Lesbian Airforce Academy Commandant, who was fired,
to sue for redress under UCMJ


Brig. Gen. Kristin Goodwin, then commandant of the U.S Air Force Academy, answers questions and discusses goals
and priorities at the academy's Arnold Hall Theater on Aug. 17, 2017. (U.S. Air Force photo/ Mike Kaplan)


4 Dec 2019
Military.com | By Oriana Pawlyk

The (Lesbian) former commandant of cadets at the Air Force Academy intends to file an Article 138 redress of wrongs complaint under the Uniform Code of Military Justice in coming weeks to remedy her removal from the position, according to her lawyer.

Larry Youngner, an attorney for the law firm Tully Rinckey PLLC, told Federal News Network radio in a recent interview that Brig. Gen. Kristin Goodwin, who was removed from the academy amid an investigation earlier this year, will seek redress against her then-commanding officer, academy superintendent Lt. Gen. Jay Silveria.

"That allows subordinates to ask a commander to correct a wrong," Youngner said during the interview.

According to the Inspector General report, officials looked at Goodwin's record of inappropriate travel practices as well as allegations she created an unhealthy command climate. The news was first reported by Air Force Times on Nov. 21.

Related: New Air Force Academy Commandant Is Setting a High Bar

The IG noted that between June 2017 and November 2018, six out of 19 trips that Goodwin took had instances of improper use of taxpayer dollars while renting cars or booking airfare, and included layovers or stops to conduct personal business during official work trips.

The unnecessary expenses totaled $5,367, according to the IG.

Youngner said Goodwin has since reimbursed the government, and said it was up to her staff -- "who let her down" -- to make wise financial choices, including travel.

The IG also investigated Goodwin's record between June 2017 and February 2019, when witnesses said she failed to properly maintain a healthy command climate, including making her criticism of Silveria known in front of subordinates.

Various witnesses, whose names were redacted, claimed Goodwin's behavior affected their personal lives and often made them uncomfortable, according to the IG report. Some even viewed Goodwin as a "self-serving" leader, one witness said.

In the radio interview, Youngner said that if the toxic command climate allegations had been investigated further, Silveria might not have made a "rush to judgment" to remove Goodwin based on statements from a few people.

"The key fact is to look at her character and conduct and accomplishments ... as the commandant," Youngner said.

In 2017, she was selected to pin on her first star and become the academy's commandant of cadets, making her the first openly gay married airman to hold the position.

Youngner said he has noted "over a dozen mission impacts made by [Goodwin] that could not have been done in an unhealthy command climate" during her time as commandant.

The attorney also raised issue with one of the witnesses who came forward against Goodwin.

"We don't believe that that complaining witness' motive, bias or credibility was fairly assessed," Youngner said. "I intend to introduce evidence that shows bias … and bad intent, frankly."

Goodwin graduated from the Air Force Academy in 1993. She led the 2nd Bomb Wing at Barksdale Air Force Base, Louisiana, becoming the wing's first female commander, according to Air Force Times. Before that, she was vice commander of the 509th Bomb Wing at Whiteman Air Force Base, Missouri, and has flown the B-2 Spirit, B-52 Stratofortress, EC-130, C-130 Hercules, and various trainer aircraft.

She previously served as the senior military adviser to then-Air Force Secretary Deborah Lee James.

Goodwin is still serving under Air Force Space Command in Colorado, Youngner said.

Homosexuals always place their sodomy agenda above all else.

These people are the quintessential example of malignant narcissism.

Nothing in their life is more important than their homosexuality,not their fellow soldiers and certainly not their nation.

Her entire life is a waste.

Women, and especially dykes, have no place in the military except as low-rung admins and medical.

Here is a civilian example of same . . . .



