Good read here about the upcoming pro-2A rally in Richmond, VA and how the other guys might use it against us.

I fear for the Republic that I love.

RICHMOND, the Mother of all Buffalo Jumps

It’s already being called a “white supremacist” rally. One popped primer and all hell is going to break loose.

Richmond: The Mother of All Buffalo Jumps

The more I ponder the mass demonstration being promoted by the Virginia Citizens Defense League for the annual Lobby Day at the Richmond Capitol, the more it looks like a disaster in the making. I wish it were otherwise, but I see many times more downside risk than possible upside benefit.

Even if Virginia Senate Bill 16 is passed, banning nearly all semi-automatic firearms, the new law will be challenged in court, and given the potential dire outcomes, the case will rapidly ascend to the SCOTUS. This process will take years, and Governor Ralph Northam and the Democrat majority in the legislature may be voted out in the meantime, and the law overturned. So why, before all that happens, go charging into Richmond in just a few weeks? Will rabidly anti-gun urban Democrats be convinced to change their minds because of a mass rally by their despised deplorable enemies? Not a chance. Instead, it will only harden their resolve. Now let’s look at the downside risks, which I have divided into overlapping scenarios, from best to worst case.

Scenario 1: Best Case

Even if nobody is seriously injured on January 20, some percentage of the Second Amendment crowd (or anti-gun trolls posing as such in order to discredit them) will show up wearing camouflage while waving long guns, Confederate battle flags, and, as in Charlottesville, even some Nazi swastika flags. No matter what the VCDL intends, this fringe element will become the national media image of the entire event. And trust me, these morons and bad actors will show up in Richmond. Believe it or not, there is actually a lunatic element that considers Charlottesville to have been a victory for the far right, “because now everybody knows we’re here to fight!” (The same could be said about Pickett’s Charge and Custer’s Last Stand. “Moral victories.” Yeah, right.)

These attention-seeking media whores and social-collapse “accelerationists” will never miss an opportunity to strut and preen for a national television audience. They will be in Richmond first, up front with their banners, and the mainstream media cameras will give them the national spotlight and face-time that they crave like needle junkies crave dope. Remember Charlottesville, and the many Confederate battle flags, and a few Nazi flags. Remember their torchlight march through the university. The VCDL Lobby Day organizers can decry them and beg them not to come to Richmond, but come they will. The Neo-Nazis and other “accelerationists” are locked in a twisted symbiotic relationship with the leftist media. Like it or not, camo-clad yahoos waving Confederate “stars and bars” and even Nazi flags will become the national image of the Second Amendment (2A) movement. The yellow Gadsden “Don’t Tread On Me” flag will forever be associated with the Confederate and Nazi flags. And this is the best case scenario!

This is the “official” Wikipedia image for the Charlottesville fiasco. Learn, people, learn!




Scenario 2: The Bus Brawl

Buses from afar can only arrive in cities and peacefully discharge their many passengers with the helpful cooperation of local LE. Picture one or more buses full of rural pro-2A supporters, mostly boomers, and many packing their legal CCW pistols, being attacked after law enforcement (LE) officers deliberately direct them down “Antifa Alley.” Watch this Andy Ngo video from Portland to see buses swarmed by Antifas. Folks arriving in dozens of buses will be extremely vulnerable in tight city quarters.

Back to my Richmond Scenario 2: On exiting the bus or buses, a rumble predictably results, with LE suddenly nowhere to be seen. Antifa clubs are answered by Glocks, SIGs and 1911s. Then a LE sniper on a rooftop sees a drawn pistol, and kills the 2A supporter with a rifle shot to the head. In panic and confusion a dozen more pistols are drawn, and all hell breaks loose, leading to…

Scenario 3: Waco Twin Peaks Redux

For the past several months since announcing their proposed gun bans, Governor Northam and prominent Virginia Democrats have been receiving threats of bodily harm, up to and including being hanged from lamp posts as traitors. Be aware that the governor’s mansion—Northam’s house—is also located on Capitol Square. Take it as a settled fact that there will be Virginia State Police (VSP) and federal law enforcement agency (FBI and ATF) snipers on every rooftop parapet surrounding and overlooking the square. Please study the two satellite images of downtown Richmond around Capitol Square to have a better idea of the terrain that pro-2A demonstrators will encounter. Understand that the Richmond and Virginia State Police will have tight control of every downtown block, and they will simply not tolerate a mass demonstration of gun-toting rednecks and yahoos, (as seen from their liberal, anti-gun, urban perspective.)


Law Enforcement will lock down the city and make mass arrests before permitting that to happen. And local LE will control the parking (especially for the many expected buses) and they will control the vehicle and pedestrian routes into and around Capitol Square. Anybody who thinks that they are just going to be able to drive into downtown Richmond, park with no hassles, and then, afoot, swarm and overwhelm the Capitol grounds with angry pro-2A demonstrators is a fool. Law enforcement will be fully expecting trouble on a Charlottesville (or worse) level, and there will be a downtown Richmond LE presence on a presidential visit level.


On the other hand, anti-gun Virginia politicians and LE brass (often aspiring politicos) will not pass up the golden opportunity, delivered like a gift on a silver platter, to trash and ruin the statewide and national image of the Second Amendment movement. If Charlottesville is a guide, 2A supporters and Antifas will deliberately be herded together to instigate telegenic brawls—or worse—in order to discredit the constitutional gun rights movement.

Along with Charlottesville, now I’d like to introduce another example with potential points of comparison to Lobby Day. Please recall the biker club meet-up in Waco Texas at the Twin Peaks restaurant in May of 2015. Even though the bikers were there for peaceful purposes, Waco law enforcement, anticipating the potential for violence, was covering the event with undercover SWAT officers. Who fired first and why is debatable, but nine bikers were killed, at least four of them by police .223 caliber rifle ammunition, and more than twenty were critically wounded. No biker was ever tied to a shooting by forensic evidence, and some believe that most or even all of the casualties were the result of shots fired by LE rifles, with bullets passing through their victims. The high percentage of biker casualties resulting from head shots also cause some to believe those shots were fired by LE rifles equipped with magnified optical sights.

