The Republican candidate for governor of Kentucky is behind the Democrat by 5,000 votes. The Libertarian got 28,000 votes.
Libertarians are foul. They have NEVER gotten one of their candidates elected. All they do is ruin elections for conservatives.
Look, I get it. You might like conservative principles but dislike the Republican candidate. So you cast a "protest vote" for the Libertarian. But it's not a protest vote. It's a vote for the Democrats You're voting for gun confiscation, eliminating our borders, free medical care for Illegals, high taxes, cutting the defense budget, making the economy sick again, eliminating parents' choice of where their kids can go to school,and abortion up until and after live birth.
So if you don't like the Republican's personality, and are tempted to vote Libertarian, DON'T!
Dammit. Don't!
Lots and lots of people have no idea what effect their vote can have.
I think some who vote Libertarian do so because they realize that Republicans, just like Democrats, are wasteful, deficit spenders, who will continue to re-distribute wealth; only in a different way. If Republicans would truly embrace riscal resposibility and reduce government waste and government intrusion into private lives and business, they might attract some of those Libertarian votes. Right now, the way it works is this: Democrats tax the people and distribute the money to their friends. Republicans tax the people and distribute the money to their friends. Both run the country further into debt to sweeten the pot for their friends. GD
In a system where a majority wins, not a plurality, a 3d party candidate has little chance to win. As said, they become nothing more than spoilers, helping elect the very person they DON'T want elected. It works both ways. Conservative Ross Perot won it for Clinton, liberal Ralph Nader won it for W Bush.
In a system where a majority wins, not a plurality, a 3d party candidate has little chance to win. As said, they become nothing more than spoilers, helping elect the very person they DON'T want elected. It works both ways. Conservative Ross Perot won it for Clinton, liberal Ralph Nader won it for W Bush.
the Green Party could well be a spoiler for the demo's. as mentioned, ol ralph nader certainly spoilt things once upon a time.
lot's of libertarians vote for repubs, a few for demo's, and a few for the big "L" party.
lot's of folks feel a two-party majority is a wonderful thing, going in lock-step from one election to another.
others feel that a multiple parties system would be advantageous, but they're in the minority and can'y get it up and running.
There is also the theory of the "anchor effect" where a third candidate helps the party they most resemble by making that candidate appear more middle-of-the-road. This theory grew out of a time when middle-of-the-road was seen as appealing to the majority of voters. I am not sure that it is applicable today, when voters seem to be much more polarized.
I think some who vote Libertarian do so because they realize that Republicans, just like Democrats, are wasteful, deficit spenders, who will continue to re-distribute wealth; only in a different way. If Republicans would truly embrace riscal resposibility and reduce government waste and government intrusion into private lives and business, they might attract some of those Libertarian votes. Right now, the way it works is this: Democrats tax the people and distribute the money to their friends. Republicans tax the people and distribute the money to their friends. Both run the country further into debt to sweeten the pot for their friends. GD
There would be less reason to worry about a third party candidate....thats for sure.
Wonder how many people have ever changed their vote because someone yelled at them on the internet.
Wonder how many people have ever changed their vote because someone yelled at them on the internet.
I wonder how many people have ever changed their vote for any reason whatsoever.
This is interesting. Apparently 823,000 Kentucky Republicans failed to check the box for Governor.
That seems odd.
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The Republican candidate for governor of Kentucky is behind the Democrat by 5,000 votes. The Libertarian got 28,000 votes.
Libertarians are foul. They have NEVER gotten one of their candidates elected. All they do is ruin elections for conservatives.
Look, I get it. You might like conservative principles but dislike the Republican candidate. So you cast a "protest vote" for the Libertarian. But it's not a protest vote. It's a vote for the Democrats You're voting for gun confiscation, eliminating our borders, free medical care for Illegals, high taxes, cutting the defense budget, making the economy sick again, eliminating parents' choice of where their kids can go to school,and abortion up until and after live birth.
So if you don't like the Republican's personality, and are tempted to vote Libertarian, DON'T!
Dammit. Don't!
We could fix that [bleep] by going to a runoff system. Its something the legislature need to look very hard at over the next couple of years.
