I picked this up on the radio the other day. It gave me some pause for reflection:
A member of the British royal family was leaving church after services one Sunday. He stopped for a moment to speak to the minister.
He asked, " Reverend, is there a place called Hell?"
The Reverend answers, " Certainly, Jesus speaks strongly on that. It is part of our church doctrine."
The member of the Royal Family then asked, " Then why don't you ever speak of it?"

Think about that. When was the last time you heard a sermon on Hell? Not a small mention, but a sermon. Certainly there is plenty in the Bible a sermon just on Hell could be based.

Think of this, if we say Jesus has defeated the grave: You receive eternal life; you go to heaven, what do you mean. What do you mean by death? Certainly every Christian who has ever walked the earth, or ever will, is going to die. Save a small fraction alive upon Christ's return. Jesus does not prevent that. So what do you mean? What is "Spiritual death"?

So what is this death you are spared from? If you did suffer that death what would it entail? When we do rarely mention God's wrath, what is that? Isn't he a God of love and blessings?

Maybe it's because we don't want to hear it. We wish to put a lid on that box and never speak of it. Maybe we are so focused on Him being a God of love that we forget, or deny, that he is also a God of justice and wrath. And that the justice and wrath are as much a part of him as the love.

Just a few thoughts.

Hell............is flat beer and flat women.

My hell will be cold, and loud.

No womenses.!

Study the words that are translated "hell" in our Bible
then look at the other words they are translated to.

I was taught "The wages of sin is death." Hell only exists for the duration of "The Final Battle". After which all sinners cease to exist, and Heaven reigns on Earth.

Many Christians believe there is no "eternal pit of suffering and pain".

Why should we believe any of it?

There’s going to be a lot of surprised ‘christians’ there............

i think hell would be an eternal democratic debate

As for why do some preachers avoid sermons on Hell?

You get more fly's with honey than vinegar?

Might not be the best subject for maximizing collections?

It's at odds with claims of an "omni-benevolent" God?

Preaching from Revelations can be dangerous?

https://www.foxnews.com/us/lori-val...god-sent-to-prepare-world-for-apocalypse

The Vallows' marriage had been crumbling. Charles had filed for divorce, saying in court documents that he feared she would kill him and that she’d developed strange, doomsday-cult-like beliefs, reportedly calling herself “a god assigned to carry out the work of the 144,000 at Christ’s second coming in July 2020.”

If hell is not being preached about regularly at the church you go to then you’re just lolly-gaggin. Why even go?

Maybe your church needs to hold a revival.

“Lo, there do I see my father.
Lo, there do I see my mother,
and my sisters, and my brothers.
Lo, there do I see the line of my people,
Back to the beginning!

Lo, they do call to me.
They bid me take my place among them,
In the halls of Valhalla!
Where the brave may live forever!“

It could be eternal religious debates on the internet or re-fighting the Civil War.

Ahem....War of Northern Aggression thank you very much.

Matthew 25:46 clearly says the wicked will have everlasting punishment, and the saved will have everlasting/eternal life. That’s pretty clear.

If one believes scripture, it says heaven is eternal, as is hell.

“And there shall be no night there, and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; the Lord God giveth the them light: and they shall reign forever and ever.” Rev 22:5

If believers have eternal life, rejecters of Jesus have eternal death (fire). 2 Thess 1:8-9 and Jude 7 mention eternal destruction.

Rejecting Jesus is a horrible eternal sin that requires eternal punishment.

It is so easy to be saved and avoid eternal hell. Just believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved.
Acts 16:31

Gonna get ugly now.

Good thread idea, and let be know that I, did not start it.

There's going to be a lot of surprised non- Christian there, also.

I’m not so sure.
Those folks all kinda know the chance is there. I’d guess if they ‘come to’ in hell it won’t be much of a shock about location.

This,thanks slumlord

I forget the exact quote , something about a wide smooth path, easy riding, all downhill. A lot of fun until----. I'd much rather go to the other place.

Hell would be the worst inner city ghetto in a lake of lava , and Mexican rap crap reggae rap being played full blast in my burning ears for eternity. Over and over and over and......

hell is an internet forum where everyone thinks they are a biblical scholar and the same dumb fuc ks argue the same stupid shi t over and over without resolve. Week after week.Month after month. Year after year............

I know , Its my fault for clicking.

I've heard more than my share of them.

“Religion has actually convinced people that there's an invisible man living in the sky who watches everything you do, every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a special list of ten things he does not want you to do. And if you do any of these ten things, he has a special place, full of fire and smoke and burning and torture and anguish, where he will send you to live and suffer and burn and choke and scream and cry forever and ever 'til the end of time!