Over 175 bikers were arrested that day, and they all faced identical felony charges: “engaging in organized criminal activity resulting in murder and aggravated assault.” They were all held on million dollar bail, and dozens were jailed for months and financially bankrupted, even though not one conviction was ever obtained, and eventually all charges were dropped. No police were ever charged. Please read a few articles about the Twin Peaks disaster to consider the potential for violent mayhem when LE snipers and undercover officers are set up in place to cover a large outdoor event they feel has the potential for violence.

Then ask yourself if you think LE snipers will be set up around the Richmond Capitol Square when they fully expect thousands of angry “redneck gun nuts” to arrive, possibly armed. Richmond Lobby Day has Twin Peaks potential on steroids. It won’t matter who pulls the first gun, or why, or who fires first. As in Waco, all hell can break loose in seconds, multiple fatalities can result, as well as hundreds being arrested…and the entire bloody fiasco will be blamed on the “dangerous gun nuts” who came to Richmond to make trouble.

Next, read the following for some more context, and an idea about what kind of reception to expect in Richmond:

FBI National Press Office / March 8, 2019

David W. Archey Named Special Agent in Charge of the Richmond Field Office

FBI Director Christopher Wray has named David W. Archey as special agent in charge of the Richmond Field Office. Mr. Archey most recently served as a deputy assistant director in the Counterintelligence Division at FBI Headquarters and was assigned as the FBI senior lead at the Special Counsel’s Office. /snip/ Mr. Archey returned to the Baltimore Field Office in 2010 as the supervisory special agent for the counterintelligence squad. In 2012, he received the Office of the Director of National Intelligence Award for Excellence in Counterintelligence Operations. In April 2013, Mr. Archey led the Baltimore Field Office’s counterintelligence and cyber divisions as assistant special agent in charge. He was promoted to section chief at FBI Headquarters in September 2014, where he oversaw the Global Section in the Counterintelligence Division. Mr. Archey was then named deputy assistant director of the Weapons of Mass Destruction Directorate in October 2016.

So the top Fed in Richmond is an anti-Trump FBI counterintelligence expert (like Peter Strzok) who just finished working for Robert Mueller as part of the deep state coup effort. Now, what do you think the chances are that he’s going to be favorably disposed toward thousands of angry “Constitution fanatic gun nuts” heading toward Virginia’s capital, (where he lives and works), to teach the liberal Democrat political ruling class a hard lesson? Look at that downtown Richmond satellite image again, and check out all the government facilities ringing the capitol, including the nearby Federal Building, home of the local FBI and ATF.

General Custer, ahem, sir, that is the Little Big Horn down there, and you are outnumbered and outgunned.

Nah, it’s just another Indian village like all the rest. Charge!

And let’s not forget that James A. Fielding is currently serving a sentence of life plus 419 years for vehicular homicide following what happened in Charlottesville when his car was surrounded by angry Antifas. But I’m sure nothing like that could happen in Richmond, because our cause is just, and our hearts are pure. Really? That’s the VCDL plan?

As the Marines like to say, “Hope is not a plan.”

Scenario 4: The False Flag Operation

My worst fear for Lobby Day is the opportunity for a mass-casualty false flag operation conducted by an Antifa-type individual or group, (with or without any connections to a series of government cutouts.) This FFO could arrive in the form of a single person like the GOP baseball practice attacker James Hodgkinson, or a small group providing transportation and other support to the shooter. (Have you heard of Redneck Revolt, or the John Brown Gun Club?) Firing from behind and above a pro-2A crowd and across the street into an anti-gun crowd is the worst case scenario, and that’s exactly why it would have great appeal to a dedicated Anarcho-Communist. Within the same day, the media would be connecting the massacre to President Trump, and in a week, many Americans would believe that he was indirectly responsible for the carnage.

Anarcho-Communists believe that their noble revolutionary ends justify any means, so killing members of their own side can be justified as necessary “collateral damage” if the result is an effective FFO that will be blamed on their hated “right-wing white nationalist” enemies. This potential outcome will be so tempting that a Richmond Lobby Day FFO cannot be ruled out. The false narrative discrediting the gun rights movement would be carved in stone before any investigation revealed the truth behind a false flag massacre, if ever.

And by no means will potential violence be confined to Capitol Square, which will have an extremely heavy LE presence. With the Capitol grounds under firm LE control, the pedestrian routes to and from downtown Richmond parking areas may also turn into bloody gantlets, as happened in Charlottesville, Phoenix, Berkeley, Portland and elsewhere. (Additionally, open-sided multi-level parking garages are very effective urban sniper hides, and they must be fully occupied by LE to prevent their misuse, as occurred in Dallas in 2016 when a radical black racist sniper murdered five police officers and wounded nine others during a Black Lives Matter march.)

But hey, maybe I’m all wrong, and it will be a Kumbaya love-fest between pro-gun 2A boomers arriving with their CCW pistols, Antifas from Redneck Revolt and The John Brown Gun Club with their shields and clubs (and guns?), actual neo-Nazi “accelerationist” idiots, lefty trolls dressed as Nazis, the Bloomberg “Everytown” gun grabbers, climate change activists, pro-life and pro-choice groups, the Richmond Police, the VSP, the FBI, the ATF, and all the other Lobby Day participants. What could possibly go wrong? (Not to mention that FBI and VSP super-high-res crowd scanning cameras will capture every face and cell phone interaction for social network analysis and future use.)

Please understand that the January 20th Lobby Day is not owned by the VCDL or the pro-Second Amendment right. January 20 is also Martin Luther King Day, so there will not only be Antifas and gun grabbers present, but black civil rights groups mixed into the spicy gumbo. And because it’s a federal holiday, state schools and most government offices will be closed for MLK Day, so there will be plenty of potential third-party opposition on hand.

So, knowing all the above, now ask yourself, do you think that Governor Northam is stupid? Perhaps he is, despite the fact that he made it through medical school and became a pediatric neurologist. He was certainly stupid to choose to place his high school “Coonman” blackface-KKK picture in his medical school yearbook in 1984, at age 25, oblivious to its readily foreseen future negative ramifications. And he was politically very stupid to say aloud on the radio that he supported post-birth “choice” in the matter of keeping unwanted babies alive.


