I’ll bet this clown has a webpage and vlog dedicated to his crusade. Hopefully NJ news keeps us updated when he finally gets flattened by a delivery truck.
Yup, slow learner and a dumb a$$! I live in NJ and went to school in Jersey City, you take your life in your hands riding a bike there! One thing that pisses me off is bikes don't pay a registration fee like a car.
This is not just one guy...these folks are aggressive. I would guess there is a national bicycle magazine which promotes the attitude they display. I was helping move a rock crushing operation in the mountains of Arizona a few years ago, and the drivers hauling 90,000 pound loads on curvy 2 lane roads were having big problems with these people. We complained to the Az Dept of Public Safety (highway patrol), particularly about the bikers support van which blocked the lane traveling at the speed of the slowest rider, when he easily could have pulled to right, the officer told the crusher boss, "Relax, deal with it, they'll be gone in a couple days". A further complaint was made to DPS office, totaling up license and weight fees of 6 lowbeds paid to Arizona. Reply, "We'll look into it." Nobody was asking to bust the bikers, just wanting an officer to ask them to single file on the right when possible. Sheesh.
The day they report he was found splattered on the street like a dragonfly on a windshield, I’ll laugh my ass off. Typical entitled lib. He knows what’s right and everyone should follow suit...
"Here lies the body of Solomon Gray- - - - - Who died while defending his right of way- - - - He was right, dead right, as he sped along- - - - - But now he's as dead as if he were wrong!
Not surprisingly when I look at that, I look at it as a bicyclist and I look at it as a motorist. As a bicyclist I do NOT like riding on roads like those depicted. I am fortunate. I have a choice. I work in downtown NOLA and I can afford to own a motor vehicle and pay $200/month for parking and $200/month for insurance and $200/month for gas, and $450/month car note.
If you have a job in downtown NOLA, you have a few choices for how you can get to work. Let's take a young person who just graduated college, doesn't want to live in Mom's basement. Being a hard core conservative, this person has too much pride to leech off Mom. They are going to work as an accountant for Shell Oil in the Central Business District. Their salary is $45,000 per year. Of that, after taxes, 401K contributions, health insurance etc they are going to have about $2500/month left over.
Their greatest expense is going to be housing. They will be able to find NOTHING within walking distance in their budget. There are some pretty crappy places to live within bicycle commuting distance. Bust transportation doesn't serve that area well though. The walks to the bus stop are long and go through bad neighborhoods, the pick-up and drop offs are infrequent, and because the employee is the new person, they will be keeping irregular hours. Bus transportation is off the table. Now the two choices are a bicycle or a car.
In this case the person found a dive for 1000 per month. That leaves them with 1500.
Their student loan pay back is 300 per month. 1200 residual.
Our subject is frugal and has the most basic phone plan. They still have to pay an electric bill. Let's low ball those two at 100/month. They now have 1100.
Our subject has to eat. You'd be pretty hard pressed to eat for $10/day. That leaves our subject with $800/month.
Our subject needs incidentals like toiletries, clothing etc. $50 per month. Residual $750.
Our subject isn't going to live in complete austerity. They are going to have some entertainment expenses for dates and such. $50/month Residual $700.
Our subject wants to save some money too. They are going to save $250/month to build up a rainy day fund and to start saving for the future. Residual $450. Well, we already established that the overall cost of owning a car eclipses that, so it's a bicycle for our responsible young person.
That person cannot get to work in NOLA without occasionally ending up on streets like those depicted in the video.
When I encounter bicyclists riding on streets like this, correctly or incorrectly, I operate under the assumption that they aren't too different from the responsible young conservative I used as an example. I treat them respectfully. I treat them like they have a legal right to be there. I treat them like they are my family member that just took a new job at Shell.
Not surprisingly when I look at that, I look at it as a bicyclist and I look at it as a motorist. As a bicyclist I do NOT like riding on roads like those depicted. I am fortunate. I have a choice. I work in downtown NOLA and I can afford to own a motor vehicle and pay $200/month for parking and $200/month for insurance and $200/month for gas, and $450/month car note.
If you have a job in downtown NOLA, you have a few choices for how you can get to work. Let's take a young person who just graduated college, doesn't want to live in Mom's basement. Being a hard core conservative, this person has too much pride to leech off Mom. They are going to work as an accountant for Shell Oil in the Central Business District. Their salary is $45,000 per year. Of that, after taxes, 401K contributions, health insurance etc they are going to have about $2500/month left over.
Their greatest expense is going to be housing. They will be able to find NOTHING within walking distance in their budget. There are some pretty crappy places to live within bicycle commuting distance. Bust transportation doesn't serve that area well though. The walks to the bus stop are long and go through bad neighborhoods, the pick-up and drop offs are infrequent, and because the employee is the new person, they will be keeping irregular hours. Bus transportation is off the table. Now the two choices are a bicycle or a car.
In this case the person found a dive for 1000 per month. That leaves them with 1500.
Their student loan pay back is 300 per month. 1200 residual.
Our subject is frugal and has the most basic phone plan. They still have to pay an electric bill. Let's low ball those two at 100/month. They now have 1100.
Our subject has to eat. You'd be pretty hard pressed to eat for $10/day. That leaves our subject with $800/month.
Our subject needs incidentals like toiletries, clothing etc. $50 per month. Residual $750.
Our subject isn't going to live in complete austerity. They are going to have some entertainment expenses for dates and such. $50/month Residual $700.
Our subject wants to save some money too. They are going to save $250/month to build up a rainy day fund and to start saving for the future. Residual $450. Well, we already established that the overall cost of owning a car eclipses that, so it's a bicycle for our responsible young person.
That person cannot get to work in NOLA without occasionally ending up on streets like those depicted in the video.
When I encounter bicyclists riding on streets like this, correctly or incorrectly, I operate under the assumption that they aren't too different from the responsible young conservative I used as an example. I treat them respectfully. I treat them like they have a legal right to be there. I treat them like they are my family member that just took a new job at Shell.
I have no problem with any of that. The problem I have is with this t w a t riding down the center lane and refusing to move over to let the traffic go by because “he’s entitled to”. . .
Not surprisingly when I look at that, I look at it as a bicyclist and I look at it as a motorist. As a bicyclist I do NOT like riding on roads like those depicted. I am fortunate. I have a choice. I work in downtown NOLA and I can afford to own a motor vehicle and pay $200/month for parking and $200/month for insurance and $200/month for gas, and $450/month car note.
If you have a job in downtown NOLA, you have a few choices for how you can get to work. Let's take a young person who just graduated college, doesn't want to live in Mom's basement. Being a hard core conservative, this person has too much pride to leech off Mom. They are going to work as an accountant for Shell Oil in the Central Business District. Their salary is $45,000 per year. Of that, after taxes, 401K contributions, health insurance etc they are going to have about $2500/month left over.
Their greatest expense is going to be housing. They will be able to find NOTHING within walking distance in their budget. There are some pretty crappy places to live within bicycle commuting distance. Bust transportation doesn't serve that area well though. The walks to the bus stop are long and go through bad neighborhoods, the pick-up and drop offs are infrequent, and because the employee is the new person, they will be keeping irregular hours. Bus transportation is off the table. Now the two choices are a bicycle or a car.
In this case the person found a dive for 1000 per month. That leaves them with 1500.
Their student loan pay back is 300 per month. 1200 residual.
Our subject is frugal and has the most basic phone plan. They still have to pay an electric bill. Let's low ball those two at 100/month. They now have 1100.
Our subject has to eat. You'd be pretty hard pressed to eat for $10/day. That leaves our subject with $800/month.
Our subject needs incidentals like toiletries, clothing etc. $50 per month. Residual $750.
Our subject isn't going to live in complete austerity. They are going to have some entertainment expenses for dates and such. $50/month Residual $700.
Our subject wants to save some money too. They are going to save $250/month to build up a rainy day fund and to start saving for the future. Residual $450. Well, we already established that the overall cost of owning a car eclipses that, so it's a bicycle for our responsible young person.
That person cannot get to work in NOLA without occasionally ending up on streets like those depicted in the video.
When I encounter bicyclists riding on streets like this, correctly or incorrectly, I operate under the assumption that they aren't too different from the responsible young conservative I used as an example. I treat them respectfully. I treat them like they have a legal right to be there. I treat them like they are my family member that just took a new job at Shell.
I have no problem with any of that. The problem I have is with this t w a t riding down the center lane and refusing to move over to let the traffic go by because “he’s entitled to”. . .
On some of those roads there was no place to pull over.
These entitled snowflakes who think they can ignore the traffic flow and do their own thing are the ones who chap my crotch. Lane-splitting, for instance. If I see one soon enough when I'm sitting stopped in traffic, I've been known to open a door to check to see if I've got a low tire. Sometimes they manage to get stopped in time. Jerry
These entitled snowflakes who think they can ignore the traffic flow and do their own thing are the ones who chap my crotch. Lane-splitting, for instance. If I see one soon enough when I'm sitting stopped in traffic, I've been known to open a door to check to see if I've got a low tire. Sometimes they manage to get stopped in time. Jerry
Used to ride a fair bit. Tried to be extra courteous to stupids in cars. Didn't work.
