg

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1392170/?ref_=vi_esc

When were in our early 20's, my wife graduated from pharmacy school with her doctorate degree one weekend, we got married the next weekend, and then we bought a small house the next year (about half the price of what the bank would have loaned us). We had all her student loans paid off the following year, while still driving our older, used cars. We waited another year to start a family. She says some of the students she works with these days have nearly $100k in student loan debt as they approach graduation, and she does her best to advise them to keep their apartment and their old car until the loans are gone, then start upgrading things and enjoying the fruits of their labor. I wonder how many might actually do that.

Thought they could not find jobs

So, I don't know if I am in the minority or what but I'm 33 and not at all subsidized by my now single mother who raised me. I work a $hit ton of hours some weeks, travel away from my family of two kids and a wife who I support on just my income M-F, and still somehow find the spare change to enjoy the hobby that has me on this forum. Though I've got the $ time is now a large constraint. I like to think that I work pretty hard though it is white collar work, I'm not out sweating my butt off in some machine shop or outdoors. I've come across people who think white collar work is not hard work and could never be...OK. I help FDA regulated companies improve their efficiency and product safety/quality.

I do have lots of acquaintances who I used to call friends. We used to be closer but being away from home so much I am not able to "hang out" as often and it would also seem that as the success gap between myself and them grows they don't want to associate with me any longer. Fine I guess. One of my highschool buddies started his own business and is doing well, he's pretty much the only one that I still talk to. Neither of us have terribly a lot of free time, product of working hard. Others are working in pretty menial jobs and seem to change jobs like they are changing their underwear. In my opinion it is the culture we've all been accustomed to now where everything is instant. Amazon stuff in two days or less, food delivered to your door with no effort put into cooking it, media on demand (Netflix) without ever leaving your couch. Think about it, people really don't have to work for damn near anything at all anymore, let alone work hard.

So when someone at work puts a difficult task in front of you, you have absolutely no idea how to even begin the thought process of how to navigate that situation. People don't have the tools, mentally, to be successful anymore. Schools have no discipline, things that seem challenging are straight up removed from curriculum or delayed until later. We instead need to be pushing our children to do more difficult things earlier. If some of them fail at the task, fine. They can try it again later. Failures are good, they build character and teach way more than a success does. When everything goes as planned, you don't learn nearly as much when there are problems that need to be fixed first.

IMO the solution is to get people who are graduating highschool and not interested in college into the trades. Those folks a few years into their career are pulling down six figures. People going into college for a liberal arts degree...need to be given about $10 to live on for a week for like a month and then ask them if that was fun. Tell them thats what they are asking for the rest of their life to be like in choosing that field. I got an engineering degree that today I use sparingly directly but indirectly it gave me problem solving skills I can apply to pretty much any company willing to pay me what I think my time is worth.

Nailed it...

I know more than my fair share of these kinds with degrees and advanced degrees that squander it away.

So many of the comments here are spot on and should be taken collectively. Too many of us as parents have fought our children's battles at school, with bullies, little league, cheerleading etc. and not let them work it out. Too many parents have tried to be their kids "friend" and not authority figure. Too many times parents have knuckled under when kids balk at direction or advice. "Oh, he/she, didn't want to do that so I did't make them". Or too many times the parents said "you must pick your battles" only never to fight one, important or not.

I see too that Pop Culture and school champions "chase your dream and be happy" above all else. Leads to major disappointment when kid chases the dream of being a museum curator with a secondary degree in creative writing only to find out there are only 1000 museums and hence only 1000 jobs in the whole country for them and only the top 50 pay anything, no body is leaving those jobs unless they get laid off, and you don't start at the top so they either have no job or a crappy paying one.

Then they discover that $200,000 of student loan debt they took because they HAD to go out of state to study creative writing and anthropology at Boulder or Stanford means they have a $2000±/MO loan payment every month FOR TEN YEARS! Didn't count on that. (Help me. Bernie! Liz?? Beto???)