It’s very likely that Virginia’s new gun bans, if passed by the legislature, will be challenged in the courts and overturned, so there is no rush to charge into Richmond with a show of force on January 20, when the potential for a counter-productive backfire is so great. When an enemy is making a mistake, as Northam and the Virginia Democrat gun grabbers currently are, let them make it unimpeded! Don’t steal their fool’s spotlight by making an even bigger mistake that will overshadow theirs. Remember Charlottesville, and learn from what happened at Twin Peaks in Texas.

Even if Northam is indeed personally stupid, I have no doubt that he surrounded by very sharp deep-state operatives who see January 20 as a golden opportunity to permanently discredit the Second Amendment movement. Just as there are “accelerationists” on the conservative gun rights side, there are what I would term “arsonists” on the anti-gun side who will jump at the chance to turn Richmond Lobby Day into Charlottesville times ten, and these sinister actors may already be planning a disastrous outcome for our side. These big government “arsonists” are the yin to the right-wing “accelerationist” yang. Both outlier groups desire to maximize chaos and violence for their own evil purposes.

So, Matt, do you have a better idea?

Okay, we get it. Bracken thinks a mass Second Amendment rally in Richmond on Lobby Day is a bad idea. So what would you do, Matt? Roll over and surrender? Give up your guns without a fight?

Hell no. I’d continue to marshal our forces for maximum effect at local county and city council meetings. The 2A sanctuary county movement has been extremely effective at getting positive attention through this means. We should keep attending every local political meeting in force. Make your local politicos feel the heat. Keep pressing at the county and city level. Experiment with holding “unorganized militia” flash mob events. Be imaginative, and always use friendly local terrain to your advantage.

And I’d arrange other types of demonstrations, also on favorable friendly ground, using social media to distribute a strong message. For example, groups can hold and film what I would call “William Tell” events, where local shooters rendezvous and get on the firing line together for firepower demonstrations. The combined sound and fury of fifty or more semi-auto rifles banging away against steel targets at 100 yards would be very impressive, especially if different counties held similar demonstrations on the same day, all filmed and then combined for upload to the internet. The point is, if we want to demonstrate our strength, do it on friendly ground, using technology and social media to spread the message.

For our side, downtown Richmond is the worst terrain possible for an angry showdown. Does anybody really think that there will be a positive political outcome when thousands of pro-gun folks take dozens of buses and hundreds of cars and trucks into downtown Richmond, to try to change the minds of the very politicians who already hate their deplorable stinking guts? That’s just foolish, in my humble opinion.

Some suggestions for those still planning to attend:

Do not wear camo, or bring long guns, not even in your vehicle. Expect to be pulled over by the VSP at highway off-ramps on the way into downtown Richmond for mandatory “safety checks,” where you will be asked about any firearms in your car or truck. The police will then ask to inspect them, and to see IDs from everybody with you. They will film you, and record all firearm serial numbers and identification information. You will be hassled and harassed if you refuse to cooperate. These “safety check” officers will not be in a good mood to hear lectures on the 4th Amendment. Depending on their orders, and your decisions, you may never even make it to the Capitol Square.

Expect to be directed by LE toward distant or inconvenient parking places. Downtown Richmond will be under heavy police control, and their directions will not be suggestions. Anticipate that the walking route from your parking place to Capitol Square will take you through hostile opponents from Antifa or anti-gun groups. If you encounter Antifas taunting you or making threats of violence, and you wind up pulling out a pistol to protect yourself, expect to be arrested and held with a very high bail. And remember what happened at Twin Peaks: once your pistol is out, LE snipers may have your head in their cross-hairs. Once ignited, this is an escalation dynamic that is very hard to control.

Final Thoughts

I’m sure that it feels fantastic to be a buffalo in the middle of a stampeding herd of your kin. A thousand tons of muscle, hooves and horns on the move, all thundering along together in a mighty gallop, shaking the very earth! Yes, that must feel very powerful. A thousand times more powerful than a few Indians waving blankets and setting small brush fires that you hardly notice from the middle of your galumphing herd.

Just make sure that you’re not being stampeded toward a cliff, by devious political operatives who are more clever and cold-hearted than you. Remember Charlottesville, and what happened at Twin Peaks. Please think long and hard about stampeding into Richmond for what might turn out to be the mother of all buffalo jumps.

Keep it smart, and keep it local. Be the Indian, not the buffalo.

This needs to be read by every 2A supporter and attendee. It plain feels like a rope-a-dope.

VCDL should put out the word that all firearms at the rally have bolts or pins removed, and don't bring any live ammo. Props only. Rubber guns, plywood replicas, et cetera. It's possible for this to be a giant success, but the enemy is clever and the good guys need to be better.

Antifa operatives will be all over, dispersed throughout the crowd and dressed in Klan-like uniforms. They'll be the focus of the MSM and called Nazis for public consumption. Pension-minded LEO will not be our friend at this scene.

Hmmmm- - - -so give the good guys rubber guns, and let ANTIFA do all the shooting with their real ones?????? Sounds like a plan to me- - - - -NOT!
Jerry

If any of you pussies don't want to go, just don't. No need for War and Peace.

Yes; disarm before being disarmed.

lmao Bend over too.

Remember, no Nerf guns either. Somebody could get an eye put out!

hahahahahha Definitely one of ours.

Keeps coming back to the idiots who didn’t vote . No we can’t change that and the future don’t look good .
To many haven’t thought this out for the long haul .
Once the shtf , going home stroking the keyboard will soon be over and not just for Va. this will get ugly throughout the land .
I hope this somehow works out , but seems we are on the slippery slope .
Not just Va , but the entire nation , so if you’re getting your popcorn ready , you might want to think about your six in the near future while munching .
Kenneth

If I lived in Virginia you coudn't catch me near that rally, for the reasons in the article.

I'll bet that at least 40% of the loudest protesters didn't even bother to vote in the 2018 election. Voter turnout is pathetic in this country.

Right on. Our posts crossed.

We already knew that.

Should be taken to the steps of every courthouse on the 20th, not just the state capital and not just Richmond.

No need for rallies or protests or any backbone. Surely the courts will restore your rights. Bwwaaaahaaahaaahaaahaa, Fuggin idiots.

