Does anyone besides me think this is pure bullschit?
I haven’t heard about it.
I dont think it's BS. Imagine you're a company and you were blamed for burning down all those houses and loss of lives. You were not allowed to properly clear the right of ways to prevent fires, but you were blamed for the loses and had settlements and fines levied against you. Now you're still in business, but cant pay the monies owed, so you file bankruptcy. To prevent further fires, you cut the power........ no electricity flowing thru the lines, no fires if trees fall on it.
I do think the power company, PG&E, cut the power to the wrong people. If they supply Sacramento, capitol of CA., they should have started there with the power outage, then went to SF, LA, etc. Those are the people that ham-strung the power company in the first place and should be the first ones without power.
I dont think it's BS. Imagine you're a company and you were blamed for burning down all those houses and loss of lives. You were not allowed to properly clear the right of ways to prevent fires, but you were blamed for the loses and had settlements and fines levied against you. Now you're still in business, but cant pay the monies owed, so you file bankruptcy. To prevent further fires, you cut the power........ no electricity flowing thru the lines, no fires if trees fall on it.
I do think the power company, PG&E, cut the power to the wrong people. If they supply Sacramento, capitol of CA., they should have started there with the power outage, then went to SF, LA, etc. Those are the people that ham-strung the power company in the first place and should be the first ones without power.
What?! The power company can't clear the rights-of way where they have power lines?
That is REALLY strange!
john
Pie-in-the-sky-enviromentalists causing death and destruction up and down
the left coast.
PGE gets sued if they provide power. They get sued if they DON"T provide power. A lose/lose situation for them
I thought PG&E got shafted on that court case and don't blame them for cutting power. There's an inherent risk to running electrical power and we all bear that risk for the convenience of electrifying our country. The subsequent fire was devastating and the loss of life terrible. Unless it was determined PG&E was grossly negligent in correcting an obvious hazard after being repeatedly notified of the hazard, I can't see how that ruling ever stood. From what I read, I believe there were some issues with right-of-way access too.
California is an ongoing study in the perverse and absurd.
And "they" seem proud of it.
PGE gets sued if they provide power. They get sued if they DON"T provide power. A lose/lose situation for them
PG&E, ain't no angel Sam....
CA is screwed up on both sides of the equation....
and there is too much for people to believe its all just that simple...
Randy did submit the best solution tho to the problem...
but CA is a testing ground for governmental control of the population, by giving and taking away their electrical power..
The 31 counties where power was cut, had Police Depts and local Militia anticipating a major increase in crimes while the power was cut....and cities had armed militia patrolling the streets...
you boys back east probably didn't hear that on the news reports I'd bet....
we certainly heard it on the local news on the radio out this way...
I dont think it's BS. Imagine you're a company and you were blamed for burning down all those houses and loss of lives. You were not allowed to properly clear the right of ways to prevent fires, but you were blamed for the loses and had settlements and fines levied against you. Now you're still in business, but cant pay the monies owed, so you file bankruptcy. To prevent further fires, you cut the power........ no electricity flowing thru the lines, no fires if trees fall on it.
I do think the power company, PG&E, cut the power to the wrong people. If they supply Sacramento, capitol of CA., they should have started there with the power outage, then went to SF, LA, etc. Those are the people that ham-strung the power company in the first place and should be the first ones without power.
What?! The power company can't clear the rights-of way where they have power lines?
That is REALLY strange!
john
A drop in the bucket of all the stupid things that take place in California....
people who claim to be environMENTALists, have CA so screwed up.....
Hwy 199 from here down to the CA coast has rain induced landsides which close the road annually, yet the enviro Wackos take a legal route to stop the state from repairing those areas to prevent those problems happening ever again... and they do that every year I've lived here.. and that has been 25 years now...
Just another self inflicted wound.
PG&E wasn't supposed to be able to cut the power unless the conditions for a "red flag warning" were met....those conditions were never met in 90% of the areas they cut power to....in fact, the USFS started a prescribed burn in El Dorado county, that turned into a "wildfire".....Sacramento & other large cities were mostly unaffected because PG&E isn't their power company.... PG&E is looking for steep rate hikes to cover their tracks on mismanagement & over spending on "green" projects, and THAT is the reason the power was cut...
communist dont keep the power on...
dave
They have been doing it for years in San Diego county, SDGE is a little more nimble in covering their asses. The outages are about liability not safety since many back country homes need well pumps running to knock down small blazes & stop larger fires from starting. I suggested they do an interest free program to allow people without lots of money to install generators - no interest on the Utilities part.
They love the punishment element of the program. Not speculation I was an employee years ago when they implemented program - told not to express my opinion after the first time.
In fairness to them improving fire safety has been their top priority for over 10 years now, of course at the expense of very high rates.
California is an ongoing study in the perverse and absurd.
And "they" seem proud of it.
Pretty much explains it all!
Kalifornia's chickens...……...……….are coming home...…………..to ROOST !!!!
Well this is mostly like everything else in this country, lawyers.
PG&E is tired of being sued for fires. A vast state like CA, with THOUSANDS of miles of power lines running through woods and along mountain roads, if one line goes down and starts a fire, a pack of lawyers attack to the tune of billions. I don’t see PGE having any choice but to do this to survive.
We've never had electricity in Idaho, in case any Californians are wondering.
We've never had electricity in Idaho, in case any Californians are wondering.
We did.......but the nuke generator made us glow. Then the skinheads made nooses from all the wiring.
Creates a growing market for those that build portable generators. Hell today any private household should have a couple. And apartments or anything more than small duplexes should have emergency back up generators. Those places where the individual person isn't allowed to have their own.
Phil
A lot of people out there were dropped on their heads!!!
I don't worry about being without power, I worry a lot about being able to evacuate on short notice with all my dogs.