“In an ideal world, we elect Libertarian candidates and advance liberty. Failing that, we push mainstream candidates towards liberty to advance the cause,” the LPK wrote in a Facebook post on Tuesday night. But if we can’t do those things, we are always happy to split the vote in a way that causes delicious tears. Tonight there are plenty of delicious tears from Bevin supporters,” they added.
I think there are lots of voters who don't know who they'll vote for until they're in the booth pulling a lever. They don't know the issues and vote just to say they voted. Some of the dumbest ads I've seen are the ones that say 'it doesn't matter who you vote for, just vote'.
In a system where a majority wins, not a plurality, a 3d party candidate has little chance to win. As said, they become nothing more than spoilers, helping elect the very person they DON'T want elected. It works both ways. Conservative Ross Perot won it for Clinton, liberal Ralph Nader won it for W Bush.
Third parties do nothing but screw things up.
My, my.
Here's the thing...I wonder how Trump thinks he'll win the next election without something done about the Dem's continuously rigging elections.
As to the assertion of the OP...surely folks wouldn't vote Libertarian because they're not only tired of the Dems screwing us over with communistic policies, but the Reps selling us out with the same thing to include gun control (like illegally doing away with Bump Stocks) and globalism in general.
That said, I'm personally sick of the Libertarian Party without even considering their effect on elections.
I never voted libertarian myself, although their doctrine is mostly OK with me.
Funny but doctrine and action are two different things. Repubs and dems say a lot, but they really only talk doctrine to gain personal power. I think the 2 corrupt party system as it stands now is broken.
I was hoping there would be a house cleaning in the GOP, and get some true conservatives that represent the people.
I think President Trump might push for a reform when he gets elected next term. Right now the President is the only voice for the (sane) people.
Hell.....bring em on. Lets have a dozen parties like in other countries.
Doesn't seem to be a nickles worth of difference between the D's and R's anyway.
Its perfect now. The Republicans dont have to improve or change their ways at all....they just get to blame every thing on the third party.
Fugg sakes. How did we get to the "at least the Dems didnt win".......?
I don’t think that’s what those results are showing. Looks like more votes total for governor than attorney general.
I'm really starting to smell a rat if it's true that 823,000 ballots were filled out in Kentucky except for having the Governors race left blank.
823,000 votes is a huge chunk in a state the size of Kentucky.
In a presidential election, our EC effectively makes it impossible for a 3d party to win. I think Perot was the only 3d party candidate to win an EC vote in the last 50 years. What they could do, though, is to draw a few EC votes and throw the thing into the house. Once there, it's highly likely that the republican will win because each state only gets 1 vote and there are a lot of small red states. Little ID & WY get as much say as huge CA & NY.
Fugg sakes. How did we get to the "at least the Dems didnt win".......?
Lack of imagination and guts, excess of gullibility.
I'm really starting to smell a rat if it's true that 823,000 ballots were filled out in Kentucky except for having the Governors race left blank.
823,000 votes is a huge chunk in a state the size of Kentucky.
Sure is.
if the repubs would actually implement a catharsis, and eject the rino's, then they would pick up a ton of libertarian votes. but it might not be enough in the way of numbers to offset the rino component that was expelled.
but therein lies the problem. the trade-off abounds.
i hold to my position of belief that most libertarians vote the repub ticket while holding their noses.
Doesn't seem to be a nickles worth of difference between the D's and R's anyway.
Really? Tell that to a Virginia gun owner.
I'm really starting to smell a rat if it's true that 823,000 ballots were filled out in Kentucky except for having the Governors race left blank.
823,000 votes is a huge chunk in a state the size of Kentucky.
It's hard for me to believe that every other GOP candidate on that ballot won easily, and Bevin lost. I always vote straight ticket, and figured most people did too.
As far as third-parties go, I most fervently hope that somebody runs as a full-fledged Socialist Party candidate in 2020. Polls show that lots of young idiots think socialism would be great. Let them vote for an admitted one instead of a veiled one like the Democrats. A couple million votes from the 10 biggest cities ought to do it...
...to re-elect Trump.