Yeah , our post crossed but ducking ain’t going to fix things . As I said , We are on the slope .
Have thought about it and thought about it , as said above this has every thing needed for a disaster . Many are sick and tired of the lefts agendas and the media pumping the airwaves . Many of us wish there could be a better resolution , but it looks like we are going to have to dig and claw up this slope . I can not possibly put into words how ugly this slope will be .
Dead of winter at that .
Talked to some friends a week ago that. I hadn’t seen in a while , wealthy people , I could not believe they were not aware of the situation .
Even a little bit shocking , but not much , was thier response was “hell , I’m not going then” .
There will be many chest thumpers who will want to turn the pages back , but there will be many who will be burdened with the reckoning of the decision .
If there is a prayer that ever needed answering , Devine intervention would be great . But my experience in life has been you make your own path .
May we all be blessed , we as a nation certainly need it .
Kenneth

I know this year is different but VCDL has been doing this peacefully on this day for years without incident.

I’m hoping our turnout is huge and the dems turnout is minuscule.

I'll stick with props.
I've been following the "antifahgs" for some time. Summarized, these idiots are full blown Commies who want to relitigate Stalinism and return to the Depression-era street fights between fascist adherents and communists, which was a widespread phenonmenon in Europe after the Great War. Their stuff is all the anarcho-socialist craziness of that era, a completely warped ideology that has absolutely no basis in how the world really works.
So, we have really stupid people, who lust for the glory of a street riot, like in Potland -- anyone remember that old Stalinist who attacked the INS center in Oregon? He was a deluded, useless idiot. And there are thousands like him just praying (or whatever atheist anarchists do) for "revolution" leading to an anarchist paradise. They have nothing, lack the skills to GET anything, so they have nothing to lose. Put that against the mostly upstanding citizens with families and responsibilities who would (and should) be going to the VCDL rally. People who don't have the street-thug mindset.
The other thing about this is, I have been at other "revolts" where political opponents did everything to scare "normal" people away, anything to cut the size of the event down to below "critical mass" where the public would begin to think there's a legitimate beef being aired. Those events were the Bucket Brigade thing in Klamath, and the Shovel Rebellion at Jarbidge. The hype from the Harry Reid and eco-group crowd (professional PR shills) about "potential violence" was outrageous, and pretty scary. Thousands stayed home, but thousands came, nonetheless. There wasn't any violence. And it was a pretty good time in the end, as it turned out the protesters were simply American citizens standing for what they believe is right -- emphasis being "American citizens."
So, if I were to go, I'd bring my rubber AK, not the metal one.

There will be a, soros , rent a mob in force and to incite riots. I would not be surprised if there were, rent a felon, that is dressed and acts like 2A people that start a false flag event.

Fringe loonies on our side ALWAYS show up on “our side”, He in San Antonio I’ve seen ‘em at tea party and open carry rallies I went to, and the press zeroes in on them. Genuine or a plant no way of knowing.

This is gonna be the same day as the MLK Parade? Signage carried by folks there will accuse the 2A protests as “racist” and press will run with it

I would think that all those counties announcing 2A Sanctuary status is a powerful and effective statement.

Doing this parade on the same day, in Richmond, ain’t a good idea IMHO. Our enemies will be preparing to make it a zoo, more than the actual White Nationalists I mean.

The article linked in the OP is bullshit, tho it swerves close ta common sense, once.

There's only one reason ta attend the scheduled rally, and that's to kick the shat outta some POS on the other side.

Article tries ta explain how, if everbody acts "right", the Ministry o' Propaganda will hafta report the truth bout what happens at the rally.

And that ain't never gonna happen.

The MOP is gonna report what it wants, ignore what it doesn't want, and the truth ain't gonna change that reportin.

If you live within the state, it don't matter.

You're a pussy.

Maybe not individually a pussy, but people like you don't vote enough to count, as has been demonstrated at the last election.

If you live outside the state, it don't matter.

You're a pussy.

Maybe not individually a pussy, but people like you can't vote for or against anybody *in* the state, so WGAS bout you? Nobody.

So, wear a Go-Pro like a LEO bodycam.

Let some POS antifag become a threat (on camera), and take the threat out.

Preserve the evidence by downloadin it ta your computer.

And have a good time.

Be a lot of false flag schit at the rally

I bet quite a few antifa Dems will be carrying NAZI flags and kill the Jews signs and claim to be pro 2nd amendment and stand next to legit protesters for msm photo ops to label all gun owners as white supremists and NAZIS.


And the goobers, who never served in the military, will show up in full camo with AR 15’s The msm will salivate to get interviews with them.

Be curious if LEO’s will help start schit by ignoring security threats like in Charlottesville.

[quote=Dave_Skinner]I'll stick with props.


Forget the rubber AK.
Get a sheet of good 3/4 or 1 inch plywood.
Cut one out of that. Round the edges nicely.
It's not really a gun, but it would be a dandy contact weapon.


There isn't too much in that article I haven't already thought about.
I even posted "Charlottesville" in another thread.

Don't think one of those scenarios are just possible.
Expect more th an one of them to play out.
The gun toting racists will be there. And become the face of
The Second.

Violence will also happen.
Bet on it.

And unlike a few big talking self made hero's here,
intelligent people understand how easily anyone can become
a casualty.

I think those are pretty accurate scenarios, David. I avoid any and all demonstrations, I won't even gawk at a collection of 3 crazies protesting.

But I'll add to the scenario - I predict that not only will there be LE sniper teams, there will also be counter sniper teams. Take your pick as to whose side they'll be on, probably both.

Bolsheviks are the leading authority on all manner of chickenshit-ism. Their frag order for such an event was in place well before the 2A people even thought about attending.

Well, if we are shot out of the saddle before the event even starts, where does that leave us? At some point isn’t it necessary show our true mettle? Or do we let the communists carry us off into the night?

I think this is spot on.

I’ve always thought the best manner to deal with these individuals is the same way they deal with their foe. Except get to them first a la 4th generational warfare type scenario. They are extremely well organized. Communication and signal appears to be one of their key strengths. Socila media & MSM. Infiltration of their side with a 5th collumnist type movement would be a good start. Totally out of the picture fight.



The other thing is the 2A side needs a Soros type financier.

That’s just my feeble thinking. The fight needs to be totally underground and out of the limelight. An underground war.

“Frag Order”; now that’s a term I haven’t heard in a while! Happy Trails

Lots of big talk for sure.

Unfortunately, I just don’t see the same degree of ruthlessness displayed by the 2A side. However both sides have no shortage of useful idiots. Just one side uses theirs more efficiently than the other.