But He loves you.” George Carlin

Not at all the way I understand it Bow.

You left out "best elk cartridge."

As was stated above, there's plenty of example of scripture telling us about it in the Bible. But how it comes about specifically, I, like everybody else have no clue because only one has lived to tell about it and he did in scripture. I have to go by what he said. That may not be real clear to me, but that's where faith comes in. Nothing can force you to believe, you have your choice. Everything boils down to choice, but in this case the wrong choice could be a very bad mistake.

I think people will exist eternally...with or without God. I think we were created to exist forever. We will either exist eternally separated from God by sin...or we will exist eternally with God through forgiveness and salvation. I think to be eternally separated from God is hell....and to be eternally in union with Him is eternal life in Heaven. I do think Heaven and hell are real places of eternal existence.
But, if the only thing keeping a person decent is the expectation of a divine reward...or the avoidance of a divine punishment...those seem to be pretty self-centered motivations.

Hell is about 150 NW of Dutch Harbor in mid January. Not sure where it goes the rest of the year.

Put your finger on a hot stove eye....immediately you know what hell will feel like (according to my Bible it is burning pit, so must be hot) and when you take that last breath and your body functions has stopped...and you do not believe in HIM.....immediately you will fill that hot stove eye, only all over your body.... and forever and forever non stop pain.....that not good.

Stunt-shooting Yankee!

Nice summary.

I think it probably looks a lot like I-75 going through Atlanta at 5:00 PM on a Friday evening.

in India,( population 1.4 billion and counting) people believe in a plethora of gods, some with extra arms , some have elephant heads, some ride tigers...

India's Gods

is that same unending torture going to be applied to people who only ever knew India's gods and didnt know about Christ?

Hell is an internet place where all the self righteous know-it-all's and antagonists go to yell and contradict each other throughout eternity - - - All Aboard!

You've had some good posts lately.

First Thessalonians One teaches both those who don't know God and those who don't obey the Gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ will receive firey retribution.

In regards to people that never had a chance to hear the Word, I think that is covered somewhere.

I wanted to duck my head & look up to see if the sky was coming down around me for even watching that skit from Carlin, but,, he made me think.

[video:yahoo]https://youtu.be/gPOfurmrjxo[/video]

My thoughts? I punched my ticket years ago.

During the time the Savior was in the tomb, He preached his gospel to the spirits of the dead. Hence it is obvious a plan exists for those who do not receive
his message in mortality.
1 Peter 3:18-19
18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the  unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to  death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
19 By which also he went and  preached unto the  spirits in prison;

1 Peter 4:6
6 For for this cause was the  gospel  preached also to them that are dead, that they might be  judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit

Paul taught, that everyone who is born, will be resurrected and receive a body of flesh and bones just like the savior had when He was resurrected Paul wrote the 15th chapter of Corinthians to prove there is resurrection.
1 Cor. 15:21-22
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the  resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in  Adam all  die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

Luke 24:36-40
36 ¶ And as they thus spake, Jesus himself stood in the midst of them, and saith unto them,  Peace be unto you. 37 But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen spirit. 38 And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do  thoughts arise in your hearts? 39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself:  handle me, and see; for a  spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have. 40 And when he had thus spoken, he shewed them his hands and his feet

Here's an interesting, short 3 minutes on the subject from a Biblical Scholar.

Another good video - thanks for posting

the lord sure didn't do much for a friend of mine who got slammed by a train 2 weeks ago and killed.plane crashes killing all but one person and he is 'blessed',yeah right . he's just one lucky MF.

biggest scam in human history.

Hell is like bigfoot in my opinion. If it exists, show us some evidence. At least with bigfoot, there's a guy in a fake monkey suit.

And you made my point. The scripture says "eternal death" and "eternal destruction". It does not say eternal life of torture and torment.

Take a good read of Rev 20. The "second death" is referenced more than once.

Heaven and Hell is a carrot and stick ploy, reward and punishment, believe this or bad things will happen to you.

Keep reading through Rev 21.

“But the fearful, and UNBELIEVING, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.”
Rev 21:8

Because Hell is a fictitious place?

There are no chopper pilots down in hell.

The bible is not very clear on what it teaches. There are verses that support eternal torment and there are verses that support death for the damned. Just as there are verses that support universal salvation and verses that support salvation only for the elect.

Yes,once again "second death".

And if you really read it, the human dead are not in Heaven or Hell at this time. The saved are lying in their grave awaiting the 2'nd coming.

After Satan has been chained for 1000 years after the second coming, then shall occur the third coming and the resurrection of non-rightous human dead and Armageddon as Satan and his minions lay siege to the Holy City of Heaven on Earth.

It is all layed out quite simply in the first few verses of Rev 20.