I'm only getting started.

The poor babies. Thankfully, most still live with their parents so they have some support. In comparison, we had it so easy. We could go to work right out of high school at easy jobs in construction, logging, manufacturing, agriculture, etc. In addition we got the chance (mandatory) to work for the government and travel the world. These poor kids don't have these kinds of opportunities. No wonder they are so screwed up. GD

"It should come as no surprise that younger generations are paving the way for the de-stigmatization of mental health."

To de stigmatize mental health? Half of an entire generation are too mentally ill to work? BS!
They are too goddam lazy.

My nephew is 32, voted for Bernie, pays zero child support for his 3 children, hasn't had a job in 4 years. Loves socialism.

Wifey has several working for her, she hasn’t much use for them

WTF do you call Afghanistan and Iraq? Thousands of young men a woman proved their mettle there.
I am so sick of you old boomers ragging on the millenials. Yeah there are bad ones but do your old feeble minds remember the worthless hippies and other college dirt bags of our generation? Remember how our parents complained about us?
We were the ones that had everything handed to us from the greatest generation and we threw it away.
It's OUR generation that fugged up this country. It's OUR generation that raised this generation.
I have three kids that are all extremely successful, on their own. 90% of their friends they grew up with are all doing well.
I work and hunt with millenials. They are good people trying to deal with the mess WE handed them.

Kudos to RyanSinBA above^^^^^^.

I agree. I don't think this article is claiming that 50% of millennials have stopped working, but that 50% have left a job sometime in their lives due to their 'mental health'. I am guessing many of us have left jobs we hated for some reason or another. Part of the difference probably comes from the fact that older generations stigmatize 'mental health issues', and would therefore not admit to leaving a job for those reasons. Also, with disappearing manufacturing and other trade jobs, older people working longer, plus the great recession, a lot of the millennials have been doing crappy jobs in retail, services, etc.

It's a mind set the majority of them have! They are at that age where they think "I'll just quit and go work somewhere else". But eventually they will be in that age group where the employer will see that they are too old or whatever. I've seen good friends of mine whose kids have a good paying job and quit just like that for no good reason other than they get their feelings hurt! Crazy as long term employment is no longer the norm!

I've watched many of the youtube street racing channels and see hordes of 35 years old and down [some early 20's] with a nice home - $60K truck -tow trailers - 2-3 or more high tech race cars in their 5 car garage . New $95K nissan gtr with $100,000.oo in mods . They spill their whole life out on youtube/twitter/instagram/et. al. and never mention a job or anything pertaining to work .
Some of these cars would cost $250K to build .

I worked in the offshore oil industry in the 80's and detailed cars - bought sold/flipped cars/trucks on my days off . I couldn't afford a tenth of the stuff that i see todays youth with - no doubt what JPro said is true .

Guy i BS with at the gym - has a nephew + girlfriend who struck out onto the road living ''the van life'' - yeah . Trying to make ends meet by becoming youtube stars .
Parents helped with the van cost getting it rigged out for urban survival - meaning i-pads/x-box/++ ect. etc. . I said what do they do -answer; nothing just hang out i guess , times have changed .

Fuggin Millennials!

Wonder how unemployment is so low with everyone under 40 not working?

Guess the front lines are full of Reservist Walmart greeters....

Today's young people are too soft and their feelings too easily hurt. We raised them. They've had it too easy and expect everything to be cushy, no hardships.

Good point. 327 million Americans, 83 million of which are Millenials and only a 3% unemployment rate. A few of them must have jobs.

When I was young and went to Alaska I hung out for a while. A friend and I were looking for work. But we stayed in a shack that you could see through the walls with no water or sewer. Damn glad we found work before winter or it would have really sucked. Nobody was sending us money to live on. This was in the early 70s. Times change. Ed k

There is also the possibility that Fox Business might be wrong.