THeir side plans an event to destroy. The 2A side plans an event with all the tenacity of a pancake supper.

I can’t think of a major protest where the results were positive. The sanctuary city decelerations and bugging the schit out of local politicians might get more traction.

Everyone at Richmond is going to fall under a single “label” that will represent all gun owners.

The media will be sure of it....

and the left hopes no one will do nothing... as usual...and where has that gotten any conservative ideal?

Plenty of threats of why everyone should stand down...

well less than 7% of the American population supported the Revolt against King George back in the 1770s...

and its always the few who stand and fight for the rights of the many...

how many say, freedom isn't free.. and then think of reason to avoid putting skin in the game...or their ass in harms way..

how many people in our society are putting themselves in harms way, with no rewards but a pay check, or a lifetime
healthcare account down at the VA when they hurt themselves...

and in return, we have the chicken little brigade folks out in full force, to avoid getting beat up or hurt by a bunch of America hating unemployed communists, with no real purpose or direction in life except to cause mayhem on our streets and in our society border to border.. if one can't stand up to them face to face, does one deserve the right to sit behind a key board and complain about them wrecking their country?

When the colonists tried to play the revolution game by Brit rules, slugging it out toe to toe with experienced troops and/or mercenaries, they got massacred. They learned fast, however- - - -and their hit and run tactics worked. Why give the ANTIFA communists time to get organized? Disrupt their logistics while they're assembling, then fade away to do it again- - - -repeatedly. They need buses and other behind the scenes support. Buses don't roll very well with several flat tires, or engine compartment fires, etc. Crossbow bolts and fusees don't leave much of a sound signature for sophisticated electronic tracking devices to home in on.

I suppose on the 21st we’ll know...

Has anyone heard about “counter protestors” in Richmond?

Yes been hearing about them for a while. Hard to say what is legit or rumor but I would count on there being quite a few there trying to start trouble.

kinda the same attitude was had by many in the Revolutionary War or say the Battle of Britain during WW2...

well, we guess we will know what happened the day afterwards....

or what happened the day after Iran just shot missiles into a few installations harboring US troops in Iraq....
well WW 3 didn't start as the chickenlittle left was predicting.. and much to their chagrin...
the left was willing to see the USA into WW3, just so they could point the finger at Trump..
that's how bad they want to see him out of office...even at the expense of our national security...

just kinda like Antifa, Soros, Bloomberg, et al...

Some people did some sheit.

There's lots of reasons NOT to defend your rights. Either you stand for what you believe or you're NOT a believer. You're a friggin sheep!

Democrats are leading an insurrection against the Constitution of the United States. They seek to destroy every fundamental right of the people as contained in the Constitution. The Democratic party should be declared to be a domestic terror group as well as an enemy of the people.

Hmmm....guess I’m an ass then. How much did the flight from Oregon to Virginia cost?

Scenario #911

The defenders of 2A call it Midnight and tip over 99.9% of the anti gun protesters with heat...Then take the Capital, slow walk all the anti gun politicians outside buck-assed naked and tell them each to explain to the live cameras why they believed they could overthrow a democracy of and for the people and disregard our Constitution.

After they weep, wail, blame their parents and their childhood for themselves growing into lying, thieving, American Flag disrespecting POS. They get hanged.

After the media crews have filmed the first day of the Newest American Revolution. Every liberal media camera operator, print reporter and tv reporter catch the last rounds of heat for that day.

Then someone holding an American Flag in one hand and an AR in the other says to all 2A supporters there. Today is the day the people have spoken...Today is the day the people say no....Today is the day it began...Tomorrow will be the day we come for the rest of you who had parents and childhoods that allowed you to believe our freedom can be taken away by you....😎


Joke, sarcasm, prank call, red flag state here, just reading from a book....Yeah GFY 🖕🏾🖕🏿🖕🖕🏼🖕🏻

I'm from Virginia.. and I have family business to do back there anyway...

so its not really an imposition... and I'm a road warrior, I don't deal with TSA or Airlines any more..

Cross country trips are no big deal to me.. I've done many.. and stayed with a surprising number of campfire members along the way, at their invitation...

and ya know, those that don't believe in something shouldn't really criticize people who do believe in something..

its easier to sit behind a key board and do nothing but point an accusational finger at others, than it is to get off one's ass and do something about the things you believe in.. like your country and the rights given to us in the Constitution by our forefathers....

if you don't believe in or care about your Second Amendment rights.. there are those out there that will volunteer to be there in support of the Cops as they take them away from you....and I'm not speaking of the Anti Gun Crowd...

LOTS OF INSIGHT THERE!

The same VIRGINIANs that wrote the Federal Constitution (1787) also wrote the VIRGINIA Constitution (1776)... 10 YEARS PRIOR... Think about that for a minute...

Virginia's wrote and ratified their Constitution 10+/- years prior to the US Constitution.

The VIRGINIA Constitution (below) is even MORE DETAILED (regarding self defense/militia) than the Federal Constitution:

Section 13. That a well regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, trained to arms, is the proper, natural, and safe defense of a free state; that standing armies, in time of peace, should be avoided as dangerous to liberty; and that in all cases the military should be under strict subordination to, and governed by, the civil power.

Virginia's Constitution is NOT like California or Illinois etc.

IF the New World Order (NWO) elite can nullify the VIRGINIA Constitution... the Federal Constitution will logically also be mute... BECAUSE IT WAS BIRTHED FROM THE VIRGINIA Constitution.

Virginia is the epicenter of this battle for control of the US...

If Virginia fall... Texas will probably be next... then the rest of the US...

Pro-China Communists claim credit for flipping Virginia blue

Tinfoil hat or not... doesn't really matter to me. The US is in a cold war and the vast majority of people don't even realize it.

Deny it or don't... again doesn't really matter to me. War is coming.

FYI... Saturday, December 6th was a beautiful day for nice relaxing barbecue back in 1941... in Hawaii.

What always amazes me about the liberals and their LGBTQXYZ/snowflake/anti 2A whatever agenda... is that very muslims/communists et all... that THEY SO CELEBRATE... WANT TO KILL THEM DEAD for being gay etc.... AND WE DO NOT

Simply unbelievable that they HATE us rough men... People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.

