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"Suck it up, Buttercup!" Can you imagine the response of today's bunch of snowflakes to an event like Pearl Harbor, or even 9/11? They would all go to their designated "safe space' and cuddle up with a teddy bear! Somehow us baby boomers have raised a couple of generations of whiny pansies with lace on their drawers who aren't even sure what their biological plumbing is for- - - - -let alone having a set of balls big enough to rise to the occasion when their very existence is in jeopardy!
Jerry
Right on.... Today's young people are too soft and their feelings too easily hurt. We raised them. They've had it too easy and expect everything to be cushy, no hardships. Yep - parenting's a missing commodity these days.. Thought they could not find jobs  Jobs available by the boatload....but these 'phone-pokers' don't wanna work..
Ex- USN (SS) '66-'69
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LET'S GO BRANDON!!!
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I have seen this with several kids out of college at my company. Engineers, out of school and have a dream, cause they have been told they matter, they can make a difference, they will do great things etc...
These kids have this false sense of self worth. They have the illusion that they need to be fulfilled in their jobs and careers, that they need to love their job, do what they love or whatever other BS their heads are filled with.
Result is quitting after their false expectations of their career choice are not met.
Somewhere along the way people forget to mention that work often times sucks major ass, that starting out from nothing is miserable, that most people struggle through the early part of their career. We scrape by, we claw, we save, we go through hard times, then if we are lucky and we stick with it, things start to fall our way. We get that promotion, and we start to see that this job that was a source of misery is not, and after all these years, its a source of pride and fulfillment.
It takes some resolve and grit to get to the point in these kids careers that they want to be when they start out, and they are giving up within a few years.
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Millennials are just a product of previous generations who managed to screw them up.
Deck is stacked against them, that is for sure.
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The mental health side of it is just another scheme for the insurance companies to rake in the dough. They know the parents of this generation are still willing to pony up for lil Jimmy / Susie to feel more happier.
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I have seen this with several kids out of college at my company. Engineers, out of school and have a dream, cause they have been told they matter, they can make a difference, they will do great things etc...
These kids have this false sense of self worth. They have the illusion that they need to be fulfilled in their jobs and careers, that they need to love their job, do what they love or whatever other BS their heads are filled with.
Result is quitting after their false expectations of their career choice are not met.
Somewhere along the way people forget to mention that work often times sucks major ass, that starting out from nothing is miserable, that most people struggle through the early part of their career. We scrape by, we claw, we save, we go through hard times, then if we are lucky and we stick with it, things start to fall our way. We get that promotion, and we start to see that this job that was a source of misery is not, and after all these years, its a source of pride and fulfillment.
It takes some resolve and grit to get to the point in these kids careers that they want to be when they start out, and they are giving up within a few years. A engineer buddy of mine with nearly thirty years in has to deal with newbie engineers. He's said similar things in many conversations. There was a big stink at his work because one of the perks of long successful service was an assigned, numbered parking spot. It's nice to have a spot near your particular entrance when the building is over a mile long. The newbies protested about having to circle the lot trying to get a good spot. "It's not fair." "Why should they get a spot because they have seniority?" The typical waah waah I don't want to pay the dues crybaby stuff.
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I did a reverse pro forma on the computer for my son when he was making noises about moving out, maybe quitting school, and getting a job. Okay, let’s list your expense items and put a dollar to them. Rent, food, phone, the whole shebang, including a margin to save each month for when you need to buy new tires. A surprisingly (to him) exhaustive list.
Okay, now dollar amounts. Sum the column. That’s a pretty big number. Can we pare something down? Maybe you don’t get your favorite pizza five nights a week. Maybe you take the bus to work and sell the car. Reality check.
At 40 hours a week (holy crap, eight hours a day?) how much would you have to take home to cover this amount? Okay, if that’s your take home, how much do you have to gross to net the right amount? (Taxes?)
Big number, right? Now let’s calculate your hourly rate of pay, based on those 40 hours, that gets to that number. Shocking, that number is waaaay out of your skill set.
Pull your head out of your a$$, finish school, then decide on a trade or college.
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Obey lawful commands. Video interactions. Hold bad cops accountable. Problem solved.
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The snot nosed chitsticks haven't been working anyway, we've all worked and funded the retirements of the generations in front of us like we should, there's not much work being done behind us fellas.
Trump Won!
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God help us if we ever need everybody on board to win a war like in 1941-45.
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The environment changed. When I graduated it was an expectation that if you did your job you could work in the same place for forty-five years and retire, that you would have healthcare benefits.