Most don't know the law.
Even when on the right, plenty of room, people swerve and or throw stuff. Had one hanging inches off my tire (when I was doing about 25 mph- mountain bike).
Most of the people raising hell were fat. And at least 50% of them women.
Worst? Mexicans.
Burns my arse seeing idiots zipping down sidewalks on bikes. Its against the law.
Those not cyclists. Those just DUI dipsticks and hippies.
Used to ride a fair bit. Tried to be extra courteous to stupids in cars. Didn't work.
Most don't know the law.
Even when on the right, plenty of room, people swerve and or throw stuff. Had one hanging inches off my tire (when I was doing about 25 mph).
Most of the people raising hell were fat. And at least 50% of them women.
Worst? Mexicans.
Burns my arse seeing idiots zipping down sidewalks on bikes. Its against the law.
Those not cyclists. Those just DUI dipsticks and hippies.
Guy in vid? Moobs says hes a lib.
Most don't know the law, don't ride bicycles, have no experience riding on the road, have never studied bicycle safety, but will happily tell you what you should do.
My experience tells me 90% of the ragers are out of shape, middle aged, white males.
I was shocked at how friggin psycho women were towards bike riders. Expected fat dudes to be the ones. Some were, but it was usually women.
And if a mexican, hell they'd hang halfway out of their vehicle saying they want to kill you.
So bad as to be comical. Passenger or driver.
Eh, I carried a pistol when I rode, for dogs if need be. But also to cap some fugger that had me pinned under a wheel.
Wore clothing to be visible. Rode to be visible. Legal aint good enough. Defensive driving? Exponential when on a bike.
Hell, in my burg people are smashing cars left and right. My guess cell phones and not paying attention. Fender benders for them is dead for a bicyclist.
We have bike lanes, but not all over. Blue hairs in Buicks oblivious to them.
I cycle a fair amount when I have time. Lately that hasn't been much. I keep to the right when possible but there have been days when I ride right down the middle of the lane and I do it on purpose. You know why? A$$holes like you are all displaying in this thread. Cyclists do actually by law have the right to ride down the center of the lane. I try and keep right but if people aren't giving me 3 feet, screw it. I am riding down the middle. My safety is not worth your convenience. Sorry, it just isn't and thats a fact Jack. I will debate anyone on here all day long about it. I have kids, I have a family. If people on that given day or in that given place don't see fit to give me a little space then I will take all the space to which I am legally ENTITLED to. I drive a vehicle 98% of the time. When I see a cyclist I try and give them plenty of room as should you. Generally cyclists don't pull out of their driveway and just start out going down the middle of the lane. Its the result of an escalation of frustration on that given ride more than likely.
People in New Jersey are notoriously bad drivers and pricks on top of that, so I can't say much negative about a cyclist who decides to take a full lane.
Not surprisingly when I look at that, I look at it as a bicyclist and I look at it as a motorist. As a bicyclist I do NOT like riding on roads like those depicted. I am fortunate. I have a choice. I work in downtown NOLA and I can afford to own a motor vehicle and pay $200/month for parking and $200/month for insurance and $200/month for gas, and $450/month car note.
If you have a job in downtown NOLA, you have a few choices for how you can get to work. Let's take a young person who just graduated college, doesn't want to live in Mom's basement. Being a hard core conservative, this person has too much pride to leech off Mom. They are going to work as an accountant for Shell Oil in the Central Business District. Their salary is $45,000 per year. Of that, after taxes, 401K contributions, health insurance etc they are going to have about $2500/month left over.
Their greatest expense is going to be housing. They will be able to find NOTHING within walking distance in their budget. There are some pretty crappy places to live within bicycle commuting distance. Bust transportation doesn't serve that area well though. The walks to the bus stop are long and go through bad neighborhoods, the pick-up and drop offs are infrequent, and because the employee is the new person, they will be keeping irregular hours. Bus transportation is off the table. Now the two choices are a bicycle or a car.
In this case the person found a dive for 1000 per month. That leaves them with 1500.
Their student loan pay back is 300 per month. 1200 residual.
Our subject is frugal and has the most basic phone plan. They still have to pay an electric bill. Let's low ball those two at 100/month. They now have 1100.
Our subject has to eat. You'd be pretty hard pressed to eat for $10/day. That leaves our subject with $800/month.
Our subject needs incidentals like toiletries, clothing etc. $50 per month. Residual $750.
Our subject isn't going to live in complete austerity. They are going to have some entertainment expenses for dates and such. $50/month Residual $700.
Our subject wants to save some money too. They are going to save $250/month to build up a rainy day fund and to start saving for the future. Residual $450. Well, we already established that the overall cost of owning a car eclipses that, so it's a bicycle for our responsible young person.
That person cannot get to work in NOLA without occasionally ending up on streets like those depicted in the video.
When I encounter bicyclists riding on streets like this, correctly or incorrectly, I operate under the assumption that they aren't too different from the responsible young conservative I used as an example. I treat them respectfully. I treat them like they have a legal right to be there. I treat them like they are my family member that just took a new job at Shell.
I have no problem with any of that. The problem I have is with this t w a t riding down the center lane and refusing to move over to let the traffic go by because “he’s entitled to”. . .
On some of those roads there was no place to pull over.
See now there is the problem with you bike guys that don’t even know you have an entitled attitude.
I’m gonna let you in on a little secret. I grew up riding a bike on some of those very streets in that video. Actually some much narrower. I never once - let me say that again for emphasis - NEVER ONCE felt like it was my right to hold up traffic behind me because “there was nowhere to pull over”.
Yes there is. There always is when you ride a bike. You can hug the left or right side of the street or you can just pause and let the traffic go by.
That’s what we did as kids and never had a problem getting where we were going. Nowadays, the biker has to have the exact same “rights” as a motorist even though he is not on a motor vehicle and that is b u l l s h i t. It’s a god damn bicycle! Act like you’re on one and get over it....
Not surprisingly when I look at that, I look at it as a bicyclist and I look at it as a motorist. As a bicyclist I do NOT like riding on roads like those depicted. I am fortunate. I have a choice. I work in downtown NOLA and I can afford to own a motor vehicle and pay $200/month for parking and $200/month for insurance and $200/month for gas, and $450/month car note.
If you have a job in downtown NOLA, you have a few choices for how you can get to work. Let's take a young person who just graduated college, doesn't want to live in Mom's basement. Being a hard core conservative, this person has too much pride to leech off Mom. They are going to work as an accountant for Shell Oil in the Central Business District. Their salary is $45,000 per year. Of that, after taxes, 401K contributions, health insurance etc they are going to have about $2500/month left over.
Their greatest expense is going to be housing. They will be able to find NOTHING within walking distance in their budget. There are some pretty crappy places to live within bicycle commuting distance. Bust transportation doesn't serve that area well though. The walks to the bus stop are long and go through bad neighborhoods, the pick-up and drop offs are infrequent, and because the employee is the new person, they will be keeping irregular hours. Bus transportation is off the table. Now the two choices are a bicycle or a car.
In this case the person found a dive for 1000 per month. That leaves them with 1500.
Their student loan pay back is 300 per month. 1200 residual.
Our subject is frugal and has the most basic phone plan. They still have to pay an electric bill. Let's low ball those two at 100/month. They now have 1100.
Our subject has to eat. You'd be pretty hard pressed to eat for $10/day. That leaves our subject with $800/month.
Our subject needs incidentals like toiletries, clothing etc. $50 per month. Residual $750.
Our subject isn't going to live in complete austerity. They are going to have some entertainment expenses for dates and such. $50/month Residual $700.
Our subject wants to save some money too. They are going to save $250/month to build up a rainy day fund and to start saving for the future. Residual $450. Well, we already established that the overall cost of owning a car eclipses that, so it's a bicycle for our responsible young person.
That person cannot get to work in NOLA without occasionally ending up on streets like those depicted in the video.
When I encounter bicyclists riding on streets like this, correctly or incorrectly, I operate under the assumption that they aren't too different from the responsible young conservative I used as an example. I treat them respectfully. I treat them like they have a legal right to be there. I treat them like they are my family member that just took a new job at Shell.
I have no problem with any of that. The problem I have is with this t w a t riding down the center lane and refusing to move over to let the traffic go by because “he’s entitled to”. . .
On some of those roads there was no place to pull over.
See now there is the problem with you bike guys that don’t even know you have an entitled attitude.
I cycle a fair amount when I have time. Lately that hasn't been much. I keep to the right when possible but there have been days when I ride right down the middle of the lane and I do it on purpose. You know why? A$$holes like you are all displaying in this thread. Cyclists do actually by law have the right to ride down the center of the lane. I try and keep right but if people aren't giving me 3 feet, screw it. I am riding down the middle. My safety is not worth your convenience. Sorry, it just isn't and thats a fact Jack. I will debate anyone on here all day long about it. I have kids, I have a family. If people on that given day or in that given place don't see fit to give me a little space then I will take all the space to which I am legally ENTITLED to. I drive a vehicle 98% of the time. When I see a cyclist I try and give them plenty of room as should you. Generally cyclists don't pull out of their driveway and just start out going down the middle of the lane. Its the result of an escalation of frustration on that given ride more than likely.
