I can understand helping business's that had to shut down and employees who are, or might be laid off. But giving retirees money is just nuts. My wife and I are both retired so why is Uncle Sam giving us $1,200 each? We haven't worked in years. They could of cut 100's of billions from the package if they would of eliminated giving money to people who are no longer part of the work force. Or am I missing something?

You still pay taxes, correct?

You could send it to us.

At least you qualify we don't income too high send me yours. We, our generation as a rule pay the most taxes over a lifetime we should get it. What about the welfare crud whom never worked a day in their life? They bitch Trump is not my president but will take the cash.

Yeah.

Only those that are welfare rats and don't pay taxes, or contribute anything to society ought to get a check...

Donate to a church or non-profit of your choice, Local school system, Athletic department,
Support LOCAL economy, oe send it to the IRS for next year's taxes.

Thats a good idea.

Seems like I read people would pay it back in taxes if they didn’t lose income. Hasbeen

We (wife and I) won't get it, neither will my brother, - we make too much.
My oldest brother and sister, Mother will all get it.

Bet Ruger and ‘Man’ will blow theirs on a year’s supply of ding dongs and Mountain Dew.

I'll PM you my address, glad to accept what you don't want. BTW I'm retired seven years, will take whatever the gov't sends me having paid taxes sll the years that I worked.

They vote don't they? And usually republican (socialist). This is all about socialists buying votes, and that's why Trump is so intense about getting it passed so he could sign it. He needs those votes. He can't risk hearing about any wavering loyalties among the troops this summer, lest that gets out of hand and too many stay home in November (if there is even an election in November).

There are a lot more retirees living on SS alone that barely make ends meet. Go to a McDonalds,such and watch all the seniors get cheaper food which is probably the only meal they will have that day. If it bothers you so much,donate the money to a needy charity or some family that needs it

Everyone will get a 1099 (?) or a W-2 for "income" and it will count on next year's (2020) taxes for sure.

I posted this same thing almost word for word on another thread. Someone said they were going to donate it to Trump's campaign. Suggestions for other donations are also logical.

Just when you think you have read the stupidest post ever on the internet... Along comes Dumbass to raise the bar.

This is an economic policy decision that will restart the economy. People are not spending money during this lockdown. Consumer sentiment drives a major element of our economy. Putting some sugar in the gas will stimulate buying and saving (stock market) which will work to jolt back the economy. However, too much sugar with overheat the engine and cause a spike in inflation. That is the concern.

I'm also retired and wondering about this. But I thought I had heard that it was for working folks. Although I could be mistaken and I'm not planning on getting anything. Waiting to see some factual information.

That's right. Without this kind of stimulus, the entire lotto industry could be shut down. Not to mention Colt-45, Swisher Sweets, and quick-picks.

Hey Now I smoke Swishers. Around here it's black and milds, wood tip, roll the tobacco out and insert weed.

If, if that is, we rec’v. a stimulus check it will be donated to the food pantry. Perhaps some to a local shelter for beds, food and whatever can help. Would it be a nice windfall? Yes! But we do not need it.
Actually, my thoughts would be to pole the retirees to ask if they need the stimulus money. If not needed, make sure this money is NOT spent on pork for political leverage.

Yeah, but you won't run out with your check and spend it on the trifecta, I bet.

Yeah, I pay taxes on my Social Security that I already paid taxes on when I earned it years ago. And I pay taxes on investments and locally when I buy things. And I pay property taxes, County assessments........

Seems I hit a nerve with some of you. We paid taxes our entire life as well. But I still don't feel like we should be part of the stimulus package.
Over and out.

I agree! But, if they cut us a check, we’ll likely split it among the kids, they can use it.... multiple kids and lay offs! memtb

Wifey and I make too much, no money for us. I’d buy a nice Tikka 22-250 with an 8 twist barrel if I was.

I don't think there ought to even be a "package" that gives money to people.

You can't gain anything by taking money out of one pocket and putting in the other.


But at least it may be somewhat going to people that keep our country running. Some will, anyway.


Better than throwing it ALL down the black hole of inner cities. (pun intended).. That would have really pissed me off.

Just bought 12sq of high def shingles. Now looking for a millennial to install them.

Nothing is given. I bet we will owe it back come next April!

Or our grandkids will have to pay for it. If China doesn't own us by then.

If you make too much to get the $1200 you already have no problem paying for the Tikka.

If we get one it will go to the Salvation Army.That way it will benefit those who need it and be tax deductable.A win,win.I f you feel you don`t deserve it ,you can send it back as a donation to the IRS,or for Trumps re-election fund.

I’ll second the motion to donate it back to the Trump campaign. That way I won’t have to pay taxes on it later! Happy Trails

Very flawed analogy

Eating out anything if you’re barely scraping by is pure ignorance and most likely the root cause of why someone like that doesn’t have a pot to piss in when they’re old and feeble.


When I began to read your post I thought it might be about hard working older seniors who have returned to work at a McDonald’s, not eating there.

A thrifty person can eat a bowl of oatmeal and fry a egg everyday for a week compared to eating breakfast or lunch just once at Mickey Dees.

Eggs are a buck a dozen, and a small barrel of oatmeal is $3 ($4 all week)

Eating everyday at McDonald’s, even on the cheap value meal ($7) x 7days = $49

It's the nearest thing to a "tax refund" that many of us have seen in years.

We'll get one, I think. Don't really want it, certainly don't need it, but can't refuse it, so...

That’s true, gonna get one soon. A 62 Barnes at 22-250 speeds would cut a pig in half.

Don't you know, all Mickey D employee's eat for free.