I'm mistaken.
The Republican Attorney General candidate. got 823,000 votes while the Republican candidate for Governor only got 704,500 votes.
Still,..it seems odd that every Republican running got more votes than the Republican candidate for Governor.
I'm mistaken.
The Republican Attorney General candidate. got 823,000 votes while the Republican candidate for Governor only got 704,500 votes.
Still,..it seems odd that every Republican running got more votes than the Republican candidate for Governor.
Yes it does. I smell fish.
I'm not for sure there was any more fraud than usual, just voters who didn't like the job Bevin was doing, and were willing punish him by electing a damned liberal. Those people deserve whatever Beshear screws them with.
I'm not for sure there was any more fraud than usual, just voters who didn't like the job Bevin was doing, and were willing punish him by electing a damned liberal. Those people deserve whatever Beshear screws them with.
If there's any good news to be had from the Kentucky election, it's that Beshear is going to be limited in what he can do by the number of Republicans that got elected.
Still,..I think the pension debt will get bigger during his time in office even though taxes will rise.
It's just a damn shame. I think 4 more years of Bevin would have gotten Kentucky in decent financial condition. But now, it's going to be those old Kentucky politics that put it in the shape it was in when Bevin took office.
I'm not for sure there was any more fraud than usual, just voters who didn't like the job Bevin was doing, and were willing punish him by electing a damned liberal. Those people deserve whatever Beshear screws them with.
If there's any good news to be had from the Kentucky election, it's that Beshear is going to be limited in what he can do by the number of Republicans that got elected.
Still,..I think the pension debt will get bigger during his time in office even though taxes will rise.
It's just a damn shame. I think 4 more years of Bevin would have gotten Kentucky in decent financial condition. But now, it's going to be those old Kentucky politics that put it in the shape it was in when Bevin took office.
You know, I truthfully don't know that anyone can fix this state. It's too diversified.
I think it's just the pension deal. Kentucky's state pension money was in good shape until 2000. A lot of that money was invested and it took a hit in 2008 and never recovered from it.
Every administration that passes through is going to have to deal with it one way or another. Bevin tried to tighten the state's belt and not allow taxes to go up,...but all of those state employees wouldn't allow it,...voted him out for it.
That can can only be kicked so far down the road and then the state will have to start cutting positions.
That's why I said previously that teachers are going to have 35-40 kids in a class before long.
When a state is paying out all of those pensions,..it's got no money for salaries. They can raise taxes to an extent. But people won't tolerate that for long until they vote the tax raiser out of office.
No money is just no money. People are going to have to pay one way or another. Fewer state employees is going to be one way the price gets paid.
IndyCA35: I share your disdain for the idiotic people who claim to be, and vote, libertarian!
They have screwed more Conservatives out of being elected than the vote stealing demonrats have in the last 40+ years!
Including a number of federal elections here in Montana over the last 20 years.
Sad, stupid and self defeating libertarians just keep on truckin it seems - even though their stupidity and short-sightedness brings immense harm to our country, our society, our laws our judicial system and out tax system.
libertarianism is simply idiocy personified!
I say phuuck them all (the idiot libertarians!) - the long, the short and the tall.
libertarians are simply to ignorant to realize if they voted Republican they would get 75 to 80 percent of their political goals enacted but when they stupidly vote for the libertarian candidate they most often help get the demonrat elected and they get NONE, zip, zero, nada of their goals instigated.
Pathetic.
Hold into the wind
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As for libertarians,..I think they're mostly yesterday's news. But there's a contest going on on the right for what ideology should define the GOP. Young conservatives aren't satisfied with the leftward drift of the GOP and many want it to more closely reflect Nationalism.
Those people are a large reason that Trump got elected and they won't show up to vote for any "Jebs" that get the GOP nomination.
Trump is as mild of a GOP candidate as they will accept,..and the GOP won't be nominating anyone that's more Nationalistic than Trump.
As for libertarians,..I think they're mostly yesterday's news. But there's a contest going on on the right for what ideology should define the GOP. Young conservatives aren't satisfied with the leftward drift of the GOP and many want it to more closely reflect Nationalism.