People in New Jersey are notoriously bad drivers and pricks on top of that, so I can't say much negative about a cyclist who decides to take a full lane.
Your attitude is why so many bikes argue with autos, and lose.
Ode to an asswhole biker.
I was right and he was wrong, but here I lie in this grave, dead and gone.
Anyhoo, I cannot remember the last time I was yelled or cursed at (‘cept on here, of course) and I ride in the big city all the time. Perhaps I am doing something wrong.
Not surprisingly when I look at that, I look at it as a bicyclist and I look at it as a motorist. As a bicyclist I do NOT like riding on roads like those depicted. I am fortunate. I have a choice. I work in downtown NOLA and I can afford to own a motor vehicle and pay $200/month for parking and $200/month for insurance and $200/month for gas, and $450/month car note.
If you have a job in downtown NOLA, you have a few choices for how you can get to work. Let's take a young person who just graduated college, doesn't want to live in Mom's basement. Being a hard core conservative, this person has too much pride to leech off Mom. They are going to work as an accountant for Shell Oil in the Central Business District. Their salary is $45,000 per year. Of that, after taxes, 401K contributions, health insurance etc they are going to have about $2500/month left over.
Their greatest expense is going to be housing. They will be able to find NOTHING within walking distance in their budget. There are some pretty crappy places to live within bicycle commuting distance. Bust transportation doesn't serve that area well though. The walks to the bus stop are long and go through bad neighborhoods, the pick-up and drop offs are infrequent, and because the employee is the new person, they will be keeping irregular hours. Bus transportation is off the table. Now the two choices are a bicycle or a car.
In this case the person found a dive for 1000 per month. That leaves them with 1500.
Their student loan pay back is 300 per month. 1200 residual.
Our subject is frugal and has the most basic phone plan. They still have to pay an electric bill. Let's low ball those two at 100/month. They now have 1100.
Our subject has to eat. You'd be pretty hard pressed to eat for $10/day. That leaves our subject with $800/month.
Our subject needs incidentals like toiletries, clothing etc. $50 per month. Residual $750.
Our subject isn't going to live in complete austerity. They are going to have some entertainment expenses for dates and such. $50/month Residual $700.
Our subject wants to save some money too. They are going to save $250/month to build up a rainy day fund and to start saving for the future. Residual $450. Well, we already established that the overall cost of owning a car eclipses that, so it's a bicycle for our responsible young person.
That person cannot get to work in NOLA without occasionally ending up on streets like those depicted in the video.
When I encounter bicyclists riding on streets like this, correctly or incorrectly, I operate under the assumption that they aren't too different from the responsible young conservative I used as an example. I treat them respectfully. I treat them like they have a legal right to be there. I treat them like they are my family member that just took a new job at Shell.
I have no problem with any of that. The problem I have is with this t w a t riding down the center lane and refusing to move over to let the traffic go by because “he’s entitled to”. . .
On some of those roads there was no place to pull over.
See now there is the problem with you bike guys that don’t even know you have an entitled attitude.
I’m gonna let you in on a little secret. I grew up riding a bike on some of those very streets in that video. Actually some much narrower. I never once - let me say that again for emphasis - NEVER ONCE felt like it was my right to hold up traffic behind me because “there was nowhere to pull over”.
Yes there is. There always is when you ride a bike. You can hug the left or right side of the street or you can just pause and let the traffic go by.
That’s what we did as kids and never had a problem getting where we were going. Nowadays, the biker has to have the exact same “rights” as a motorist even though he is not on a motor vehicle and that is b u l l s h i t. It’s a god damn bicycle! Act like you’re on one and get over it....
They identified one of the several hazards of hugging the edge in the video. Did you see the dooring incident? When a cyclist is doored, they are most often knock out into the roadway where they are at risk of being run over. Smart cyclists don't ride in the door zone. See what I mean when I say most people who tell cyclists how to ride don't understand the full safety picture?
It's a lot like Democrats trying to talk gun control and talking about how evil semi-automatic revolvers are.
1. Complaining about cyclists in high-density urban areas is as asinine as complaining about the odor of cow manure in rural areas. Both are in their natural element. Get over it or get out.
2. Dude is correct in most states of the union: bicycles are vehicle which have all the privileges and responsibilities of other vehicles on the road on non-restricted roadways.
3. "Taking the lane" is usually the safest way to go when using public streets.
4. Many cyclists and motorcyclists are complete a-holes, even when in the right. And many times they don't think the law applies to them. In the latter case, I like seeing them get their comeuppance in the form of a ticket, just like a car driver.
5. Many of these cyclists are a self-limiting phenomenon: they will eventually get splattered and not too many will ever breed.
6. I have commuted by bike in the past. I used the city streets when practical, as they are the most direct route. Other times, I gave multi-use trails more weight. One intersection was so dangerous in the morning (traffic, glare, etc.) that I reverted to pedestrian mode to get through it. Several cyclists, motorized & otherwise, have been killed there.
7. I think bike lanes are the WRONG IDEA. It wastes that pavement most of the time and causes more congestion than an occasional cyclist taking the lane.
8. Some places are so dangerous to ride, I would not suggest it. Most of those places can be fixed with better road and interchange design.
9. The cyclist in the video needs to make his PITA self more visible. He needs more blinky lights, safety orange and safety green/yellow.
Not surprisingly when I look at that, I look at it as a bicyclist and I look at it as a motorist. As a bicyclist I do NOT like riding on roads like those depicted. I am fortunate. I have a choice. I work in downtown NOLA and I can afford to own a motor vehicle and pay $200/month for parking and $200/month for insurance and $200/month for gas, and $450/month car note.
If you have a job in downtown NOLA, you have a few choices for how you can get to work. Let's take a young person who just graduated college, doesn't want to live in Mom's basement. Being a hard core conservative, this person has too much pride to leech off Mom. They are going to work as an accountant for Shell Oil in the Central Business District. Their salary is $45,000 per year. Of that, after taxes, 401K contributions, health insurance etc they are going to have about $2500/month left over.
Their greatest expense is going to be housing. They will be able to find NOTHING within walking distance in their budget. There are some pretty crappy places to live within bicycle commuting distance. Bust transportation doesn't serve that area well though. The walks to the bus stop are long and go through bad neighborhoods, the pick-up and drop offs are infrequent, and because the employee is the new person, they will be keeping irregular hours. Bus transportation is off the table. Now the two choices are a bicycle or a car.
In this case the person found a dive for 1000 per month. That leaves them with 1500.
Their student loan pay back is 300 per month. 1200 residual.
Our subject is frugal and has the most basic phone plan. They still have to pay an electric bill. Let's low ball those two at 100/month. They now have 1100.
Our subject has to eat. You'd be pretty hard pressed to eat for $10/day. That leaves our subject with $800/month.
Our subject needs incidentals like toiletries, clothing etc. $50 per month. Residual $750.
Our subject isn't going to live in complete austerity. They are going to have some entertainment expenses for dates and such. $50/month Residual $700.
Our subject wants to save some money too. They are going to save $250/month to build up a rainy day fund and to start saving for the future. Residual $450. Well, we already established that the overall cost of owning a car eclipses that, so it's a bicycle for our responsible young person.
That person cannot get to work in NOLA without occasionally ending up on streets like those depicted in the video.
When I encounter bicyclists riding on streets like this, correctly or incorrectly, I operate under the assumption that they aren't too different from the responsible young conservative I used as an example. I treat them respectfully. I treat them like they have a legal right to be there. I treat them like they are my family member that just took a new job at Shell.
I have no problem with any of that. The problem I have is with this t w a t riding down the center lane and refusing to move over to let the traffic go by because “he’s entitled to”. . .
On some of those roads there was no place to pull over.
See now there is the problem with you bike guys that don’t even know you have an entitled attitude.
And why so many die on the roads.
That excuse they always use about there being nowhere to pull over or the dangers of car doors, blah, blah, blah... I somehow managed to survive to adulthood despite the fact that I practically lived on a bike till I got my drivers license the day I turned seventeen. All my friends did the same on some of the most congested traffic in the country.
We didn’t wear brightly colored neon spandex. We didn’t wear Corky the Retard helmets on our heads. We didn’t use hand signals while traveling down the center lane of a busy street either. You know what we did do? We used the common God Damn sense and courtesy that seems to have skipped every generation since the the last of the boomers...
Not surprisingly when I look at that, I look at it as a bicyclist and I look at it as a motorist. As a bicyclist I do NOT like riding on roads like those depicted. I am fortunate. I have a choice. I work in downtown NOLA and I can afford to own a motor vehicle and pay $200/month for parking and $200/month for insurance and $200/month for gas, and $450/month car note.
If you have a job in downtown NOLA, you have a few choices for how you can get to work. Let's take a young person who just graduated college, doesn't want to live in Mom's basement. Being a hard core conservative, this person has too much pride to leech off Mom. They are going to work as an accountant for Shell Oil in the Central Business District. Their salary is $45,000 per year. Of that, after taxes, 401K contributions, health insurance etc they are going to have about $2500/month left over.