Just like Americans, you’uns. Got yer petticoats all a’rustle over the crumbs being shared with your lessers and the old folks. What really ought chap yer asses is the gigantic amount of YOUR money being given to banks, government pet projects, illegal migrants, and God knows what else. The checks to Americans part is the smallest part of the waste. We get the crumbs.

I saw one estimate that puts the real cost of this at $18,000 per American. So really, we get to pay. Nobody out here is getting anything, we just got the costs offset by a pittance, for once. You wanna be pissed about something, dig into this giant steaming pile and find something worthy. Lord knows there is plenty to choose from. And ask yourself, who up there, including Trump, made any effort to cut out any of the theft from this? Find the folks who voted against it and tried to kill it for moral reasons, and there’s your friends. Look hard, because they won’t be easy to find...

I think that's a better option than those who blow it on meth and pot. In the hood it'll be known as stimulus for the drug lords.

Not true

Paying taxes is irrelevant, the purpose is to help people effected by the shutdown of the economy. Retirees as well as those on welfare and not working, their incomes are not effected.

And ain’t a damn one of you gonna “donate” jack squat.

You’ll buy a new shîtter caddy for your $100k RV before giving that money to a humanitarian cause.

Don’t be trying to fake the funk

I wondered about that after looking at their lard assed employees.

I want to argue but you are probably correct.

The government is borrowing money to send these checks. If I want to borrow money, I'll borrow it myself. GD

Using it to pay my taxes.....
On my retirement I earned everyfugging penny of.
LOL!!!

You can send your dilemma money to me in care of:




This street corner gig just aint working for me.....

I'm sure considering upping my political donations in needed races.

GOA may get some too.

I can make it super easy for you. When you get it, let me know, and I'll drive to Monterey and take it off your hands............

Hahahaha.. holy cow this poster is delusional. Republican are socialists?

The idea isn't entirely to give people more money to spend. It's also to keep businesses afloat by being able to sell stuff. That keep people working. The down side is that with so many businesses closed, a very large chunk of the stimulus money will go to Amazon, Ebay, and other online companies.

A good part of my money when it comes will go to some mechanics as I need work done on my pickup and my UTV.

My post was about the “poor little old lady” that VISITS the McDonald’s to spend her lint and nickels.

As for employees, I’ve seen employees go on break and they have to ring up anything they want. When I was 16, it was 50% employee discount for the Wendys I slaved at.

If you donate your money to the committee to reelect Trump, please have the committee send the thank you card and receipt to piglosi. It'll help make her day.

Wife and I won't get anything. The couple we hire to do our yard and clean house will get it, and they need it. As with all government programs, some deserve the check and some don't. I'm glad I don't have to decide who gets what out of 330 million people. Ymmv.

Yes, Mickey D's asked my son not to come back. His lunch was 4 apple pies and a large fry with 40 ketup's

and you’re honest at least, seems like if one ‘was’ going to send it off, to a PAC or a campaign.

Because, let’s face it, no one wants to give Found money to bums and winos.

One thing I notice every single time I go into KFC is old women buying a few pieces of chicken. It's so expensive doing that.

I haven't a clue if I have any coming If I do I'll take it! If I don't, government is gonna come up with some deal to give it to illegals of some country that hate's our gut's. I see America on a long downhill side and we've been on it for years. Know why? To damn many people that haven't voted. Even $1200 won't give me a yearly income where I have to pay tax's. Been retired 14 yrs and get enough to get by but then I'm a cheap bastard! I'm not complaining about my SS, wish it was more but would not surprise me to see politicians cut my SS to give themselves a raise! American government exist's spouting fear to citizens!

This is along the lines of something my wife and I discuss often. This BS SNAP/Food Stamp program should be dumped. Give those in need... powdered eggs, butter, beans, rice, salt pork, ect. If truly in need, they’ll appreciate it and not use the program for booze and dope. Maybe some will even learn to cook. Hell, it might even motivate a few to get off their a$$e$ and get a job! memtb

Yea at the Publix, my daughter wanted a couple chicken legs. They were a 1.79 each. Crazy expensive. My opinion for a few nibbles of meat.

but, I’m a man of resources

We've been shut down for 3 weeks and hear there's no chance of opening before May. I'm against the 2+ trillion dollar relief package, the money will be doled out on who you know after the crooks get their cut. You know and I know it's a ripoff to the working class American past or present. Trump has proven he'll suck a willie for a dollar...or a vote.

Uhhh.....you can trade commodities for beer and hookers and drugs.

They gave Africa 3 billion in the bill so why not give retirees money also.

I agree WTF was there anything in this bill but for the American People. Africa now owned by China will get a bunch of that money. Oh the plan by the democraps.

Fugg....
This thread just tripped a trigger in my noggin.

I send in a check each year for the past 12 yrs for what I owe unca suga.
I aint provided a account or routing # in the paper work other than what is on the bottom of the sent in check.

Gawdddddammit.......
Im gonna have ta call and talk to some groid at the fugging IRS and figure this out.
If they are smart enough to figure out my direct deposit from the check info on their own.( which I severely doubt) or send me a hard copy treasury check.

Death by touch tone menu schit....
And let me connect you PTB schitt.....
Fuggg....
LOL!!!

That's very noble of you.

it's just trickle up, folks. give it to everybody, below $100,000 a year income, why?

because people over that income will probably save it or invest it...no short term boost.

under $100,000 folks , esp far under, will put it right into the economy, keep stores going, restaurants, take out, fast food, car parts, taxis, etc

all poor choices, but........

it moves up the chain immediately.

I filed my taxes last month, included the routing numbers then. This stimulus rebate will come to that same routing and acct number they have.

