I am out of touch with that segment these days.

What you wanna pay?

Firearms or ammo?

I'll bet ammo.

Lapua and Eley make the best 22 lr ammo, that I'm aware of, but its pricey, for the good stuff. $20 for a box of 50 is common and since prices have gone up lately, it's probably more.

Never heard of any 22LR ammo that is not factory?

Factory 22lr?


Do people reload 22lr?





I assume rifle.


We shall see.

This is what I shoot in the Voodoo and the 54 but it is pricey

YES!

CCI for good averaged priced 22 ammo and has been for decades

DD..... where are you??

If i knew an easy way to reload 22LR I would. I reload everything else.

nothing made in the US. Eley, RWS, Lapua depends on rifle

Sorry was not clear I am asking about rifles.

Depends on the money. I would suggest a CZ.

I've had good results from a Marlin model 795 and some bulk packed Winchester 36 grain Xpert hollow points.

Really? Federal doesn't make 900 and 1000 anymore? No clue but the 900 shot better in a good 22 than the 1000 did a few moons ago...

Semi auto? bolt action? Do you want a highly accurate rifle or just something to plink cans with?

CCI

OK, we've got best 22 rifle, not ammo ?

Now, best for what?

We talking most accurate, best truck gun, best, as in most dependable?

But CZ does offer some really accurate guns, as well as pleasing to look at.

I can go lever or semi auto or bolt. Just want something fairly accurate.

Define “best”. Best for what?

ammo wise, since they don't make guns, CCI has decent ammo but not the best ammo by a long shot. Their standard velocity lead load works decent though and I've had 1 inch groups at 100 with the prefragmented subsonics which is not bad accuracy.

For the $$ Tikka T1X. Hands down. Want to spend 3x as much, Vudoo, Anschutz... Want to spend 8x as much,
Grunig & Elmeiger, Bleiker, Turbo's 3P.

It's the best American made .22 ammo by far and I shoot a ton of .22's. Everything from Win. and Rem. is inconsistent crap in comparison.

I don't own one, but I like the Remington 552 BDL. Walnut and steel autoloader that'll shoot shorts, longs, and long rifles.

Anschutz 54 action model 1700.

Cooper 57M.

Older Kimber model 82's made in Oregon.

PS: Edited to add Winchester and Browning reproductions of the model 52 sporter

I’d go with an anschutz 1700 series, for a highly accurate 23 lr.

My favorite is my Marlin 39A. Accurate and damn fun to shoot!

Well yeah. Mine is a 39M. Although not a factory offering anymore. Custom shop maybe, but I think I heard upwards of 2 g's.

Again, how much do you want to spend? Plenty of older used rifles out there, as well as new ones.

The 552 receiver is aluminum.

Yep but for working stiffs CCI Standard Velocity is pretty excellent.

Oh.. Is it? I thought it was steel like the 121,, and 870.

There's a lot of "best" rifles out there. Fact is I have 4 that are best, each having a different application. One that I play with the most?



It don't shoot fer chitt, but I love it anyway.


Did I hear somebody say you can't reload the vaunted .22 LR? HORSEFEATHERS!




Reloads aren't quite as accurate, but I'm working on it.


Got any other questions?

Browning.

pick yer self up a Marlin 39 of some sort.......

I prefer the 20" Mountie series........

Anschutz. Pure quality, beauty and functionality. You get what you pay for.

Mod 17D


On the home from Kimber makes a sweet .22, especially the used models built in Clackamas.

How much do you want to spend?

Blued steel and walnut? SS and plastic?

I hear great things about the Ruger American, but I would take the 10-22 for half the cost.

Or there is the Savage Mark II BVT which I like with the laminate thumbhole stock and heavy barrel.

I’ve got an older Marlin, and a 2 year old Ruger American in .22 LR. Either one will give me minute of Squirrel out to 50 yards or so with those Remington “Golden Bullets”
I’ve tried several different flavors of ammo in both of them. Even a few of the expensive match stuff.
Really haven’t found anything that much more accurate than the Remington stuff, especially if you factor in the cost and ease of availability. It’s good, it’s cheap, and it doesn’t fowl (or Is it foul) my rifles.
If I was into serious competition I’d maybe find something especially good, but for head shooting squirrels for the pot and plinking for practice, I’m happy with it.
7mm

For a lever I would get a Marlin 39. Put a peep sight on it and have a blast.
Semi - Ruger 10/22, zillions of accessories for it so you can pimp it out any way you want. I've never had a Marlin 60 but I've heard nothing but good things about them.
Bolt - Same for the Tikka T1x. If I was starting over I think I'd start here.
Pump - You didn't mention it but take a look at the Remington 572, I love mine.

The OP was about rifles.

My vote is Anschutz.

FLS or just neck. Lol

I pity the fingers that try to anneal them!

In my safe: for serious shooting, a CZ 455. For fun: Browning SA 22.

Buddy has a Ruger American, recently purchased. Shoots very good, almost as good as the Contender I have. His groups are about .05" larger than mine on average.

My 10/22 don't shoot all that good.

On the ammo side, when was the last time one saw Win Power Points in a store? Have about 8 bricks but not seen any on the shelf for about 6 years.