Their greatest expense is going to be housing. They will be able to find NOTHING within walking distance in their budget. There are some pretty crappy places to live within bicycle commuting distance. Bust transportation doesn't serve that area well though. The walks to the bus stop are long and go through bad neighborhoods, the pick-up and drop offs are infrequent, and because the employee is the new person, they will be keeping irregular hours. Bus transportation is off the table. Now the two choices are a bicycle or a car.
In this case the person found a dive for 1000 per month. That leaves them with 1500.
Their student loan pay back is 300 per month. 1200 residual.
Our subject is frugal and has the most basic phone plan. They still have to pay an electric bill. Let's low ball those two at 100/month. They now have 1100.
Our subject has to eat. You'd be pretty hard pressed to eat for $10/day. That leaves our subject with $800/month.
Our subject needs incidentals like toiletries, clothing etc. $50 per month. Residual $750.
Our subject isn't going to live in complete austerity. They are going to have some entertainment expenses for dates and such. $50/month Residual $700.
Our subject wants to save some money too. They are going to save $250/month to build up a rainy day fund and to start saving for the future. Residual $450. Well, we already established that the overall cost of owning a car eclipses that, so it's a bicycle for our responsible young person.
That person cannot get to work in NOLA without occasionally ending up on streets like those depicted in the video.
When I encounter bicyclists riding on streets like this, correctly or incorrectly, I operate under the assumption that they aren't too different from the responsible young conservative I used as an example. I treat them respectfully. I treat them like they have a legal right to be there. I treat them like they are my family member that just took a new job at Shell.
I have no problem with any of that. The problem I have is with this t w a t riding down the center lane and refusing to move over to let the traffic go by because “he’s entitled to”. . .
On some of those roads there was no place to pull over.
See now there is the problem with you bike guys that don’t even know you have an entitled attitude.
And why so many die on the roads.
Based on your research, is the motorist or cyclist most often at fault in fatal collisions, and what are some of the more common types of collisions?
Not surprisingly when I look at that, I look at it as a bicyclist and I look at it as a motorist. As a bicyclist I do NOT like riding on roads like those depicted. I am fortunate. I have a choice. I work in downtown NOLA and I can afford to own a motor vehicle and pay $200/month for parking and $200/month for insurance and $200/month for gas, and $450/month car note.
If you have a job in downtown NOLA, you have a few choices for how you can get to work. Let's take a young person who just graduated college, doesn't want to live in Mom's basement. Being a hard core conservative, this person has too much pride to leech off Mom. They are going to work as an accountant for Shell Oil in the Central Business District. Their salary is $45,000 per year. Of that, after taxes, 401K contributions, health insurance etc they are going to have about $2500/month left over.
Their greatest expense is going to be housing. They will be able to find NOTHING within walking distance in their budget. There are some pretty crappy places to live within bicycle commuting distance. Bust transportation doesn't serve that area well though. The walks to the bus stop are long and go through bad neighborhoods, the pick-up and drop offs are infrequent, and because the employee is the new person, they will be keeping irregular hours. Bus transportation is off the table. Now the two choices are a bicycle or a car.
In this case the person found a dive for 1000 per month. That leaves them with 1500.
Their student loan pay back is 300 per month. 1200 residual.
Our subject is frugal and has the most basic phone plan. They still have to pay an electric bill. Let's low ball those two at 100/month. They now have 1100.
Our subject has to eat. You'd be pretty hard pressed to eat for $10/day. That leaves our subject with $800/month.
Our subject needs incidentals like toiletries, clothing etc. $50 per month. Residual $750.
Our subject isn't going to live in complete austerity. They are going to have some entertainment expenses for dates and such. $50/month Residual $700.
Our subject wants to save some money too. They are going to save $250/month to build up a rainy day fund and to start saving for the future. Residual $450. Well, we already established that the overall cost of owning a car eclipses that, so it's a bicycle for our responsible young person.
That person cannot get to work in NOLA without occasionally ending up on streets like those depicted in the video.
When I encounter bicyclists riding on streets like this, correctly or incorrectly, I operate under the assumption that they aren't too different from the responsible young conservative I used as an example. I treat them respectfully. I treat them like they have a legal right to be there. I treat them like they are my family member that just took a new job at Shell.
I have no problem with any of that. The problem I have is with this t w a t riding down the center lane and refusing to move over to let the traffic go by because “he’s entitled to”. . .
On some of those roads there was no place to pull over.
See now there is the problem with you bike guys that don’t even know you have an entitled attitude.
I’m gonna let you in on a little secret. I grew up riding a bike on some of those very streets in that video. Actually some much narrower. I never once - let me say that again for emphasis - NEVER ONCE felt like it was my right to hold up traffic behind me because “there was nowhere to pull over”.
Yes there is. There always is when you ride a bike. You can hug the left or right side of the street or you can just pause and let the traffic go by.
That’s what we did as kids and never had a problem getting where we were going. Nowadays, the biker has to have the exact same “rights” as a motorist even though he is not on a motor vehicle and that is b u l l s h i t. It’s a god damn bicycle! Act like you’re on one and get over it....
They identified one of the several hazards of hugging the edge in the video. Did you see the dooring incident? When a cyclist is doored, they are most often knock out into the roadway where they are at risk of being run over. Smart cyclists don't ride in the door zone. See what I mean when I say most people who tell cyclists how to ride don't understand the full safety picture?
It's a lot like Democrats trying to talk gun control and talking about how evil semi-automatic revolvers are.
See my post above. Did you miss the part where I said I grew up there and rode a bike just about every day of my life to the age of seventeen yet somehow managed to survive?
Oh and so did my friends. They somehow managed to survive the terror of car doors opening also. I guess we were just lucky... 🤔🙄
Not surprisingly when I look at that, I look at it as a bicyclist and I look at it as a motorist. As a bicyclist I do NOT like riding on roads like those depicted. I am fortunate. I have a choice. I work in downtown NOLA and I can afford to own a motor vehicle and pay $200/month for parking and $200/month for insurance and $200/month for gas, and $450/month car note.
If you have a job in downtown NOLA, you have a few choices for how you can get to work. Let's take a young person who just graduated college, doesn't want to live in Mom's basement. Being a hard core conservative, this person has too much pride to leech off Mom. They are going to work as an accountant for Shell Oil in the Central Business District. Their salary is $45,000 per year. Of that, after taxes, 401K contributions, health insurance etc they are going to have about $2500/month left over.
Their greatest expense is going to be housing. They will be able to find NOTHING within walking distance in their budget. There are some pretty crappy places to live within bicycle commuting distance. Bust transportation doesn't serve that area well though. The walks to the bus stop are long and go through bad neighborhoods, the pick-up and drop offs are infrequent, and because the employee is the new person, they will be keeping irregular hours. Bus transportation is off the table. Now the two choices are a bicycle or a car.
In this case the person found a dive for 1000 per month. That leaves them with 1500.
Their student loan pay back is 300 per month. 1200 residual.
Our subject is frugal and has the most basic phone plan. They still have to pay an electric bill. Let's low ball those two at 100/month. They now have 1100.
Our subject has to eat. You'd be pretty hard pressed to eat for $10/day. That leaves our subject with $800/month.
Our subject needs incidentals like toiletries, clothing etc. $50 per month. Residual $750.
Our subject isn't going to live in complete austerity. They are going to have some entertainment expenses for dates and such. $50/month Residual $700.
Our subject wants to save some money too. They are going to save $250/month to build up a rainy day fund and to start saving for the future. Residual $450. Well, we already established that the overall cost of owning a car eclipses that, so it's a bicycle for our responsible young person.
That person cannot get to work in NOLA without occasionally ending up on streets like those depicted in the video.
When I encounter bicyclists riding on streets like this, correctly or incorrectly, I operate under the assumption that they aren't too different from the responsible young conservative I used as an example. I treat them respectfully. I treat them like they have a legal right to be there. I treat them like they are my family member that just took a new job at Shell.
I have no problem with any of that. The problem I have is with this t w a t riding down the center lane and refusing to move over to let the traffic go by because “he’s entitled to”. . .
On some of those roads there was no place to pull over.
See now there is the problem with you bike guys that don’t even know you have an entitled attitude.
I’m gonna let you in on a little secret. I grew up riding a bike on some of those very streets in that video. Actually some much narrower. I never once - let me say that again for emphasis - NEVER ONCE felt like it was my right to hold up traffic behind me because “there was nowhere to pull over”.
Yes there is. There always is when you ride a bike. You can hug the left or right side of the street or you can just pause and let the traffic go by.
That’s what we did as kids and never had a problem getting where we were going. Nowadays, the biker has to have the exact same “rights” as a motorist even though he is not on a motor vehicle and that is b u l l s h i t. It’s a god damn bicycle! Act like you’re on one and get over it....
They identified one of the several hazards of hugging the edge in the video. Did you see the dooring incident? When a cyclist is doored, they are most often knock out into the roadway where they are at risk of being run over. Smart cyclists don't ride in the door zone. See what I mean when I say most people who tell cyclists how to ride don't understand the full safety picture?
