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Posted By: drover Corona Virus Panic - 04/01/20
I find it odd that we have shut down the country and disrupted the economy over the CV-19 pandemic.

While any number of deaths is sad I wonder what is different that we have chosen to ruin the economy and put many workers into a situation that they will never financially recover from. Is there a logic that I am missing? It seems heartless to say it but perhaps the country would have been better off if the CV would have been allowed to run its course without all of the drastic measures being taken.

1957-1958 Pandemic (H2N2 virus) - The estimated number of deaths was 1.1 million worldwide and 116,000 in the United States.

1968 Pandemic (H3N2 virus) - The estimated number of deaths was 1 million worldwide and about 100,000 in the United States.

CV-19 - (the most recent count) - number of deaths world wide - 45,497 and 4,476 in the United States

drover
Posted By: alwaysoutdoors Re: Corona Virus Panic - 04/01/20
It’s official. We are a bunch of pansies as a whole country.

“Hey, you’re probably gonna get sick and a very, very small percent will die”

Us: run the [bleep] home and shut down restaurants , schools, and wait for the TV to tell us what to do.
Posted By: tpcollins Re: Corona Virus Panic - 04/01/20
I posted this on another forum:

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Not to downplay or minimize anything, but I was listening to Rush today while my wife and I were walking the dog. So I looked up worldwide death causes when I got home - comparing current corvid19 deaths versus others for the entire year in 2019.


Corvid19 - 46,062 in 1st 3 months

Suicides - 800,000 / 4 = 200,000 per 3 months
Car accidents - 1,300,000 / 4 = 325,000 per 3 months
HIV/Aids - 1,700,000 / 4 = 425,000 per 3 months
Smoking - 5,000,000 / 4 = 1,250,000 per 3 months
Cancer - 8,200,000 / 4 = 2,050,000 per 3 months
Abortion - 42,300,00 / 4 = 10,575,000 per 3 months

That’s 13,775,000 deaths per 3 months and regular influenza wasn’t even mentioned.


https://decisionmagazine.com/abortion-leading-cause-death-worldwide-2019/
Posted By: Old_Toot Re: Corona Virus Panic - 04/01/20
Originally Posted by drover
I find it odd that we have shut down the country and disrupted the economy over the CV-19 pandemic.

While any number of deaths is sad I wonder what is different that we have chosen to ruin the economy and put many workers into a situation that they will never financially recover from. Is there a logic that I am missing? It seems heartless to say it but perhaps the country would have been better off if the CV would have been allowed to run its course without all of the drastic measures being taken.

1957-1958 Pandemic (H2N2 virus) - The estimated number of deaths was 1.1 million worldwide and 116,000 in the United States.

1968 Pandemic (H3N2 virus) - The estimated number of deaths was 1 million worldwide and about 100,000 in the United States.

CV-19 - (the most recent count) - number of deaths world wide - 45,497 and 4,476 in the United States

drover


Yeah, that’ll work.
Posted By: RAS Re: Corona Virus Panic - 04/01/20
In Japan, they are all wearing masks and other PPE.

But they are going to work.

We can’t sustain this. People in public need to wear PPE, use common sense, and go back to work.

Otherwise, get ready to see your children and grandchildren in bread lines.
Posted By: Old_Toot Re: Corona Virus Panic - 04/01/20
Originally Posted by tpcollins
I posted this on another forum:

****************************************************

Not to downplay or minimize anything, but I was listening to Rush today while my wife and I were walking the dog. So I looked up worldwide death causes when I got home - comparing current corvid19 deaths versus others for the entire year in 2019.


Corvid19 - 46,062 in 1st 3 months

Suicides - 800,000 / 4 = 200,000 per 3 months
Car accidents - 1,300,000 / 4 = 325,000 per 3 months
HIV/Aids - 1,700,000 / 4 = 425,000 per 3 months
Smoking - 5,000,000 / 4 = 1,250,000 per 3 months
Cancer - 8,200,000 / 4 = 2,050,000 per 3 months
Abortion - 42,300,00 / 4 = 10,575,000 per 3 months

That’s 13,775,000 deaths per 3 months and regular influenza wasn’t even mentioned.


https://decisionmagazine.com/abortion-leading-cause-death-worldwide-2019/


The only thing seen in your data that’s contagious appears to be HIV.

Correlation ?
Posted By: Kyhilljack Re: Corona Virus Panic - 04/01/20
I'm with ya. Let it wash over and see who's left standing.
Uh oh, mailman at the door with a package, gotta get my gloves, mask and lysol out. !
While I'm at it think I'll put a lil kerosene on my socks to keep the ants off my candy ass. wink
Posted By: Old_Toot Re: Corona Virus Panic - 04/01/20
Originally Posted by RAS
In Japan, they are all wearing masks and other PPE.

But they are going to work.

We can’t sustain this. People in public need to wear PPE, use common sense, and go back to work.

Otherwise, get ready to see your children and grandchildren in bread lines.


You nailed it. The bulk of our problem appears to be lack of common sense.

Can’t mandate or force that on any sumbitch. Ain’t no laws against it either.
Posted By: Kyhilljack Re: Corona Virus Panic - 04/01/20
Originally Posted by Old_Toot
Originally Posted by tpcollins
I posted this on another forum:

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Not to downplay or minimize anything, but I was listening to Rush today while my wife and I were walking the dog. So I looked up worldwide death causes when I got home - comparing current corvid19 deaths versus others for the entire year in 2019.


Corvid19 - 46,062 in 1st 3 months

Suicides - 800,000 / 4 = 200,000 per 3 months
Car accidents - 1,300,000 / 4 = 325,000 per 3 months
HIV/Aids - 1,700,000 / 4 = 425,000 per 3 months
Smoking - 5,000,000 / 4 = 1,250,000 per 3 months
Cancer - 8,200,000 / 4 = 2,050,000 per 3 months
Abortion - 42,300,00 / 4 = 10,575,000 per 3 months

That’s 13,775,000 deaths per 3 months and regular influenza wasn’t even mentioned.


https://decisionmagazine.com/abortion-leading-cause-death-worldwide-2019/


The only thing seen in your data that’s contagious appears to be HIV.

Correlation ?

No, Africa.
Posted By: alwaysoutdoors Re: Corona Virus Panic - 04/01/20
Lol!!
Posted By: Old_Toot Re: Corona Virus Panic - 04/01/20
Originally Posted by Kyhilljack
Originally Posted by Old_Toot
Originally Posted by tpcollins
I posted this on another forum:

****************************************************

Not to downplay or minimize anything, but I was listening to Rush today while my wife and I were walking the dog. So I looked up worldwide death causes when I got home - comparing current corvid19 deaths versus others for the entire year in 2019.


Corvid19 - 46,062 in 1st 3 months

Suicides - 800,000 / 4 = 200,000 per 3 months
Car accidents - 1,300,000 / 4 = 325,000 per 3 months
HIV/Aids - 1,700,000 / 4 = 425,000 per 3 months
Smoking - 5,000,000 / 4 = 1,250,000 per 3 months
Cancer - 8,200,000 / 4 = 2,050,000 per 3 months
Abortion - 42,300,00 / 4 = 10,575,000 per 3 months

That’s 13,775,000 deaths per 3 months and regular influenza wasn’t even mentioned.


https://decisionmagazine.com/abortion-leading-cause-death-worldwide-2019/


The only thing seen in your data that’s contagious appears to be HIV.

Correlation ?

No, Africa.


No argument there.
Posted By: Squidge Re: Corona Virus Panic - 04/01/20
Originally Posted by RAS
In Japan, they are all wearing masks and other PPE.

But they are going to work.

We can’t sustain this. People in public need to wear PPE, use common sense, and go back to work.

Otherwise, get ready to see your children and grandchildren in bread lines.