I'd like one of these with K-Hornet and 30-30 AI barrels.

Cooper 57 or Anschutz with 54 action. I had a Cooper 57 Jackson Squirrel Rifle and would still have it if I didn't love my grandson so much.

The first real answer. What a place we have become...

If people are going to suggest Cooper and Anshutz, I might rather go used classic American with a Winchester 52 Sporter or Remington 541S.

Got a couple of old Rem 513 rifles. My Contender is jealous of them.

For target I went really old school. A BSA Martini MKIII. It's fun to keep shooting into the same hole at 50 yards. At 13+ pounds not a field rifle however. Depends on the use and money one wants to spend. Plenty of very good rifles out there.

For accuracy, CZ and Savage are hard to beat. Those two rule in 4-H shooting, anyway. For fun, I like Grandpa’s ol single shot or a Henry.

Had a CZ 455. Beautiful rifle, superb wood and workmanship all around. Then I bought a Ruger American when they came out. 20" barrel version. Better trigger than the CZ, more accurate and accurate with a wider variety of ammo, than the CZ. Already had Ruger 1022s and multiple magazines, same mags work in both rifles.

Sold the CZ for more than I paid for it. Learned to like synthetic stocks and matte metal finishes. The Ruger is D/T'd for scope bases, or use the standard dovetail system. I prefer bases, so mine has Burris Z rings.

Had a Marlin 39A. Also very accurate and fun to shoot, but the Ruger American is a lot lighter to tote. Once had over a dozen 22 rim fire rifles. Now down to a mere five or six.

Not new production, but I'd vote for:

Remington 513T
CZ 452
Marlin 39A

The 513T is a bench gun. I've never shot an Anschutz, but I'd like to.

If you want to spend some cash, check out Cooper.

Winchester 9422 is a very nice lever option if you can find one priced reasonably.

I have a Cooper and a Kimber

Both are fantasic

Walmart

Cz 452 is first choice.

Marlin Model 60, for a semi. Trigger not so nice but accurate and cheap.

Anschutz 1710


Kimber of Oregon Model 82 Cascade.

You may try a single shot like the Thompson/Center Contender.


If you find one of these it will serve you well.It's a model 201 Mauser made in Germany.

If I had the $$$, a Vudoo w/ a TriggerTech, in a Bravo chassis. Topped w/ a Nightforce. Start the ammo search w/ Lapua Center X or S&K. Not gonna happen this week! Anyone need a kidney?
Real world attainable- a Tikka TX1 w/ a SWFA would work just fine.

There's all kinds of beautiful, accurate .22 rifles out there. But they need to have a good night's sleep if they're going to outshoot a $150 Marlin model 795 from Walmart.

Not a good reputation for accuracy, but I like my customized Ruger 77/22. Stainless with walnut stock, Green mountain barrel, sweet trigger, looks great and is accurate, around 3/8 at 50.

Fellow .22 enthusiasts;
Happy Easter to you all, I trust you and yours are well all things considered.

While I don't believe it's "the best", the newest .22 rimfire arm that I've been playing with is a T1X with a 16" barrel.



Here's a sample of 10 shot groups, but only 25yards as it was a windy day.



Again, I doubt it's "the best" but for the price of admission it does seem to want to shoot.

Happy Easter to you all.

Dwayne

The Tikka T1x MTRwould be a good choice.


So would the Steyr Zphyr,if you like a more traditional looking .22 rifle.

I dont think there is a "best" when it comes to 22s. Here's why...
My favorite is a Win 62A pump action that I learned to shoot with, my dad bought it for my mom in 1948, its mine now and will be handed down again.
Next comes my Win 94/22 lever action. I bought one of these for me and each of my sons when they were in 8th grade
Then comes my Ruger 77/22 with Leupold 4x scope, tack driver.
Then, in pistols comes my Colt Woodsman. Huntsman, Ruger Mark 4
Ok....enough

So the OP should be very confused with many great options!

If he is reading, what is the purpose/application and what is your budget? Do you have a preference on type of action and sights?

Just because it is expensive ammo, doesn't mean it is the "best". I always let my rifle tell me which is "best"... This one for example:



Now, if we are talking rifles, then that is a totally different story... Depends on how much the op wants to spend I guess... I hear the Tikka T1x is pretty good, but is it the best? Not hardly... "Best" is very subjective when it comes to rifles and ammo...

My T1 is the best I've ever shot. It beats my CZ 452 American, which is the 2nd most accurate 22 I've shot.

For ammo Federal Match is more accurate in my rifles, but CCI 40 gr MiniMags at $8/100 rounds is a very close contender and what I shoot the most. For the money it is more accurate than I need.

Ammo, SK standard+ and Wolf match, Norma target as well. Many are made by the same company. CCI is the standard, if a rifle or pistol won't shoot CCI standard acceptably and function, something is wrong.

Yep. Hard to beat for the money.

If I was buying a bolt action, then the Ruger American.

And for a lever action, the the little Brownings are fun!

A $496 retail. CZ457 American. I haven't checked, but suspect a $400 street price. Lotta class with a very good reputation for accuracy per dollar. Other barrel/stock options as well.