Who’s pointing what where?

Now THAT IS FUNNY! You, a rough man? What a joke. You are a rough keyboardist for sure.

Thanks for the hoot. I love laughing at people like you.

Translation...I wish I had a father like you.

Leroy will be there, masked of course.

the one thing about that article though

as the writer admits, SCOTUS will shut down this law

so while I believe its possible this will be a full blown riot with armed citizens, going or not going isn't going to change the end game of the law.

and if law abiding Americans do get killed by police over demonstrating for the right to bear arms, its going to give pause for anyone in the future who tries this sort of thing again - on both sides.

Lots of retards laugh uncontrollably to things that for normal folks, aren't funny. Laugh all you want to you commie POS.

I’m telling you, if this goes without incident, it’s 100% success. One scuffle that gets dramatized and it’s a complete failure.

While I don’t trust 100% of gun owners, I certainly believe 100% in their rights.

January 21st will be the day of “toldja so’s” and I hope it’s the 2A side.

Either way, you’ll see the headline “White Supremacists March on MLK Day”......bet on it.

So,
Where's Trump?
Where's the NRA?

just hangin round


https://www.thenation.com/article/the-nra-took-a-big-swing-in-virginia-and-missed/

If the Mayor of Richmond allows the police to do their job, unlike the Liberal Mayor of Portland and his City Commissioners, the demonstration will likely go well. Anti-Provocateurs creativity is undeniable.

All any Chief of Police has to do is look to Portland and the Antifa anti-anything crowd to understand the actions these demonstrators will attempt to cause a riot....Shut them down with arrests in the beginning, then watch the local and national news portray the police as fascists and uniformed storm troopers.

All the pro 2A attendees need to do is hold in their shît and police their own people for whacks that want to burn a primer. 😎

All of the VA cops I know are shooters and 2A to the hilt. So we got that going for us...which is nice.

But they ain’t in Richmond either.

Maybe figuring out how to take the guns first and maybe due process later...

VCDL president, Philip Van Cleave statements:
Monday, January 20, is VCDL's Lobby Day. It is not VCDL's Protest Day.
There is a distinct difference between the two.
Lobby Day is about, well, lobbying - sending a message to the General Assembly and to the Governor, Attorney General, and the Lt. Governor. That message is simple: no more gun control that in any way, shape, or form negatively affects law-abiding gun owners. Bills that go after criminals or bills that are beneficial to gun owners are fine.
While there have been some verbal threats by the Democrat leadership to push major gun control down the throats of Virginia's gun owners and some very bad bills already filed to back up that threat, NOTHING has happened yet and won't until after January 8. And perhaps it won't happen at all, if we press hard enough.
The sanctuary movement, with its absolutely massive turnouts of gun owners, is sending a deafening message to lawmakers ahead of Lobby Day. On top of that, we now believe the size of the crowd on Lobby Day could be absolutely incredible, possibly historic, if gun owners from around the state follow through and attend as we believe they will. You will absolutely want to be a part of this!
Militias
Various militia groups from Virginia and nearby states have graciously volunteered to provide security. With a large Capitol, Richmond, and State police presence, not to mention enough citizens armed with handguns to take over a modern mid-sized country, we have the security base covered nicely. That said, we welcome our militia brothers and sisters to be part of making the day a success! Some militia groups are looking to take canned food donations during Lobby Day and deliver them to a Richmond Food Bank.
Long Guns
If you are asking how you can help with VCDL's mission, carrying long guns at Lobby Day is not helpful - it is a distraction. VCDL's important messages inevitably get lost as the press rushes to get pictures of anyone carrying an AR or AK. The stories then become about the rifle, not VCDL's agenda. You can set your watch by it. Long guns are not easy to carry in a crowd, either. VCDL needs its voice heard loud and clear in order to able to stop the onslaught of gun-control bills.
Laws you need to know for carry in Richmond
You can't have a magazine in a centerfire rifle or pistol that holds more than 20 rounds unless you have a Concealed Handgun Permit (CHP). You must also have a CHP if the centerfire rifle or pistol has a threaded barrel or a folding stock. Click here to see the code section, which also covers similar restrictions on shotguns: 18.2-287.4
Open carry without a CHP is legal in Virginia, but watch the restrictions in the previous paragraph.
You need a CHP to carry in the General Assembly or Capitol Building. Once through security, you can carry openly or concealed in the buildings. You cannot carry in the gallery over the Senator Floor. Keep an eye on these alerts. Should any of this change, we will notify you here.
VCDL Lobby Day is a peaceful event about gun rights and NOTHING ELSE
We are NOT there to have arguments with the other side. They lobby, we lobby, and never the two shall meet. Just ignore them.
And we are not there to push any other agenda. Our total focus is on protecting our right to keep and bear arms. Period. This is not about flags, statues, history, etc. Just guns.
If you somehow find yourself being harassed by the other side, don't engage them. They could well be baiting you and recording what you do for propaganda purposes. If necessary, go find a police officer and let them take care of the person causing the disturbance. Otherwise, just ignore them and go about your business.
VCDL has a great relationship with the Capitol Police, the Richmond Police, the Virginia State Police, and most other law enforcement agencies in the Commonwealth. We welcome their presence and are glad they are there to keep everything peaceful, while we work on the job at hand.
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This should be a great event, with freedom-loving Americans from all walks of life standing should-to-should to protect our most precious civil right - the right of self-defense. See you there!
Philip Van Cleave

Kicked in the [bleep] and don't know what to do ain't it

Good cautions by Van Cleave.

THing is, we need to remember one thing about politics, and this is political at its core, is:

"The World is Run By Those Who Show Up!"

The attack is coming from the state level, not the local. How the [bleep] would standing around the courthouse in Harrisonburg have any impact on the traitors in Richmond?
JFC....

I completely disagree. No incident is ideal and everyone's hope. Antifa punks want to get physical, then guess what, they're gonna find out real quick they're not in Portland anymore. The guys I know going from here sure as hell don't back away from a fight. If you think a working man knocking the hell out of some pussy in a black mask that's attacking him is bad optics, you're nuts.

Have fun in Roanoke on the 20th, I'll be in Richmond.

You understand how delegates and elected knuckleheads works right? Judge? Mayor? City Councel? I reckon it’s one thing to carry a sign for a day, and another to actually have the conversations.