I wish there were plenty of masks for everyone, sadly we are still in short supply of masks for our medical personnel dealing with C19.
Posted By: smokepole Re: Corona Virus Panic - 04/01/20
Originally Posted by drover

While any number of deaths is sad I wonder what is different that we have chosen to ruin the economy and put many workers into a situation that they will never financially recover from. Is there a logic that I am missing?

drover


Well, how about the logic behind the assertion that many workers will never recover? Where does that come from?
Posted By: irfubar Re: Corona Virus Panic - 04/01/20
I am amazed at the reaction and panic this has caused.
I made my case here and was soundly ridiculed by the OMG crowd.
One poster even made reference I was same as Elkslayer....... that hurt.... not , lol

Seems fat old boomers with diabetes and high blood pressure are sceered.....oh crap, now I am in trouble.... maybe if I send them some T.P. they will forgive me?
Posted By: irfubar Re: Corona Virus Panic - 04/01/20
Originally Posted by Squidge
Originally Posted by RAS
In Japan, they are all wearing masks and other PPE.

But they are going to work.

We can’t sustain this. People in public need to wear PPE, use common sense, and go back to work.

Otherwise, get ready to see your children and grandchildren in bread lines.


I wish there were plenty of masks for everyone, sadly we are still in short supply of masks for our medical personnel dealing with C19.


The mask come from China.... there is a clue in there somewhere.... wink

Also a mask isn't a fix all.
Posted By: irfubar Re: Corona Virus Panic - 04/01/20
But, but the experts predict..... we will all be dead in 12 years from global warming .... oh and Floriduh was suppose to be underwater by 2005
Posted By: xarcher Re: Corona Virus Panic - 04/01/20
Originally Posted by Old_Toot
Originally Posted by tpcollins
I posted this on another forum:

****************************************************

Not to downplay or minimize anything, but I was listening to Rush today while my wife and I were walking the dog. So I looked up worldwide death causes when I got home - comparing current corvid19 deaths versus others for the entire year in 2019.


Corvid19 - 46,062 in 1st 3 months

Suicides - 800,000 / 4 = 200,000 per 3 months
Car accidents - 1,300,000 / 4 = 325,000 per 3 months
HIV/Aids - 1,700,000 / 4 = 425,000 per 3 months
Smoking - 5,000,000 / 4 = 1,250,000 per 3 months
Cancer - 8,200,000 / 4 = 2,050,000 per 3 months
Abortion - 42,300,00 / 4 = 10,575,000 per 3 months

That’s 13,775,000 deaths per 3 months and regular influenza wasn’t even mentioned.


https://decisionmagazine.com/abortion-leading-cause-death-worldwide-2019/


The only thing seen in your data that’s contagious appears to be HIV.

Correlation ?

Furthermore, it’s not possible to get HIV by shaking someone’s hand or going out to dinner with another. There is no correlation.

So for those that say take off the handcuffs and let it take its course, you’re willing to transfer the virus to your children, grandchildren, spouse, parents, etc? Didn’t think so.
Posted By: irfubar Re: Corona Virus Panic - 04/01/20
Unless we find a vaccine we are stuck with this thing.
When I was a kid mothers used to take us to another kids house with chicken pox to get us infected and build anti-bodies.....we lived .... and now have shingles.. lol
Posted By: Romulus Re: Corona Virus Panic - 04/01/20
Originally Posted by alwaysoutdoors
It’s official. We are a bunch of pansies as a whole country.

“Hey, you’re probably gonna get sick and a very, very small percent will die”

Us: run the [bleep] home and shut down restaurants , schools, and wait for the TV to tell us what to do.
i think the same way too but people think I’m being weird, 3 people die and a whole city would go [bleep] scared and people stuffs running buying TP, food etc. now we know chloroquine is a cure for and yet people are still damn scared to come out and live normally. I bet of HIV have a cure they would spank the hell out of anything they can find.
Posted By: centershot Re: Corona Virus Panic - 04/01/20
I personally think this virus is very serious. Watching Trump's speech last night has me worried. You could see it in his face, this is no joke. I think he has a much better picture of what happened in China and Italy than we have been privy to and is doing everything he can think of to avoid it.

I prefer to be alive and deal with the economic issues as opposed to the other option. Call me a pansy, if you want - just do it from 6+ feet away please.
Posted By: moosemike Re: Corona Virus Panic - 04/01/20
Originally Posted by alwaysoutdoors
It’s official. We are a bunch of pansies as a whole country.

“Hey, you’re probably gonna get sick and a very, very small percent will die”

Us: run the [bleep] home and shut down restaurants , schools, and wait for the TV to tell us what to do.


We didn't run home. We're being forced to. Because they're taking over.
Posted By: drover Re: Corona Virus Panic - 04/01/20
Originally Posted by smokepole
Originally Posted by drover

While any number of deaths is sad I wonder what is different that we have chosen to ruin the economy and put many workers into a situation that they will never financially recover from. Is there a logic that I am missing?

drover


Well, how about the logic behind the assertion that many workers will never recover? Where does that come from?



There is a lot of available data to support it. Google something along the lines of "how many workers live pay check to pay check". It doesn't take rocket science to find it.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/zackfr...ycheck-government-shutdown/#6042056e4f10

https://www.debt.org/faqs/americans-in-debt/

A great many of the folks who are being put out of work are the waitresses, cooks, hotel/motel staff, vendors at sports stadiums. Not to disparage people who make their living like that but those are not generally well paid jobs and if they had the skills or training they would likely be working at a job for higher wages. Their rent and other overhead costs continue on even when they are unemployed, when working a $7.00 - $10.00 per hour job and you get behind on everything catching up becomes very difficult.

drover

Posted By: WYcoyote Re: Corona Virus Panic - 04/01/20
Well, don't know how it will pan out, no one really does, but there is this...

Spanish flu from January 1918 to December 1920, it infected 500 million people—about one third of the world's population at the time.
Number of deaths: 50,000,000.
Deaths in US: 675,000.
Posted By: 280shooter Re: Corona Virus Panic - 04/01/20
Panic gives people some excitement. What nasty thing could, might, maybe happen is always a thrill. I had an old friend who said this with regards to bull riding:
"Nobody wants anybody to get hurt. Nobody wants anyone to get killed. But if it's gonna happen anyway, I kinda wanna be there to see it."

Besides, keeping the economy going won't get Trump out of office, now will it?
Posted By: saddlesore Re: Corona Virus Panic - 04/01/20
Predicted deaths in US using current guidlines 100,000,-200000 .Predicted deaths in US by letting it run it's course with no guidelines 1.5-2 million people.I hope all the ignorant ones saying there is no problem get away with not taking the infection home to their kids, parents or grandparents and have one of those family members die.

Th longer those with their head up their butts refuse to follow the prescribed guidelines, the longer all of us are going to have to put up with them.There are a heck of a lot of smarter people than you saying there is a problem.

To all saying there is no problem and let it run it run it's course, what will you say when it is one of your family that dies?

We lived and rebounded from Rationing and slumped economy iWWII , and we will do it again .Sadly those that are no sayers probably were not old enough suffer thru that. Your greed and selfishness is showing.
Posted By: Judman Re: Corona Virus Panic - 04/01/20
Originally Posted by saddlesore
Predicted deaths in US using current guidlines 100,000,-200000 .Predicted deaths in US by letting it run it's course with no guidelines 1.5-2 million people.I hope all the ignorant ones saying there is no problem get away with not taking the infection home to their kids, parents or grandparents and have one of those family members die.

Th longer those with their head up their butts refuse to follow the prescribed guidelines, the longer all of us are going to have to put up with them.There are a heck of a lot of smarter people than you saying there is a problem.

To all saying there is no problem and let it run it run it's course, what will you say when it is one of your family that dies?

We lived and rebounded from Rationing and slumped economy iWWII , and we will do it again .Sadly those that are no sayers probably were not old enough suffer thru that. Your greed and selfishness is showing.


I agree saddle sore.
Posted By: irfubar Re: Corona Virus Panic - 04/01/20
Some could make a case that the vulnerable asking the rest of the country to shut down and go broke so they can avoid it are the selfish greedy ones?

How about some personal responsibility? if you are vulnerable or scared stay home.

Freedom and personal responsibility, it's a thing this country used to believe in.