If someone can post a picture for me I can show you what my T1X will do at 50, 100, and 200 yards. 50 and 100 yards are indoor 200 is shot outside

CZ and be done with it.

2nd vote for more of a beater: Savage and Marlin.

If impressing friends matters, Anschutz or Cooper.

To quote John McEnroe, "You can't be serious!!"

When we did shooting as part of a Boy Scout encampment a few years ago, we shot Federal match which we picked up CCI in Lewiston, ID and it was loaded at the CCI plant. Federal and CCI are all part of the same company.

Fixed it.

That CZ is a nice rifle,especially for the price. $496.00 retail,real world price is less.

https://cdn.cz-usa.com/hammer/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/457American.png

I am until.

Where's your evidence?

This new Steyr Zephyr full stock is on my new years hit list.

Best bang for the buck 10/22. Plus, if you don't like it as is, plenty of after market parts to customize.

I guess it would be 15 years competing in rimfire benchrest matches from local matches to National and World Championships. In our local non-sanctioned matches guys would show up with all types of guns and I never saw a Marlin of any type win one. Remington 541s, CZ 452s, Anshcutz 1700 series, Winchester 52s and Cooper 57ms were the ones that shot the best for factory sporters. You can probably guess which one I shot and won with before moving up to sanctioned matches and full custom rifles.

No,...I can't guess. I'm not from Missouri. But I grew up about 40 miles east of there.

So show me.

That’s a beauty! How much do they run???

Don't get me wrong. I have a HARD ON for Cooper rifles. Have one in .204 Ruger. The only Cooper I own, but wished I owned one in every caliber

But............. Rimfire? Bang for the buck........ I just feel like there are better options.

But I am 100% with you with the Cooper love. The dog in my avatar on this post was named COOPER God bless him.

I personally see very little value in bench shooting anyway and it bores the piss outta me. All of my practice these days is for hunting and since 95% of the shots I take while hunting are done offhand or kneeling, that's what I practice. A rifle doesn't need to be capable of winning a bench match to be perfectly satisfactory for that. I do have a couple of Marlin .22's that will consistently group 5 shots in the 1/2 - 3/4" inch range at 50 yards and they work fine for my practice and small game hunting.

My forum name is Cooper 57M, which is the type of rifle I shot in the local factory sporter matches. My real name is Bill Buskey. See link and look down to 2015 Outdoor Unlimited Nationals. http://www.ir5050.com/archive/

okay

Where's the pics of your groups?

Coopers are pretty bad azzed and known for their inherent accuracy. Kind of like the winchester model 52 back in their day..

I'm not sure.My friend,who was at the Shot Show,told me about this.

I'll hazard a guess that it will retail for about $1,200 to 1,400 .

I should know in a few months when they're readily available.

OMG, I never kept any. I only shot groups when testing ammo or testing new guns that my gunsmith built for myself or other customers. For practice, I shot IR50/50 targets which requires one shot at each of 25 bulls.. A high score on that meant more than group size to me. But, I've shot more one hole 50 yrd groups than you can imagine. I didn't take pictures of them. They wouldn't impress the guys I shot against much, as we all shot plenty of them.

mmmm-hmmmm

I try not to get into these type of discussions much cause what I consider "best" for a rimfire rifle is well beyond what most shooters would even consider. But since the OP asked for opinions for the "best" factory .22 lr, I felt I was qualified to offer up an opinion. Take it for what it's worth. I don't usually challenge shooters who make claims but implying a cheap Marlin could keep up with a real quality rimfire was too much for me to ignore.

Rimfire rifles were a passion of mine for about 20 years with 15 of those being in pretty serious benchrest competitions. I know benchrest may not be everybody's cup of tea, but when you are after the ultimate in rimfire accuracy (as I was) that's where it will take you and there is no better way to test the real accuracy potential of a rifle.

I saw this posted on another board and thought some members here might be interested. Hope this helps some people save some money.

https://www.impactguns.com/bolt-act...stock-10-round-736676083015-8301/#apps47

,...but you never took the first pic of a group you shot?

What about a trophy?

You got a pic of a trophy?

Take a deep breath, hold it......now exhale!

Feel better?

$150 Marlin is the "best" .22lr? Grandad used to say "a fool ain't a fool til he opens his mouth and proves it".
Also used to say " God gave you two ears, two eyes and one mouth for a reason"

The guy who keeps pictures of small one-hole groups is most likely someone who hasn't shot too many of them.

I got the pop corn

With no price point, the Marlin might be the best one. Unlimited budget and most accurate, another animal altogether.

I saw this posted on another board and thought some members here might be interested. Hope this helps some people save some money.

https://www.impactguns.com/bolt-act...stock-10-round-736676083015-8301/#apps47

Yeah, I got pictures of a few trophies. It's getting late. Tomorrow I'll try to figure out how to post them here. If not, give me your email address in a PM and I'll send them to you that way. When I do, I'll expect you to eat some serious crow here. How's that? I'm not a BSer.

I'm not familiar with that name, but I know Annie Oakley shot a Marlin.