It's a lot like Democrats trying to talk gun control and talking about how evil semi-automatic revolvers are.
See my post above. Did you miss the part where I said I grew up there and rode a bike just about every day of my life to the age of seventeen yet somehow managed to survive?
Smart riders do not ride in the door zone. In some of the videos there wasn't a good place to pull over. I am going to make a bold guess on two things here. Traffic density is greater today and motorist are less polite today than they were 4 or 5 decades ago when you were there. I rode in city environments when I was growing up too. It ain't the same.
These entitled snowflakes who think they can ignore the traffic flow and do their own thing are the ones who chap my crotch. Lane-splitting, for instance. If I see one soon enough when I'm sitting stopped in traffic, I've been known to open a door to check to see if I've got a low tire. Sometimes they manage to get stopped in time. Jerry
I hate lane-splitters on bikes and motorcycles.
That said, if you try this again, I hope you get a good beating and then tossed into oncoming traffic for your behavior.
Yup, slow learner and a dumb a$$! I live in NJ and went to school in Jersey City, you take your life in your hands riding a bike there! One thing that pisses me off is bikes don't pay a registration fee like a car.
I love bicycles. In my mis-spent youth, I rode a Peugot 10 speed from Georgia to Steamboat Springs Colorado. I have a real nice Trek mountain bike and haven't ridden in years. I need to get new tires on it again and start riding, for exercise. But, up here in the NC mountains, the locals, aka "hillbillies" think that a grown man has no business riding a bicycle. They won't cross the center line to pass you I tell you it is taking your life in your hands to ride a bike around here.
I don't wear that spandex crap, or a helmet, I wear a white t shirt and a baseball hat and tennis shoes. I do have a rear view mirror that clips to my baseball hat, and when I have a car coming up from behind, I just pull over onto the shoulder and stop and let the car go by.
Like the New Jersey Yankee said in the OP, bicycles are quiet, they don't cause pollution, they get the rider in good shape. We ought to have bicycles all over the place. They just don't mix well with cars. I don't know what the solution is.
I love bicycles. In my mis-spent youth, I rode a Peugot 10 speed from Georgia to Steamboat Springs Colorado. I have a real nice Trek mountain bike and haven't ridden in years. I need to get new tires on it again and start riding, for exercise. But, up here in the NC mountains, the locals, aka "hillbillies" think that a grown man has no business riding a bicycle. They won't cross the center line to pass you I tell you it is taking your life in your hands to ride a bike around here.
I don't wear that spandex crap, or a helmet, I wear a white t shirt and a baseball hat and tennis shoes. I do have a rear view mirror that clips to my baseball hat, and when I have a car coming up from behind, I just pull over onto the shoulder and stop and let the car go by.
Like the New Jersey Yankee said in the OP, bicycles are quiet, they don't cause pollution, they get the rider in good shape. We ought to have bicycles all over the place. They just don't mix well with cars. I don't know what the solution is.
My solution is when I ride a bike on the road, I do so with regard for the motorists. When I drive on the road I do so with regard for the cyclists. When polite attentive motorists meet polite attentive cyclists, they do seem to mix well.
It is done all around the world. Despite the way they act sometimes, drivers in America are not especially retarded so ought tot be able to manage an occasional cyclist who is there by choice or necessity.
It is done all around the world. Despite the way they act sometimes, drivers in America are not especially retarded so ought tot be able to manage an occasional cyclist who is there by choice or necessity.
People will absolutely lose their schidt over having to lift off the gas or ease over to accommodate a cyclist.
My solution is when I ride a bike on the road, I do so with regard for the motorists. When I drive on the road I do so with regard for the cyclists. When polite attentive motorists meet polite attentive cyclists, they do seem to mix well.
That is the way I do it. Part of my "Try not to be an jerk" philosophy in general. It has served me well most of my life.
Not surprisingly when I look at that, I look at it as a bicyclist and I look at it as a motorist. As a bicyclist I do NOT like riding on roads like those depicted. I am fortunate. I have a choice. I work in downtown NOLA and I can afford to own a motor vehicle and pay $200/month for parking and $200/month for insurance and $200/month for gas, and $450/month car note.
If you have a job in downtown NOLA, you have a few choices for how you can get to work. Let's take a young person who just graduated college, doesn't want to live in Mom's basement. Being a hard core conservative, this person has too much pride to leech off Mom. They are going to work as an accountant for Shell Oil in the Central Business District. Their salary is $45,000 per year. Of that, after taxes, 401K contributions, health insurance etc they are going to have about $2500/month left over.
Their greatest expense is going to be housing. They will be able to find NOTHING within walking distance in their budget. There are some pretty crappy places to live within bicycle commuting distance. Bust transportation doesn't serve that area well though. The walks to the bus stop are long and go through bad neighborhoods, the pick-up and drop offs are infrequent, and because the employee is the new person, they will be keeping irregular hours. Bus transportation is off the table. Now the two choices are a bicycle or a car.
In this case the person found a dive for 1000 per month. That leaves them with 1500.
Their student loan pay back is 300 per month. 1200 residual.
Our subject is frugal and has the most basic phone plan. They still have to pay an electric bill. Let's low ball those two at 100/month. They now have 1100.
Our subject has to eat. You'd be pretty hard pressed to eat for $10/day. That leaves our subject with $800/month.
Our subject needs incidentals like toiletries, clothing etc. $50 per month. Residual $750.
Our subject isn't going to live in complete austerity. They are going to have some entertainment expenses for dates and such. $50/month Residual $700.
Our subject wants to save some money too. They are going to save $250/month to build up a rainy day fund and to start saving for the future. Residual $450. Well, we already established that the overall cost of owning a car eclipses that, so it's a bicycle for our responsible young person.
That person cannot get to work in NOLA without occasionally ending up on streets like those depicted in the video.
When I encounter bicyclists riding on streets like this, correctly or incorrectly, I operate under the assumption that they aren't too different from the responsible young conservative I used as an example. I treat them respectfully. I treat them like they have a legal right to be there. I treat them like they are my family member that just took a new job at Shell.
I have no problem with any of that. The problem I have is with this t w a t riding down the center lane and refusing to move over to let the traffic go by because “he’s entitled to”. . .
On some of those roads there was no place to pull over.
See now there is the problem with you bike guys that don’t even know you have an entitled attitude.
I’m gonna let you in on a little secret. I grew up riding a bike on some of those very streets in that video. Actually some much narrower. I never once - let me say that again for emphasis - NEVER ONCE felt like it was my right to hold up traffic behind me because “there was nowhere to pull over”.
Yes there is. There always is when you ride a bike. You can hug the left or right side of the street or you can just pause and let the traffic go by.
That’s what we did as kids and never had a problem getting where we were going. Nowadays, the biker has to have the exact same “rights” as a motorist even though he is not on a motor vehicle and that is b u l l s h i t. It’s a god damn bicycle! Act like you’re on one and get over it....
They identified one of the several hazards of hugging the edge in the video. Did you see the dooring incident? When a cyclist is doored, they are most often knock out into the roadway where they are at risk of being run over. Smart cyclists don't ride in the door zone. See what I mean when I say most people who tell cyclists how to ride don't understand the full safety picture?
It's a lot like Democrats trying to talk gun control and talking about how evil semi-automatic revolvers are.
See my post above. Did you miss the part where I said I grew up there and rode a bike just about every day of my life to the age of seventeen yet somehow managed to survive?
Smart riders do not ride in the door zone. In some of the videos there wasn't a good place to pull over. I am going to make a bold guess on two things here. Traffic density is greater today and motorist are less polite today than they were 4 or 5 decades ago when you were there. I rode in city environments when I was growing up too. It ain't the same.
Paul,
You’d be wrong on those guesses. Yes there are places where traffic density is greater but not on the streets I’m talking about. And no they aren’t less polite.
I’m going to hasten and guess they are more polite today because back then bicyclists weren’t given the status they have today. Hence the common sense necessary to ride those streets. What it comes down to like I said before is common sense and courtesy.
Yes, you would have to be willing to inconvenience yourself by pulling over to the side of the road or between two parked cars to let backed up traffic by every now and then but that’s what it takes to keep the motor traffic flowing.
I understand people aren’t willing to do that when they feel entitled but that’s the way it is. I quickly learned a a NJ kid to watch for car doors opening in congested areas by keeping an eye out for people getting in or out of their cars. Never hit one. I moved over when cars were behind me on congested streets . Never felt entitled to have them crawl along behind me.
Not surprisingly when I look at that, I look at it as a bicyclist and I look at it as a motorist. As a bicyclist I do NOT like riding on roads like those depicted. I am fortunate. I have a choice. I work in downtown NOLA and I can afford to own a motor vehicle and pay $200/month for parking and $200/month for insurance and $200/month for gas, and $450/month car note.
If you have a job in downtown NOLA, you have a few choices for how you can get to work. Let's take a young person who just graduated college, doesn't want to live in Mom's basement. Being a hard core conservative, this person has too much pride to leech off Mom. They are going to work as an accountant for Shell Oil in the Central Business District. Their salary is $45,000 per year. Of that, after taxes, 401K contributions, health insurance etc they are going to have about $2500/month left over.