Those people are a large reason that Trump got elected and they won't show up to vote for any "Jebs" that get the GOP nomination.
Trump is as mild of a GOP candidate as they will accept,..and the GOP won't be nominating anyone that's more Nationalistic than Trump.
The Libertarian Party is the fastest growing party in the country with a 92% increase in registered members in the past 10 years.
The young folks are flocking to it. They are sick of the socialist left and the authoritarian right with both party's spending money like crazy.
They see that choosing the lesser of two evils is still getting evil.
Do you want lots of gun control or just some gun control? Hint- "Take the guns first due process later" DJT
Do you want the left to tell you what you can say or do or do you want the right to tell you what to say or do?
Do you want huge taxes and spending or just lots of deficit spending?
Endless wars- both party's.
People more and more just want liberty and the government to just leave them alone and you can't get that from ether party.
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Libertarian vote is a vote democrats these days. With all the voter fraud and cheating a democrat does not need more help to win.
As for libertarians,..I think they're mostly yesterday's news. But there's a contest going on on the right for what ideology should define the GOP. Young conservatives aren't satisfied with the leftward drift of the GOP and many want it to more closely reflect Nationalism.
Those people are a large reason that Trump got elected and they won't show up to vote for any "Jebs" that get the GOP nomination.
Trump is as mild of a GOP candidate as they will accept,..and the GOP won't be nominating anyone that's more Nationalistic than Trump.
a lot of libertarians who walk amongst us have no problem w/nationalism if it is structured properly.
trump has done a great job, pretty much alone i might add.
but, the game hasn't played out, not yet.
more help is coming for his support.
The problem with Libertarians is,...they have no ideology. The closest they ever came to being defined was when Ron Paul made his run in 2008 and 2012. And even then the majority of people who supported Ron Paul weren't Libertarians. They were just people who were fed up with the status quo and wanted to be represented.
To say that the Libertarian party has grown is just to say that more people are disgusted with the Democrats and Republicans. It has no leadership and it has no genuine vision. You can't even get Libertarians to agree on open or closed borders.
Basically,...although some people may demonstrate their disagreement with status quo politics by registering as a Libertarian, it's going nowhere,..regardless of the number of people who identify as Libertarian.
The movement has no genuine vision for how the country should be governed.
The problem with Libertarians is,...they have no ideology. The closest they ever came to being defined was when Ron Paul made his run in 2008 and 2012. And even then the majority of people who supported Ron Paul weren't Libertarians. They were just people who were fed up with the status quo and wanted to be represented.
To say that the Libertarian party has grown is just to say that more people are disgusted with the Democrats and Republicans. It has no leadership and it has no genuine vision. You can't even get Libertarians to agree on open or closed borders.
Basically,...although some people may demonstrate their disagreement with status quo politics by registering as a Libertarian, it's going nowhere,..regardless of the number of people who identify as Libertarian.
The movement has no genuine vision for how the country should be governed.
Pretty much right.
Yet we have the likes of Mittens as a republican.........
The problem with Libertarians is,...they have no ideology. The closest they ever came to being defined was when Ron Paul made his run in 2008 and 2012. And even then the majority of people who supported Ron Paul weren't Libertarians. They were just people who were fed up with the status quo and wanted to be represented.
To say that the Libertarian party has grown is just to say that more people are disgusted with the Democrats and Republicans. It has no leadership and it has no genuine vision. You can't even get Libertarians to agree on open or closed borders.
Basically,...although some people may demonstrate their disagreement with status quo politics by registering as a Libertarian, it's going nowhere,..regardless of the number of people who identify as Libertarian.
The movement has no genuine vision for how the country should be governed.
true enough perhaps.
so, what do the rino's and demo's have in mind for us workers who pay taxes to support the cause?
btw, what is the cause?
Doesn't seem to be a nickles worth of difference between the D's and R's anyway.
Really? Tell that to a Virginia gun owner.
So fiscal responsibility is something to talk about? Not something to do?
Kinda goes back to stop wishing it was easier....start wishing you were better.
Some jackwagon third party guy no one has ever heard of cost you the election......and its his fault?