To be fair, when I was in my teens and early twenties, I quit a bunch of jobs. If another offer was better or if it was in a location I liked better, I might quit. If I didn't get along with the foreman, I might quit. I was a little thin skinned at times. It is also worth pointing out that challenges are much different today than they were 50+ years ago. There is no question, society is more complex and expectations are different.
Back then, I could buy a new car for three months pay. I could buy a house for a years pay. I wouldn't even be allowed to live in that house today; CPS would take my kids away!
As much as I bitch about lazy kids, I'm not sure I'd want to be in their shoes. In fact, I'm pretty sure I wouldn't. GD

They have to get to work!
I can't have my social security check bounce!

Get an advanced degree in Outdoor Masturbation- - - - -rack up $100K student debt in the process- - - - -find out there's only a dozen jobs nationwide that demand those qualifications, and spend most of your time whining and feeling sorry for yourself! Go ahead and moan and groan- - - -the rest of the world isn't going to give a damn. Develop a skill that's in demand, with 10 jobs available for every qualified applicant, and I'll bet your lifestyle and your self-image will suddenly get a lot better!
Jerry

Right on....



Yep - parenting's a missing commodity these days..

Jobs available by the boatload....but these 'phone-pokers' don't wanna work..

I have seen this with several kids out of college at my company. Engineers, out of school and have a dream, cause they have been told they matter, they can make a difference, they will do great things etc...

These kids have this false sense of self worth. They have the illusion that they need to be fulfilled in their jobs and careers, that they need to love their job, do what they love or whatever other BS their heads are filled with.

Result is quitting after their false expectations of their career choice are not met.

Somewhere along the way people forget to mention that work often times sucks major ass, that starting out from nothing is miserable, that most people struggle through the early part of their career. We scrape by, we claw, we save, we go through hard times, then if we are lucky and we stick with it, things start to fall our way. We get that promotion, and we start to see that this job that was a source of misery is not, and after all these years, its a source of pride and fulfillment.

It takes some resolve and grit to get to the point in these kids careers that they want to be when they start out, and they are giving up within a few years.

Millennials are just a product of previous generations who managed to screw them up.

Deck is stacked against them, that is for sure.

The mental health side of it is just another scheme for the insurance companies to rake in the dough. They know the parents of this generation are still willing to pony up for lil Jimmy / Susie to feel more happier.

A engineer buddy of mine with nearly thirty years in has to deal with newbie engineers. He's said similar things in many conversations. There was a big stink at his work because one of the perks of long successful service was an assigned, numbered parking spot. It's nice to have a spot near your particular entrance when the building is over a mile long. The newbies protested about having to circle the lot trying to get a good spot. "It's not fair." "Why should they get a spot because they have seniority?" The typical waah waah I don't want to pay the dues crybaby stuff.

I did a reverse pro forma on the computer for my son when he was making noises about moving out, maybe quitting school, and getting a job. Okay, let’s list your expense items and put a dollar to them. Rent, food, phone, the whole shebang, including a margin to save each month for when you need to buy new tires. A surprisingly (to him) exhaustive list.

Okay, now dollar amounts. Sum the column. That’s a pretty big number. Can we pare something down? Maybe you don’t get your favorite pizza five nights a week. Maybe you take the bus to work and sell the car. Reality check.

At 40 hours a week (holy crap, eight hours a day?) how much would you have to take home to cover this amount? Okay, if that’s your take home, how much do you have to gross to net the right amount? (Taxes?)

Big number, right? Now let’s calculate your hourly rate of pay, based on those 40 hours, that gets to that number. Shocking, that number is waaaay out of your skill set.

Pull your head out of your a$$, finish school, then decide on a trade or college.





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The snot nosed chitsticks haven't been working anyway, we've all worked and funded the retirements of the generations in front of us like we should, there's not much work being done behind us fellas.

God help us if we ever need everybody on board to win a war like in 1941-45.