Their greatest expense is going to be housing. They will be able to find NOTHING within walking distance in their budget. There are some pretty crappy places to live within bicycle commuting distance. Bust transportation doesn't serve that area well though. The walks to the bus stop are long and go through bad neighborhoods, the pick-up and drop offs are infrequent, and because the employee is the new person, they will be keeping irregular hours. Bus transportation is off the table. Now the two choices are a bicycle or a car.
In this case the person found a dive for 1000 per month. That leaves them with 1500.
Their student loan pay back is 300 per month. 1200 residual.
Our subject is frugal and has the most basic phone plan. They still have to pay an electric bill. Let's low ball those two at 100/month. They now have 1100.
Our subject has to eat. You'd be pretty hard pressed to eat for $10/day. That leaves our subject with $800/month.
Our subject needs incidentals like toiletries, clothing etc. $50 per month. Residual $750.
Our subject isn't going to live in complete austerity. They are going to have some entertainment expenses for dates and such. $50/month Residual $700.
Our subject wants to save some money too. They are going to save $250/month to build up a rainy day fund and to start saving for the future. Residual $450. Well, we already established that the overall cost of owning a car eclipses that, so it's a bicycle for our responsible young person.
That person cannot get to work in NOLA without occasionally ending up on streets like those depicted in the video.
When I encounter bicyclists riding on streets like this, correctly or incorrectly, I operate under the assumption that they aren't too different from the responsible young conservative I used as an example. I treat them respectfully. I treat them like they have a legal right to be there. I treat them like they are my family member that just took a new job at Shell.
I have no problem with any of that. The problem I have is with this t w a t riding down the center lane and refusing to move over to let the traffic go by because “he’s entitled to”. . .
On some of those roads there was no place to pull over.
See now there is the problem with you bike guys that don’t even know you have an entitled attitude.
I’m gonna let you in on a little secret. I grew up riding a bike on some of those very streets in that video. Actually some much narrower. I never once - let me say that again for emphasis - NEVER ONCE felt like it was my right to hold up traffic behind me because “there was nowhere to pull over”.
Yes there is. There always is when you ride a bike. You can hug the left or right side of the street or you can just pause and let the traffic go by.
That’s what we did as kids and never had a problem getting where we were going. Nowadays, the biker has to have the exact same “rights” as a motorist even though he is not on a motor vehicle and that is b u l l s h i t. It’s a god damn bicycle! Act like you’re on one and get over it....
These entitled snowflakes who think they can ignore the traffic flow and do their own thing are the ones who chap my crotch. Lane-splitting, for instance. If I see one soon enough when I'm sitting stopped in traffic, I've been known to open a door to check to see if I've got a low tire. Sometimes they manage to get stopped in time. Jerry
I hate lane-splitters on bikes and motorcycles.
That said, if you try this again, I hope you get a good beating and then tossed into oncoming traffic for your behavior.
Hating lane splitters is the same thing as the phugtard in the video feeling entitled to crawl along in the middle of the lane. Lane splitting on motorcycles actually helps traffic flow. Read the studies instead acting on gut reaction they they are somehow taking something away from you.
Anyhoo, I cannot remember the last time I was yelled or cursed at (‘cept on here, of course) and I ride in the big city all the time. Perhaps I am doing something wrong.
Didn’t you post something about looking like a homeless person when you ride? They probably feel sorry for you.
I used to live in Southern Indiana, in the hilly ground next to the Ohio River, and every Sunday morning, a gang of bicyclists would be riding down the narrow country roads around there. The hilly parts slowed them down, which slowed the motorists down, BUT, they did their best to stay out the way and let us pass by without incidents. I thought they all looked silly in Spandex and helmets, but they had enough sense to get out of the way when they got their first opportunity.
It's too bad some of the entitled dipsticks on bicycles don't do that now. My BIL and my nephews are dedicated cyclists now, but they are also conscious of other and stay out of their way, mostly on trails.
Hating lane splitters is the same thing as the phugtard in the video feeling entitled to crawl along in the middle of the lane. Lane splitting on motorcycles actually helps traffic flow. Read the studies instead acting on gut reaction they they are somehow taking something away from you.
Not so much. Re-read the post I was responding to and then re-read my post. I think you have misread and then responded to a misreading.
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1. Looked around and there are no studies worth mentioning on lane splitting safety in the USA. One of the big ones claimed to show increased safety has the author specifically refuting that claim. One in Europe is inconclusive.
2. Most the claimed safety-related benefit seems to come from the delta between MC rear-end collisions in CA (legal) TX (no law for/against) and FL (illegal). The delta is supposed to be in the neighborhood of 30%, depending on the year. Again, no good studies pointing to cause. Riding SEASONS in CA/TX/FL may be similar, but CONDITIONS surely are not. FL has much more rain and many more wet road conditions. Also, FL has a much higher proportion of elderly drivers who really have no business being on the road. I am not anti-elderly driving, but FL's driver license exam back in the day required a fee and a pulse. TX has its own issues vis a vis CA.
3. Lane splitting is explicitly legal in only CA and explicitly illegal in many more states. MC and bicycle riders need to ride IAW the law if they want to be treated like grown-ups worthy of their place on the road operating vehicles.
4. There are not enough bicyclists and MC riders for explicit, legal lane-splitting to impact/improve traffic. Maybe in east asia. But not in the USA and not in Europe, according to the studies over there.
Hating lane splitters is the same thing as the phugtard in the video feeling entitled to crawl along in the middle of the lane. Lane splitting on motorcycles actually helps traffic flow. Read the studies instead acting on gut reaction they they are somehow taking something away from you.
Not so much. Re-read the post I was responding to and then re-read my post. I think you have misread and then responded to a misreading.
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1. Looked around and there are no studies worth mentioning on lane splitting safety in the USA. One of the big ones claimed to show increased safety has the author specifically refuting that claim. One in Europe is inconclusive.
2. Most the claimed safety-related benefit seems to come from the delta between MC rear-end collisions in CA (legal) TX (no law for/against) and FL (illegal). The delta is supposed to be in the neighborhood of 30%, depending on the year. Again, no good studies pointing to cause. Riding SEASONS in CA/TX/FL may be similar, but CONDITIONS surely are not. FL has much more rain and many more wet road conditions. Also, FL has a much higher proportion of elderly drivers who really have no business being on the road. I am not anti-elderly driving, but FL's driver license exam back in the day required a fee and a pulse. TX has its own issues vis a vis CA.
3. Lane splitting is explicitly legal in only CA and explicitly illegal in many more states. MC and bicycle riders need to ride IAW the law if they want to be treated like grown-ups worthy of their place on the road operating vehicles.
4. There are not enough bicyclists and MC riders for explicit, legal lane-splitting to impact/improve traffic. Maybe in east asia. But not in the USA and not in Europe, according to the studies over there.
Not my thread so I don’t want to hijack it but like most things, you can pick and choose whatever study to you want depending on what results you want but here is the one cited by the AMA among others I’ve seen.
I used to live in Southern Indiana, in the hilly ground next to the Ohio River, and every Sunday morning, a gang of bicyclists would be riding down the narrow country roads around there. The hilly parts slowed them down, which slowed the motorists down, BUT, they did their best to stay out the way and let us pass by without incidents. I thought they all looked silly in Spandex and helmets, but they had enough sense to get out of the way when they got their first opportunity.
It's too bad some of the entitled dipsticks on bicycles don't do that now. My BIL and my nephews are dedicated cyclists now, but they are also conscious of other and stay out of their way, mostly on trails.
I no longer live in south MS. When I did I rode with a group that used lightly traveled county back roads. We always worked to get motorists around us as quickly as possible. Our encounters almost always ended with friendly waves being exchanged.
It's interesting to note that drivers were much less likely to try to be badasses when I was part of a group ride. I wonder why?
Hating lane splitters is the same thing as the phugtard in the video feeling entitled to crawl along in the middle of the lane. Lane splitting on motorcycles actually helps traffic flow. Read the studies instead acting on gut reaction they they are somehow taking something away from you.
Not so much. Re-read the post I was responding to and then re-read my post. I think you have misread and then responded to a misreading.
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1. Looked around and there are no studies worth mentioning on lane splitting safety in the USA. One of the big ones claimed to show increased safety has the author specifically refuting that claim. One in Europe is inconclusive.
2. Most the claimed safety-related benefit seems to come from the delta between MC rear-end collisions in CA (legal) TX (no law for/against) and FL (illegal). The delta is supposed to be in the neighborhood of 30%, depending on the year. Again, no good studies pointing to cause. Riding SEASONS in CA/TX/FL may be similar, but CONDITIONS surely are not. FL has much more rain and many more wet road conditions. Also, FL has a much higher proportion of elderly drivers who really have no business being on the road. I am not anti-elderly driving, but FL's driver license exam back in the day required a fee and a pulse. TX has its own issues vis a vis CA.
3. Lane splitting is explicitly legal in only CA and explicitly illegal in many more states. MC and bicycle riders need to ride IAW the law if they want to be treated like grown-ups worthy of their place on the road operating vehicles.