Phil
Creates a growing market for those that build portable generators. Hell today any private household should have a couple. And apartments or anything more than small duplexes should have emergency back up generators. Those places where the individual person isn't allowed to have their own.
Phil
Then tell me about all the AGren regulations Sacremento will put on those personal generators and how those gas/desiel engines will hasten climate change. Then the haz mat tax for storing the fuel on site. Etc.
That is your California.
Creates a growing market for those that build portable generators. Hell today any private household should have a couple. And apartments or anything more than small duplexes should have emergency back up generators. Those places where the individual person isn't allowed to have their own.
Phil
Instead, what will happen is that when the sheep get to bleating loud enough, Sacto will take over the PG&E and run it like the Bolsheviks.
That or they'll get rid of all the regulations that benefit the power industry and restrict any real benefit of the home owner having solar.
Phil
That or they'll get rid of all the regulations that benefit the power industry and restrict any real benefit of the home owner having solar.
Phil
Like the regulations that just bankrupted PG&E?
That or they'll get rid of all the regulations that benefit the power industry and restrict any real benefit of the home owner having solar.
Phil
California? Get rid of regulations? Yer smokin' some good stuff.
PG&E Bankrupted themselves with years of abuse an doing nothing in the way of maintenance. And if anything had to do with the company ignoring regulations.
Phil
PG&E Bankrupted themselves with years of abuse an doing nothing in the way of maintenance. And if anything had to do with the company ignoring regulations.
Phil
You are a glaring neon cautionary tale for someone who is so blinded by their biases that they are completely unable to grasp the simplest bits of reality.
BS, I use to change out the poles and towers, Most of the infrastructure at the time was close to 100 years old. And whether you'd like to admit it or not. The company's did little in the way of trimming, or removing trees, or even looking at the under-growth from their rights of way. I can first hand attest to how expensive it is to even change out a single pole. But they had no trouble at all to hand out those extreme pay and benefit packages to the upper echelon workers (those white collar leeches).
Phil
They probably couldn't get the permits to cut or brushhog the power line easements anymore because of the northern spotted tree lizard or some other ESA or 404 issue or some BS. California is a joke...
BS, I use to change out the poles and towers, Most of the infrastructure at the time was close to 100 years old. And whether you'd like to admit it or not. The company's did little in the way of trimming, or removing trees, or even looking at the under-growth from their rights of way. I can first hand attest to how expensive it is to even change out a single pole. But they had no trouble at all to hand out those extreme pay and benefit packages to the upper echelon workers (those white collar leeches).
Phil
That doesn't have anything to do with why they're bankrupt, whether it's legitimately true or not. But please let your knee keep jerking reflexively in your hate for capitalism.
What is with all the fires burning? I thought they turned the power off so there would not be any fires.
Rufuss, it has everything to do with the Bankruptcy... Its what caused it.. responsibility for and their liable for the damages caused from the fires!
If your electric car battery dies, so can you, for all Governor Newsom cares.
I don't work for PG&E so I don't know why they do such a crappy job of clearing trees and brush around power poles and lines in my county. Been that way for at least the last 30 years. It could be stupid regulations from Sacramento, environmentalist lawsuits and activist judges, corporate laziness to save costs or even just crappy job performance from all the 3rd party contractors they hire to do the clearing. Probably a combination of all of the above. I wouldn't lay all of the blame on PG&E but they are not innocent either.
BS, I use to change out the poles and towers, Most of the infrastructure at the time was close to 100 years old. And whether you'd like to admit it or not. The company's did little in the way of trimming, or removing trees, or even looking at the under-growth from their rights of way. I can first hand attest to how expensive it is to even change out a single pole. But they had no trouble at all to hand out those extreme pay and benefit packages to the upper echelon workers (those white collar leeches).
Phil
That doesn't have anything to do with why they're bankrupt, whether it's legitimately true or not. But please let your knee keep jerking reflexively in your hate for capitalism.
That's not capitalism, my friend. That's unrestrained, unrestricted snowballing malfeasance and misuse of public funds.
Rufuss, it has everything to do with the Bankruptcy... Its what caused it.. responsibility for and their liable for the damages caused from the fires!
The bankruptcy has everything to do with the "inverse condemnation" rules in CA state law. PGE does not have to be shown negligent to be sued into oblivion. That's the beginning and end of it. If they replaced equipment and cleared brush to the extent necessary to lower the odds of any big fire bankrupting them, your rates would be several times what they are at least.
Idiotic bolshevik law plus greedy lawyers is the complete equation. People love to blame the utility but then they immediately schitt the bed when their rates go up to replace equipment or do maintenance.
Like with Boeing and some of the other large corporations that deliberately ignore safety resulting in multiple deaths for no reason other than profit. They need to do like some of the other third world country's and take the top half dozen or so executives and hang the [bleep]...
Phil
Like with Boeing and some of the other large corporations that deliberately ignore safety resulting in multiple deaths for no reason other than profit. They need to do like some of the other third world country's and take the top half dozen or so executives and hang the [bleep]...
Phil
Since it is clear that CA is chock full of folks with similar reasoning skills to you, that third world country part is just around the bend.
PG&E Bankrupted themselves with years of abuse an doing nothing in the way of maintenance. And if anything had to do with the company ignoring regulations.
Phil
All overseen by the California PUC and tangentially the California Energy Commission, the Governor and the Legislature.
The California Rule That Doomed PG&E: Inverse Condemnation
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...le-that-doomed-pg-e-inverse-condemnation"That’s why California utilities can be held liable for damages from fires sparked by their equipment, even if they followed all of the state’s stringent safety rules. They can try to pass on those costs to ratepayers, but there’s no guarantee such efforts will get approved by the state’s California Public Utilities Commission."