I remembered I had already uploaded some pictures to the gallery here. I'm just going link to them. One is a picture of me shooting my Cooper 57M in the early days. Another is of me shooting my custom Turbo Sporter at the 2011 Rimfire World Championships and the picture of the trophies is of again my Turbo Sporter and trophies from the NY State Championship. I have pics from my Nationals 2015 win on my computer and can upload those to the gallery if this isn't enough for ya.

https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbt...s/12525316/rimfire-sporters#Post12525316

Cooper57m's pictures.

I feel humbled. Great shooting!

Ruger precision rimfire 100 yards.

Bristoe?? Bristoe??

Thanks to sportingspecialist for posting the pics.

The top picture is of me shooting at the 2011 World Rimfire Championships held near Charleston SC. This picture appeared in the Charleston Post and Carrier paper, taken by one of their photographers doing an article on the event. The fellow to my left is an Italian shooter and was a real nice guy. To qualify for the US team, I finished 2nd in 2010 (lost by 2Xs) in the 2010 US IR50/50 Nationals (3 gun; Sporter, 10.5 lb and 13.5 lb classes). You'll be all happy to know that Team US cleaned up big time at that World Championship. My sporter rifle in the picture is a Turbo action, Broughton Barrel, Bill Pippin Stock with a Jewell 2 oz. trigger. The rifle was smithed by Gordon Eck of Claryville NY. I still have that rifle, Bill Pippin is no longer with us and it's irreplaceable.

The middle picture is an early one (2002 or 2003), showing me shooting my Cooper 57M at a local benchrest match. Note my equipment got a little more sophisticated as time went on. I love and still have that Cooper. It shot well enough to get me to go to my first benchrest match. I won the sporter class on my first outing. That Cooper won many local matches for me, beating CZs, Win 52 and Anschutz rifles fairly routinely and several custom rifles on occasion. 1st year production Cooper 57M with 2 digit serial #.

The bottom picture is a picture of my custom Turbo Sporter and trophies won at the 2013 IR50/50 NYS & Regional NE Championship. It was a 2 day 12 target event (NY 3 targets @ 50 yd, NY 3 targets@ 50 Meters, Regional 3 targets 50 yd. Regional 3 targets at 50 Meters). The blue target in the middle is 1st place for the 12 target, 2 day event.

Here's a photo of my Custom 2500X 10.5 lb rifle behind my 2015 National Unlimited Plaques including 1st place Overall.

Congratulations, It's nice see folks that can back their talk up, even though they really never ran their mouth. I enjoy bench rest target shooting with a 22 and I've never owned a really good 22 rifle. That's my excuse for not being able to shoot one hole groups and I'm sticking with it.

as usual context is everything. ya marlins are good and anschutz, etc are awesome. but for most guys on a reasonable budget, a great middle of the road option is the ruger 77/22. drop in a $30 dayton traister trigger and toss on as good of a scope as you can afford and it will be a great all around gun. ya it won't be winning any bench rest competitions against $3k guns but it will poke out the eye of a squirrel at 50-75 yards and shoot pop bottle cap sized groups at 50 yards all day with CCI ammo and look good doing it. i have three of them, one each for me and my boys. they can be a little finicky about barrel channel and how much pressure is on the end but a screw driver and/or dremel can fix most minor problems.

That ain't true. My Contenders got a fair number of different barrels. They aren't all .22 RF. One is chambered for shorts.











Want more?

Depending upon the OP's timeframe, I'd probably have to wait and have a look @ the new Christianson Arms offering that they displayed @ SHOT in Jan. I believe they're going to retail ~$800.

I hope the platform does well enough for CA that they decide to offer a 22Mag version as well.......

Indeed, your IQ gives you away Brissie. If can't figure that out, you need help. But then we knew that.

I won't disagree with you at all. There are plenty of good shooting and nice .22s out there, but when someone is asking "what's the best factory .22" and not, what's the best factory .22 for the money, or, under $500 etc. Then, I take it that they are really asking about the best without any caveats. IMO that's Anschutz, Cooper, old Kimbers, old Win 52s and Voodoo Gun Works territory.

I have 3 rifles that shoot bug holes at 50 with 5 shots, and like diff ammo, ely,rws,cci I shoot a Anschutz 1415/16, CZ 452 anerican,and a ruger 10/22,,, Not afraid to shoot with anyone out to 75y ,,,, the thing about .22s is a trigger at 1.5lbs that breaks like glass,and the best optics you can afford

I think Bleiker has overtaken Anschutz in 3-position now. https://www.pardiniguns.com/store/p...98&osCsid=13shbepitnf118khg2g1bc1bi4

As to sporters, the best factory rifle was likely the Dakota rimfire. The New York Kimbers are great handling guns too.

If you are talking silhouette rifles, send the best action you can find to Pharr or McDonald. I think the Stiller action has overtaken the Anschutz and 40x here.
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Bristoe? (crickets) Bristoe?

Hahahahahahaha ouch

That's like an AR14?

harhar!

Wow Lester, that's a great price. My local guy is almost $100 more for that one.