Self quarantine... I don't believe I am in the vulnerable category, but I don't go out, and I sure as hell have no business telling another man he can't work and feed his family!
Posted By: xarcher Re: Corona Virus Panic - 04/01/20
Originally Posted by irfubar
Some could make a case that the vulnerable asking the rest of the country to shut down and go broke so they can avoid it are the selfish greedy ones?

How about some personal responsibility? if you are vulnerable or scared stay home.

Freedom and personal responsibility, it's a thing this country used to believe in.

Self quarantine... I don't believe I am in the vulnerable category, but I don't go out, and I sure as hell have no business telling another man he can't work and feed his family!

You talk about personal responsibility. What about personal responsibility to protect and respect your family.
Posted By: antelope_sniper Re: Corona Virus Panic - 04/01/20
Originally Posted by Old_Toot
Originally Posted by RAS
In Japan, they are all wearing masks and other PPE.

But they are going to work.

We can’t sustain this. People in public need to wear PPE, use common sense, and go back to work.

Otherwise, get ready to see your children and grandchildren in bread lines.


You nailed it. The bulk of our problem appears to be lack of common sense.

Can’t mandate or force that on any sumbitch. Ain’t no laws against it either.


Japan shut down early and stopped it before it got a good start. They've already had all schools across the country closed for a month. That's why they are back to work.
Posted By: 163bc Re: Corona Virus Panic - 04/01/20
Originally Posted by saddlesore
Predicted deaths in US using current guidlines 100,000,-200000 .Predicted deaths in US by letting it run it's course with no guidelines 1.5-2 million people.I hope all the ignorant ones saying there is no problem get away with not taking the infection home to their kids, parents or grandparents and have one of those family members die.

Th longer those with their head up their butts refuse to follow the prescribed guidelines, the longer all of us are going to have to put up with them.There are a heck of a lot of smarter people than you saying there is a problem.

To all saying there is no problem and let it run it run it's course, what will you say when it is one of your family that dies?

We lived and rebounded from Rationing and slumped economy iWWII , and we will do it again .Sadly those that are no sayers probably were not old enough suffer thru that. Your greed and selfishness is showing.


Agreed n well said
Posted By: antelope_sniper Re: Corona Virus Panic - 04/01/20
Originally Posted by drover
I find it odd that we have shut down the country and disrupted the economy over the CV-19 pandemic.

While any number of deaths is sad I wonder what is different that we have chosen to ruin the economy and put many workers into a situation that they will never financially recover from. Is there a logic that I am missing? It seems heartless to say it but perhaps the country would have been better off if the CV would have been allowed to run its course without all of the drastic measures being taken.

1957-1958 Pandemic (H2N2 virus) - The estimated number of deaths was 1.1 million worldwide and 116,000 in the United States.

1968 Pandemic (H3N2 virus) - The estimated number of deaths was 1 million worldwide and about 100,000 in the United States.

CV-19 - (the most recent count) - number of deaths world wide - 45,497 and 4,476 in the United States

drover


What the alternate scenario.

How many would die if we did nothing?
Posted By: Kyhilljack Re: Corona Virus Panic - 04/01/20
Originally Posted by xarcher
Originally Posted by Old_Toot
Originally Posted by tpcollins
I posted this on another forum:

****************************************************

Not to downplay or minimize anything, but I was listening to Rush today while my wife and I were walking the dog. So I looked up worldwide death causes when I got home - comparing current corvid19 deaths versus others for the entire year in 2019.


Corvid19 - 46,062 in 1st 3 months

Suicides - 800,000 / 4 = 200,000 per 3 months
Car accidents - 1,300,000 / 4 = 325,000 per 3 months
HIV/Aids - 1,700,000 / 4 = 425,000 per 3 months
Smoking - 5,000,000 / 4 = 1,250,000 per 3 months
Cancer - 8,200,000 / 4 = 2,050,000 per 3 months
Abortion - 42,300,00 / 4 = 10,575,000 per 3 months

That’s 13,775,000 deaths per 3 months and regular influenza wasn’t even mentioned.


https://decisionmagazine.com/abortion-leading-cause-death-worldwide-2019/


The only thing seen in your data that’s contagious appears to be HIV.

Correlation ?

Furthermore, it’s not possible to get HIV by shaking someone’s hand or going out to dinner with another. There is no correlation.

So for those that say take off the handcuffs and let it take its course, you’re willing to transfer the virus to your children, grandchildren, spouse, parents, etc? Didn’t think so.


Life's a crap shoot.
Let 'er ride !
Posted By: Kyhilljack Re: Corona Virus Panic - 04/01/20
Originally Posted by saddlesore
Predicted deaths in US using current guidlines 100,000,-200000 .Predicted deaths in US by letting it run it's course with no guidelines 1.5-2 million people.I hope all the ignorant ones saying there is no problem get away with not taking the infection home to their kids, parents or grandparents and have one of those family members die.

Th longer those with their head up their butts refuse to follow the prescribed guidelines, the longer all of us are going to have to put up with them.There are a heck of a lot of smarter people than you saying there is a problem.

To all saying there is no problem and let it run it run it's course, what will you say when it is one of your family that dies?

We lived and rebounded from Rationing and slumped economy iWWII , and we will do it again .Sadly those that are no sayers probably were not old enough suffer thru that. Your greed and selfishness is showing.

Wish it were that simple Saddle. Folks today aren't the same. No grit. Those who have it and will do the work will be absolutely raped by the government to take care of the useless and lazy.
Posted By: BangPop Re: Corona Virus Panic - 04/01/20
Originally Posted by tpcollins
I posted this on another forum:

****************************************************

Not to downplay or minimize anything, but I was listening to Rush today while my wife and I were walking the dog. So I looked up worldwide death causes when I got home - comparing current corvid19 deaths versus others for the entire year in 2019.


Corvid19 - 46,062 in 1st 3 months

Suicides - 800,000 / 4 = 200,000 per 3 months
Car accidents - 1,300,000 / 4 = 325,000 per 3 months
HIV/Aids - 1,700,000 / 4 = 425,000 per 3 months
Smoking - 5,000,000 / 4 = 1,250,000 per 3 months
Cancer - 8,200,000 / 4 = 2,050,000 per 3 months
Abortion - 42,300,00 / 4 = 10,575,000 per 3 months

That’s 13,775,000 deaths per 3 months and regular influenza wasn’t even mentioned.


https://decisionmagazine.com/abortion-leading-cause-death-worldwide-2019/


I don't know where some of this bullchit data comes from, but the suicide rate you referenced is completely ridiculous. The accurate data for suicide for 2018 and 2019 is just north of 48,000 each year. You might consider checking to see if something is correct before posting it. You look like a fool when you post [bleep] like that.
Posted By: Blackheart Re: Corona Virus Panic - 04/01/20
Originally Posted by Judman
Originally Posted by saddlesore
Predicted deaths in US using current guidlines 100,000,-200000 .Predicted deaths in US by letting it run it's course with no guidelines 1.5-2 million people.I hope all the ignorant ones saying there is no problem get away with not taking the infection home to their kids, parents or grandparents and have one of those family members die.

Th longer those with their head up their butts refuse to follow the prescribed guidelines, the longer all of us are going to have to put up with them.There are a heck of a lot of smarter people than you saying there is a problem.

To all saying there is no problem and let it run it run it's course, what will you say when it is one of your family that dies?

We lived and rebounded from Rationing and slumped economy iWWII , and we will do it again .Sadly those that are no sayers probably were not old enough suffer thru that. Your greed and selfishness is showing.


I agree saddle sore.
Me too. Well said.
Posted By: drover Re: Corona Virus Panic - 04/01/20
Here is a link to the best article i have seen related to the CV pandemic. No one knows if what we are doing is correct and even afterwards we will always wonder if we should have done more or less. I surely do not have an answer but I wonder if anyone does, this article seems to sum it up from the way I see it.


https://www.city-journal.org./1957-asian-flu-pandemic

The article -

Surrounded by amulets of the coronavirus crisis, I stare out my window at a city that may or may not be on the verge of disaster. To my right is a case of canned pasta. To my left are cartons of corned-beef hash from New Jersey and bottled water from Maine. I’m ready for whatever comes.