4. There are not enough bicyclists and MC riders for explicit, legal lane-splitting to impact/improve traffic. Maybe in east asia. But not in the USA and not in Europe, according to the studies over there.
Yes, I apologize. I actually meant to respond to the other guy.
" I hope you get a good beating and then tossed into oncoming traffic for your behavior."
"Go ahead- - - - - -make my day!"
Another internet tough guy. I seriously doubt you’ll try it cause you’re just spouting off safely from behind a keyboard, but I sincerely hope you do.
You’re then going to get your ass stomped - either by some grizzled, bearded old Harley dude, or a muscle headed jockey on a rice burner.
Makes no difference which. The results will be equally hilarious. I just hope somebody gets it on video and posts it on YouTube so we can all laugh at your stupid ass...
Hating lane splitters is the same thing as the phugtard in the video feeling entitled to crawl along in the middle of the lane. Lane splitting on motorcycles actually helps traffic flow. Read the studies instead acting on gut reaction they they are somehow taking something away from you.
Not so much. Re-read the post I was responding to and then re-read my post. I think you have misread and then responded to a misreading.
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1. Looked around and there are no studies worth mentioning on lane splitting safety in the USA. One of the big ones claimed to show increased safety has the author specifically refuting that claim. One in Europe is inconclusive.
2. Most the claimed safety-related benefit seems to come from the delta between MC rear-end collisions in CA (legal) TX (no law for/against) and FL (illegal). The delta is supposed to be in the neighborhood of 30%, depending on the year. Again, no good studies pointing to cause. Riding SEASONS in CA/TX/FL may be similar, but CONDITIONS surely are not. FL has much more rain and many more wet road conditions. Also, FL has a much higher proportion of elderly drivers who really have no business being on the road. I am not anti-elderly driving, but FL's driver license exam back in the day required a fee and a pulse. TX has its own issues vis a vis CA.
3. Lane splitting is explicitly legal in only CA and explicitly illegal in many more states. MC and bicycle riders need to ride IAW the law if they want to be treated like grown-ups worthy of their place on the road operating vehicles.
4. There are not enough bicyclists and MC riders for explicit, legal lane-splitting to impact/improve traffic. Maybe in east asia. But not in the USA and not in Europe, according to the studies over there.
Yes, I apologize. I actually meant to respond to the other guy.
I cycle a fair amount when I have time. Lately that hasn't been much. I keep to the right when possible but there have been days when I ride right down the middle of the lane and I do it on purpose. You know why? A$$holes like you are all displaying in this thread. Cyclists do actually by law have the right to ride down the center of the lane. I try and keep right but if people aren't giving me 3 feet, screw it. I am riding down the middle. My safety is not worth your convenience. Sorry, it just isn't and thats a fact Jack. I will debate anyone on here all day long about it. I have kids, I have a family. If people on that given day or in that given place don't see fit to give me a little space then I will take all the space to which I am legally ENTITLED to. I drive a vehicle 98% of the time. When I see a cyclist I try and give them plenty of room as should you. Generally cyclists don't pull out of their driveway and just start out going down the middle of the lane. Its the result of an escalation of frustration on that given ride more than likely.
People in New Jersey are notoriously bad drivers and pricks on top of that, so I can't say much negative about a cyclist who decides to take a full lane.
Do it any other way as a driver in this state, you are getting a ticket for failure to yield. The bike has the ROW.
And it burns my ass to see fuggers on bikes riding on the sidewalk. My wife had one of those idiots come up from behind her and center punch the right passenger door of a 99 Blazer when she made a right to exit the roadway. It was not wifey who got the ticket. That was in Oregon. Jackass on the bicycle got a ride in an ambulance, and our insurance did not pay for that either.
Hating lane splitters is the same thing as the phugtard in the video feeling entitled to crawl along in the middle of the lane. Lane splitting on motorcycles actually helps traffic flow. .
It's also totally stupid - and I'm betting there's a LOT more injuries of bikers who do that stupid-assed thing (don't care if it's legal) in traffic.. But hey - motor on..
Hating lane splitters is the same thing as the phugtard in the video feeling entitled to crawl along in the middle of the lane. Lane splitting on motorcycles actually helps traffic flow. .
It's also totally stupid - and I'm betting there's a LOT more injuries of bikers who do that stupid-assed thing (don't care if it's legal) in traffic.. But hey - motor on..
It’s actually safer than sitting in traffic between cars. But again you have to read the studies to understand because it’s counter intuitive and every one just thinks of it as they’re cutting in line without understanding the reasons why it works.
But that’s up to each individual person to keep himself informed on things depending on their interests. Most people form opinions on certain things based on appearance without ever really looking into the hows or why of things.
Gun control for instance. It’s why so many libtards think “just ban guns and the problem is solved”. There’s more to it. But they have to be motivated to look into it with an open mind to know why...
Not surprisingly when I look at that, I look at it as a bicyclist and I look at it as a motorist. As a bicyclist I do NOT like riding on roads like those depicted. I am fortunate. I have a choice. I work in downtown NOLA and I can afford to own a motor vehicle and pay $200/month for parking and $200/month for insurance and $200/month for gas, and $450/month car note.
If you have a job in downtown NOLA, you have a few choices for how you can get to work. Let's take a young person who just graduated college, doesn't want to live in Mom's basement. Being a hard core conservative, this person has too much pride to leech off Mom. They are going to work as an accountant for Shell Oil in the Central Business District. Their salary is $45,000 per year. Of that, after taxes, 401K contributions, health insurance etc they are going to have about $2500/month left over.
Their greatest expense is going to be housing. They will be able to find NOTHING within walking distance in their budget. There are some pretty crappy places to live within bicycle commuting distance. Bust transportation doesn't serve that area well though. The walks to the bus stop are long and go through bad neighborhoods, the pick-up and drop offs are infrequent, and because the employee is the new person, they will be keeping irregular hours. Bus transportation is off the table. Now the two choices are a bicycle or a car.
In this case the person found a dive for 1000 per month. That leaves them with 1500.
Their student loan pay back is 300 per month. 1200 residual.
Our subject is frugal and has the most basic phone plan. They still have to pay an electric bill. Let's low ball those two at 100/month. They now have 1100.
Our subject has to eat. You'd be pretty hard pressed to eat for $10/day. That leaves our subject with $800/month.
Our subject needs incidentals like toiletries, clothing etc. $50 per month. Residual $750.
Our subject isn't going to live in complete austerity. They are going to have some entertainment expenses for dates and such. $50/month Residual $700.
Our subject wants to save some money too. They are going to save $250/month to build up a rainy day fund and to start saving for the future. Residual $450. Well, we already established that the overall cost of owning a car eclipses that, so it's a bicycle for our responsible young person.
That person cannot get to work in NOLA without occasionally ending up on streets like those depicted in the video.
When I encounter bicyclists riding on streets like this, correctly or incorrectly, I operate under the assumption that they aren't too different from the responsible young conservative I used as an example. I treat them respectfully. I treat them like they have a legal right to be there. I treat them like they are my family member that just took a new job at Shell.
I have no problem with any of that. The problem I have is with this t w a t riding down the center lane and refusing to move over to let the traffic go by because “he’s entitled to”. . .
On some of those roads there was no place to pull over.
See now there is the problem with you bike guys that don’t even know you have an entitled attitude.
I’m gonna let you in on a little secret. I grew up riding a bike on some of those very streets in that video. Actually some much narrower. I never once - let me say that again for emphasis - NEVER ONCE felt like it was my right to hold up traffic behind me because “there was nowhere to pull over”.
Yes there is. There always is when you ride a bike. You can hug the left or right side of the street or you can just pause and let the traffic go by.
That’s what we did as kids and never had a problem getting where we were going. Nowadays, the biker has to have the exact same “rights” as a motorist even though he is not on a motor vehicle and that is b u l l s h i t. It’s a god damn bicycle! Act like you’re on one and get over it....
Paul's statement "I treat them respectfully. I treat them like they have a legal right to be there. I treat them like they are my family member that just took a new job at Shell" is reasonable.
The ASSHAT in the video was not treating motorists respectfully. He could have pretended to have good manners and get over to the right to allow the cars to get past, but NOOOOOOOOO...he has to make a statement. If he does get pancaked by a bread truck, he'll have himself to blame for having defied the odds.
It is done all around the world. Despite the way they act sometimes, drivers in America are not especially retarded so ought tot be able to manage an occasional cyclist who is there by choice or necessity.
We do. Some help us manage it, like I did as a kid, and some dont.
Not surprisingly when I look at that, I look at it as a bicyclist and I look at it as a motorist. As a bicyclist I do NOT like riding on roads like those depicted. I am fortunate. I have a choice. I work in downtown NOLA and I can afford to own a motor vehicle and pay $200/month for parking and $200/month for insurance and $200/month for gas, and $450/month car note.
If you have a job in downtown NOLA, you have a few choices for how you can get to work. Let's take a young person who just graduated college, doesn't want to live in Mom's basement. Being a hard core conservative, this person has too much pride to leech off Mom. They are going to work as an accountant for Shell Oil in the Central Business District. Their salary is $45,000 per year. Of that, after taxes, 401K contributions, health insurance etc they are going to have about $2500/month left over.