Works out easier that I already sacrificed a Saturday in January to get our taxes done.

We'll play hell paying it back. Its a piggy free for all. Dig in. Trumps Obama phone plus.

LOL, the same people who crucified Obama for throwing $3 billion into an economic recovery plan (Cash for Clunkers) are now fine with Trump throwing $2 TRILLION into the same program.

This is one time when the Democrats had the better plan. I'll get $2400. I don't need it, and won't spend it. I'll save it. I do have a son and daughter who could at least temporarily lose jobs and they have a house payment and kids to raise. If needed I may have to help them through a tough spot. But not everyone has a safety net like my kids and grandkids.

The Democrats plan was to put the money into unemployment so those who lose their jobs would get more money for longer if needed. This one time payment isn't going to be nearly enough for a lot of folks, and will pad the bank accounts of many like myself who don't need it.

Romney still sucks

Dems wanted it that way.

My income will be in the toilet for months but I won't see a penny of the stimulus payout.

"And usually republican (socialist)"

That's some funny sheit right there. What an idiot.

JFC

Did your Mom have any children who lived?

F'n retard

You are right.


Better money in Merino right now.

We all know your thoughts on seniors as you have posted before about them
You have obviously never had the $1hamburger and you can get a hotdog and drink at Costco for $1.50.Around here eggs are darn site more than a $1 a dozen and the hamburger or hotdogs give them protein.

Even I don' t pay $7at McDonalds .Two $1 hamburgers

So just because you are retired, you do not take part in the American economy? You don't pay any taxes? You don't use any services? I'd say you are missing quite a bit!

Saddlesore pack up them mules and head up into Soap Basin and tie me up a bull for this fall. Hope you're wintering well.

If we actually manage to get the proposed funds (which I'm prone to doubt will happen) the money will go directly to support my daughter's startup restaurant that's on the verge of going belly-up because of lost business due to the "take-out or delivery" rules they have to comply with. I've already got a substantial investment in that business which will simply evaporate if they're forced to close down. Just because we happened to work hard all our lives, pay our bills, and live within our means until retirement doesn't mean we're willing to refuse the opportunity to get back a minuscule fraction of the money our government has squandered over the decades we've been contributing to the greedy monster that's been picking out pockets since the mid-1950's!
Jerry

A lot of seniors who have their retirement funds in the stock market have definitely taken a hit.

Personally, I object to people on welfare etc. who will get this. They are no better or worse off than before the virus. Unless they get sick it will not impact them in the least. So why do they get it?

ahhhhhhhhh didn't read the whole thread...... but I don't think hundreds of billions would be the savings.

even if we had 100 million retired people, at $1200 each, we just be at 120 B.... unless of course, they keep repeating the 1200 thing

I can get a get a pack of cheap hot dogs for a $1 at Aldi. Today and there’s 8 in that pack. Pack of buns $1

Eggs at my Aldi were .60cents a dozen last week.



Costco 1.50$ for one dog, you get em to pour some soda in your palms?

$1 hamburgers.

Is that you’re getting ? No drink? Cmon...you and I know old people are going to get an ice cream cone too.



Bottom line, poor people do not need to be eating out. That’s a luxury.

Of course, you can afford the house and kitchen to cook it in.

I agree 100%. Being a radical, staunch conservative, I normally abhor free hand-outs anyway.

But in a day where it often pays better to be on welfare.....would prefer the bailout money go to those that actually marry, raise a family, and choose to work. Like so many others, in past generations.

If those folks are having a hard time, give mine to them.

Wife and I worked 2 jobs each and created two business we each ran on the side. Paid my home, land, cars off before 30.

It’s doable.

I didn’t pay my home off at age 29 by spending my money eating out at McDonald’s ever phooking day.

Driving back from a week in a condo on the beach now, life is good.

No mighty dog on a cracker for me.

I win

Vienny sausages? Deviled ham, perhaps, with Gray Poupon??

Well, I don't know if I'll get one but if I do, I sure as hell ain't gonna look a gift horse in the mouth. I doubt that $1,200 would raise my total income enough to do me any damage as I've never had enough deductions to go long form anyway. It would be nice if I got a check but if I don't I won't lose any sleep over it. After all, the hood rats need it more that I do.
Paul B.

Good job......I bought an 80 acre farm in 1990. Paid it off by 1992, age 32. Bought another 120 acres in 1996......with my own money.

Frugal living should be rewarded, but government always finds a way to use class envy....successfully.

I like A-1 on the viennas

But ya know... the knockoff brand of Berman’s steak sauce.

Cause I’m cheap

Viennas 63cents a can at dollar general

But in saddlesore’s locale, I bet they’re $4 a can. So fuggit, go to burger king and get all u can $1 burgers or whatnot.

Yes I don't get it. We have been retried for 7 years and have a nice retirement. Don't need the money but seems the demorats insist everyone gets some. $1400 for us.
I do have brothers who can use the money. May donate it to some of them. (6)

https://www.investopedia.com/terms/k/keynesianeconomics.asp

You and the wife didn't pay federal income taxes for 40+ years before retiring? I'm retired and I'll sure take it. I guess I'm not as well off as other retirees like you.

Look at it this way: He Out-Bernied ... Bernie ————> FREE MONEY (not really of course) BUT something that Bernie (and his ilk) can only talk and dream about.

I’m sure there are some votes in the equation.

AGREED X2 all tax payers should get it ,but the best ideal still would be no taxes for 2020 for American residents and any state or federal elected officials no more salary for 2020 the rest of the year.

Without meticulous oversight democrats will skim off big bucks..P.S. leeroy beans
is an IDIOT.