Except, I’m not ready. In fact, even at my advanced 80-something age, I find the whole Covid-19 panic to be strange and troubling. I’ve lived through epidemics before, but they didn’t crash the stock market, wreck a booming economy, and shut down international travel. They didn’t stop the St. Patrick’s Day parade or the NCAA basketball tournament, and they didn’t drop the curtain on Broadway shows. Will these extreme measures have any real effect on the spread of Covid-19 in New York, or America? We’re about to find out.

My first encounter with a global pandemic came in October 1957, when I spent a week in my college infirmary with a case of the H2N2 virus, known at the time by the politically incorrect name of “Asian flu.” My fever spiked to 105, and I was sicker than I’d ever been. The infirmary quickly filled with other cases, though some ailing students toughed it out in their dorm rooms with aspirin and orange juice. The college itself did not close, and the surrounding town did not impose restrictions on public gatherings. The day that I was discharged from the infirmary, I played in an intercollegiate soccer game, which drew a big crowd.

It’s not that Asian flu—the second influenza pandemic of the twentieth century—wasn’t a serious disease. Worldwide, this flu strain killed somewhere between 1 and 2 million people. More than 100,000 died in the U.S. alone. And yet, to the best of my knowledge, governors did not call out the National Guard, and political panic-mongers did not blame it all on President Eisenhower. College sports events were not cancelled, planes and trains continued to run, and Americans did not regard one another with fear and suspicion, touching elbows instead of hands. We took the Asian flu in stride. We said our prayers and took our chances.

Today, I look back and wonder if an oblivious America faced the 1957 plague with a kind of clueless folly. Why weren’t we more active in fighting this contagion? Could stricter quarantine procedures have reduced the rate of infection and lowered the death toll? In short, why weren’t we more afraid?

It’s hard to answer that question without explaining what it was like to grow up in an age of infectious illness. My mother once showed me a list of the contagious diseases she survived before the age of 20. On the list were the usual childhood illnesses, along with deadly afflictions like typhoid fever, pneumonia, diphtheria (it killed her older brother), scarlet fever, and the lethal 1918–19 Spanish flu, which took more than 50 million lives around the world.

For those who grew up in the 1930s and 1940s, there was nothing unusual about finding yourself threatened by contagious disease. Mumps, measles, chicken pox, and German measles swept through entire schools and towns; I had all four. Polio took a heavy annual toll, leaving thousands of people (mostly children) paralyzed or dead. There were no vaccines. Growing up meant running an unavoidable gauntlet of infectious disease. For college students in 1957, the Asian flu was a familiar hurdle on the road to adulthood. For everyone older, the flu was a familiar foe. There was no possibility of working at home. You had to go out and face the danger.

Today, thanks to vaccines, fewer and fewer people remember what it was like to survive a succession of childhood diseases. Is the unfamiliar threat of serious sickness making us more afraid of Covid-19 than we need to be? Does a society that relies more on politics than faith now find itself in an uncomfortable bind, unable to lecture, browbeat, intimidate, or evade the incorrect behavior of a dangerous microbe?

When the coronavirus finally runs its course, one of the most important tasks for health-care officials will be to determine whether the preventive measures we’re taking today were effective. Did deploying the National Guard save lives, or did it simply expose the soldiers to an infection that, in the end, could not be stopped? Did we pay too high a price for tanking our economy and disrupting our society?

Or did we get it right, acting quickly and decisively to slow the virus, shutting down possible pathways of infection? By comparing the 2020 data with information from 1957, we’ll also be able to find out if the strange people who lived in that distant year—and I remember them well—could have done more to reduce the death toll of the Asian flu. The more answers we get, and the sooner we get them, the better it will be for everyone. When the curtain goes up on Broadway again, somewhere in a faraway continent to be named later, we can be sure that new viruses will be waiting in the wings.
Posted By: Kyhilljack Re: Corona Virus Panic - 04/01/20
Originally Posted by BangPop
Originally Posted by tpcollins
I posted this on another forum:

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Not to downplay or minimize anything, but I was listening to Rush today while my wife and I were walking the dog. So I looked up worldwide death causes when I got home - comparing current corvid19 deaths versus others for the entire year in 2019.


Corvid19 - 46,062 in 1st 3 months

Suicides - 800,000 / 4 = 200,000 per 3 months
Car accidents - 1,300,000 / 4 = 325,000 per 3 months
HIV/Aids - 1,700,000 / 4 = 425,000 per 3 months
Smoking - 5,000,000 / 4 = 1,250,000 per 3 months
Cancer - 8,200,000 / 4 = 2,050,000 per 3 months
Abortion - 42,300,00 / 4 = 10,575,000 per 3 months

That’s 13,775,000 deaths per 3 months and regular influenza wasn’t even mentioned.


https://decisionmagazine.com/abortion-leading-cause-death-worldwide-2019/


I don't know where some of this bullchit data comes from, but the suicide rate you referenced is completely ridiculous. The accurate data for suicide for 2018 and 2019 is just north of 48,000 each year. You might consider checking to see if something is correct before posting it. You look like a fool when you post [bleep] like that.

WORLDWIDE statitics ...
Posted By: tpcollins Re: Corona Virus Panic - 04/01/20
Originally Posted by BangPop
Originally Posted by tpcollins
I posted this on another forum:

****************************************************

Not to downplay or minimize anything, but I was listening to Rush today while my wife and I were walking the dog. So I looked up worldwide death causes when I got home - comparing current corvid19 deaths versus others for the entire year in 2019.


Corvid19 - 46,062 in 1st 3 months

Suicides - 800,000 / 4 = 200,000 per 3 months
Car accidents - 1,300,000 / 4 = 325,000 per 3 months
HIV/Aids - 1,700,000 / 4 = 425,000 per 3 months
Smoking - 5,000,000 / 4 = 1,250,000 per 3 months
Cancer - 8,200,000 / 4 = 2,050,000 per 3 months
Abortion - 42,300,00 / 4 = 10,575,000 per 3 months

That’s 13,775,000 deaths per 3 months and regular influenza wasn’t even mentioned.


https://decisionmagazine.com/abortion-leading-cause-death-worldwide-2019/


I don't know where some of this bullchit data comes from, but the suicide rate you referenced is completely ridiculous. The accurate data for suicide for 2018 and 2019 is just north of 48,000 each year. You might consider checking to see if something is correct before posting it. You look like a fool when you post [bleep] like that.



Here you go dumbass - World Wide:

https://www.who.int/mental_health/prevention/suicide/suicideprevent/en/
Posted By: acy Re: Corona Virus Panic - 04/01/20
Originally Posted by BangPop
Originally Posted by tpcollins
I posted this on another forum:

****************************************************

Not to downplay or minimize anything, but I was listening to Rush today while my wife and I were walking the dog. So I looked up worldwide death causes when I got home - comparing current corvid19 deaths versus others for the entire year in 2019.


Corvid19 - 46,062 in 1st 3 months

Suicides - 800,000 / 4 = 200,000 per 3 months
Car accidents - 1,300,000 / 4 = 325,000 per 3 months
HIV/Aids - 1,700,000 / 4 = 425,000 per 3 months
Smoking - 5,000,000 / 4 = 1,250,000 per 3 months
Cancer - 8,200,000 / 4 = 2,050,000 per 3 months
Abortion - 42,300,00 / 4 = 10,575,000 per 3 months

That’s 13,775,000 deaths per 3 months and regular influenza wasn’t even mentioned.


https://decisionmagazine.com/abortion-leading-cause-death-worldwide-2019/


I don't know where some of this bullchit data comes from, but the suicide rate you referenced is completely ridiculous. The accurate data for suicide for 2018 and 2019 is just north of 48,000 each year. You might consider checking to see if something is correct before posting it. You look like a fool when you post [bleep] like that.