The environment changed. When I graduated it was an expectation that if you did your job you could work in the same place for forty-five years and retire, that you would have healthcare benefits.

While that turned out to be an illusion, it was still an expectation. People hung-on because of healthcare for the kids or because they were too old to start over.

Now there is not even the illusion of working for the same firm for more than five or ten years. Even if you stay in the same position the parent company changes and your "time" gets re-zeroed.

Changing your job more often than your cell-phone plan is rational in an environment where there is no loyalty back to the worker and the only way to get ahead is to change jobs.

I admire their cajones.

Yup. And after the soccer trophies comes the college degree trophy that they think entitles them to make believe life they’re living on social media.

It all crashes down when they realize they ain’t as special as everyone told them they were.

Straight A’s doesn’t mean squat when you’ve got your head up your ass....

i work with quite a few of these types. we have very flexible schedules. apparently flexible enough that some folks work about 20 hours a week for their 100-150k. i'm 58 and i've never seen such work practices in my 38 years in the industry. and don't get me started on the "work from home" scam. holy fugg. me and a guy i work with who is in his late 40's both shake our heads when some of these folks call in "sick" and then show up a few days later looking no worse for the wear. we have it made and some folks are going to ruin it for everyone. i saw a similiar thing 20 years ago right before the "dot com" bubble blew. i'm piling up cash and waiting for the next recession to gut our industry. probably happen right before i am i ready to retire.

These kids better toughen up or learn to live like those in the 3rd world. I discuss the future w/ my grandkids often and tell them that there are many people around the world that are succeeding despite being raised in horrible environments. Those folks are not going to settle for anything less than what they see as normal in the western cultures and will be eager to take it away from the weak. The world's population will exceed 9 billion in their lifetime and the competition will increase exponentially.

Only the strong will survive.


mike r

I'm pretty proud of my son. I signed for him to join the Marine Corps at 17. He finished High School in May, and shipped out to Parris Island in July. He ended up finding his way to an MOS as a Bulk Fuel Specialist, and has been handling the dispensation of jet fuel for his entire enlistment. He, and others in his section, who are about to leave active service were recruited by one of the big fuel companies to work in the oil fields. I enjoyed helping him put together a resume when he was in the hiring process and very pleased when he would call to tell me about how his interview went. Such a good feeling as a parent, to have your kid tell you how excited they are, that they will be supporting themselves and their families.

BINGO!

Lotta belly aching by old pharts with their feelings hurt.

G o F u c K Y o u r s e l f.

Work Ethic is what built the US, scumbags like you will bring it down.


I work with a bunch of Millenials BTW they all have a strong work ethic , maybe they are an outlier .

I’m glad I’m not the only one who deals with this. Boggles my mind how they use their sick time as fast as it’s accrued. Getting full time pay / benefits for barely working part time hours is very discouraging to say the least. It starts at the top though.

Nobody is teaching or instilling value in toughness and resiliency. I am all for promoting goodness and kindness, but with the realization that every single human will have to deal with azzholes and adversity at some point. Our young people are horribly ill prepared to deal with real life.

Heck there’s Indians and white trash idiots around here that haven’t worked since welfare started. Age has nothing to do with it, laziness does.

I’m 32, been working for money since I was 14, full time since I graduated trade school at 20. When I did a stint welding on oilfield stuff for a couple years I was the old guy more often than not. Lots of 18-20 something year olds hitting it hard in the patch and making some serious cash. My generation, I guess I’m a millennial, is just like you old guys’ generation. Some of us are gogetters, some of us are lazy asses, some are smart and some are idiots. But still just people just like always.

I’m a gen x, I’ve seen lazy fookers and go getters from about every generation. I have a new intern that just got out of college that is an absolute genius and has social skills. A very rare bird in the engineering world. We just posted 20 jobs for the floor that only require a GED and clean piss test. Starting salary is just over $25 an hour and we still struggle getting enough applicants.