I agree, you shouldn't get it and neither should people on welfare and those who are still working. But it's all about the votes. If they leave some people out the cries will be heard to the moon. Politicians might have to show some responsibility. My Heavens!

Then send your’s back

He's right. We are all socialists now and have been for quite a while......let's say at least since 2009 but the reality is probably earlier than that. The only questions remaining to vote on is the degree of it and how much totalitarianism we are willing to accept.

The smart ones go to the Costco if there's one nearby (and if one can get in nowadays).

Last time I was there, great big slice of combo (vegies, you know) pizza (something like 750 calories) and a small cup for water from the soda machine, cost me a whole $2.14, tax included.

$7 for a Mickey D's bkfst??? Outrageous I say.

Go for the pizza every time.

Geno

This

Corporations get the lions share of this. Hopefully that will provide jobs as soon as this virus blows over.

Actually, the corporations will get our share too, it just passes through our hands first.

People in a tight spot get some help. People doing ok get some gravy. Eventually it all ends up in the hands of big corporations, and taxpayers will get the bill.

Hopefully the economy will rebound and unemployment will rapidly go back down, Trump will get re-elected, and Republicans take back the House.

See how that works?

Take the money, say thanks, and use it while you still can. The way things are going who knows what the situation will be two weeks from now.

Those on SS's their income won't be affected? True enough, but look at how the prices in the grocery stores have skyrocketed. Their outgo is certainly affected. You pay more for everything. If you don't want it, don't take it. I'm betting a lot of those talking about how they don't want or need the money will cash that check when it comes.

$5ish for breakfast
7ish for lunch



But remember we’re talking about granny that has to skip medication and make difficult decisions

But she can go burn gas in her Electra 225 and suck down $2 pizza and $1.50 corn dogs every day.

Makes sense right?

Y so angry? It's a hypothetical granny eating hypothetical breakfast.

No anger hoss

Making a debate

You can’t give me a sad story about old people scraping by and then say it’s ok for them go to McDonald’s every day.


Simple


Everyday. Which means multiplied by 7

I can afford to go to Mickey Ds 10xs a day if I want but still don't eat thar schit

They sprinkle you with 1200; but they make you pay back 8500 plus interest and penalties.

You shouldn't be surprised old people eat at Macdonald's. Look at the crazy things they say on this website. Eating at Macdonald's seems like Solomon-esque comparatively.

+1

Agreed, corporations will get the lion's share with no oversight to speak of. They will launder it slightly and then move it offshore, of course.

Might as well spend it, get a new gun or TP. Trying to save it is a loosing proposition when money is created out of thin air.

Don't know if we will see anything. Probably give some more to church. And maybe to crippled Charlie down the road after he works in the yard some, now there's one that will put it right back in circulation! Lotto tickets and cigarettes.

thinkin a Sandusky Ithaca 28, price is just about right...

There's TrumpOil coming just in time to vaccinate all Righteous Republicans. Get your cure!

better American retirees get some money than billions for illegals and billions more for african development funds........

Just sign it over to Bernie's campaign.
We are accepting socialism by accepting the checks!

A lot will go back into the economy. That will help.

Electra 225! Brings back memories, car we had in Drivers' Training class. Thing had some get up and go. Gas is cheap now, so granny has extra $$$ for burgers and pizza nowadays.

I agree, if the old folks are that poor, they should be eating at home. Even a blony sammich on store brand wonder bread is cheaper than a $1 burger. And community subsidized purified and treated water comes right out the tap. Go to the Grocery Outlet and get a bag of apples or oranges for $5, probably $0.50 each. Decent lunch there for an old fella.

Me, I'm living high on the retirement teat. I can afford to eat real cheese and not some Velveeta knock off. And we get 4-6 eggs a day, so don't even have to pay for them at Aldi's, just have to get them their expensive feed.

Drive home safely, don't get the Corona at a toll booth or such.

Geno

A year's supply? I thought the check was only going to be $1200?

....back on topic. I didn't read all the responses, but I agree with the original poster. My wife and I can still work right now and our income is going to remain the same. My thought is this should only go to folks who can't work because of the situation or to companies to keep them employed. Not to every person out there (understanding the max income limit), etc....

Make no mistake, I'm going to put it to use but it's just digging a deeper hole for us as a country.

Guys with the ban hammers are going to be busy......

Come on slum you know cash for clunkers took the 225 off the roads, be realistic!

Well at the end of all this we will pay for it all.

You obviously had problems with 8th grade math.

I'm not so sure. Wealth isn't created by taking from one, and giving it to another, anymore than it is made by printing up paper and passing it out. No economist; but we will lose something for this.

Not trying to be a smart ass, but you can send your check back, or give the money to a needy person or your church.

Not all retirees are well enough off to not need the money.

What part of giving away free money to individuals and especially corporations?

Lol

Good point....😎

i am blessed and don't need it either. but i will take it and hold onto it until things stabilize and then the wife wants new furniture. so mine won't hit the economy until at least early summer.

Spot on!

I don't think most of the kool kids here understand how Social security works..In short..You get X amount of dollars based on your work history..Then they take out Medicare part A and B leabing you with much less..Then there is the option to "buy" another policy to cover what SS's 80% does not..Those policies are expensive..A plan F which cover deductible runs $150-175 a month..Deduct that from all the other deductions and your check ain't much..

If you can't afford the other policy which a bunch of seniors can't,your stuck with paying the 20% Medicare doesn't..That adds up..Take a heart attack/stroke or whatever and that 20% turns into hundreds and thousands of dollars..

So yes,the seniors do deserve a stimulus check morso than many that are going to get one like the Kennedy center for one..LOL

I'm all for naming Snowwolfe as the next Russian troll bot. Who the hell are you to talk for me. Keep your hands in your own pockets!