His suicide number comes from the World Health Organization website. After reading your post insulting his intelligence, I did a quick search. I can't vouch for the accuracy of the WHO number, but it is there if you care to look. I'd post the link, but, I'm a bit ashamed to admit, I don't know how. Perhaps you missed the part where he said "worldwide", not just America.
Posted By: Idaho_Shooter Re: Corona Virus Panic - 04/01/20

Originally Posted by irfubar
Some could make a case that the vulnerable asking the rest of the country to shut down and go broke so they can avoid it are the selfish greedy ones?

How about some personal responsibility? if you are vulnerable or scared stay home.

Freedom and personal responsibility, it's a thing this country used to believe in.

Self quarantine... I don't believe I am in the vulnerable category, but I don't go out, and I sure as hell have no business telling another man he can't work and feed his family!


Do we have the right to cancel a concert this week in the middle of Seattle?
Or the right to close Florida beaches during Spring Break?
Or the right to cancel sporting events which draw huge crowds?

There are lots of comparisons being made to recent, fairly innocuous so called "pandemics". In reality by the time this one is over, the only fair comparison will be H1N1 of 1918.
Posted By: acy Re: Corona Virus Panic - 04/01/20
Jeez, some of you guys are fast typists. And you know how to post links. I really need to up my skillset.....lol
Posted By: Kyhilljack Re: Corona Virus Panic - 04/01/20
Originally Posted by drover
Here is a link to the best article i have seen related to the CV pandemic. No one knows if what we are doing is correct and even afterwards we will always wonder if we should have done more or less. I surely do not have an answer but I wonder if anyone does, this article seems to sum it up from the way I see it.


https://www.city-journal.org./1957-asian-flu-pandemic

The article -

Surrounded by amulets of the coronavirus crisis, I stare out my window at a city that may or may not be on the verge of disaster. To my right is a case of canned pasta. To my left are cartons of corned-beef hash from New Jersey and bottled water from Maine. I’m ready for whatever comes.

Except, I’m not ready. In fact, even at my advanced 80-something age, I find the whole Covid-19 panic to be strange and troubling. I’ve lived through epidemics before, but they didn’t crash the stock market, wreck a booming economy, and shut down international travel. They didn’t stop the St. Patrick’s Day parade or the NCAA basketball tournament, and they didn’t drop the curtain on Broadway shows. Will these extreme measures have any real effect on the spread of Covid-19 in New York, or America? We’re about to find out.

My first encounter with a global pandemic came in October 1957, when I spent a week in my college infirmary with a case of the H2N2 virus, known at the time by the politically incorrect name of “Asian flu.” My fever spiked to 105, and I was sicker than I’d ever been. The infirmary quickly filled with other cases, though some ailing students toughed it out in their dorm rooms with aspirin and orange juice. The college itself did not close, and the surrounding town did not impose restrictions on public gatherings. The day that I was discharged from the infirmary, I played in an intercollegiate soccer game, which drew a big crowd.

It’s not that Asian flu—the second influenza pandemic of the twentieth century—wasn’t a serious disease. Worldwide, this flu strain killed somewhere between 1 and 2 million people. More than 100,000 died in the U.S. alone. And yet, to the best of my knowledge, governors did not call out the National Guard, and political panic-mongers did not blame it all on President Eisenhower. College sports events were not cancelled, planes and trains continued to run, and Americans did not regard one another with fear and suspicion, touching elbows instead of hands. We took the Asian flu in stride. We said our prayers and took our chances.

Today, I look back and wonder if an oblivious America faced the 1957 plague with a kind of clueless folly. Why weren’t we more active in fighting this contagion? Could stricter quarantine procedures have reduced the rate of infection and lowered the death toll? In short, why weren’t we more afraid?

It’s hard to answer that question without explaining what it was like to grow up in an age of infectious illness. My mother once showed me a list of the contagious diseases she survived before the age of 20. On the list were the usual childhood illnesses, along with deadly afflictions like typhoid fever, pneumonia, diphtheria (it killed her older brother), scarlet fever, and the lethal 1918–19 Spanish flu, which took more than 50 million lives around the world.

For those who grew up in the 1930s and 1940s, there was nothing unusual about finding yourself threatened by contagious disease. Mumps, measles, chicken pox, and German measles swept through entire schools and towns; I had all four. Polio took a heavy annual toll, leaving thousands of people (mostly children) paralyzed or dead. There were no vaccines. Growing up meant running an unavoidable gauntlet of infectious disease. For college students in 1957, the Asian flu was a familiar hurdle on the road to adulthood. For everyone older, the flu was a familiar foe. There was no possibility of working at home. You had to go out and face the danger.

Today, thanks to vaccines, fewer and fewer people remember what it was like to survive a succession of childhood diseases. Is the unfamiliar threat of serious sickness making us more afraid of Covid-19 than we need to be? Does a society that relies more on politics than faith now find itself in an uncomfortable bind, unable to lecture, browbeat, intimidate, or evade the incorrect behavior of a dangerous microbe?

When the coronavirus finally runs its course, one of the most important tasks for health-care officials will be to determine whether the preventive measures we’re taking today were effective. Did deploying the National Guard save lives, or did it simply expose the soldiers to an infection that, in the end, could not be stopped? Did we pay too high a price for tanking our economy and disrupting our society?

Or did we get it right, acting quickly and decisively to slow the virus, shutting down possible pathways of infection? By comparing the 2020 data with information from 1957, we’ll also be able to find out if the strange people who lived in that distant year—and I remember them well—could have done more to reduce the death toll of the Asian flu. The more answers we get, and the sooner we get them, the better it will be for everyone. When the curtain goes up on Broadway again, somewhere in a faraway continent to be named later, we can be sure that new viruses will be waiting in the wings.

I agree. But it's hard to get the truth anymore.
Posted By: BangPop Re: Corona Virus Panic - 04/01/20
Originally Posted by acy
Originally Posted by BangPop
Originally Posted by tpcollins
I posted this on another forum:

****************************************************

Not to downplay or minimize anything, but I was listening to Rush today while my wife and I were walking the dog. So I looked up worldwide death causes when I got home - comparing current corvid19 deaths versus others for the entire year in 2019.


Corvid19 - 46,062 in 1st 3 months

Suicides - 800,000 / 4 = 200,000 per 3 months
Car accidents - 1,300,000 / 4 = 325,000 per 3 months
HIV/Aids - 1,700,000 / 4 = 425,000 per 3 months
Smoking - 5,000,000 / 4 = 1,250,000 per 3 months
Cancer - 8,200,000 / 4 = 2,050,000 per 3 months
Abortion - 42,300,00 / 4 = 10,575,000 per 3 months

That’s 13,775,000 deaths per 3 months and regular influenza wasn’t even mentioned.


https://decisionmagazine.com/abortion-leading-cause-death-worldwide-2019/


I don't know where some of this bullchit data comes from, but the suicide rate you referenced is completely ridiculous. The accurate data for suicide for 2018 and 2019 is just north of 48,000 each year. You might consider checking to see if something is correct before posting it. You look like a fool when you post [bleep] like that.


His suicide number comes from the World Health Organization website. After reading your post insulting his intelligence, I did a quick search. I can't vouch for the accuracy of the WHO number, but it is there if you care to look. I'd post the link, but, I'm a bit ashamed to admit, I don't know how. Perhaps you missed the part where he said "worldwide", not just America.

Indeed I did miss the world wide part. My apologies.
Posted By: CWT Re: Corona Virus Panic - 04/01/20
Yep! The whole world is over reacting! It is a great conspiracy to achieve the New World Order. Folks this is a real problem and the next one, and there will be a next one could be and probably will be worse. Take it seriously.
Posted By: Old_Toot Re: Corona Virus Panic - 04/01/20
Originally Posted by irfubar
Some could make a case that the vulnerable asking the rest of the country to shut down and go broke so they can avoid it are the selfish greedy ones?

How about some personal responsibility? if you are vulnerable or scared stay home.

Freedom and personal responsibility, it's a thing this country used to believe in.

Self quarantine... I don't believe I am in the vulnerable category, but I don't go out, and I sure as hell have no business telling another man he can't work and feed his family!