I think for an all around 22 rifle to beat around and kill stuff with on my farm as a kid and still to this day as an adult would have to be some sort of lever action rifle. Whether it be a Marlin, Winchester, Browning, Henry or whatever I just can’t see anything being better for plinking and just plain having some fun! 22s are made to get beat around and used so don’t spend a ton of $$$ on something you wouldn’t want to do that with. Lever action all the way for an all around 22 rifle!

In the used rifle market, the older Remington 581's are generally very accurate. Triggers can be upgraded if desired. Currently selling on GB for anywhere from $160 to $350 depending on condition. Available in Right Hand and Left Hand, if that matters.

I have sold or traded through a number of rimfire rifles over the years, including a couple Anschutz. My only rimfire rifle at the moment is a Left Hand Rem 581...

Laughing.

Nice shooting Bill!

This thread has me considering adding an Anschutz 1710 to my Kimber K22 Classic.

Holy cow manure. Bleiker's are expensive.

CZ 452 and Wolf ammo

Both nice rifles.

just for a decent 22L.R buy a Ruger American,its a bolt rifle ,has a great clip /magazine ,these rifles shoot good for the average person ,otherwise spend alot of money buy what the other reply`s suggested

+1

OP said “best”, no mention of price range or intended use.

I’ve had a Rem 40X Sporter with clip, Kimber of Oregon, Win 52 custom and a Cooper. The Cooper stayed, others went down the road. Cooper is the finest all around .22 LR I’ve ever handled and for a number of reasons. Mine wears a Kahles 2-7 rimfire scope, a perfect match for the rifle.

DF

This ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Bristoe be like out at the truck pulling his single shot Savage, that he hasn't looked at since 2015, out from under the seat and dusting the rust off of it. Getting ready to shoot some 1-hole groups at 200 yards with some 20-year old Remington Golden Bullets.

He'll post pictures as soon as he "git's 'er done".

I've won a fair number of club Factory Class benchrest matches, including an annual aggregate, with that exact combo.

I use an old green Hart rest much like Cooper57's.

Paul

I'd love to add a Yonkers K22 Classic Select to the safe.

Sounds like jmp300wsm just wants to get up to speed on what's available in 22LR rifles and not end up with a dog. Not uncommon for someone to start a thread then dial it in from the original post with some followup posts.

Ain't nothing wrong with that combo (I've recommended it to many) and I never felt the need to upgrade from that Hart rest.

I shoot a NULA .22 that's incredibly accurate....but that's not factory.

No argument that this is "best"d but.....About a month ago I KNEW it was about to hit and decided I better get my Zombie rifle ready. I purchased a laminate/stainless 10/22 carbine...$366 shipped. I picked up a Raven Eye Custom pillar and Marine Tex'd it in (~$12). I trashed the barrel band, dremeled out the barrel channel to free float it, and full length neutral bedded it with Marine Tex....some of the barrel channel is spotty but I'm not to worried about it right now. Put a pic rail on it (got the hollow center but still can't see sights with scope removed) and a 4x Prostaff and started shooting steel with a 1" dot. At 50 yards everything's in the dot for 3 mags (old Tac-22 ammo)....I wasn't expecting that. It could certainly use a new trigger group but for less than $400 (and a little hands-on) and a little time it's tough to beat. I need to put the 10x SWFA on it and see what it will do at 100.

Still need to add a front sling swivel and may hollow the stock a little. ...maybe need to add something for a single point sling for ease of carry when the brain eaters show up....

I like these, to bad they cannot figure out how to make the clip flush with the stock.

Nothing wrong with a Hart rest and a good windage top! I have the same setup - shooting an old Cooper BR-50 rifle from the pre-tuner days. Shoots in the zeros to ones at 50-yards on a good day.

Impressive rifle and great shooting

Just got a Tikka T1x for local long-range (to 300-yards) league matches. So far so good for a <$500 rifle.

yep wished it had a Ruger type clip then i would buy a CZ , i have never understood why many companies build a great rifle with a cheap poorly designed clip ?

I'll be damned .. There are some shooter back on here... Wow... Hat tip.....

I won’t buy a rifle with a magazine that hangs out ... it has to be flush for me or it’s a No Go

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I hear ya. I have a Rem 541THB that had those ugly, cheap plastic magazines. Always ticked me off. There was a fellow who posted at a rimfire forum who made a couple runs of metal magazines for the 580/541 series Remingtons. They weren't cheap (about $70 I believe) and I bought 2 of them just to get rid of the plastic. Even though I don't shoot that rifle much, at least when I pick it up to dust it a couple times a year, it no longer makes my blood boil.

Ah, the older Cooper M36 IR50/50 rifle with the Jewell trigger. - Nice! You know you can most likely add a tuner to that. Contact Harrell Precision and give them your barrel diameter at the muzzle and I'm sure they'll be able to make one for you. I got a Harrell tuner brake for my Ruger American Ranch rifle in 5.56 from them last year. They really do work!

ps the knob on the end of my Turbo Sporter barrel is not an add-on tuner. It is integral with the barrel and is part of the barrel profile. It does act like a tuner (tho it is not adjustable) as the gunsmith tunes the barrel when he makes the rifle by counterboring the crown an inch or so back from the end of the barrel. The weight hanging past the crown changes the barrel's harmonics like an adjustable tuner. The amazing skill and patience it takes the gunsmith to determine how deep to counterbore the muzzle is unbelievable. My gunsmith was a true master at doing that and he never let me watch him do it.