I'll keep our $2400 CK.......

Give it back to Trump July 15th......

Kinda..They do not understand because they have never applied or been on SSI...Can you eat cheaper at a fast food then buying hotdogs and eggs on special..Hell yes..There is the dollar menu..The funny part of the McDonalds comments on this thread is...Some seniors can't cook because of condition they may have..Try cooking with the shakes that many diseases hand out..Doesn't work out well..

Is senior bashing the new fad here by the kool kids

Confused in Idaho...

Robin Hood

Retirees spend money too.

And they have 10X the medical expenses..Everyone gets old..Remember that..

Throw 'em under the bus...

We spent $25 on a pizza at the local lodge restaurant last night to help out, when otherwise we would have eaten home cooking. All they can do is take out, so why not get a pizza and leave an extra big tip for those that make a good chunk of their living that way. The guy bringing the pie out to the car seemed very grateful.

If we get any money, $2400 for the two of us would be great, I'll be using it to help pay for the electrician to come put a transfer switch on our well so I can hook up a genset to it in times of outages. It's basically our only drawback. I can get water from the reservoir 2 miles away, and run it through the filter, but why hassle if I can get it from the well.

Any money they "give" to me, will be used locally..............unless gunbroker et al have some goodie I "need"

Geno

Wife and I are also retired. We won't get anything, because we make too much money. We also pay more taxes than most, and that tax money will get used to make the massive payout. I don't need the money, but a lot of retirees do need it, and anything they get will be put back into the economy, just as will money given to the unemployed and employees of small businesses that are hurting.
The folks that I really feel worst for are the small business owners, many of whom will lose their businesses, which will likely never come back. This past week, I had to call the owner of our local pet boarding facility to tell her I needed to cancel the reservation for leaving my dog for a few days, as my trip out of state was cancelled. She told me that my dog would have been the only one in her care, as nobody is boarding dogs anymore. She has already sent her employees home. I told her that no matter what, I would make sure that she didn't go out of business, with whatever financial help I could give her- she provides an essential service to our community, and we really need her. I hope more folks will consider doing the same if they are able, as the government bailout money won't come close to helping everyone through this crisis.

Miracle Whip/Potted meat and Vienna sausages by the case if I get a stimulus check..

Got hunting covered for years..

I can pm you my address ,If you don't want it. It is stimulus money so people spend it to bolster the economy........

New 9mm in my future.

Logcutter, Pig lips , Vienna sausage, tastes pretty good. If we get the $2400 it will be used to supplement our employees pay if necessary. As I understand it the "loan" for small business would be half of your employees pay for a couple months and rent. I couldn't get rent money as my building and property are paid for, but taxes and utilities go forward. I would probably be better off selling out, but I have employees that have been with me 35-40yrs. Actually my Grandson with about 10 years with us is the only employee that I have that has been with me less than 35yrs. They are in the 55-60 age and not ready to retire. I just can't put them on the street.

You gonna eat it?

Thumbs up to you sir..Not enough people like you..

I'll likely stimulate one of the firearm or ammo companies when the check comes.

dukes mayo, no miracle whip.

I want to know how much they gave to themselves for their vote.

Mayo on turkey and cheese sandwiches..Miracle whip on Vienna and Potted..To kill for...

BS they're not. We depend on SS and the small monthly income from some modest investments that has now vanished with the market drop. The payments will buy medicine, food, heat, and gasoline to get into town and back. We worked hard for 57 years and paid all our taxes...never took a dime of welfare or unemployment. To begrudge those of us who will see greater benefit from a small payment in the whole scheme of things is more sour grapes than sense.

Your grocery store shelves on socialism. .

This whole forum is about sour grapes (complaining, whining, pointing fingers, and blaming others) and pretty much NEVER about sense (other than the sense of privilege and superiority), except by accident.

You should know better by now.

A new wellhouse is in my future

Yep. Ridiculous. How hard is it to just send working people, who can't work in this crisis, a check for $1,200? Seems like only about half the money is going for that. The other half is unnecessary crap.

Agreed with TRH and Snowwolfe.

I do hope you are faced with living on $2K/month and are using 1/2 of that for insurance and taxes.

Yep. That’s what they’d look like everyday if Crazy Bernie got elected.

We are still seeing some of that here later in the day at the stores.

What we do find is some $4.99/dozen eggs but not the $1.99/dozen variety, etc. Things are much better than 10 days ago, however. I guess the home freezers and refrigerators are full now.

I thought it was really stupid to pay anyone who didn’t lose income anything.

Unless the intent has more to do with buying votes than relief from the virus but to buy votes? I certainly don’t put that past either side...

Trump is a man for the hour and I’ve voted for him twice and will again but he is NOT a Conservative!

A substantial portion of SS benefit to retirees residing in nursing homes goes to the facility to help pay for their care with a few dollars going into the patient's personal use account. Should be interesting to see how the stimulus money to them is handled.

I already said that. Just so you know, it didn't go over well. But you are right, of course.

Sorry you find yourself in my camp. It may not go well for you.

What do you call losing, bought some hamburger couple of days ago what was 3.09 a pound is now 5.59 a pound. Bread went up a buck a loaf and IRA’s lost money. Why don’t you just go out find some old fugger on a fixed income and shoot the bastid. Might make you feel a lot better about yourself when you turn into a retired fugger. Damn y’all’s a whiny azz bunch, sometimes makes me ashamed to be American the way you all act.

I'm not sure why you would wish that on me. I didn't go on safaris or guided hunts or buy a lot of cars in my younger days. I saved, paid off my house, and lived within my means. And have had a rainy day fund for my entire adult life. I paid for 2 kids to go through college as well. I didn't ask for or want help.