The only cause I see gaining any momentum is Nationalism. Trump got elected because of his Nationalist rhetoric.
He hasn't quite lived up to everything he said during his campaign. But the fact remains that his "America First" Nationalist rhetoric is what generated the support for him.
,...and it's not only in the U.S.A. Nationalism is growing in Western Europe, also.
Even today,...those people you see turning out at Trump rallies are Nationalists.
The only cause I see gaining any momentum is Nationalism. Trump got elected because of his Nationalist rhetoric.
He hasn't quite lived up to everything he said during his campaign. But the fact remains that his "America First" Nationalist rhetoric is what generated the support for him.
,...and it's not only in the U.S.A. Nationalism is growing in Western Europe, also.
i agree.
nationalism includes the need, and expectation of strong borderlines.
among other things such as a citizenry of tax-payers, workers, and mbrs of society.
it's becoming an issue of the reality that most folks know we live on earth, and we also live in countries.
now that we're becoming more aware, just how best to deal with some 7.5 billion humans on the face of the earth??
https://results.enr.clarityelections.com/KY/97213/web/#/summaryKENTUCKY STATE BOARD OF ELECTIONS
VOTER TURNOUT
TOTAL
42.16%
Ballots Cast:
1,455,161
Registered Voters:
3,451,537
now that we're becoming more aware, just how best to deal with some 7.5 billion humans on the face of the earth??
I don't think the world will have to deal with them much longer. Modern medicine has fought back several illnesses that would have been major pandemics in the past. AIDS would have cut a major swath through Africa had it not been for modern medicine,...and if those medicines were cut off today, AIDS would *still* wreck Africa.
It's only a matter of time until one comes along that modern medicine can't get ahead of.
The Republicans know they can be gutted by a Libertarian on the ballot. They will not stop lying to us on their own. They require a credible threat on election day to make them behave. They shall have it.
This is the response from the National Libertarian Party to the butthurt people.
Those of you that say the party is nothing and not growing have never been to a Libertarian Party meeting to see and hear the people that are joining.
There's been a great amount of discussion about the Kentucky Governor's race since election day. Republican Matt Bevin lost his reelection to Democrat Andy Beshear by approximately 5,000 votes - while Libertarian John Hicks received over 28,000 votes.
Republican supporting organizations and conservative media spent much of yesterday accusing the Libertarian Party and Mr. Hicks of spoiling the election, and getting a Democrat elected. The consensus among supporters of Governor Bevin is that if our Party hadn't been in the race, he wouldn't have lost his bid for reelection.
There's something that needs to be made clear, for Republicans and the Media moving forward: we are a political party. We run candidates to represent voters that aren't being represented by the current system. Andy Beshear ran on a progressive, big government platform full of spending growth. Matt Bevin ran on a social conservative platform that railed against what Libertarians believe should be the function of government in our personal lives. Neither of those candidates earned the votes of over 28,000 Kentuckians.
Neither of those candidates deserved those votes. Neither of them are entitled to those votes - because neither candidate represented the voting bloc. As long as there are people looking to do the right thing, and vote for the right candidate instead of sticking to rigid partisanship in their elections, we'll be there to give them a voice. And the more that assumptions are made about those voters, the more disenfranchised they will become with the old parties. More will turn out to the ballot boxes to cast dissenting votes against the two-party system. More will recognize that our system isn't broken because of "the other side", but because of BOTH "sides."
And because of that, there WILL be more Libertarians in elected office. We won a swath of local elections on Tuesday. Libertarians are preparing to make huge changes on the local level across the country. Get ready.
I don't think the libertarian vote is as much of a threat as some people see it.
The libertarian vote is a protest vote. The people who turn out to vote libertarian wouldn't bother to vote at all if there wasn't a libertarian on the ballot.
I don't think the libertarian vote is as much of a threat as some people see it.
The libertarian vote is a protest vote. The people who turn out to vote libertarian wouldn't bother to vote at all if there wasn't a libertarian on the ballot.
yes, either as a subset, the libertarians would show up to vote for the repubs, mostly.
because they well knew they couldn't elect even the dog catcher if they block voted.