Hurt feelings and a hair trigger. Hahaha.

Describes you to a T .

Yep, lots of young guys in the Bakken.

People wrongly assume that the amount the bank will loan them is also the amount they can afford to pay.

I hire young folks when I can, but only a tiny percentage know enough to be worth the effort... or are willing enough to learn.

Damn crying shame for sure.

Had a young fella (that had done some $20/hour roofing for me a while back) ask if I had more work for him.

I told him I had $10/hr. work, $15/hr work and $50/hr work.

He told me he would take the $50/hour work.

I asked if he had his own HVAC gauges and tools.

He asked me what HVAC was...

Idk...I got a 14 year old boy that plans on running heavy equipment. Wants to play a little football at tech school while taking some business courses to get a few pieces of iron of his own. School is paid for of course...by his JOB. He's saving for a pick-up too. Kid could work circles around most guys I work with.

I left an office full of millenials a few weeks back. Other than being kinda whiney and not knowing how to talk in a construction trailer, they were pretty hard workers.

Our industry is really struggling with them. They can’t stay off their phones.

I'm not so sure. We have exceptions but have seen the same.

THAT is quickly becoming an issue. Kids have a hard time seeing they don't have to keep up with the Joneses.

Humans have a hard time accepting that the Joneses are best left to themselves.

If that is true, why does inflation adjusted GDP per capita continue to grow?

I agree that those of working should fund commitments for basic care for retirees, this is an important entitlement program. I disagree that the solvency problem that entitlement program faces is due to a lack of “work” being delivered, more that the program has been expanded without a corresponding increase in funding.

Hatari and Calvin for the win!

People haven't changed significantly in a thousand years.

Repeat that in your head.

We are intrinsically lazy and selfish.
We like pleasure, we dislike discomfort.

Those suddenly surbuban and affluent parents in the mid century
spoiled you baby boomers. Suck that up Buttercup. They made
sure you finished high school, got educated. Way better start than they got.

I'm in a crack. 1969 birth year. My parents weren't boomers, a bit older.

Boomers, already spoiled, spoiled their kids even more.
Used to be, kids played sports, at home parents ask about the game.
Not Boomers and following parents. I'm taking a vacation day Monday
to drive 40 miles and watch a District tennis match.

Suck it up Butter cups, we as parents are to blame for the crops we raised.

As kids have moved off the farm, and not had to truly work,
things have slid.

My daughter is 16, plays sports and is in accelerated academic classes.
She has a job.
She got called in Tuesday immediately following an after school tennis match. They needed her, she went.

Very few of her compatriots work.
All have money, many have a car of their own.
The smart, affluent, high class kids are being taught to suck the titty bottle.

Ironic, but the Vo-tech, general studies, poor kids are the ones I see that
are working.

God forbid, who would peel the potatoes now?

The kids today are less into mortgages than previous generations.

They are budget conscious for sure.

Out of necessity I suppose!

Well that is not as much their fault as it is the parents fault.

Their parents, and their parents parents were not willing to do the study and pay any attention to the foundations of history and righteousness. And so we have a largely self-centered generation who raised a largely self-centered generation, who then gave the USA a super self centered generation who work hardest at finding excuses.

And someone is surprised?

This is called Sowing and Reaping. And now with them wanting to be labeled as mentally ill, (for the "benefit" of free care and "no stress") it will be legal to disarm them, and to deny them voting rights in the future ----- as soon as their "leaders" figure they have served their purpose to augment the communist plan.

Sorry folks, but this fault is OURS not theirs.
Individual responsibility is the foundation of freedom.
"Group think" and victim mentality is the stand of slaves.

Pigs LOVE lots of free food that fattens them up. Their fatness is not a problem because nothing is required of them.........as long as they are alive. They never wonder why the food is free. They just expect it and scream when it's late. But one day there is no food, and that gives their guts a chance to empty. They scream loud and yet their masters do not feed them. They are given only water.
Then they are butchered.
And the masters get a good profit.