I hear ya. I have a Rem 541THB that had those ugly, cheap plastic magazines. Always ticked me off. There was a fellow who posted at a rimfire forum who made a couple runs of metal magazines for the 580/541 series Remingtons. They weren't cheap (about $70 I believe) and I bought 2 of them just to get rid of the plastic. Even though I don't shoot that rifle much, at least when I pick it up to dust it a couple times a year, it no longer makes my blood boil.
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That guy is John Reed. Nice work. There is another guy that modifies the 511 magazine. Works well. Around 50 bucks.

Ruger 10-22 if you have to have a bunch of add-ons or Marlin 795 or 60 if you want stock and a bit cheaper. Dunno which is "best" but if cost is factored in, it would be hard to beat these for all-around .22's where pinpoint accuracy is not paramount.

Bristoe is out trying to shoot a crow for the barbecue with his Walmart .22.

Yup. That's the guy. Did/does nice work indeed.

I see no one mentioned the TCR 22. I picked up one at Sportsman’s for $269 a while back and I really like it. The Magpul stock feels good, the trigger is decent, I mounted a Leupold Freedom rimfire 2-7 on it and it’s quite accurate. I’m also fond of my “customized” 10/22 takedown.

Those are interesting rifles. Aren’t they in a court battle currently with Ruger over the design?

And not one of them will outshoot my Kidd or CZ 452 American.

We're reading each other's book.

Amen brother! Don't know you but I have no reason to doubt you. Never understood internet bullies.

As most know, 22 rifles can be finicky about which loads they like. Which is why 22 fanatics generally keep a variety of choices.to try in the "next new toy". There was a time when Federal Gold Medal match stuff was pretty good. I have probably at least a dozen or more sorts of ammo on hand, mostly plinking or hunting fodder like Fed. bulk stuff and Mini Mags. Most rifles will shoot Mini Mags fairly well, in my experience.

The most useless 22 ammo I've ever had, is Fed. Champion 40gr. That stuff doesn't shoot worth a damn in anything I've ever owned.

Still have most of a brick of Wolf Match Target. Of the rifles I've owned over the past decade or so, the only one that really shines with it, is a 1022 w/A&B .920 barrel. The CZ 455 I had, didn't take to it at all. Don't even recall what it did like, other than CCI Standard Velocity?. Have some RWS target rifle and Hornady Tac 22 that does well in one or two rifles.

If anyone remembers the Romanian M1969 trainers, we have a bunch of them at our club, for youth programs and the occasional NWTF/WITO program. My own personal clunker likes WW Wildcats more than anything else I've ever shot in it. 1/2" groups at 50 yards is the norm. Not bad for cheap ammo and a $60 rifle?

One of the more dedicated 22 shooters at our club, got a mess of CMP's Eley Club. That stuff works pretty good in one of his old M52 Winnies. He's out there multiple times per week at the 100 yard range, usually with a half dozen 22 rifles.

Nice shootin' fellas!

I have been buying 22 rifles for 57 years now.
But Amazon will ship a 22 cal pellet gun with suppressor. They can be handy in garden.

Christensen Arms has 22 rim fire now .
Just throwing it out there

Now they sell it in the 100ct. slide-top boxes only, and it's not nearly as good as the old silver boxes, which was usually pretty good.

It clearly says "Power Point" on the boxes, to show it's different than the usual SuperX loads, but you still have to be careful when picking some up.

I've tried some of it, but it was pretty poor, a far, far cry from the olden days of twenty years ago.

That "poorly designed clip" is twice as smooth as even the Ruger rotary magazines, and holds up better, and is easier to load. If it was so poor, then why does Steyr buy them and use them in their new Zephyr II rifles? For that matter, the new Australian Lithgow, another top quality rifle, use the same magazines from that same source?

Anschutz

They still suck if they aren’t flush! Pretty simple really

If I was buying a .22 rimfire today it would be a CZ and I'd feed it Aguila ammo.

Lots of folk love CZ. They shoot well, but IMO are rough and have schit triggers. At least the 452’s.

I prefer Tikka t1x if your talking modern less expensive bolt guns. Above that I’d save some more money and go Voodoo.

Marlin levers are very nice.

Lots of new semi rifles under $500. Haven’t shot many of them though.

My favorite is an old Favorite. Hard to beat for schits and giggles around the yard!

Jmp300wsm: I will divide your question into 2 (two) categories: Best value in an all-around 22 L.R. Rifle and "BEST" 22 L.R. Rifle these days.
Answers:

#1: Best value "all-around" in a Rifle + Ruger American Rimfire Varmint!

#2: Best 22 L.R. Rifle = Sako P94S Varmint!

Best of luck in your search if you are looking.
Hold into the wind
VarmintGuy

I heard pretty much the same words from a guy who was a national BR shooter with a couple of national titles when I lived in West Texas in the 1980's. He owned a shooting specialty warehouse/shop and sold almost exclusively to other BR shooters even though his doors were open to anyone. High dollars stuff for the most part but like a candy store for many people. The business was Fowler Shooters Supply and it was on the north side of the Odessa Midland Highway about half way between the two towns. He sold actions, barrels, stocks, scopes, bullets, and many other things that catered to the BR shooter at the time.