So Rev 20 states quite clearly that we are at least 1000 years and two "Comings of Christ" away from Armegeddon.

Unless, of course, there is an error or falsehood contained within the writings of the Bible.

The scare tactics of preaching on hell only works on people for a short while. You can't scare people into getting saved. The truly saved are more interested in where they are going instead of where they are not going.

Maybe it’s great looking women and you have a permanent case of e.d.

Even with that interpretation....it could hardly be called just to condemn people to the death penalty for the mere condition of a lack of conviction. Human justice is not that brutal. A God of Love, being omniscient and omnipotent could do no less than apply universal salvation.

''For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation for all people,'' - Titus 2:11

''For to this end we toil and strive, because we have our hope set on the living God, who is the Savior of all people, especially of those who believe.'' -
1 Timothy 4:10

''For God has consigned all to disobedience, that he may have mercy on all.'' - Romans 11:32

''And all flesh shall see the salvation of God.'' - Luke 3:6

Yep. It probly wont be them who gnash their teeth.

Almost as if it had different authors at different times, who were pushing different doctrines for different purposes, How strange!!

They had to add more "stick" approach to gain control. You get sick of carrots over time

Very strange indeed. You'd think that Constantine and all the councils that followed would have done a better job of compilation and editing. Perhaps they thought it wouldn't matter because most people would not read it critically.

Great post. Thanks.

Then he will say to those on his left, “Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. . . . And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”

It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye than with two eyes to be thrown into hell, “where their worm does not die and the fire is not quenched

They will suffer the punishment of eternal destruction, away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of his might, when he comes on that day to be ....


And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever, and they have no rest, day or night, these worshipers of the beast and its image, and whoever receives the mark of its name.


thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur where the beast and the false prophet were, and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever. . . . Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire.

For sure.

I see that as saying, "I told you so." Hebrews says, "It is appointed unto man once to die and then the judgement." No second chance once you die.

Only for the less than serious student. God is quite clear He hates the wicked. He is quite clear He says some people are His enemies.
He also says He wants all to come to repentance. The ball is in the person's court. God waits for our reaction.

God's Word teaches "to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord." There is no waiting in the grave.
Even Jesus couldn't be any clearer when He spoke of the rich man and the poor man in Abraham's bosom. They were aware of their surroundings and not "sleeping".

Again your arrogance is showing. You, a finite man, are judging an Eternal Being as though you are an equal.
You want Titus to stand alone, but God says He wants all to come to repentance.
The verse in Timothy is really easy to understand if you aren't always looking for a reason to condemn God. Did not God save you for years giving you a chance to repent.
Read the rest of Romans. You find God has mercy on some and condemn others.
All will see the salvation of God and every knee will bow and every tongue confess that Jesus is Lord. It will just be too late for most.

You need to read the history of the New Testament. I posted one of our .com friend's post which was very clear on this subject. I'm sure you saw it.

Exactly.
It’ll be all the ‘good christians’: the hypocrites, the arrogant who love to sit in judgment, etc who will be trying to figure out WTF happened.

I’d say they flew up to the Halls to join their Brothers.
Probably didn’t even need the Valkyries’ help.

Those that go. Find a way to get back to us, and let us know how it turned out.

That's not what the Jews believe.

Titus and Timothy.....

The most forged of the forged books attributed to "Paul".

You're moving to MN?

Iirc, Obammy said, "Just believe".

I want no part of the place.

Hell? 🤣🤣🤣

Ever been cussed out for buying the wrong Bible?

Oh the irony.

Almost like, only the priests were even allowed to read it. OH!

Yes because God is love.

Infinite punishment and torture for finite transgressions. Sounds fair to me.

I know one thing, I don't want to go there...

The more serious student? Or someone who reads through the filter of their faith and so not recognising obvious logical contradictions and inconsistencies?

It is clear that it is the latter.

We already have a word for love.....it's love....no good reason to change the label...

Many do read the bible now....yet fail to recognise the contradictions, inconsistencies and moral dilemmas. Quite astonishing really.

Apparently it is an act of love to torture or kill - depending on which verses you read - your wayward children. Eternal torment or the death penalty for mere lack of conviction where conviction is not justified, just on threat....believe this or you'll be killed or tormented forever.

Eternal consequences for a trivial condition either way.

The devil's wife lives across from me.

I shall put it this way, The Lord God Jesus has been very good to me. I'll trust Him to take care of me, and I hope, and pray I never find about Hell.

I wish the same for all you good folks!

The way Canada is going

The way the world is going.....

That is the Bhuddists’ objection to Christian doctrine.

Them Buddhists are gonna be in for a damn rude awakening. 😜

Are they?