Socialism is nothing more then raising people as livestock, and manipulating them toward a purpose of profits and power of the "elite".
I say again: Individual responsibility is the foundation of freedom. "Group think" and victim mentality is the stand of slaves. And they do stand for it. Standing for freedom is just "too hard for them". Ask them and they will tell you so.

Lots of anxiety on here.

It's just different words. We used to tell the a-hole, overly demanding boss "take this job and shove it". The current generation quits because they feel "anxious" or whatever the current trending pop-psych term is.

Nothing changes, human being haven't changed, just the verbage we use, and the economic circumstances. The 60's happened because of the roaring 50's, and the economic flexibility allowed the boomers to become brats. My generation came of age during the 70' and 80's during stagflation and decades long double digit unemployment. Yeah, we busted our arse to get and keep a job. Today, with the Trump economy, these kids are behaving like the boomers in the 60's; they don't have to put up with crap at work because there's plenty of other jobs where this one came from and at better pay and benefits.

I remember when we used to work 74 hour days for no pay!

That was the way we liked it!

Nowadays these gay kids wont even work 65 hour days for no pay!

The end is near!

You also have to factor in the actual employer. In the Age of Super CEO's who cut cut cut I feel for people thave have to face a few decades of rocky employment.

My boss offered anyone that was interested 20 bucks an hour out of his pocket (tax free) to come in on a Friday Night, Work Saturday and Sunday moving desks and setting up cables in another part of the building. He had not takers.

The GDP continues to grow because of the inclusion of "services" which are not a real product. The books are cooked. GD

Only in the US would that seem normal.

How else would you afford a Disney trip or that 75 inch TV?

Its okay to yard your tired carcass off the hamster wheel once in a while!

One thing for sure is that it much tougher for millennials to enter the industry’s that I am in, compared to what previous generations had to do. Things are pretty well locked up by the boomers who were first and managed to give themselves permits, quota, etc while freezing out the generations to come.

Don’t even get me going on land prices etc.

At my 'off the farm' job, we have a wide spectrum of employees from 19 to 67 years old. I am in the middle at 45. We seem to have 'rock stars' and 'duds' at every age level. I have a 25 year old guy that works like a wild man, has a sensible house, two young kids, and a stay at home wife. I wish I could clone him about 30 times over.

I also have a 62 year old guy that basically refuses to learn the new technology, and has been coasting for awhile. He does about half as much as the young guy. He does talk a good game in the break room though, so he does have that going for him.

I will say this, if your computer is giving you fits, you ask the 19 year old intern for help, not the 60+ year old guys.

On another note, I have noticed the twenty somethings are a lot less materialistic than the Boomers. They want basic, reliable cars, small houses with small payments. They are more interested in travel than owning 'stuff'. Can't say I blame them.

You think millennials are bad, wait till the smart phone generation hits the job market.

There's an app for that.

I'm not sure about that, I haven't looked into it. I'm talking about consumer goods.

Best friend John works part time with an excavation contractor. The contractors son will be running a skidsteer and stop midstream, shut it down, and talk on his phone, or PLAY GAMES, for 5 minutes, then start back up and keep going. Yesterday a customer complained. Interesting to see where that goes since MOM and DAD are the enablers that created this entitled prick.

Technically, I am a first or second year millennial. Born in 1982, I turned 37 this summer. I tried a couple of years in college to get a biology degree (all out of pocket, no loans) but for various reasons, I had to quit college and start working full time. Shortly after that, I bought a small starter home in 2006. When I got tired of my auto parts store position not providing enough to cover the bills and leave some for toys and savings, I entered into an apprenticeship at the local shipyard.

12 years later, I'm still at the same company and manage a team of 30 planners that support all aspects of the company. I am currently pulling a low 6 figure salary and often look back at some of my choices in life. I wonder if completing college would have put me in a better spot. I wanted to be a marine biologist something fierce. Seeing a few of my coworkers with thousands upon thousands of dollars in student loans has me thinking I have done okay.