You’re a better man than that irfubar.
Posted By: irfubar Re: Corona Virus Panic - 04/01/20
Originally Posted by Old_Toot
Originally Posted by irfubar
Some could make a case that the vulnerable asking the rest of the country to shut down and go broke so they can avoid it are the selfish greedy ones?

How about some personal responsibility? if you are vulnerable or scared stay home.

Freedom and personal responsibility, it's a thing this country used to believe in.

Self quarantine... I don't believe I am in the vulnerable category, but I don't go out, and I sure as hell have no business telling another man he can't work and feed his family!



You’re a better man than that irfubar.


Old Toot, thanks for the vote of confidence. The thing is I don't believe it is as bad as they say, simply because I believe they have an agenda.
I know people are dying and it is horrible for them and the families.
I simply believe the one size fits all solution is not the best way to go about this. The vulnerable should isolate and we should do all we can to help. Maybe turn empty hotels into quarantine centers.
To shut down everything makes no sense to me.
I live very rural and in a very sparsely populated state, yet we are shut down, we are low risk.
I also don't believe we shouldn't be driven by fear, I never make a good decision while afraid and most people don't either.
Also there is a reason I'm not in charge, I am a rip the band aid off rub dirt on it sorta guy....

Posted By: alwaysoutdoors Re: Corona Virus Panic - 04/01/20
Old toot is susceptible and afraid. Is your house not in order?
Posted By: Kyhilljack Re: Corona Virus Panic - 04/01/20
Originally Posted by irfubar
Originally Posted by Old_Toot
Originally Posted by irfubar
Some could make a case that the vulnerable asking the rest of the country to shut down and go broke so they can avoid it are the selfish greedy ones?

How about some personal responsibility? if you are vulnerable or scared stay home.

Freedom and personal responsibility, it's a thing this country used to believe in.

Self quarantine... I don't believe I am in the vulnerable category, but I don't go out, and I sure as hell have no business telling another man he can't work and feed his family!



You’re a better man than that irfubar.


Old Toot, thanks for the vote of confidence. The thing is I don't believe it is as bad as they say, simply because I believe they have an agenda.
I know people are dying and it is horrible for them and the families.
I simply believe the one size fits all solution is not the best way to go about this. The vulnerable should isolate and we should do all we can to help. Maybe turn empty hotels into quarantine centers.
To shut down everything makes no sense to me.
I live very rural and in a very sparsely populated state, yet we are shut down, we are low risk.
I also don't believe we shouldn't be driven by fear, I never make a good decision while afraid and most people don't either.
Also there is a reason I'm not in charge, I am a rip the band aid off rub dirt on it sorta guy....


I agree completely. The only thing that bothers me is maybe someone knows something and they are afraid to tell us right now. Guess who 'they' might be . Trump has obviously gotten the best information, hopefully. He wanted to fire it back up a few days ago but now he has backed off of that. But if his 'experts' are misleading him they have an out if it is not as bad as they predict. Rock and a hard place for sure.
Posted By: irfubar Re: Corona Virus Panic - 04/01/20
Originally Posted by Kyhilljack
Originally Posted by irfubar
Originally Posted by Old_Toot
Originally Posted by irfubar
Some could make a case that the vulnerable asking the rest of the country to shut down and go broke so they can avoid it are the selfish greedy ones?

How about some personal responsibility? if you are vulnerable or scared stay home.

Freedom and personal responsibility, it's a thing this country used to believe in.

Self quarantine... I don't believe I am in the vulnerable category, but I don't go out, and I sure as hell have no business telling another man he can't work and feed his family!



You’re a better man than that irfubar.


Old Toot, thanks for the vote of confidence. The thing is I don't believe it is as bad as they say, simply because I believe they have an agenda.
I know people are dying and it is horrible for them and the families.
I simply believe the one size fits all solution is not the best way to go about this. The vulnerable should isolate and we should do all we can to help. Maybe turn empty hotels into quarantine centers.
To shut down everything makes no sense to me.
I live very rural and in a very sparsely populated state, yet we are shut down, we are low risk.
I also don't believe we shouldn't be driven by fear, I never make a good decision while afraid and most people don't either.
Also there is a reason I'm not in charge, I am a rip the band aid off rub dirt on it sorta guy....


I agree completely. The only thing that bothers me is maybe someone knows something and they are afraid to tell us right now. Guess who 'they' might be . Trump has obviously gotten the best information, hopefully. He wanted to fire it back up a few days ago but now he has backed off of that. But if his 'experts' are misleading him they have an out if it is not as bad as they predict. Rock and a hard place for sure.


Great point, and I have considered that also. The thing is we have lost trust. Damn hard to know the truth with the propaganda we have been fed
Posted By: Kyhilljack Re: Corona Virus Panic - 04/01/20
Originally Posted by irfubar
Originally Posted by Kyhilljack
Originally Posted by irfubar
Originally Posted by Old_Toot
Originally Posted by irfubar
Some could make a case that the vulnerable asking the rest of the country to shut down and go broke so they can avoid it are the selfish greedy ones?

How about some personal responsibility? if you are vulnerable or scared stay home.

Freedom and personal responsibility, it's a thing this country used to believe in.

Self quarantine... I don't believe I am in the vulnerable category, but I don't go out, and I sure as hell have no business telling another man he can't work and feed his family!



You’re a better man than that irfubar.


Old Toot, thanks for the vote of confidence. The thing is I don't believe it is as bad as they say, simply because I believe they have an agenda.
I know people are dying and it is horrible for them and the families.
I simply believe the one size fits all solution is not the best way to go about this. The vulnerable should isolate and we should do all we can to help. Maybe turn empty hotels into quarantine centers.
To shut down everything makes no sense to me.
I live very rural and in a very sparsely populated state, yet we are shut down, we are low risk.
I also don't believe we shouldn't be driven by fear, I never make a good decision while afraid and most people don't either.
Also there is a reason I'm not in charge, I am a rip the band aid off rub dirt on it sorta guy....


I agree completely. The only thing that bothers me is maybe someone knows something and they are afraid to tell us right now. Guess who 'they' might be . Trump has obviously gotten the best information, hopefully. He wanted to fire it back up a few days ago but now he has backed off of that. But if his 'experts' are misleading him they have an out if it is not as bad as they predict. Rock and a hard place for sure.


Great point, and I have considered that also. The thing is we have lost trust. Damn hard to know the truth with the propaganda we have been fed

When you have time read this article about sorting through all the info. This guy does some great investigative journalism.
https://www.coreysdigs.com/learn-ho...lize-fact-from-fiction-and-plausibility/
Posted By: Old_Toot Re: Corona Virus Panic - 04/02/20
Originally Posted by irfubar
Originally Posted by Old_Toot
Originally Posted by irfubar
Some could make a case that the vulnerable asking the rest of the country to shut down and go broke so they can avoid it are the selfish greedy ones?

How about some personal responsibility? if you are vulnerable or scared stay home.

Freedom and personal responsibility, it's a thing this country used to believe in.

Self quarantine... I don't believe I am in the vulnerable category, but I don't go out, and I sure as hell have no business telling another man he can't work and feed his family!



You’re a better man than that irfubar.


Old Toot, thanks for the vote of confidence. The thing is I don't believe it is as bad as they say, simply because I believe they have an agenda.
I know people are dying and it is horrible for them and the families.
I simply believe the one size fits all solution is not the best way to go about this. The vulnerable should isolate and we should do all we can to help. Maybe turn empty hotels into quarantine centers.
To shut down everything makes no sense to me.
I live very rural and in a very sparsely populated state, yet we are shut down, we are low risk.
I also don't believe we shouldn't be driven by fear, I never make a good decision while afraid and most people don't either.
Also there is a reason I'm not in charge, I am a rip the band aid off rub dirt on it sorta guy....



Admittedly, I have my suspicions of what’s embedded in this whole shebang and I do believe that it’s gonna rear it’s ugly head and fairly soon. Certainly well before the election. Hope I’m wrong.