His similar response to cooper57's reply to Bristoe was to a guy who came in there one day while I was there and asked if his "stuff" was so good at his prices, why didn't he have targets of how well the "stuff" worked on the walls............. As he was looking at a trophy case full of BR shooting trophies that belonged to the shop owner.

The owner's name was Jeff Fowler and he is no longer with us. He had moved back east from where he originally came from - IIRC, maybe North Carolina - and he died there. He divorced his alky wife and she got the business but rapidly ran it into the ground. Jeff sold high-grade bullets and possibly other things too to other BR shooters for years before his death.

http://benchrest.com/showthread.php?52372-The-New-Fowler-Bullets

I'm going to buy me an affordable take down - probably an AR-7 , maybe a 64F.

not interested in bench shooting groups with it. Its a backpack gun.

I've read about the Marlin Papoose? but I can't find any, AR-7's are everywhere for $230 - whatever I end up getting, I'm sure it will meet my needs for a 22

I've not heard good things about the AR-7. They can be very finicky.

Yes I do, several in fact. The .22 "reloads", those are fresh cases manufactured by somebody to accept centerfire primers correct? Doesn't the rifle have to be modified to a centerfire firing pin? I assume one couldn't do this to just any 22 rimfire rifle.
What powder do you use in those? Thanks

Cool rifle btw...

I haven't seen Weatherby XXII's mentioned. I have one that I have never fired, I hope it's not a turd in the accuracy department.

they do have a reputation for not doing well with certain types of ammo

Have owned all the CZ 452 variants , superexclusive and Scout were two best shooters I had of the lot . Squerril hunting , they are everything you could want without breaking the bank .
The American and the Varmint did not impress me , the trainer was a close third but not up to the SE .
Have owned several models of Anshultz , Didn't pan out for me . But have seen some some that was smoking accurate , same with the 57 Cooper classic , some were hammers , some ok .
Ammunition lots figure big into consistent extreme accuracy .
The marlin Model 60 will kill as many squerills as you want to skin , won't win any serious matches ,, but this information is for all purposes the OP might be considering .
But as for hunting, there are a lot of rifles out there that will slay the bushytail , doing it regular is a matter of carrying , plinking , target shooting from all sorts of positions . A man that shoots often is likely to have success with a slew of rifles , get out there , handle them , shoot them , see what suits your fancy . One good thing about unsanctioned matches , especially were barrels no bigger than a dime at the crown are allowed , you will get see and maybe even shoot a lot that picks your interest .
Kenneth

Pass the Henry Golden Boy and stfu......

For just an all purpose squirrel wacker, it's a 10/22 world. I've had more accurate 22's but my little 10/22 carbine has been my go to squirrel rifle since 1987, when it was new and I was 12.

I've tried "upgrading" but it just doesn't "feel" right to be carrying something else. I'll keep using it until they bury me with it or I pass it down to a grandkid somewhere down the line(and that better be a WAYS down the line, my kids are all pretty young AFAIK).

Cotis,

Yes, fresh manufacture and used many times.

The T/C Contender has a selector on the hammer which allows CF or RF use.

I’ve used a variety of powders such as Bullseye, 700X, Red Dot etc. Average load is .8-.9 grain. for ballpark 1000-1050 FPS.

It has also been utilized in a 10/22 with a modified bolt...successfully.

For what?
Target shooting, benchrest, shooting critters, plinking with the kids?
There is one for whatever you want to do.
Cost is the decider

I had the bolt action version of the Weatherby Mark XXII, it featured an Anschutz 64 barreled action in a beautiful Weatherby style high gloss stock. I shot it very little but it shot exceptionally well when I did.
I had the factory box, target and extra magazine. I ended up selling it because I have a hard time keeping nice things nice, I felt it was too nice to use after I put a slight ding in the stock.

Nothing wrong at all with the $160 NIB blued steel and wood stock Marlin Model 60 I picked up a couple of weeks back, its at least as accurate than I can hold, and .22 rifles are SUPPOSED to feed out of a tubular magazine, ya never know when a squirrel or tin can is gonna need 14 rounds rapid -fire to put it down.

Come to think of it, a tube-fed Marlin Mod 60 in .375 H&H might be just the thing for Cape Buffalo, if they made such a thing.

Like to hear how the MM's group in those rifles, good hunting ammo, also have you tried std. velocity CCI and Blazer by chance?

Re: the Marlins - I had a couple of semi's - a 795 that had a clip and heavy barrel, shot VERY well. Other was a cheap 75C, tube fed carbine styled after the model 60. Both shot very well. Dropped a blackbird on the wing with the 75C, witnesses. Told my son to remember that, he will probably never see that again!

My local gun guy has several boxes on the shelf. But, they have been there for a while. A long while.

kwg

Hey Bristoe, where did ya go?? Bristoe?

Atta boy.......Shoot what you like.