While that turned out to be an illusion, it was still an expectation. People hung-on because of healthcare for the kids or because they were too old to start over.
Now there is not even the illusion of working for the same firm for more than five or ten years. Even if you stay in the same position the parent company changes and your "time" gets re-zeroed.
Changing your job more often than your cell-phone plan is rational in an environment where there is no loyalty back to the worker and the only way to get ahead is to change jobs.
I admire their cajones.
I am a conservative with a lowercase "c".
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This is how the participation trophy finally manifests.
Nailed it... Yup. And after the soccer trophies comes the college degree trophy that they think entitles them to make believe life they’re living on social media. It all crashes down when they realize they ain’t as special as everyone told them they were. Straight A’s doesn’t mean squat when you’ve got your head up your ass....
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i work with quite a few of these types. we have very flexible schedules. apparently flexible enough that some folks work about 20 hours a week for their 100-150k. i'm 58 and i've never seen such work practices in my 38 years in the industry. and don't get me started on the "work from home" scam. holy fugg. me and a guy i work with who is in his late 40's both shake our heads when some of these folks call in "sick" and then show up a few days later looking no worse for the wear. we have it made and some folks are going to ruin it for everyone. i saw a similiar thing 20 years ago right before the "dot com" bubble blew. i'm piling up cash and waiting for the next recession to gut our industry. probably happen right before i am i ready to retire.
My diploma is a DD214
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These kids better toughen up or learn to live like those in the 3rd world. I discuss the future w/ my grandkids often and tell them that there are many people around the world that are succeeding despite being raised in horrible environments. Those folks are not going to settle for anything less than what they see as normal in the western cultures and will be eager to take it away from the weak. The world's population will exceed 9 billion in their lifetime and the competition will increase exponentially.
Only the strong will survive.
mike r
Don't wish it were easier
Wish you were better
Stab them in the taint, you can't put a tourniquet on that.
Craig Douglas ECQC
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I'm pretty proud of my son. I signed for him to join the Marine Corps at 17. He finished High School in May, and shipped out to Parris Island in July. He ended up finding his way to an MOS as a Bulk Fuel Specialist, and has been handling the dispensation of jet fuel for his entire enlistment. He, and others in his section, who are about to leave active service were recruited by one of the big fuel companies to work in the oil fields. I enjoyed helping him put together a resume when he was in the hiring process and very pleased when he would call to tell me about how his interview went. Such a good feeling as a parent, to have your kid tell you how excited they are, that they will be supporting themselves and their families.
"The number one problem with America is, a whole lot of people need shot, and nobody is shooting them."
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The surge in the popularity of Socialism is the result. BINGO!
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Lotta belly aching by old pharts with their feelings hurt.
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Lotta belly aching by old pharts with their feelings hurt. G o F u c K Y o u r s e l f. Work Ethic is what built the US, scumbags like you will bring it down. I work with a bunch of Millenials BTW they all have a strong work ethic , maybe they are an outlier .
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i work with quite a few of these types. we have very flexible schedules. apparently flexible enough that some folks work about 20 hours a week for their 100-150k. i'm 58 and i've never seen such work practices in my 38 years in the industry. and don't get me started on the "work from home" scam. holy fugg. me and a guy i work with who is in his late 40's both shake our heads when some of these folks call in "sick" and then show up a few days later looking no worse for the wear. I’m glad I’m not the only one who deals with this. Boggles my mind how they use their sick time as fast as it’s accrued. Getting full time pay / benefits for barely working part time hours is very discouraging to say the least. It starts at the top though.
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Nobody is teaching or instilling value in toughness and resiliency. I am all for promoting goodness and kindness, but with the realization that every single human will have to deal with azzholes and adversity at some point. Our young people are horribly ill prepared to deal with real life.
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Heck there’s Indians and white trash idiots around here that haven’t worked since welfare started. Age has nothing to do with it, laziness does.
I’m 32, been working for money since I was 14, full time since I graduated trade school at 20. When I did a stint welding on oilfield stuff for a couple years I was the old guy more often than not. Lots of 18-20 something year olds hitting it hard in the patch and making some serious cash. My generation, I guess I’m a millennial, is just like you old guys’ generation. Some of us are gogetters, some of us are lazy asses, some are smart and some are idiots. But still just people just like always.
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I’m a gen x, I’ve seen lazy fookers and go getters from about every generation. I have a new intern that just got out of college that is an absolute genius and has social skills. A very rare bird in the engineering world. We just posted 20 jobs for the floor that only require a GED and clean piss test. Starting salary is just over $25 an hour and we still struggle getting enough applicants.
CK
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