I plan on weathering this thing and moving on. I don't like socialism in good times and I don't like socialism in bad times. As far as those being impacted through no fault of their own, I think that is what unemployment insurance is for. Anyone drawing social security is not being financially burdened other than buying more toilet paper.

I don't wish you ill and I don't wish you poverty living conditions. So have a good day and I guess you can look forward to $1200 from the government.

Exactly. It will go out into our circulation. Makes sense to me .

Nah. He’s gunna shove it in your c.ock holster .😆

Said it for me, except I would not have been quite that polite and nice.

And I endorse this message..

A month ago no one even talked about sending money to everyone. Then the plan was hatched to make up for lost wages and income to help off set an economy going into the toilet.
So many people here are always on their high horse about Uncle Sam giving away way to much. But they quickly turn a blind eye when they get the opportunity to line their pockets.

Remember, this money was supposed to help people who lost their job or income. Not to go into the pockets of people still employed or retired.

We have picked out a couple of single moms who are getting ours. They have a devil of a time getting by in the best of times. I’m sure that the local church could direct you to some needy folks.

There ya go. Good job.

Like the Kennedy center that is in the bill yet the low income seniors that worked there whole life paying taxes aren't supposed to get a measly cut?

Really,your pickin on the elderly that paid the taxes to help get you where you may be today...Don't throw them under the bus..They paid there taxes/they worked hard/they raised the boomers and now they have to pay outrageous medical and pharmaceutical prices to stay alive..

What would your momma say...

Just a theory: Retirees make up the vast majority of the stock and real estate market with their life’s savings. If they start pulling money out, it’ll start chain reaction because they’ll see their nest egg shrinking even more. It’ll result in cataclysmic crash. Gen-X is invested, but nearly as much and millennials don’t invest. The market will implode.

So let me understand something here.

You’re saying that you’re in favor of the govt sending money we don’t have to everyone?

You mention rising prices; do you know that this will be as inflationary as anything Obama did?

You guys wouldn’t have struck me as Bernie supporters, but this is something he’d sure favor.

I opposed Keynesian economics when they were utilized by Obama and I oppose them now. I haven’t lost income yet (my 401(K) is taking a beating but that’s a paper loss) so I don’t want a check. I help my family members on a regular basis who are on a fixed income.

If either of you can make factual arguments for why a principled Conservative should be in favor I’m all ears but Swifty’s name calling was extraordinarily ironic given that he is whining about me saying he isn’t entitled to other people’s money.

That’s par for the course for him but JNYork is one I’d never have expected that from. In all seriousness show me how keynesian economics are now Conservative I’m all ears.

FDR’s legacy...

Not picking on the elderly. I am 67

I am not aware of anything that Obama did that was this inflationary (and where DID that inflation go?).

What Trump has done is not only far worse, he has no room to work with the fed to do a damn thing about it. He ran them out of the economic control market to the extent they ever had any. A colossally stupid move. Again.

Exactly.

Courage of convictions flying out the window for $1200??? Seems like cheap talk to me.

Sounds like Bernie would have had a lot more supporters here than I’d have imagined.

Wife and I are retired, both get pension checks, both get SS checks, and are required to take a % of our investments do to age.
With no payments for house , cars, or other loans, we put a good chunk of this in the bank every month.
I also run a nice business out of my house as an independent contractor, that has seen a slight turn down because of the virus,
so it looks like I could get some help also.
Because of this, it's hard for me to accept this gov. money, and wife and I have decided to give it all to our favorite charities.
Good idea if you don't need it, or give it to people who you know who could use a little extra.
Just cause you get it, doesn't mean you need to keep it.

It is what it is. No plan hatched on the run like this was in these circumstances is perfect. Some who shouldn't benefit will and some who should benefit won't. Its the polution that both sides have built into the system. If you can, everyone needs to help anyone who is in need regardless of age, even if its just in a very small way right now that has nothing to do with money.

The only one positive take away from all of this is the fact that older people tend to die sooner than younger people, and eventually all of the young ones who thump their chests about the weaknesses of the old today will find them selves there too some day. Just like the current older population did 30-40 years ago.

Unless of course, some old guy "offs" a few of the younger critics before then. Never underestimate the hidden ability of old people with more experience......

Seriously man?

Have you never heard of “quantitative easing”?

You’re just as bad as others here. You’re all changing tunes for Trump’s sake; you hate him so you’ll oppose a keynesian move. They support him so they’ll support one after opposing it from others.

Principles matter more than personalities whether that’s Obama or Trump. I’m a Conservative first.

Thank you Donald. You set the Libs hair on fire again! They can't stand that the regular people might benefit a little.

Just show me where the inflation is/was. What are the numbers?

Principles do matter. That's why I dislike Trump He is a massive liar, incompetent politician, and his only principle is "Do unto me, what I want to be done onto me".

Now, how much inflation due to Obama?

.....................Good thing that your ass and azz holes like you will be in the minority come November.

Year Inflation Fed Economic growth
2008 0.1% 0.00% Contraction (-0.1%) Financial crisis
2009 2.7% 0.00% June trough (-2.5%) ARRA
2010 1.5% 0.00% Expansion (2.6%) ACA, Dodd-Frank Act
2011 3.0% 0.00% Expansion (1.6%) Debt ceiling crisis
2012 1.7% 0.00% Expansion (2.2%)
2013 1.5% 0.00% Expansion (1.8%) Government shutdown. Sequestration
2014 0.8% 0.00% Expansion (2.5%) QE ends
2015 0.7% 0.25% Expansion (2.9%) Deflation in oil and gas prices
2016 2.1%

I don't see a lot of inflation in the Obama years.