'There is no cure': Elizabeth Smart's father reveals how he prayed he was not gay and struggled to accept his sexuality amidst the collapse of his 34-year marriage to wife Lois who he feels he 'stabbed in the heart'

- Ed Smart, 64, publicly revealed in August that he is gay and would be divorcing his wife Lois and leaving the Mormon Church

- The father-of-six shared intimate details about his struggle to come to terms with his sexuality in an interview with CBS This Morning on Monday

- Ed described how he consulted with therapists and church leaders in hopes of concluding that he wasn't actually gay, because 'I didn't want to believe I was'

- 'How do you cure being gay? There is no cure. And for all of those out there that are struggling in the same spot, there is no cure,' he told King

- 'This is absolutely not a "choice". And I wish my wife knew that,' he added

- He said the revelation made him feel as though he'd 'stabbed Lois in the heart'

By MEGAN SHEETS FOR DAILYMAIL.COM

PUBLISHED: 10:02 EST, 9 December 2019 | UPDATED: 12:35 EST, 9 December 2019


Ed Smart revealed how he prayed he was not gay and struggled to accept his sexuality amid the collapse of his
34-year marriage during an interview with CBS This Morning aired Monday


The father of kidnapping survivor Elizabeth Smart has revealed how he prayed he was not gay and struggled to accept his sexuality amid the collapse of his 34-year marriage.

Ed Smart made the stunning announcement that he is gay and would be divorcing his wife Lois and leaving the Mormon Church in August.

Three months later, the 64-year-old shared intimate details about his internal battle to come to terms with his sexuality in an emotional interview with CBS This Morning's Gayle King aired Monday.

Ed described how he consulted with therapists and church leaders in hopes of concluding that he wasn't actually gay, because 'I didn't want to believe I was'.

'How do you cure being gay? There is no cure. And for all of those out there that are struggling in the same spot, there is no cure,' he told King.

'This is absolutely not a "choice". And I wish my wife knew that. I wish that more than anything.'

Ed grew up in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and was married for more than three decades to wife Lois, with whom he has six children.

The couple were thrust into the public eye when their then-14-year-old daughter Elizabeth was kidnapped in Salt Lake City in 2002 and held in captivity for nine months.

Seventeen years after Elizabeth's miraculous rescue, Ed made headlines again when he announced to friends and family that he is gay.

In his first network TV interview since coming out, Ed explained that the decision to come out was not one he made lightly.

He said that he's felt attracted to men throughout his life, but his faith staunchly condemned homosexuality.

'I was taught that that was not acceptable, that that was something that you were a deviant, you were a bad person if you thought those things,' he said Monday in the first half of a two-part interview.

'I never wanted to identify as being gay. I never wanted that to be part of me. Why would God give this to me? Why would I have to endure this in life?'

Elizabeth Smart's father says there's something he has to talk about – 17 years after his daughter's kidnapping and miraculous rescue.

'I went to therapists. I went to my church leaders. I mean, I literally called my bishop up one morning, and I said: "You know, I feel like I've stabbed Lois in the heart,"' Ed said.

'I went to my other church leader, and I said to him: "So am I gay? Am I gay?" And he said to me: "I don't think so." He said: "You know, there's this spectrum."'

Ed said he felt relief at the church leader's response because it gave him hope that he may not actually be gay.

However, he soon realized that there was no denying it.

In his August Facebook post, Ed wrote: 'The decision to be honest and truthful about my orientation comes with its own set of challenges, but at the same time it is a huge relief.

'Living with the pain and guilt I have for so many years, not willing to accept the truth about my orientation has at times brought me to the point where I questioned whether life was still worth living.'

He explained that he hid his homosexuality for so many years because as a lifelong member of the Mormon Church, he felt that he could only stand by in silence as LGBTQ people were ridiculed, shunned, rejected and humiliated.

'I didn't want to face the feelings I fought so hard to suppress, and didn't want to reach out and tell those being ostracized that I too am numbered among them,' he wrote. 'But I cannot do that any longer.'

'My faith is strong, and unwavering, however, after considerable study, prayer and pondering I have come to a change in my beliefs. It is because of this change, that I can finally acknowledge and accept my orientation. Had I not had a change in my beliefs, I would have likely remained closeted the rest of my life,' he wrote.

'As an openly gay man, the church is not a place where I find solace any longer. It is not my responsibility to tell the church, its members or its leadership what to believe about the rightness or wrongness of being LGBTQ.