My wife stays at home and home-schools our daughter. We just bought another house last summer...an older home in good shape with more room for the family to move about. Mortgage is less than $150K and notes are well within my financial capabilities. I still drive my '02 Dodge 2500 but just had to buy my wife a newer vehicle after she got side-swiped on the interstate. We found a 2012 GMC Accadia with less than 80K miles on it that we paid $10K cash for. The starter home has now become a rental property that is paying for itself.

I always called my father "CHEAP" growing up but I guess his habits have rubbed off on me. I agree with him now and call it "FRUGAL." I am not flush with cash...but definitely not poor either. I am doing everything I can to dump money into savings and retirement...definitely keeping my eyes on financial independence and retirement. Early retirement if possible.

We all spend too damn much on consumer goods.

I think thats where all this debt is from.

I did read where the young folks are buying homes less often....preferring to rent.

You've just described my next door neighbors.

Group condemnation is rarely correct. I have 2 grandkids in college, Ohio State and SMU. Both are engineering majors. One is a division 1 athlete the other finished a full ironman recently. Both had paid internships this summer. They consider 16 hour days a treat.

There have always been winners and losers. I have observed frequently on here that many resent those that are successful and affluent even if earned by great effort and talent. It is far easier to criticize than it is to win.


mike r

I've worked that many a week. Often.

Millennials ARE the smart phone generation. Not that others are not also addicted to the thing.

People don’t pay for services? There is nothing in the definition of GDP, now or ever in the past, that restricts it to physical products.

You need to get out more.

How so. Ever been on a college campus? Everyone of them are looking at that phone as they walk.

Not even close. Smartphone generation is about 16!and under. Addicted to Fortnight, YouTube, TikTok. Parents can’t hardly put down the phone themselves to parent. Dads sit on 24hour Campfire all day complaining about millennials etc. (grin)

There were no smart phones when I was a kid.

Not a single one.


Home computers were not common, although a neighbor had an Atari.



We had no internet, and the woman who answered when you dialed zero could get quite cross with you.



We were introduced to smart phones at the same time all you other J Rods were introduced to them.


In fact, when they first came out we did not have money enough to buy them.

I know little to nothing about smart phones or younger generations..... but I do know many here spend a large amount of time on the campfire and I would wager many are doin it on company time....hmmmm

Yeah, I wasn't going to say anything, but anybody that has many, many, thousands of posts on the CF is probably getting plenty of screen time themselves.

The last time I recall was when I was graduated.

Regardless, most of the students on them are Zoomers not Millenials. Those I’ve been around are much more addicted to their phones than Millenials, and less likely to accept having to put them down.

"Best friend John works part time with an excavation contractor. The contractors son will be running a skidsteer and stop midstream, shut it down, and talk on his phone, or PLAY GAMES, for 5 minutes, then start back up and keep going. Yesterday a customer complained. Interesting to see where that goes since MOM and DAD are the enablers that created this entitled prick."

Half the problem of millennials is the G-D Iphone. A big exec at the trucking company where I used to work told me that self driving trucks are the thing of the future, because you have to drive an 18 wheeler 11 hours a day, to get the job done. And this exec told me, you cannot get a millennial to go 11 hours without texting on his damned Iphone.

So in the trucks of the future, to cater to the millennial babies, the driver will get the truck onto the interstate, then he will go in the back and sit on the bed, and send text messages on his Iphone, until the truck gets him to the exit several hours down the road. Then he will drive the truck on the side roads, to the terminal.

If they're snowflaking so badly (and mass killing, for that matter), don't you think that the psychology of computerization and cell phony "interaction" is having an impact on basic human behavior? A BAD impact? Young brains have apparently been being wired wrong.

Oh yeah...govt contractors and some active duty.

Some may have even had to change their screen names.