as I watch our country, through all this one thing has stuck out to me. We are all only as free as our neighbors and people we live around demand or give up. I frankly can't believe what I am actually seeing happen. We have been sold a phony bill of goods. I thought the whole stay at home orders were done so the hospitals could get ready, supplies could be ordered, and the virus could be dealt with medically. The fact is the virus isn't going away, So staying on lock down will only perpetuate the inevitable. until we have a vaccine or herd immunity this isn't going away and we are only delaying what will happen. Meanwhile the hospitals in my area are laying off staff, handing out pay cuts and are ghost towns. having things closed down is unsustainable, yet we continue to be closed. We get no information on cases that are no longer active, only additional cases.
Right. We've been had.
Haven’t seen enough evidence to say one way of the other as of yet . A lot of people are scared shietless, a lot of us are still working everyday , business as usual .
I am leaning toward this thing being B.S. , but know nothing about plaques as to how long it takes to see wide spread infections .
But if it is as contagious and as deadly as they claim , seems we would all be seeing it firsthand by now and not just the occasional case here and there as I can tell you NOVA is still pretty active with people working and moving about .
On telling factor I soon figure to see is we had several crews of men go up north several states a week ago and they had to travel through N.Y.
So I figure if these guys return healthy in a couple of weeks , it would show the panic to be nothing more than that , panic and robbery of our economy and freedoms .
Kenneth
I am leaning toward this thing being B.S. , but know nothing about plaques as to how long it takes to see wide spread infections .
But if it is as contagious and as deadly as they claim , seems we would all be seeing it firsthand by now and not just the occasional case here and there as I can tell you NOVA is still pretty active with people working and moving about .
On telling factor I soon figure to see is we had several crews of men go up north several states a week ago and they had to travel through N.Y.
So I figure if these guys return healthy in a couple of weeks , it would show the panic to be nothing more than that , panic and robbery of our economy and freedoms .
Kenneth
CC, did you honestly believe that the virus would "go away" as though by a wave of a magic wand? This isn't something merely irritating, like a bad TV commercial. It is in fact a pretty serious disease. It has been greatly overblown, I grant you, but nobody who has had it and survived will tell you it is just an annoyance.
Second, not a single freedom has been taken from us. We are all more or less voluntarily obeying certain recommendations that will in fact end this sooner than otherwise, and I think most people realize that. When this does taper off to an eventual end (sooner than had we behaved otherwise) all these temporary restrictions will end and people will go back to their normal routines - likely forgetting all this happened at all within a few years, attention spans being what they are.
Second, not a single freedom has been taken from us. We are all more or less voluntarily obeying certain recommendations that will in fact end this sooner than otherwise, and I think most people realize that. When this does taper off to an eventual end (sooner than had we behaved otherwise) all these temporary restrictions will end and people will go back to their normal routines - likely forgetting all this happened at all within a few years, attention spans being what they are.
Originally Posted by RockyRaab
CC, did you honestly believe that the virus would "go away" as though by a wave of a magic wand? This isn't something merely irritating, like a bad TV commercial. It is in fact a pretty serious disease. It has been greatly overblown, I grant you, but nobody who has had it and survived will tell you it is just an annoyance.
Second, not a single freedom has been taken from us. We are all more or less voluntarily obeying certain recommendations that will in fact end this sooner than otherwise, and I think most people realize that. When this does taper off to an eventual end (sooner than had we behaved otherwise) all these temporary restrictions will end and people will go back to their normal routines - likely forgetting all this happened at all within a few years, attention spans being what they are.
Second, not a single freedom has been taken from us. We are all more or less voluntarily obeying certain recommendations that will in fact end this sooner than otherwise, and I think most people realize that. When this does taper off to an eventual end (sooner than had we behaved otherwise) all these temporary restrictions will end and people will go back to their normal routines - likely forgetting all this happened at all within a few years, attention spans being what they are.
Best post!
Originally Posted by cumminscowboy
We are all only as free as our neighbors and people we live around demand or give up
Other than posting here, what are you doing to demand more freedom?
I'll second that...
Well put, Rocky.
Originally Posted by RockyRaab
We are all more or less voluntarily obeying certain recommendations
More or less voluntarily?
https:/
While we have not yet technically "lost" anything yet, the willingness of the politicians, especially those on the left, to lean in and start dictating what we can and cannot do is telling. Use the fine example of the governor in Michigan.