'Acceptance and love is what makes the world a better place. The crucible of guilt and shame that too many secretly endure is something I wouldn't wish on anyone,' he wrote.

The father-of-six went on to express his enduring love for his family.

'Lois has been a loyal wife, and extraordinary mother, who has had to endure an impossible part of this journey. I deeply regret the excruciating pain this has caused her. Hurting her was never my intent. While our marriage will end, my love for Lois and everyone in my family is eternal,' he wrote.

Elizabeth also released a statement, in which she said her parents told her they would love her unconditionally no matter what happened.

'While I am deeply saddened by their separation, nothing could change my love and admiration for them both. Their decisions are very personal. As such, I will not pass judgment and rather am focusing on loving and supporting them and the other members of my family,' she said.

In his Facebook post, which was later removed, Ed told how some people thought he has wasted years of his life by not coming out sooner, while others suggested he was giving up 'so much for so little'.

'Both are inaccurate and fail to do justice to the deep conflict involved in not being honest with myself and others for so long. Acknowledging I am a gay man is freeing but it also hurts many of those whom I love very much,' he wrote.

'In the end, people are free to say what they will, and believe what they want, but there is one voice more important than any other, that of my Savior, who wants each of us to love one another, to be honest and joyful and find a meaningful life.'

'While there are wounds right now, I also know our Savior can help heal the damage which this revelation has brought,' he said. 'Through Christ love will outlast the grief.'

Shouldn’t it be “airPERSON”????

How do you beat alcoholism?

YOU QUIT DRINKING!!!!

Air Force...hehehh

Despicable.
Those kinds are intolerant.
Think Torqmada

There is no cure': Elizabeth Smart's father reveals how he prayed he was not gay


There is a cure.
Repent and believe the Gospel.
Call upon the one true and only God who created heaven and earth.
Jesus be merciful to me a sinner!
Receive the Holy Spirit... Who is very and eternal God.

Yowsa!

That went sideways in a hurry.


I suppose that was the intent all along.

There needs to be an organization for Homosexuals patterned after Alcoholics Anonymous. In that program, Alcoholics don't deny that they are alcoholics and don't ever think they can be "cured." And they never expect others to acccept their alcoholism. Rather, they accept their sickness and get along with their life---and don't drink. Most of them end up having happy and sober lives.

Women in the military was always a bad idea, medical and clerical positions maybe excluded. Women in command positions is simply insane.

I like to lick pussy too!

I agree 100%.

Jim

We should all strive to be as tolerant as you.

Carpet muncher!!!!!

Re E. Smart - This seems to be proof positive that prayer doesn't work, period.

What is she going to sue for, back pay? Peanuts. She wants status.

My father was a military gun and vehicle designer. He said army generals don't make much money, but they have an entourage with an advance man that arrives earlier.

I once spoke at the lectern/podium to a joint army navy air force SPO meeting about my satellite uplink circuitry. There as an non-uniformed civil servant in the audience who had authority to procure. He was surrounded by a half dozen yes men attending to him.

These gov people are like little kings, holding court.

The academy quit training warriors long ago. It is now a country club for the weirdos of society. Unfortunately, just like the Air Force, you must be a pervert to advance in the ranks. Competency is no longer a requirement.

Taking the word of a homosexual seems to be proof positive of only one fact,that is,you are extremely gullible.

"Women, and especially dykes, have no place in the military except as low-rung admins and medical."

I have a hard time with this as I sit at my desk and look up at the folded flag my daughter-in-law brought me from the base in Iraq where she served as an A/C and Major who flies the Osprey for the Spec Ops. So does my son, her husband, who is also an A/C with the rank of Major flying the MC130-J for the Spec Ops.

Robb you would have to have experienced it. Women, in general, are not cut out for combat arms, period. Politically correct experiment gone awry, as predicted.

Still on active duty.....
Just shut the fugg up carpet muncher and retire....
Go get yourself a job on CNN or some schitt....

I Google airperson and airman shows up.
Airdyke shows a bald headed something on twitter. Dyke_Air also showed up, thought it's was maybe an airline.

Throwing your subordinates under the bus is not a sign of a good leader. In fact, it's the sign of a failed leader.