Their greatest expense is going to be housing. They will be able to find NOTHING within walking distance in their budget. There are some pretty crappy places to live within bicycle commuting distance. Bust transportation doesn't serve that area well though. The walks to the bus stop are long and go through bad neighborhoods, the pick-up and drop offs are infrequent, and because the employee is the new person, they will be keeping irregular hours. Bus transportation is off the table. Now the two choices are a bicycle or a car.
In this case the person found a dive for 1000 per month. That leaves them with 1500.
Their student loan pay back is 300 per month. 1200 residual.
Our subject is frugal and has the most basic phone plan. They still have to pay an electric bill. Let's low ball those two at 100/month. They now have 1100.
Our subject has to eat. You'd be pretty hard pressed to eat for $10/day. That leaves our subject with $800/month.
Our subject needs incidentals like toiletries, clothing etc. $50 per month. Residual $750.
Our subject isn't going to live in complete austerity. They are going to have some entertainment expenses for dates and such. $50/month Residual $700.
Our subject wants to save some money too. They are going to save $250/month to build up a rainy day fund and to start saving for the future. Residual $450. Well, we already established that the overall cost of owning a car eclipses that, so it's a bicycle for our responsible young person.
That person cannot get to work in NOLA without occasionally ending up on streets like those depicted in the video.
When I encounter bicyclists riding on streets like this, correctly or incorrectly, I operate under the assumption that they aren't too different from the responsible young conservative I used as an example. I treat them respectfully. I treat them like they have a legal right to be there. I treat them like they are my family member that just took a new job at Shell.
I have no problem with any of that. The problem I have is with this t w a t riding down the center lane and refusing to move over to let the traffic go by because “he’s entitled to”. . .
On some of those roads there was no place to pull over.
See now there is the problem with you bike guys that don’t even know you have an entitled attitude.
I’m gonna let you in on a little secret. I grew up riding a bike on some of those very streets in that video. Actually some much narrower. I never once - let me say that again for emphasis - NEVER ONCE felt like it was my right to hold up traffic behind me because “there was nowhere to pull over”.
Yes there is. There always is when you ride a bike. You can hug the left or right side of the street or you can just pause and let the traffic go by.
That’s what we did as kids and never had a problem getting where we were going. Nowadays, the biker has to have the exact same “rights” as a motorist even though he is not on a motor vehicle and that is b u l l s h i t. It’s a god damn bicycle! Act like you’re on one and get over it....
Paul's statement "I treat them respectfully. I treat them like they have a legal right to be there. I treat them like they are my family member that just took a new job at Shell" is reasonable.
The ASSHAT in the video was not treating motorists respectfully. He could have pretended to have good manners and get over to the right to allow the cars to get past, but NOOOOOOOOO...he has to make a statement. If he does get pancaked by a bread truck, he'll have himself to blame for having defied the odds.
Yeah, most of them "raise awareness" types get on my damn nerves.
My solution is when I ride a bike on the road, I do so with regard for the motorists. When I drive on the road I do so with regard for the cyclists. When polite attentive motorists meet polite attentive cyclists, they do seem to mix well. [/quote]
Not surprisingly when I look at that, I look at it as a bicyclist and I look at it as a motorist. As a bicyclist I do NOT like riding on roads like those depicted. I am fortunate. I have a choice. I work in downtown NOLA and I can afford to own a motor vehicle and pay $200/month for parking and $200/month for insurance and $200/month for gas, and $450/month car note.
If you have a job in downtown NOLA, you have a few choices for how you can get to work. Let's take a young person who just graduated college, doesn't want to live in Mom's basement. Being a hard core conservative, this person has too much pride to leech off Mom. They are going to work as an accountant for Shell Oil in the Central Business District. Their salary is $45,000 per year. Of that, after taxes, 401K contributions, health insurance etc they are going to have about $2500/month left over.
Their greatest expense is going to be housing. They will be able to find NOTHING within walking distance in their budget. There are some pretty crappy places to live within bicycle commuting distance. Bust transportation doesn't serve that area well though. The walks to the bus stop are long and go through bad neighborhoods, the pick-up and drop offs are infrequent, and because the employee is the new person, they will be keeping irregular hours. Bus transportation is off the table. Now the two choices are a bicycle or a car.
In this case the person found a dive for 1000 per month. That leaves them with 1500.
Their student loan pay back is 300 per month. 1200 residual.
Our subject is frugal and has the most basic phone plan. They still have to pay an electric bill. Let's low ball those two at 100/month. They now have 1100.
Our subject has to eat. You'd be pretty hard pressed to eat for $10/day. That leaves our subject with $800/month.
Our subject needs incidentals like toiletries, clothing etc. $50 per month. Residual $750.
Our subject isn't going to live in complete austerity. They are going to have some entertainment expenses for dates and such. $50/month Residual $700.
Our subject wants to save some money too. They are going to save $250/month to build up a rainy day fund and to start saving for the future. Residual $450. Well, we already established that the overall cost of owning a car eclipses that, so it's a bicycle for our responsible young person.
That person cannot get to work in NOLA without occasionally ending up on streets like those depicted in the video.
When I encounter bicyclists riding on streets like this, correctly or incorrectly, I operate under the assumption that they aren't too different from the responsible young conservative I used as an example. I treat them respectfully. I treat them like they have a legal right to be there. I treat them like they are my family member that just took a new job at Shell.
I have no problem with any of that. The problem I have is with this t w a t riding down the center lane and refusing to move over to let the traffic go by because “he’s entitled to”. . .
On some of those roads there was no place to pull over.
See now there is the problem with you bike guys that don’t even know you have an entitled attitude.
And why so many die on the roads.
Based on your research, is the motorist or cyclist most often at fault in fatal collisions, and what are some of the more common types of collisions?
Based on your research, is the cyclist or the motorist most likely dead in fatal collisions?
Bartender/storekeeper lady in our little town says a lot of these tour bikers (who never buy anything at the store, but want to use her restrooms) are 'virtue signallers' and truly feel they have a moral superiority over the local riff-raff because they are saving the planet by riding bikes. Sheesh.
So Paul, I want to get a bike this spring. What’s a good brand? Pros and cons....
I honestly don't think brand is important in most cases. At a given price point, most bikes have the same parts hanging on a similar frame made in Taiwan or China. What kind of bike are you looking for?
[ Based on your research, is the cyclist or the motorist most likely dead in fatal collisions?
My research shows me motorists kill motorists much more frequently.
Yet somehow I feel so much more likely to die on a bicycle than I do in my car. In fact, having put in many hours commuting and cross country traveling on both, I believe motorcycles to be considerably safer than bicycles.
I have given up. After 20 years of riding a bike for 12 miles every day on the street, I cannot take the stress of being passed on blind corners. I have turned a lot of gopro footage into the police, but so far, one pizza driver fired... that is all.
I average 18 mph in a 25 mph zone with lots of fiords.
When a car passes me in a blind hairpin turn, and at the apex we meet another car going the other way, passing a bike, both bikes go off road as the cars crowd them out of their lane, in order to avoid a head on with another car.
I am now hiking in the wood for 45 minutes a day.
Where I am bicyclists outnumber cars, but the bikers are young males with high male hormone count. They are risk takers.
I have given up. After 20 years of riding a bike for 12 miles every day on the street, I cannot take the stress of being passed on blind corners. I have turned a lot of gopro footage into the police, but so far, one pizza driver fired... that is all.
I average 18 mph in a 25 mph zone with lots of fiords.
When a car passes me in a blind hairpin turn, and at the apex we meet another car going the other way, passing a bike, both bikes go off road as the cars crowd them out of their lane, in order to avoid a head on with another car.
I am now hiking in the wood for 45 minutes a day.
Where I am bicyclists outnumber cars, but the bikers are young males with high male hormone count. They are risk takers.
Would you say that riding today is more hazardous than it was 20 years ago?
Would you say that riding today is more hazardous than it was 20 years ago?
No. My risk taking male hormone has dropped. I am not going out in big waves in small boats anymore either.
I was just thinking about my risk tolerance earlier today. For bicycling it's variable. For boating, my bad back and joints are more limiting than my risk tolerance.
I have given up. After 20 years of riding a bike for 12 miles every day on the street, I cannot take the stress of being passed on blind corners. I have turned a lot of gopro footage into the police, but so far, one pizza driver fired... that is all.
I average 18 mph in a 25 mph zone with lots of fiords.
When a car passes me in a blind hairpin turn, and at the apex we meet another car going the other way, passing a bike, both bikes go off road as the cars crowd them out of their lane, in order to avoid a head on with another car.
I am now hiking in the wood for 45 minutes a day.
Where I am bicyclists outnumber cars, but the bikers are young males with high male hormone count. They are risk takers.
Down here one of the favorite tricks is cutting over into your lane when traffic ahead slows. Doesn't matter if you're in a bike lane, emergency lane, turn lane. Nada. That next cup of Starbucks or cocktail is more important.