It will be weaponized and that’s where I read you as coming from. If so, I fully agree irfubar.
Posted By: smokepole Re: Corona Virus Panic - 04/02/20
Originally Posted by drover
Originally Posted by smokepole
Originally Posted by drover

While any number of deaths is sad I wonder what is different that we have chosen to ruin the economy and put many workers into a situation that they will never financially recover from. Is there a logic that I am missing?

drover


Well, how about the logic behind the assertion that many workers will never recover? Where does that come from?



There is a lot of available data to support it. Google something along the lines of "how many workers live pay check to pay check". It doesn't take rocket science to find it.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/zackfr...ycheck-government-shutdown/#6042056e4f10



It may not take rocket science to find, but you haven't found it. The article says 78% of people "live paycheck to paycheck." And you're saying people who live paycheck to paycheck will never recover.

Neither of which I believe and neither of which you've proven. You're saying 78% of people will never recover, and at the same time calling others "alarmist?"
Posted By: Old_Toot Re: Corona Virus Panic - 04/02/20
Originally Posted by smokepole
Originally Posted by drover
Originally Posted by smokepole
Originally Posted by drover

While any number of deaths is sad I wonder what is different that we have chosen to ruin the economy and put many workers into a situation that they will never financially recover from. Is there a logic that I am missing?

drover


Well, how about the logic behind the assertion that many workers will never recover? Where does that come from?



There is a lot of available data to support it. Google something along the lines of "how many workers live pay check to pay check". It doesn't take rocket science to find it.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/zackfr...ycheck-government-shutdown/#6042056e4f10



It may not take rocket science to find, but you haven't found it. The article says 78% of people "live paycheck to paycheck." And you're saying people who live paycheck to paycheck will never recover.

Neither of which I believe. You're saying 78% of people will never recover, and at the same time calling others "alarmist?"


My nephew is a Principal in a bank in our small town and they’ve been getting calls that the mortgage payments will be later and not on time.
Posted By: smokepole Re: Corona Virus Panic - 04/02/20
Understood. So you conclude that all those people "will never recover?"
Posted By: drover Re: Corona Virus Panic - 04/02/20
Tell you what smokepole, it is obvious that you are in this for an argument so rather than arguing I will refer to the old saying " the proof is in the pudding". Time will tell if I am right or not.

drover
Posted By: Old_Toot Re: Corona Virus Panic - 04/02/20
Originally Posted by smokepole
Understood. So you conclude that all those people "will never recover?"


Not at all, smokepole. We’ll bounce back, it’ll just take a while.

According to Craig (nephew) this is pretty much nationwide and banks were expecting it. They don’t yet know the extent and there’s deep concern on that.

This country has come through a helluva lot worse.
Posted By: xxclaro Re: Corona Virus Panic - 04/02/20
I'm just curious, a year from now, how this will all look in hindsight. Who will we realize made boatloads of money from the market crash? What new laws will have been passed that can now be used in the next inevitable crisis? Should be interesting, being able to see this from the other side.
Posted By: szihn Re: Corona Virus Panic - 04/02/20
OK Folks. Watch this all --- and think for yourself.

Is he right? I expect he is 100%----- but if you disagree, please communicate with him and with me, and show us all why he is wrong point by point.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvLx17NN...eature=youtu.be


Copy and paste this and e-mail it to everyone.
Posted By: mtnsnake Re: Corona Virus Panic - 04/02/20
China is making money hand over hand in the billions.
Posted By: Old_Toot Re: Corona Virus Panic - 04/02/20
Originally Posted by drover
Tell you what smokepole, it is obvious that you are in this for an argument so rather than arguing I will refer to the old saying " the proof is in the pudding". Time will tell if I am right or not.

drover


Arguments aside, I’m saying that attorneys will quite possibly reap a windfall from Bankruptcy proceedings. That’ll be the only way out for many.

I believe that’s coming.

Another case of wishing that I am dead assed wrong.
Posted By: OSU_Sig Re: Corona Virus Panic - 04/02/20
The video has been taken down.
Posted By: Old_Toot Re: Corona Virus Panic - 04/02/20
Originally Posted by OSU_Sig
The video has been taken down.


I couldn’t access it either.
Posted By: irfubar Re: Corona Virus Panic - 04/02/20
Originally Posted by Old_Toot
Originally Posted by irfubar
Originally Posted by Old_Toot
Originally Posted by irfubar
Some could make a case that the vulnerable asking the rest of the country to shut down and go broke so they can avoid it are the selfish greedy ones?

How about some personal responsibility? if you are vulnerable or scared stay home.

Freedom and personal responsibility, it's a thing this country used to believe in.

Self quarantine... I don't believe I am in the vulnerable category, but I don't go out, and I sure as hell have no business telling another man he can't work and feed his family!



You’re a better man than that irfubar.


Old Toot, thanks for the vote of confidence. The thing is I don't believe it is as bad as they say, simply because I believe they have an agenda.
I know people are dying and it is horrible for them and the families.
I simply believe the one size fits all solution is not the best way to go about this. The vulnerable should isolate and we should do all we can to help. Maybe turn empty hotels into quarantine centers.
To shut down everything makes no sense to me.
I live very rural and in a very sparsely populated state, yet we are shut down, we are low risk.
I also don't believe we shouldn't be driven by fear, I never make a good decision while afraid and most people don't either.
Also there is a reason I'm not in charge, I am a rip the band aid off rub dirt on it sorta guy....



Admittedly, I have my suspicions of what’s embedded in this whole shebang and I do believe that it’s gonna rear it’s ugly head and fairly soon. Certainly well before the election. Hope I’m wrong.

It will be weaponized and that’s where I read you as coming from. If so, I fully agree irfubar.


Thanks for the benefit of a doubt, my intuition tells me sumthin ain't right. Watch Szihn's link , does a much better job of splainin than me
Posted By: antelope_sniper Re: Corona Virus Panic - 04/02/20
Originally Posted by Old_Toot
Originally Posted by OSU_Sig
The video has been taken down.


I couldn’t access it either.


You didn't miss anything, it was all lies.
Posted By: jaguartx Re: Corona Virus Panic - 04/02/20
Originally Posted by centershot
I personally think this virus is very serious. Watching Trump's speech last night has me worried. You could see it in his face, this is no joke. I think he has a much better picture of what happened in China and Italy than we have been privy to and is doing everything he can think of to avoid it.

I prefer to be alive and deal with the economic issues as opposed to the other option. Call me a pansy, if you want - just do it from 6+ feet away please.


Yep. Hes trying to hold this down to 150,000 deaths from 2-4 million or more. 4-10 million permanent cripples?

What are the lives of 3 million Americans worth. People are still building homes, commercial properties, highways, etc.

I think the video by the NY doc should dispel the myth this wont kill or cripple a lot of healthy people 30-40 years old.

Of course, some persist in calling it the flu.
Posted By: smokepole Re: Corona Virus Panic - 04/02/20
Originally Posted by Old_Toot
Originally Posted by smokepole
Understood. So you conclude that all those people "will never recover?"


Not at all, smokepole. We’ll bounce back, it’ll just take a while.

According to Craig (nephew) this is pretty much nationwide and banks were expecting it. They don’t yet know the extent and there’s deep concern on that.

This country has come through a helluva lot worse.


Exactly my point. I believe we'll recover just fine.
Posted By: smokepole Re: Corona Virus Panic - 04/02/20
Originally Posted by drover
Tell you what smokepole, it is obvious that you are in this for an argument so rather than arguing I will refer to the old saying " the proof is in the pudding".

drover



No, I just asked you to support your assertion that many people "will never recover." If you have no support for that, just say so.

I don't believe it and I think people are tougher and more resourceful than you give them credit for.
Posted By: Seafire Re: Corona Virus Panic - 04/02/20
Originally Posted by BangPop
Originally Posted by tpcollins
I posted this on another forum:

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Not to downplay or minimize anything, but I was listening to Rush today while my wife and I were walking the dog. So I looked up worldwide death causes when I got home - comparing current corvid19 deaths versus others for the entire year in 2019.