Yup, I suppose so, otherwise you wouldn't have a chance at another federal handout, Mr. Socialist.

............And you are no economist either IDIOT........Trump's growth #s pound Obummers.

....LOL>>>LOL......Nice try moron.....I will not need a handout cuz I do not qualify for one.......My income is well into 6 figures......GFY

Where is the inflation? Can you answer that question? I think not.

You need a handout, because you are a socialist that loves the welfare state. My income is 6 figures too. So what?

Snowolf: You are making yourself look, well, dumb!
You mentioned the "KEY" in your posts heading - "STIMULUS" - ergo, "I" as a "retiree" and with well over half a century (57+ years!) of paying federal taxes (ongoing!) I am sure "I" can stimulate the economy just as well as ANY working stiff.
Sheesh - what don't YOU understand?
I can't wait to spend (thus stimulating the economy!) my money.
Double sheesh.
Hold into the wind
VarmintGuy

And just think, just try to envision if you will, how much would go local and into circulation if we’d only pay the black folks their Reparations ?

Fugg Boys, we’d all be back on our feet and the economy would absolutely roar !!!

F.uck them

My SIL is a CPA. It's her opinion this is only a loan. In other words. This will come out of our income tax returns until it is paid off. We owe $1800 this year. I really don't want them to send me $1200 and then to have them ask for it and the $1800 back as well.

kwg

Does anyone here remember Nancy Pelosi saying back during the Obama years that welfare was great because it put that money right back into the economy ?

If they’re gonna give out money, then EBT cards might be a better way to consider. A little harder to use those cards for purchasing dope on the street. Issue them with expiration dates so that they’re used for essentials. The system is already in place.

Just a thought that’s probably already been discussed here.

Not a bad idea.

It’s my opinion from what I have read is that this money will simply be added to w2 or 1099 as income.

IOW, not a loan.

Don’t do that to me, Beans. Please .

I’m about to get my nuts stomped now !
Grins

Sorry, but it is a good idea. And besides, these guys are truly ultrafeatherweights. You would never notice. They couldn't stomp a spider.

Will you two butt buddies get a room?

Fûckit

I’ should buy a go cart

There you go yet again. Just when..........

They want your vote in November.

I hope you are right Old Toot. I get a military pension and I don't have federal taxes taken out and my wife is self employed and she does not pay quarterly. We just even up at the end of the year. We are just going to send this bill to our kids and grand kids like we have been doing since LBJ.

kwg

You can't say that here. True though.

I hear what you’re saying.

Easy peazy... we just start printing money - only Bernie has to go to work now, we’ll tax him,

Precisely; whether it benefits me or not, I’d love to stop borrowing against our grand- and great-grand children’s future and that’s whether it’s a policy put forward by a D or someone I’ve voted for.

For fear of loosing your votes....

Whole lot of damn socialists in this site it seems. Though not too surprising given the age demographic.

It wasnt inflation that Obummer caused. It was the draining of dollars for inept medical care! A program that hurt every working person in the country. And only helped, the never employed and illegal immigrants. Who pay no taxes! You can argue all you want, we all watched as medical care went to hell!

After reading a lot more of this thread I agree.

LBJ...there's another sunofabitch who's roasting in hell along with McCain, Kennedy, Cummings and a host of other traitors.

Nothing from the government is ever free. You're going to pay for it one way or another.

How did you get that video of my mother? She enjoyed lighting up that one rear tire with that 455. Thanks for the memory.

The government will get it back, one way or another!

I paid in to social security for 42 years of steady work, and several years part time befor that.

I, for one, feel that I'm way more deserving of a government 'hand out" than ANY of those welfare loafers, or illegals.

Virgil B.

Exactly. The same guys who complain about the national debt are suddenly OK with it getting even larger if some of the money goes into their pockets. The motto here seems to be that free s h i t is bad...…..until they are on the receiving end of getting it.

the real name of this forum is 24hourHypocrisy

Exactly. They don’t produce any money besides from a printer.

Well in construction we are still working, but our hours are dwindling. So they’ll look at our wages from 2019, then tell us we are not effected?
I’m fine, I’m not hurting, but I’m also 60 and my house is paid off. A lot of younger drivers made close to the maximum last year, but also have that 2k to meet at the beginning of the month.
I understand it’s an effort to help, but would rather they just suspend all mortgages for one month. The mortgages renters pay to landlords, and landlords pay to banks. Then let the banks write off the hit.
That ultimately puts the loss on those who can absorb the hit the best.

This clock doesn’t lie:

https://usdebtclock.org/

Obama wasn’t exclusive in adding to it, but he added to it....like his predecessors.....but even more. Well, Congress did during his tenure, anyway. The inflation that occurred under all of their administrations is stored in that top, left number and will be released soon enough. But its not the administrations that did it. 535 morons on both sides of the isle control the purse strings. Not the presidents.

I don’t know if it’s by design, but it sure does seem to Congress’s benefit to have the masses argue about their individual favorite president while they’re spending money on their favorite lobbies.....or something like that.

I'm sorry that's the national debt, not inflation. The two are well known to be quite different.

Trump is going to win the National Debt contribution going away. It won't even be close. Yes, the Congress does bear responsibility as well. About equally with the POTUS.

Again, show me the numbers.

Without a doubt many of our fellow citizens are hurting right now and will be for a while, including retirees.

It’s impossible for the government to sort out the truly needy from the notsomuchers. Ergo, paint with the wide brush and let the chips fall where they may.

The average US citizen could honestly give a phart about the national debt and that includes citizens of other nations.