The section where the bus drivers hang out has forever been known as a cockpit. Few years ago they had an all female crew, pilot, copilot, nav and boom operator fly a mission on a KC-135. That aircrew decided that "cockpit" was offensive, anytime they occupied the cockpit it was to be known as the "box office".

Men tend to accept stuff like this, and just do their job. Women will NOT, until they've manipulated their world into what they want it to be.

A Bull Dyke running the Air Force Academy. Good God.

If he is gay and wanted a divorce, fine, handle it in private with your wife, why the need to climb up on a box and announce it to the world and humiliate your wife and family?

From my experience in the military, if a woman serves more than her initial 3 or 4 year contract, she's either a lesbian or a slut.

I knew an airwoman franci huntstiger she was both .

I almost said that too.

I saw that too and thought “WTF?” How can someone so petty and vindictive advance so far?

Sadly, no surprise that her removal would involve drama..... checks a box on all the stereotypes.

Some of you men are an embarrassment to the gender. I will leave it at that and sign off. I think that best before I say something to get banned.

It just shows you how much the military has changed over the last 20 years. 20 years ago someone found out to be a lesbian would have quietly given an admin separation and removed from the service. Today not only are they not removed, they're promoted and given a major command at a service academy thereby responsible for influencing the values of future Air Force officers. It's not entirely different from the constant barrage of gay characters on network TV shows which are designed to convince young minds that homosexuality is normal and wholesome.

We are losing the culture war, badly.

(She wasn't actually running the Air Force Academy, that's the superintendent)

Robb10238 ,

Folks here make generalisation comments no one is talking about your daughter .

When girls insisted on playing little league with the boys it ruined the game.
When girls insisted on being in the 'boy'scouts it ruined the Scouts opened the door for homoz .

Speak your piece you'll not be ran off this forum - that's why it's such an active forum .

In the future the lgbtvxyz will dominate all the gov't positions military included .
There's a gas station i get ice at north of panama city beach near the airport road . Every TSA employee i see filling up or shopping there is either a big butch looking woman or a black person .

We have lost .

It has been found that the leftist, democrats, liberals, communist, socialist, islamites, lesbians, gays, transgenderism, and globalist have a condition which correlates with greater activity in the anterior cingulate cortex, poor and uncontrollable emotion regulation which features a hyperactive anterior cingulate cortex. This can be treated with medicines available today.

Youngner said Goodwin has since reimbursed the government, and said it was up to her staff -- "who let her down" -- to make wise financial choices, including travel.

blaming her staff. this alone makes her unfit.

$5367?

Chump change compared to Congressman and Senators running around in private jets.

Oh, and First "Ladies".

Mental illness seems to be celebrated these days instead of being cured

So I take it you served in the military and speak from experience, eh?

It is true. I saw it in the EMS. I worked at a small EMS in central Georgia. In my fifth year there we started hiring girls.
Now, why would a cute young gal get EMT certification, knowing that if she got hired she would be out in the country, spending the night in a barracks with 5 young men. She could just as easily have gotten LPN certification, and worked an 8 hour shift in the hospital.

Rob10238 said "Some of you men are an embarrassment to the gender. I will leave it at that and sign off. I think that best before I say something to get banned."

Rob you are politically correct, you are probably married to a feminist and she gives you the marching orders. But you don't know much about human nature. These young gals got a job to spend the night in the barracks with five young men, because they wanted to [bleep] the young men. At work, and on duty.

Over the years we hired 10 gals and I know that at least half of them were taking the boner on duty.

We didn't have problems with homosexual women and low birth rates until bad fathers decided to raise their little girls like they were going to be men.

This X100. The only way they got in was a significant lowering of standards and even with that, it has taken the practical emasculation of the warrior culture, otherwise they would not survive.

What on earth caused the AF to think that she would be a decent fit for such a role? let's hope that AF decision-making is much better than that in other critical areas.

Well, when you have a Secretary of the Airforce that glorifies and celebrates this kind of stuff what do you expect.

This is easily the dumbest fuquing statement I’ve read in almost 17 years on the ‘fire.