Governor
Andy Beshear (D)
49.2%
709,577
Matthew Bevin (R)
48.8%
704,388
John Hicks (L)
2.0%
28,425
100% precincts reporting
Do the math.
You can be as much of a Republican as you want to be!!!!! Go ahead.....join the ranks of McCain, Romney etc.....if they get control of the house again along with the Senate and Whitehouse, they will do exactly what they always do.....NOTHINGH!!!!!...…….and all they actually do is work their tail of doing whatever it takes to get re elected.....in fact, their almost as much scum as Democrats!!!!! It's time to look around us and see the rest of the story.....and (Except for Trump) they stand for nothing at all...….Their handling of Obamacare is a prime example.
If you want to continue supporting this bunch of gutless politicians based on the fact that at least they aren't as destructive as Democrats then do so...… As for me.....I'll continue to vote Libertarian.....except for Trump....he has my vote tied up already.
I agree both major parties are corrupt. They do nothing, lest for themselves! So many voters hold their nose and vote, for the least of two evils. Trump came along and upset both parties. I'll stay with Trump, not republicans! I'm my voting life republicans have been the least of the two evils. I still despise many republicans, and all democrats!
Democrats give money to Libertarians where the Libertarians are stronger to split the Republican party. Republicans need to give to Green party to split the Dem's votes.
Democrats give money to Libertarians where the Libertarians are stronger to split the Republican party. Republicans need to give to Green party to split the Dem's votes.
agreed! Jill Stein, we can thank for 2016 results.
The problem with Libertarians is,...they have no ideology. The closest they ever came to being defined was when Ron Paul made his run in 2008 and 2012. And even then the majority of people who supported Ron Paul weren't Libertarians. They were just people who were fed up with the status quo and wanted to be represented.
To say that the Libertarian party has grown is just to say that more people are disgusted with the Democrats and Republicans. It has no leadership and it has no genuine vision. You can't even get Libertarians to agree on open or closed borders.
Basically,...although some people may demonstrate their disagreement with status quo politics by registering as a Libertarian, it's going nowhere,..regardless of the number of people who identify as Libertarian.
The movement has no genuine vision for how the country should be governed.
True.......I "identify" as a Libertarian until election day when I sigh and vote R.
Until we become conservatives and conservatives only, We need to realize that while Democrats may be the problem......Republicans are damn well not the answer.
It seems we have a choice.....either reform the Republican party or become Libertarians!!!!! I, frankly, don't believe we can reform the current establishment and we need to send as many conservatives as we can to congress to help Trump win the all important battle.
This has to be done at the primary election level and most folks don't understand this at all. It's why I'm voting Libertarian.....at least they haven't proven to me that they are as corrupt as the two parties we currently have.
It's long past the time we hold our f------ polititions accountable.
Until we become conservatives and conservatives only, We need to realize that while Democrats may be the problem......Republicans are damn well not the answer.
It seems we have a choice.....either reform the Republican party or become Libertarians!!!!! I, frankly, don't believe we can reform the current establishment and we need to send as many conservatives as we can to congress to help Trump win the all important battle.
This has to be done at the primary election level and most folks don't understand this at all. It's why I'm voting Libertarian.....at least they haven't proven to me that they are as corrupt as the two parties we currently have.
It's long past the time we hold our f------ polititions accountable.
This guy, on the other hand, does.
Until we become conservatives and conservatives only, We need to realize that while Democrats may be the problem......Republicans are damn well not the answer.
It seems we have a choice.....either reform the Republican party or become Libertarians!!!!! I, frankly, don't believe we can reform the current establishment and we need to send as many conservatives as we can to congress to help Trump win the all important battle.
This has to be done at the primary election level and most folks don't understand this at all. It's why I'm voting Libertarian.....at least they haven't proven to me that they are as corrupt as the two parties we currently have.
It's long past the time we hold our f------ polititions accountable.
Party affiliation isn't really the issue. The problem the American government has is that it's owned and controlled.
Justin Amash was one of the brightest rising stars of the Libertarian movement.
He got bought.
https://bigleaguepolitics.com/repub...pports-illegal-aliens-voting-in-america/