I think a Ruger 77/22 is damn good all ‘round 22 rifle

The Winchester Power Points were made in Australia, best 22 ammo you could get for hunting due to it’s greater expansion
It is no longer being made

For a factory rifle the Ruger 77/22 is , in my opinion, is at or near the top.

I concur.

Then why do we have one shaft and two balls?

It is a rifle I like a lot

A Brno Model 1 is a thing of beauty and probably the nicest pointing 22 I have ever used

They are really nice.

I'd rethink that.

I don't know for sure, but I don't think the Papoose is made anymore. I read it on here in the past few days. I've got a Ruger 10-22 Takedown that came with a padded case that holds the gun and several mags. It has backpack straps and is pretty neat. In fact, I had two of them until I gave my son one for his birthday. IIRC they come with two Ruger twenty-five round mags.

I'm not sure where the OP was going exactly, and I am not a group shooter.

But IME a CZ 455 or Ruger 77/22 is going to get a whole lot of mileage and will be more accurate than most can hold in day-to-day shooting schit.

Both of these rifles have seen thousands upon thousands of rounds in the field on live targets. If they are aimed at something there is a good chance it is gonna die.



CZ 455 American Suppressor Ready is a killing machine. Minor trigger work and nothing else.





Ruger 77/22 with bedding and some minor trigger work is flat out deadly.

A much safer bet.

Trip the banana mags and get some 10 round factory.

LOL

I hope he like the pics he begged for.

^^^This^^^

If I was buying a “takedown” .22 LR, it would be the Ruger 10-22 Backpacker Model. The AR-7 is a POS, IMO.

I've only been around and used one of those TCR's but I was impressed.

Ruger is gonna have to stay ahead of that. Smart move on S&W's part.

Oh. A Marlin 39 ain’t too shabby .

Marlin does still make a variation of the Papoose. It's the 70PPS.

It makes no sense to me but to each their own.

I WANT a 10/22 TD

I do like the 39's.

But after owning a BL22, they kinda feel like a POS.

Fugkin' buy one.

Ain't exactly a hen's tooth.

Browning makes a lot of sweet s.hit

Mine shoots better than I expected.

I know. I see the price and I’m like f.uck that I got a regular 10/22

Any love for a Remington 572? They are alright. A Marlin 39 runs ellipses around it.

Take-down man! SHTF and you can... yeah, I see what you mean.

They do.

Their rimfires have to be used to be appreciated.

I sold a SA-22 when I moved and I need to replace it.

Speaking of which...

If you want a takedown. Look at those SA-22's. LOL

Vote for best that I’ve seen....marlin 39, Remington nylon 66, cz 452, cz 455, old Winchester’s are tough to beat...52, 69 etc

😂

WTF is that?
Edit: googled it . They are sweet like most Brownings

Tbolt? I got gifted a Belgium one

I have never used a T-bolt but I've come oh so close to buying one of the new versions.

It’s a Browning. Buy it

Is this a good deal?

https://www.scheels.com/p/ruger-ame...-rifle/73667608301.html?cgid=guns-rifles

Believe it or not, the new ones are probably better than the Belgian 22lr rifles.

Decent. The LGS I frequent has sent a few back. They claim they're OK rifles overall.

I've seen them advertised as low as $190. I bought one a year or two ago for the girls and they choot the heck out of it with open sights. I prefer my 77/22 but the American is cheap and good so far.

spice of life and all that

I've got a 10/22 and a variety of Winchesters. If I hate it I'll sell it for $20 less than I paid for it and move on to the next

eh, I'm kidding, I don't sell guns, It will just get stuck in the back of the safe

This thread makes me laugh (in a good way). From a super vague question with no real parameters we get recommendations for everything from $150 Walmart Specials to multi-thousand $ guns from the custom shops. At least we now know it could be a lever, semi-auto, or bolt. And needs to be somewhat accurate.

Reminds me of some of the requests I get at work. "Whats it going to cost to make X product?". They then get all bug-eyed when you ask the 2,000 follow up questions that go into costing that out.

Talking guns on Easter Sunday is always time well spent.

Especially when Easter is canceled.

Most folks live thirty miles or less from a Walmart. And you can go into said Walmart and usually walk out with one of probably at least three serviceable .22's that will do the job for you for $300 or less. That's pretty decent. Things are so jumpy nowadays that who knows if the same Walmart will have 22 ammo for the gun, but the last time I looked and bought some, they sure did. Plenty of it.

22's are great.

Cannot argue on the CZ and 77/22 recommendations.

Had a variety, don't miss my 10/22, but put a Butler Creek with a CPC re-fit, chamber set back on the 77/22....using 'Aussie' made WW PP's, it dumps a mag into a itty bitty 50 yd group.....

Deflave I agree on the BL22........dang if Browning could loosen up on their triggers!

Many great options out there.....if the OP is reading, I asked what is your purpose of this next 22.........and do you have a preference on action type?

He did follow up with "lever, semi-auto, or bolt gun, fairly accurate". No budget or purpose given, yet.

my first gun. Saturday and a box of shells on the creek - you didn't see me again for the rest of the day

Could be the Olympics or tin cans at the dump.

Thanks folks, I missed it.

KFWA - I was determined that day to have my grandfather smile down....I'm sure he did

It put meat on the table...back in the day!