Corvid19 - 46,062 in 1st 3 months

Suicides - 800,000 / 4 = 200,000 per 3 months
Car accidents - 1,300,000 / 4 = 325,000 per 3 months
HIV/Aids - 1,700,000 / 4 = 425,000 per 3 months
Smoking - 5,000,000 / 4 = 1,250,000 per 3 months
Cancer - 8,200,000 / 4 = 2,050,000 per 3 months
Abortion - 42,300,00 / 4 = 10,575,000 per 3 months

That’s 13,775,000 deaths per 3 months and regular influenza wasn’t even mentioned.


https://decisionmagazine.com/abortion-leading-cause-death-worldwide-2019/


I don't know where some of this bullchit data comes from, but the suicide rate you referenced is completely ridiculous. The accurate data for suicide for 2018 and 2019 is just north of 48,000 each year. You might consider checking to see if something is correct before posting it. You look like a fool when you post [bleep] like that.


Those figures are based on world wide, not just the USA...at least the one on suicide.. was following some of this on Rush, but got interrupted by the wife....
Posted By: smokepole Re: Corona Virus Panic - 04/02/20
Originally Posted by irfubar

Seems fat old boomers with diabetes and high blood pressure are sceered.....


That's just about as valid as saying millenials are self-absorbed assh*les who don't give a f*ck about anyone but themselves.

Congratulations?
Posted By: jwall Re: Corona Virus Panic - 04/02/20
I've read this thread.

It's MEDIA driven PANIC.

The so-called Projections are listed as "Could Die" NOT will Die !! There's a diff.

Someone said, "some will not recover economically" ... IMO there's NO doubt about it.

$ 1200, $2400. will NOT keep many from going down the drain. I feel for them. It's REAL.
Posted By: smokepole Re: Corona Virus Panic - 04/02/20
So it's media-driven panic in basically every developed nation, worldwide?

Aren't the media just reporting what medical experts are saying?

Is Trump in on it, since he just announced it'll be status quo until the end of April? Did Trump make a deal with the media??
Posted By: Judman Re: Corona Virus Panic - 04/02/20
Originally Posted by drover
Tell you what smokepole, it is obvious that you are in this for an argument so rather than arguing I will refer to the old saying " the proof is in the pudding". Time will tell if I am right or not.

drover


Yep, par....
Posted By: Old_Toot Re: Corona Virus Panic - 04/02/20
Originally Posted by smokepole
Originally Posted by Old_Toot
Originally Posted by smokepole
Understood. So you conclude that all those people "will never recover?"


Not at all, smokepole. We’ll bounce back, it’ll just take a while.

According to Craig (nephew) this is pretty much nationwide and banks were expecting it. They don’t yet know the extent and there’s deep concern on that.

This country has come through a helluva lot worse.


Exactly my point. I believe we'll recover just fine.


Any way that we cut it or slice it, smokepole, it’s gonna be all uphill and with chains on all four tires for many, many people and not just the in the Ole USA.
Posted By: Judman Re: Corona Virus Panic - 04/02/20
Don't argue about it, just sit back and watch folks, it's gonna get worse, gonna be a long uphill battle.
Posted By: Old_Toot Re: Corona Virus Panic - 04/02/20
Originally Posted by Judman
Don't argue about it, just sit back and watch folks, it's gonna get worse, gonna be a long uphill battle.


That be fact. Let’s just hope the precautions mitigate things of what could have been.
Posted By: smokepole Re: Corona Virus Panic - 04/02/20
Well, for one thing, it looks like we're not too far away from widespread testing, and maybe even an effective treatment or two. Widespread testing will let all the people who are not infected get back to work.

If so, buying a little time now will pay off hugely, and it won't go on as long as people think it might.
Posted By: dassa Re: Corona Virus Panic - 04/02/20
Originally Posted by drover
I find it odd that we have shut down the country and disrupted the economy over the CV-19 pandemic.

While any number of deaths is sad I wonder what is different that we have chosen to ruin the economy and put many workers into a situation that they will never financially recover from. Is there a logic that I am missing? It seems heartless to say it but perhaps the country would have been better off if the CV would have been allowed to run its course without all of the drastic measures being taken.

1957-1958 Pandemic (H2N2 virus) - The estimated number of deaths was 1.1 million worldwide and 116,000 in the United States.

1968 Pandemic (H3N2 virus) - The estimated number of deaths was 1 million worldwide and about 100,000 in the United States.

CV-19 - (the most recent count) - number of deaths world wide - 45,497 and 4,476 in the United States

drover

You obviously don't know the meaning of the word "exponential"
Posted By: dassa Re: Corona Virus Panic - 04/02/20
Originally Posted by drover
I find it odd that we have shut down the country and disrupted the economy over the CV-19 pandemic.

While any number of deaths is sad I wonder what is different that we have chosen to ruin the economy and put many workers into a situation that they will never financially recover from. Is there a logic that I am missing? It seems heartless to say it but perhaps the country would have been better off if the CV would have been allowed to run its course without all of the drastic measures being taken.

1957-1958 Pandemic (H2N2 virus) - The estimated number of deaths was 1.1 million worldwide and 116,000 in the United States.

1968 Pandemic (H3N2 virus) - The estimated number of deaths was 1 million worldwide and about 100,000 in the United States.

CV-19 - (the most recent count) - number of deaths world wide - 45,497 and 4,476 in the United States

drover

You obviously don't know the meaning of the word "exponential"
Originally Posted by BangPop
Originally Posted by tpcollins
I posted this on another forum:

****************************************************

Not to downplay or minimize anything, but I was listening to Rush today while my wife and I were walking the dog. So I looked up worldwide death causes when I got home - comparing current corvid19 deaths versus others for the entire year in 2019.


Corvid19 - 46,062 in 1st 3 months

Suicides - 800,000 / 4 = 200,000 per 3 months
Car accidents - 1,300,000 / 4 = 325,000 per 3 months
HIV/Aids - 1,700,000 / 4 = 425,000 per 3 months
Smoking - 5,000,000 / 4 = 1,250,000 per 3 months
Cancer - 8,200,000 / 4 = 2,050,000 per 3 months
Abortion - 42,300,00 / 4 = 10,575,000 per 3 months

That’s 13,775,000 deaths per 3 months and regular influenza wasn’t even mentioned.


https://decisionmagazine.com/abortion-leading-cause-death-worldwide-2019/


I don't know where some of this bullchit data comes from, but the suicide rate you referenced is completely ridiculous. The accurate data for suicide for 2018 and 2019 is just north of 48,000 each year. You might consider checking to see if something is correct before posting it. You look like a fool when you post [bleep] like that.

It comes from WHO. The guy even bolded worldwide in his post. I about call you a fool, though.
Posted By: Blackheart Re: Corona Virus Panic - 04/02/20
Originally Posted by jwall
I've read this thread.

It's MEDIA driven PANIC.

The so-called Projections are listed as "Could Die" NOT will Die !! There's a diff.

Someone said, "some will not recover economically" ... IMO there's NO doubt about it.

$ 1200, $2400. will NOT keep many from going down the drain. I feel for them. It's REAL.
You can recover from major economic disaster. I've done it several times in my life. Tough to recover from being dead.
Posted By: 280shooter Re: Corona Virus Panic - 04/02/20
Originally Posted by smokepole
Understood. So you conclude that all those people "will never recover?"



You're 65 and were thinking of selling your business and retiring. Oops. The panic just destroyed your business, so what you are left with are expenses and debt with no income. Fun recovery from that.
"We" collectively will recover. Many individuals will not - and no, I am not in that position, but many are or in similar situations.
Posted By: johnn Re: Corona Virus Panic - 04/02/20
Originally Posted by 280shooter
Originally Posted by smokepole
Understood. So you conclude that all those people "will never recover?"



You're 65 and were thinking of selling your business and retiring. Oops. The panic just destroyed your business, so what you are left with are expenses and debt with no income. Fun recovery from that.
"We" collectively will recover. Many individuals will not - and no, I am not in that position, but many are or in similar situations.

That would be me your talking about, guess im glad i can still work, nothing wrong with it... no guarantees in life, specially with sears gone
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