I suspect you’re one of those fat [bleep] who complain because women “f’d their way to the top” when they were actually doing the job they were paid and trained for while you sat in your ass and bitched about the “good old days.”

Jesus H Christ almighty I hate idiots like you.....

Nope, not fat at all - 6'2", 200 lbs. Just how fit are you, b itch-boy?

And I've never blamed anyone but myself for any of my failures. If it matters, I was West Point class of '89, 101st Airborne afterwards. And where I work now, I kinda AM at the top, so no ladies for me to worry about having screwed their way above me.
I speak from my experiences and stand by my original statement. Yes, I can concede that it wasn't absolutely 100%, but I'd lay money on I would that it was >75%.

Wenches in the field increase expense and reduce effectiveness.

@triggernosis,

You can’t be at the top of much being that stupid.

And being a West Point grad and being smart are not the same thing.

Ask me how in 42 years of service I know.

I'm not attempting to prove my intelligence to you or anyone else. You're the one that has jumped out in front calling me an [bleep] and idiot - that kinda speaks for itself as to your mental capabilities.
Like I said, my opinions are based on MY experiences - and MY experiences support my original thesis.

I wasn't making a thesis, I was making an observation.

If this is what you came away with after however many years of active service, then I stick by my observation that you're an idiot, and it appears, representative of what we get by lowering the requirements for entry into the service academies.

LOL! Dave, I'm laughing at you, not with you.

LOL.
He must be one of those people who didn't meet the requirements to get into an academy.

LOL!

I'm laughing with you!

Tybone,

I’m more than willing to match my service record against yours.

What Girl Scout troop did you start with?

Dave with all due respect to your service:

I have over 33 years in military and law enforcement. (I actually got an appointment to Air Force academy that I turned down like a young dummy and went into the army). No one can argue that standards have not been drastically lowered to incorporate women into the military, law enforcement, fire fighting etc. Men seem to always take on and are tasked with the most dangerous and risky work and women get priority in career advancement and training opportunities. Always in the name of diversity and the mission always suffers. Take a look at all the soldiers, cops, firefighters that were killed on duty vs women the past 20 years.Pretty simple solution hold women to same standards as men

When women screw up I have never seen the same disciplinary standards used on them vs men. In fact they always play the victim and start filing EEO complaints to avoid punishment. Have witnessed many men injured due to female incompetence on duty. Have witnessed dozens and dozens of instances of women having sex with fellow soldiers and Leo's while on duty. The man is always punished and the female walks away unscathed.

Trig- very impressive to grad West Point especially 30 years ago before they lowered standards.

This is 100% truth. I witnessed it both as a serving officer in operational units and two tours in the Training Command. Add to that, the purposeful emasculation of the Warrior Cult because women just can't handle aggressive behavior...

Commandant Responds to Troubling Study
on Marine Corps Culture


David Hilberry Berger is a United States Marine Corps general currently serving as the 38th Commandant of the
United States Marine Corps. Berger holds a BSc in Engineering from Tulane University, and two Master's degrees in
International Public Policy and Military Studies.Wikipedia
Born: Dec 21, 1959, Dover, Delaware, United States

7 Dec 2019
Military.com | By Oriana Pawlyk

SIMI VALLEY, Calif. -- The commandant of the Marine Corps has a message for fellow Marines who have a problem with women wearing the uniform: "Go somewhere else."

"If we have one leader, one Marine, who thinks that females are really a pain in my backside and they don't help my combat readiness, he's either or she's either got to change their mind, or go somewhere else," Marine Corps Commandant Gen. David Berger said during a discussion with reporters at the annual Reagan National Defense Forum on Saturday. "We have one standard in the Marine Corps. Not two, not three. One."

Berger said whether that individual was predisposed to view women negatively or learned the attitude while serving "doesn't matter."

"They have to change their opinion or move on," he said.

Berger was addressing questions surrounding a recently released study commissioned by the Corps which asked Marines for their perspective on service culture. Leaders granted anonymity, and some interviewees discussed widely held perceptions that women were a "danger" or "nuisance" despite their willingness to serve.