What sucks is only giving money to lower income folks. If you make >$175 (or so) you get squat even though you're the one paying all the taxes. Maddening the way we continue to screw people who work hard and long. I do a 50-hour week and I'll get zip. A baby belching migrant or basement dwelling millienial that never worked at all gets paid.

Flat tax. Equal payments. Cut out the socialst crap.

I committed to paying my lender a certain monthly payment for a certain length of time. Ill live up to my obligations.
Please tell us about this "writing off the hit". Sounds like a wonderful little imaginary world you live in.

I quit complaining about the debt some years ago. It’s just too big. It isn’t going to get paid. Not saying that is good, just that’s the way it is.

So, having said that, I don’t care if retirees get money while they can. I’ll never retire and am probably nearly two decades from getting SS, but it doesn’t bother me for you to get it while you can.

You’re an honorable Man, JM but that ain’t no imaginary world he speaks of. Far from it.

From this event many write offs will happen, even more than we can begin to imagine at this point in time. You can book that.

You may have missed (or chose to ignore) the part where I wrote that debt will be released soon enough. Inflation has been hidden because its put into that debt number, allowing the commoners to believe a dollar is still worth a dollar....and that’s true as long as we’re buying the lender’s low cost goods.

Its harder to hide inflation in labor costs, though. And no, I’m not going to do your homework. If you don’t want to do your own analysis and admit American labor has been consistently increasing in cost, well.....your motive is pretty clear.

But I digress. We are entering a deflationary period and soon, that national debt.....the cumulation of borrowing and printing.....will soon be unleashed as hyperinflation.

Wifey and I paid in 56,000 in taxes last year. We won’t get cshit. I’m for a flat tax too

You're not altogether wrong, but you are way off base about those collecting social security and the fact I squandered my money on safaris. After my first one, which I saved for for ten years, I came back and found a way to go on a couple more. I started booking safaris to get free ones. It wasn't easy or just picking up the phone. I did all kinds of outdoor shows and squeezed far too many palms. I've never paid for guided hunts, save that first safari.

I have been self-employed most of my life, making a very modest income, but I didn't have to rely solely on an employer or corporation for my livelihood, AND, I employed 2-4 people along the way, often having to go without to make sure they got paid. I created a few jobs. I went seven years without a vacation. Any insurance I PAID out of my pocket, no employer insurance welfare...

All my vehicles have been purchased used, real used, as with my boats, and in most cases they were bought well below market and sold a few years later for what I had paid or near that. As to my boats...well...they sure aren't great investments, granted, but I can still get more than I paid for one of them, and one I recently bought and didn't like made enough money that it paid for 1/2 of the big boat. I'm now placing two on the market and will keep the one that didn't sell first.

My guns support my next gun purchases.

I paid my house off and paid cash for an addition that made it worth much more with a net gain, but increased property taxes eat that up over time. I worked like a dog to buy and develop water rights for my small farm, a tough and expensive undertaking here in the dry country. A 500' deep, 12 " diameter irrigation well didn't drill itself.

We invested our money in a small conservative portfolio, but it still crashed for now, as did the small income from it we need to stay even.

I didn't welcome a bout with cancer and a fall off a roof, while working a wind-damage claim, both of which cost me a big chunk of my rainy-day fund. I am NOT whining here. These things happen, and we find work-arounds.

Right now, during all this and given a big percentage of a small income loss, a few extra dollars is a fortune to us. It'll be the first and only money I've ever taken back from government. We gave the 2008 payments to our local senior center.

As I said, I'm not sniveling or whining, and we can survive a few steps backward. The stimulus money won't get squandered on toys.

You are missing something.

It’s would have/could have.

May be that people who are no longer part of the labor pool could actually use a little bonus.

Find someone in the service industry after this is over. Someone who earns most pay on tips. They are getting creamed here. Give them a few nice big tips over a mlutiweek period.

I agree with your sentiment, but you can do some good spreading it around ot those who a) wont claim the income and b) will REALLY appreciate the financial support.

This is a great idea, IMO. These people are usually real hard workers, and the tips are crucial.

I tipped the nice young man at the Little Caesar drive through a couple of bucks last night. He about dropped the pie into my car and looked at me like I was his long lost rich uncle. Little does he know...

If everyone would tip these guys a dollar or so it would make a meager survival job into an easier survival one.

I've a couple family members that I will help out. I'm scheduled to get a 2% COLA on 4-1.

Leroy Bean s looks like he is on the verge of channeling his inner Elkslayer.................

I have been tipping 20% for take out at a couple of my favorite local establishments; they really need it and appreciate it.

Everyone is a hardcore conservative until the federal benefit checks start getting cut.

I just noticed I got a $2200 deposit into my checking on 4/15. Is that the stimulus money? It just says IRS Treas.

What I don't understand is people who haven't lost their income getting the checks ... like cops for example. Cops are not being asked to stay home during the outbreak (quite the contrary), but are receiving these checks. How does that make sense? What am I not getting?

When to look a horse in the mouth.

Read 2 pages, got too pissed to continue.

There are many here just like a few at work. I'm still working.

They complain about welfare recipients, even food stamps for
the many low wage workers here.

But give them a chance to get "Free Money" from "The Government",
And they jump in line with the Welfare Rats. And will try to game the
system. It's disgraceful.

The same with the $600 UC. I have little trouble with helping those
who lose income. But to give a low wage employee more benefit than
their working wage? I have been laid off when the fund was low on money.
They just flat took around $70/week off my check. And i understood that.
But now, they are dumping cash like pouring piss out of a boot.

Yep, pretty disgusting^^^^^^^