Everyone bitches about how clueless some of these people are, yet people don’t ever speak to them. Anyway..

Be sure to read what VCDL asked of attendees.

I talk to my delegates both at least once a month. Probably because I do business with them.

So please explain what the mayor of Harrisonburg has to do with the Democrats in the state legislature trying to infringe upon my God given rights? Or our local judges? City council members? We've fought the fight at the local level at our BOS meetings...and won. Now it's time to take it, in solidarity, to the state level in Richmond, where the next fight is.
If you want to stay home out of fear or whatever else your motivation is, then stay the [bleep] home and talk to your mayor and local judges, but don't sit there and try talk everyone else out of going.
I'm glad as hell everyone doesn't have your mindset.

If you think you're gonna effect change sitting in your couch good luck

Save it for Richmond jack.

That is the HUGE QUESTION.

The NRA is having a protest day on the 13th... Not seen it advertised much... I don't expect the turnout to be even 20% of the grassroots VCDL day on the 20th.

What is really shocking to me is how quiet the NRA is... with their Headquarters is IN VIRGINIA... AND

The Dems are directly targeting them with this bill (i.e. they have an indoor shooting range and employ more than 50 people... NO OTHER RANGE IN VIRGINIA DOES... to the best of my knowledge).

https://lis.virginia.gov/cgi-bin/legp604.exe?201+ful+HB567

Dems bitchslapping the NRA SPECIFICALLY... and not a peep out of the NRA that I have seen. Unbelievable.

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The second question... Why is the NRA NOT starting recalls on these Virginia delegates? They have hundreds of lawyers on their payroll... Take out governor Coonman's pawns and the game is over.

Virginia recall laws require only 10% of voters to sign petitions. in many case that is 1,000 to 1,500 signatures to recall a delegate. MANY 2A sanctuary meetings have 2,000 to 4,000 people show up. Easy as pie to pass around recall petitions. Take out 6 delegates and the Dems no longer have control. (...think I am right on 6, but I will double check later).

Also, will there be recall petitions at NRA day on the 13th... or Lobby Day on the 20? Organize by counties and districts... collect signatures. Assuming 50,000 people at Lobby day... and there you go... recalls DONE! Even recall Coonman, his LG and AG...

Freshman delegates have not violated their the Oath to uphold the Constitution YET, but other senior delegates have (2018 and 2019 etc.). Good and sufficient enough reason there.

I would draft recalls myself, but I am not a lawyer and would want the petitions to pass muster when challenged... (Any lawyers want to help? ...drop me a PM).

As for Leroy Bean... pussies will always be around on the internet... but F2F morons like that cower instantly. Zero chance they will ever show-up to a call out... ZERO.

The NRA is making themselves irrelevant. The old model doesn't fit the battles we have to fight now. It's time to become aggressive, belligerent, and loud. Trying to negotiate civilly with these liberal Democrat socialists will not work any longer. They want to push, we better be ready to punch back.

poor blue states

I'm sure there's a "homeless crackheads in Los Anchorage" thread you could troll somewhere... Why you're worrying your pretty little head about us Virginians I'll never know.
I'm assuming you just enjoy being a [bleep] with the anonymity of the internet. You should go to Roanoke on the 20th and protest the city council chambers with 16bore.

Not trolling all; just wondering why folks elect all them nice democrats, and then wish the NRA would fix things fer em

Get a clue. The NRA can't waste their cash on stupidity.

The NRA won't have any to waste much longer. I'm betting insolvency by mid 2021. If they're lucky! (Grin)

Then who will you cry too?

160 million gun owners-4.5 million NRA members


You can cry to me if you want. Maybe theres something I can say to help.

I do need a good laugh...tell me how much you donated to the NRA-ILA this year! Not sure which would be funnier, you giving a lot, or you giving nothing. I'm guessing you gave nothing.

Then your side will hurt when you realize what the dems have in store for you


Blue states...Why the NRA can't have nice things.

Nice things (for Wayne LaPierre). Why the NRA can't afford to defend the 2nd amendment.

Undescended testicles. Why watch4bear acts like a bitch.

You don't see californians whining do you? They either accept their situation or move to texas. With only 4.5 million NRA, and that dwindling, we just can't help those who won't help themselves.

Wish in one hand, and chit in the other.

http://www.occidentaldissent.com/20...years-in-prison-alex-ramos-to-serve-six/

http://www.occidentaldissent.com/2019/07/19/rise-above-members-sentenced-in-charlottesville-case/

That's not a wish you have in your hand, and definitely not [bleep] you have in the other.

Carry your sign, chant something loud enough to make em draw the curtains, and consider it a blue state win. You'll feel better knowing you tried

Give em heck Jack. I's rootin fer ya.


PS. blue states are why the NRA can't have nice things

Run down to the welfare office and pick up that PFD check. When your dependent on .gov for your livelihood you can't afford to upset them, I understand buddy. Wayne spends more on lunch than your entire Alaskan welfare dividend.

PS, Wayne's penchant for nice things is why the NRA can't afford to to defend the 2nd any longer.

Now I'm welfare? Your doing great, keep up the good work Jack


You could give Feinstein a run for her money with her hatred of the NRA.

"Now I'm welfare"? What does that even mean? Take that welfare PFD check and take some basic English classes.

Not of the NRA, the current "leadership" that's usurped it's
Power. Why are you so intimidated by the GOA and VCDL?
If you have any money left over from that PFD check after you buy your meth maybe you could send a little to the groups actually doing what they were formed to do.

Truth is, most Alaskans could probably buy and sell you twice; including myself


Did I ever tell you that we have the best gun laws in the country hands down? Its because we don't have any Get it, huh, get it?

PS, that weren't no invite either.

Shaking my head at all the wasted money. When will they learn?


https://www.thenation.com/article/the-nra-took-a-big-swing-in-virginia-and-missed/

Uh oh....hit a nerve......wittle bear got a thorn in his wittle paw now. You gonna buy and sell me twice? Musta got an extra big welfare check this year!
Only reason for all the "rich" Alaskans is all the lame ass reality shows you retards "star" in to give all of us a good fuggin laugh in the evenings. Watch4bear-last of the Alaskan Bush people living below zero.....