Berger said he was confident that Marine leadership understands why opposing women in the ranks cannot be tolerated, and those who can't fall in line must be held accountable. He added that education for young Marines and prospective recruits who will someday lead the force needs to be constant in order to dispel long-standing stereotypes.

Berger's comments come a few weeks after Maj. Gen. William Mullen, the head of Training and Education Command, revealed that he asked the commanding general of the Marine Corps' West Coast all-male recruit training depot to look at the way drill instructors are speaking to their recruits about women.

"We are concerned with some of the things that male drill instructors are saying to their male platoons about females," he told Military.com during an interview at Marine Corps Base Quantico, Virginia, last month.

Mullen did not identify specific complaints about what drill instructors are saying about women at either recruit depot, but said he wanted to be sure the problem didn't persist.

The way drill instructors influence how new Marines view women was one of the takeaways from a task force assembled to assess gender issues in the Marine Corps, Mullen said.

The task force was created in the wake of a massive 2017 social media scandal that left hundreds of male Marines investigated for allegedly sharing nude photos of their female colleagues online without their permission.

The scandal uncovered deep-rooted problems with how men in the service treat women, especially on social media websites.

"This is something we cannot take our eye off of," Berger added.

Ribka,

Don’t disagree.

I do disagree with this gross and wrong generalization.

As I disagree with most race and gender based negative generalizations.


[/quote]

The First Woman Has Made it Through
SEAL Officer Screening


Members of the U.S. Women’s National Water Polo Team test their grit while doing “surf immersion” training at
Naval Special Warfare (NSW) Center in Coronado, Calif., Nov. 6.
(U.S. Navy/Mass Communication Specialist 1st Class Anthony W. Walker)

11 Dec 2019
Military.com | By Hope Hodge Seck

The Navy marked a first earlier this year when a woman completed Navy SEAL officer assessment and selection, Military.com has learned.

At the quarterly meeting of the Defense Advisory Committee on Women in the Services in December, a Navy official disclosed that the woman had reached the end of the physically and mentally demanding two-week SOAS process in September. Ultimately, however, she was not selected for a SEAL contract, officials said.

While the military formally opened SEAL billets -- and all other previously closed jobs -- to women in 2016, no woman has yet made it to the infamous 24-week Basic Underwater Demolition/SEAL (BUD/S) training to date. If the woman had been selected for a SEAL contract at the end of SOAS, she would have been the first to reach BUD/S.

Capt. Tamara Lawrence, a spokeswoman for Naval Special Warfare, said the candidate had not listed the SEALs as her top-choice warfighting community. She was awarded placement in her top choice, Lawrence said.

"We do not discuss details of a candidate's non-selection so it does not interfere with their successful service in other warfighter communities," she said.

Candidates for SOAS are taken from college Reserve Officer Training Corps programs, service academies, and the Navy's Officer Candidate School, all prior to getting their first Navy contract. Lawrence declined to specify which pathway the recent female candidate had taken out of concern that doing so would reveal her identity.

Lt. Grace Olechowski, force integration officer with Naval Special Warfare Command, said five women had been invited to participate in SOAS since the pipeline was opened to women. Three had entered SOAS to date, but only one had completed assessment and selection.

Military.com broke the news in 2017 that a first female student had entered SOAS -- an ROTC student at a U.S. college. She ultimately exited the process before reaching the selection panel, however.

Lawrence said the SEAL officer selection process is candidate-neutral, meaning the selection board does not know the gender or other personal information of the candidates.

"Selection is based on the candidate's scores during the two-week SOAS assessment," she said. "This process ensures every candidate has a fair and equal chance based on Naval Special Warfare standards."

It's also possible that not listing the SEALs as a primary career choice would factor against a candidate in the selection process.

The selection panel is made up of senior SEAL officers, Lawrence said, who use SOAS assessment data along with resume information to select "the most competitive candidates."

Roughly 180 candidates are selected every year to attend SEAL officer assessment and selection, she said; on average, the top 85 candidates are chosen to continue on to SEAL training. There are four two-week SOAS blocks held every year.

