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Ribka,

Don’t disagree.

I do disagree with this gross and wrong generalization.

As I disagree with most race and gender based negative generalizations.


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The First Woman Has Made it Through
SEAL Officer Screening


Members of the U.S. Women’s National Water Polo Team test their grit while doing “surf immersion” training at
Naval Special Warfare (NSW) Center in Coronado, Calif., Nov. 6.
(U.S. Navy/Mass Communication Specialist 1st Class Anthony W. Walker)

11 Dec 2019
Military.com | By Hope Hodge Seck

The Navy marked a first earlier this year when a woman completed Navy SEAL officer assessment and selection, Military.com has learned.

At the quarterly meeting of the Defense Advisory Committee on Women in the Services in December, a Navy official disclosed that the woman had reached the end of the physically and mentally demanding two-week SOAS process in September. Ultimately, however, she was not selected for a SEAL contract, officials said.

While the military formally opened SEAL billets -- and all other previously closed jobs -- to women in 2016, no woman has yet made it to the infamous 24-week Basic Underwater Demolition/SEAL (BUD/S) training to date. If the woman had been selected for a SEAL contract at the end of SOAS, she would have been the first to reach BUD/S.

Capt. Tamara Lawrence, a spokeswoman for Naval Special Warfare, said the candidate had not listed the SEALs as her top-choice warfighting community. She was awarded placement in her top choice, Lawrence said.

"We do not discuss details of a candidate's non-selection so it does not interfere with their successful service in other warfighter communities," she said.

Candidates for SOAS are taken from college Reserve Officer Training Corps programs, service academies, and the Navy's Officer Candidate School, all prior to getting their first Navy contract. Lawrence declined to specify which pathway the recent female candidate had taken out of concern that doing so would reveal her identity.

Lt. Grace Olechowski, force integration officer with Naval Special Warfare Command, said five women had been invited to participate in SOAS since the pipeline was opened to women. Three had entered SOAS to date, but only one had completed assessment and selection.

Military.com broke the news in 2017 that a first female student had entered SOAS -- an ROTC student at a U.S. college. She ultimately exited the process before reaching the selection panel, however.

Lawrence said the SEAL officer selection process is candidate-neutral, meaning the selection board does not know the gender or other personal information of the candidates.

"Selection is based on the candidate's scores during the two-week SOAS assessment," she said. "This process ensures every candidate has a fair and equal chance based on Naval Special Warfare standards."

It's also possible that not listing the SEALs as a primary career choice would factor against a candidate in the selection process.

The selection panel is made up of senior SEAL officers, Lawrence said, who use SOAS assessment data along with resume information to select "the most competitive candidates."

Roughly 180 candidates are selected every year to attend SEAL officer assessment and selection, she said; on average, the top 85 candidates are chosen to continue on to SEAL training. There are four two-week SOAS blocks held every year.

While SOAS precedes the award of a final SEAL contract, it is not for the faint of heart. It was previously called "mini-BUD/S" in a nod to its grueling and rigorous nature.

"Physical stress and sleep deprivation are applied to reveal authentic character traits," the Navy says on its official Naval Special Warfare recruiting site. "Performance and interview data on every candidate is meticulously documented and presented to the NSW Selection Panel."

Well, two.... (or so, perhaps, but maybe more if we need to. )

https://www.military.com/military-f...-requirements/usmc-physical-fitness-test

Pugs beat me to it, but I will add, it's a BOLD FACE LIE

"We have one standard in the Marine Corps. Not two, not three. One."

TyBone? Girl Scout troop?
If you'd stop trying to insult someone with every response you make, folks might just take you seriously and engage you with better conversation. Seems that you yourself continue to prove who the "idiot" is in this thread.

Maybe if you didn’t just insult 1/3 of the force with your “lesbian or slut” comment I wouldn’t have pointed out how stupid you are?

Hopefully, you’re not still in.

If it helps show them the path to the door, then it's well worth it.

Tybone,

You're an idiot, as well.

I'm sure your husband is proud of you....

Pugs and Jorge,

Unless the Corps has changed, why do you think all Marines need to be able to perform the most grueling physical duty? Isn't the Corps like every other service where there are a lot of positions that can be done, and done well, by people who are not the Incredible Hulk?

And, don't we want the less physical people in the rear and the Hulks up front?

What am I missing?

Every Marine's a RifleMAN....

Dave, my father warned me about people in the military like you. Even then he knew that PC is a killer that pretends to love, but is really just holier-than-thou posturing at the expense of lives.

I'm not arguing women are equally qualified as men in all MOS, nor am I arguing against the Marine concept that every Marine is a rifleman.

Not saying women make better pilots or worse pilots, better commanding officers or worst commanding officers, better NCOs or worse NCOs.

I'm saying that the statement below is idiotic and wrong.

If you believe the statement below is true, for whatever reason, you're an imbecile.

And that the person who made that statement, by extension, must be an imbecile.

Its not PC to be offended when some asshat calls most of the women you've served with sluts.

I doubt your father warned you against working for a commanding officer who was prior enlisted and worked his way up in the ranks by being fair, and playing to everyone's strengths, and helping everyone and anyone suitable for military service to succeed in their assigned mission.

I asked a significant number of people to leave the service and enforced it through the UCMJ where necessary. 35? 45? It was a lot over all those years of service and in command.

Absolutely none of them were because they were a woman who served beyond their initial contract, and therefore, on no other basis, must have been a slut.

I will reiterate; WOMEN DO NOT BELONG in the combat arms or ANY of the Marshall Professions and I include Firemen, Police, etc., but to your point, yes it is absolute malicious (and wrong) hyperbole.

Thank you Jorge.

You beat me too it Jorge. The Marines, of all the services, with their rich fighting heritage, should restrict female participation to clerical work and handling the gear in the rear.

I'm merely pointing out the hypocrisy of the Commandant. There are multiple standards in the military and this is merely one of them. The PT standards are divided among the sexes and not among the roles.

I spent some TDY time working as a recorder for promotion boards (statutory) as well as some non-statuary boards (mostly unit level OIC type positions) and the set asides and double standards were obvious. When a selection that was not made of the right mix of sex/race then we got re-convened to do it again after legal and senior level Navy review. It was eye-opening and disheartening to see a white male who worked hard and did the right things well not make a critical career milestone because of a set aside. In fact, it's the primary reason I left active duty and finished my career in the Reserves where I could concentrate on being a great NFO and respected tactician and still become a senior officer without the need to hit career specific roles.

I will not make the mistake that you appear to be making in taking your experience and painting the services with a broad brush but that was my experience (86-07) in the Navy and I certainly stand behind my experience.

Pugs,

The ONLY thing I'm "broad brushing" is that all of the 300K or so women in uniform on active, Reserve or Guard status on their second or subsequent tours are not all lesbians or sluts.

Some men simply see ALL women as just that, lesbians or sluts.

Good point!