Hardly; but maybe you could try offending someone else for a while. I think you you got all the help your going to get from the NRA and Alaskans

What else ya got for tricks?

Big swing?! 2 million?! Fuggin laffin!! Bloomberg himself dumped 2.5 million into Virginia, along with charlottesville's Michael Bills' 1.8 million and Emily's list's 1.2 million.

NRA couldn't even muster a real effort in their own back yard.....maybe you "rich" Alaskans could donate a little more they could afford to move their headquarters up there. It would be fitting since "reality" up there is anything but.

I hope they realized that Va is a lost cause and close the books on that blue gem.

They'd have better luck finding members in a harlem projects

Your offended now? I'm offended that your state has to pay you to live there....

Maybe they should check the Anchorage homeless camps.
I'm betting Harlem's cleaner.

Laffin!! Is that you in the red hat holding a basket and missing teeth?!

Be sure and throw your sign away after your democrats ignore you at the demonstration. Don't trash like the hippy kids. Even if you hate the NRA, set an example of some kind.

PS, don't talk to any reporters; us gun owners have enough problems jeeeesh.

An Alaskan telling someone not to go on television and make "the rest of us" look bad?! Laffin harder!! Jesus fuggin Christ..... And talk about trashing up the place? Damn....just, damn.... You're state is a conglomeration of junk piles, halfazz built shacks and jacked up schit. You obviously don't have a building code.

Those Alaskan Bush People are so tough they live in Washington.

That is correct. No building codes, no guns laws. We like our freedom Jack

Freedom isn't spelled democrat

Blue states; why the NRA can't have nice things.

No building codes and obviously not a competent carpenter in the state. Or apparently a trash truck.

If you want the freedom to live in plywood shacks with tarp's for roofing and a yard full of broke down antiquated machinery, old plastic barrels and 2 years worth of household garbage, you're winning!! Congratulations!

You seem like a guy that needs to be told how to do things. I think you'll really enjoy these democrats you've elected

Why they have plenty of plans to keep you busy and government motivated. Enjoy it Jack.

You seem like a guy that needs to be told trash belongs in a landfill, not your front yard. And tarps aren't the best choice for roofing.

Top 5 - Best Gun-Friendly States


1. Alaska
2. Idaho
3. Arizona
4. Kansas
5. Oklahoma

Good thing... apparently every woman up there should be carrying one. A rape rate 250% higher than the national average? Assault rate 150% higher than the national average? Guess it's hard to get a woman to willingly have sex with you in a shack with a tarp for a roof?

I Know half of you are illiterate, but damn.... No is a simple word to learn....

You two brought back such great memories of the old days before Fred got dead...😂😎

Nice thing about tarps as a riding material is they are cheap and relatively easy to replace 🙂

This entire thread was started by people interested in thwarting a large turnout, it is calculated disinformation and propaganda meant to stoke fear in the planned attendees and cause them to reconsider attending. Shame on you and a pox on your house. Patriots will go to Richmond, bitches may stay home, in the basement, wringing your clammy girl hands...

No offense intended towards the strong female supporters of Freedom and the Second Amendment!

^^^What OMC said! ^^^

If you are scared to go to a peaceful event with thousands of like minded armed individuals just stay home but don’t try to keep others from going.

Disagree completely. No one is suggesting staying home UNLESS one cannot control themselves during a peaceful protest. What is being suggested more than anything is to be vigilant and use caution if dealing with counter protesters so their actions cannot be used against us. There are a lot of keyboard heros here who have been blowing off about coming to Richmond and kicking some azz. That is NOT gonna help. In fact it will likely do far more harm than good for the overall 2A movement. Not to mention anyone involved right or wrong is probably gonna get to spend a few days in the local jail. Please re-read the following from VCDL:

"VCDL Lobby Day is a peaceful event about gun rights and NOTHING ELSE
We are NOT there to have arguments with the other side. They lobby, we lobby, and never the two shall meet. Just ignore them.
And we are not there to push any other agenda. Our total focus is on protecting our right to keep and bear arms. Period. This is not about flags, statues, history, etc. Just guns.
If you somehow find yourself being harassed by the other side, don't engage them. They could well be baiting you and recording what you do for propaganda purposes. If necessary, go find a police officer and let them take care of the person causing the disturbance. Otherwise, just ignore them and go about your business."

Nobody's blowing off about coming to Richmond to kick ass. There were chicken [bleep] remarks made trying to scare people off because of the possibility of being attacked by antifa punks. I simply said if the antifa pansies think they're gonna club me with a bat or spray me with mace and not catch blowback, they're mistaken. I'm going down looking to peacefully protest just like I peacefully live my life every other day. If some terrorist decides to bring me violence, I will more than gladly return the same violence, possibly disproportionately.

Gov Coonman is looking to legislate the recall % required to oust delegates and himself from 10% to 25% BECAUSE HE KNOWS RECALLS WOULD WORK to dislodge his pawns...

Yet... NOT ONE SINGLE RECALL PETITION is out there... WHERE ARE YOU NRA??????

Simply unbelievable

https://ballotpedia.org/Laws_governing_recall_in_Virginia

Apparently Alaskans prefer wolves in sheeps clothing ala Murkowski

Think some are over stating the idea of Antifa causing trouble there. A vast majority of them are millenial puzzies who get their jollies off putting on a mask and gang beating UNARMED, easy victims. Knowing that most of the Pro 2A attendees will be armed will cause alot of the punks to pass this one up. Also the fact that this event will draw a huge number of 2a supporters and the Antifags will probably be outnumbered will scare many away, as they prefer group attacks on smaller numbers. Not discounting a false flag op, but if we simply do not attend because we are afraid of what the other side may do, WE HAVE ALREADY ALLOWED THEM TO WIN!! That said, I will be be attending. Its past time to put up or shutup.

I think it's much more likely that there will be leftist agitators masquerading as 2nd amendment advocates.

Just like how the leftist agitators showed up at Charlottesville and started unfurling Nazi flags.

That's how the commies operate. They will infiltrate the crowd of peaceful protestors and try to create an incident that damages the entire event.

Of course,...the commie media will be there telling whatever lies they deem necessary.

People are going to have to be aware.

https://freebeacon.com/issues/nra-s...pitol-push-dems-change-gun-control-bills



thousands

It’s a start but still a long road ahead.