While SOAS precedes the award of a final SEAL contract, it is not for the faint of heart. It was previously called "mini-BUD/S" in a nod to its grueling and rigorous nature.

"Physical stress and sleep deprivation are applied to reveal authentic character traits," the Navy says on its official Naval Special Warfare recruiting site. "Performance and interview data on every candidate is meticulously documented and presented to the NSW Selection Panel."

Well, two.... (or so, perhaps, but maybe more if we need to. )

https://www.military.com/military-f...-requirements/usmc-physical-fitness-test

Pugs beat me to it, but I will add, it's a BOLD FACE LIE

"We have one standard in the Marine Corps. Not two, not three. One."

TyBone? Girl Scout troop?
If you'd stop trying to insult someone with every response you make, folks might just take you seriously and engage you with better conversation. Seems that you yourself continue to prove who the "idiot" is in this thread.

Maybe if you didn’t just insult 1/3 of the force with your “lesbian or slut” comment I wouldn’t have pointed out how stupid you are?

Hopefully, you’re not still in.

If it helps show them the path to the door, then it's well worth it.

Tybone,

You're an idiot, as well.

I'm sure your husband is proud of you....

Pugs and Jorge,

Unless the Corps has changed, why do you think all Marines need to be able to perform the most grueling physical duty? Isn't the Corps like every other service where there are a lot of positions that can be done, and done well, by people who are not the Incredible Hulk?

And, don't we want the less physical people in the rear and the Hulks up front?

What am I missing?

Every Marine's a RifleMAN....

Dave, my father warned me about people in the military like you. Even then he knew that PC is a killer that pretends to love, but is really just holier-than-thou posturing at the expense of lives.

I'm not arguing women are equally qualified as men in all MOS, nor am I arguing against the Marine concept that every Marine is a rifleman.

Not saying women make better pilots or worse pilots, better commanding officers or worst commanding officers, better NCOs or worse NCOs.

I'm saying that the statement below is idiotic and wrong.

If you believe the statement below is true, for whatever reason, you're an imbecile.

And that the person who made that statement, by extension, must be an imbecile.

Its not PC to be offended when some asshat calls most of the women you've served with sluts.

I doubt your father warned you against working for a commanding officer who was prior enlisted and worked his way up in the ranks by being fair, and playing to everyone's strengths, and helping everyone and anyone suitable for military service to succeed in their assigned mission.

I asked a significant number of people to leave the service and enforced it through the UCMJ where necessary. 35? 45? It was a lot over all those years of service and in command.

Absolutely none of them were because they were a woman who served beyond their initial contract, and therefore, on no other basis, must have been a slut.

I will reiterate; WOMEN DO NOT BELONG in the combat arms or ANY of the Marshall Professions and I include Firemen, Police, etc., but to your point, yes it is absolute malicious (and wrong) hyperbole.

Thank you Jorge.

You beat me too it Jorge. The Marines, of all the services, with their rich fighting heritage, should restrict female participation to clerical work and handling the gear in the rear.

I'm merely pointing out the hypocrisy of the Commandant. There are multiple standards in the military and this is merely one of them. The PT standards are divided among the sexes and not among the roles.

I spent some TDY time working as a recorder for promotion boards (statutory) as well as some non-statuary boards (mostly unit level OIC type positions) and the set asides and double standards were obvious. When a selection that was not made of the right mix of sex/race then we got re-convened to do it again after legal and senior level Navy review. It was eye-opening and disheartening to see a white male who worked hard and did the right things well not make a critical career milestone because of a set aside. In fact, it's the primary reason I left active duty and finished my career in the Reserves where I could concentrate on being a great NFO and respected tactician and still become a senior officer without the need to hit career specific roles.

I will not make the mistake that you appear to be making in taking your experience and painting the services with a broad brush but that was my experience (86-07) in the Navy and I certainly stand behind my experience.

Pugs,

The ONLY thing I'm "broad brushing" is that all of the 300K or so women in uniform on active, Reserve or Guard status on their second or subsequent tours are not all lesbians or sluts.

Some men simply see ALL women as just that, lesbians or sluts.

Good point!