On another thread in the past couple days, someone cited an incident where Stalin (?) plucked a chicken alive, put it on the ground, started dropping bits of feed, and the chicken continued to follow Stalin looking for the food. A very fitting analogy of how many Americans are thinking and acting today. Literally, millions of people have been stripped of they livelyhood by government fiat, yet are cheering that the government "gave them" $1200 of their own money back...
While the attention span of the masses may soon forget this episode after this storm has passed, I do not think that the left and the socialists will forget how easy it was to take control. I see rough seas in the future that have nothing to do with Covid...
On another thread in the past couple days, someone cited an incident where Stalin (?) plucked a chicken alive, put it on the ground, started dropping bits of feed, and the chicken continued to follow Stalin looking for the food. A very fitting analogy of how many Americans are thinking and acting today. Literally, millions of people have been stripped of they livelyhood by government fiat, yet are cheering that the government "gave them" $1200 of their own money back...
While the attention span of the masses may soon forget this episode after this storm has passed, I do not think that the left and the socialists will forget how easy it was to take control. I see rough seas in the future that have nothing to do with Covid...
Originally Posted by cumminscowboy
as I watch our country, through all this one thing has stuck out to me. We are all only as free as our neighbors and people we live around demand or give up. I frankly can't believe what I am actually seeing happen. We have been sold a phony bill of goods. I thought the whole stay at home orders were done so the hospitals could get ready, supplies could be ordered, and the virus could be dealt with medically. The fact is the virus isn't going away, So staying on lock down will only perpetuate the inevitable. until we have a vaccine or herd immunity this isn't going away and we are only delaying what will happen. Meanwhile the hospitals in my area are laying off staff, handing out pay cuts and are ghost towns. having things closed down is unsustainable, yet we continue to be closed. We get no information on cases that are no longer active, only additional cases.
Ramble mode on: normal stuff as we have all thought about it.
No, I am not surprised.... folks are scared and most still have those sheep like tendencies. They will pull for the team.... for awhile. They want to believe what they are being told, so they go along with the program....for now.
However, I am seeing more and more emotion expressed when I am out and about. Sheep are confused, still compliant but getting restless ....patience is wearing thin and I suspect some level of significant panic is only weeks away. The big hits of unemployment, personal bankruptcy and general business slow down will grind folks up.
Also, I am seeing that a few folks are seething ... they are controlled and seething quietly.....but still seething ....these folk know, or at least strongly suspect we have been lied to and “had.”
My guess is that some percentage of the population .... both sheep and seethers alike are about to show the finger to the powers that be..... some will erupt if things don’t improve. Civil disobedience by June is my guess..... the authorities will not be able deal with it. Think the recent “gilet jeunes” in France. Economic frustration couple with election year anti-Trump hysteria hitting the cities.
Folks I run across also think the little guy is getting screwed and the “banks, big corporations...etc” will either get rich or at least made mostly whole.....while they will not. I have not yet found a single soul that thinks otherwise.... well, a caveat...I have run across some folks that don’t think at all.....
My bet is that the corona virus thing fades and is pretty much gone in 18-24 months but the coming joblessness, bankruptcies and loss of confidence are the greater long term issues. Great inflation coming for sure.
I voted for Trump and will likely do so again, but the herd is getting restless and if he wants to lead, he better get ahead of the coming stampede.
Ramble mode off.
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Originally Posted by UPhiker
Originally Posted by RockyRaab
CC, did you honestly believe that the virus would "go away" as though by a wave of a magic wand? This isn't something merely irritating, like a bad TV commercial. It is in fact a pretty serious disease. It has been greatly overblown, I grant you, but nobody who has had it and survived will tell you it is just an annoyance.
Second, not a single freedom has been taken from us. We are all more or less voluntarily obeying certain recommendations that will in fact end this sooner than otherwise, and I think most people realize that. When this does taper off to an eventual end (sooner than had we behaved otherwise) all these temporary restrictions will end and people will go back to their normal routines - likely forgetting all this happened at all within a few years, attention spans being what they are.
Second, not a single freedom has been taken from us. We are all more or less voluntarily obeying certain recommendations that will in fact end this sooner than otherwise, and I think most people realize that. When this does taper off to an eventual end (sooner than had we behaved otherwise) all these temporary restrictions will end and people will go back to their normal routines - likely forgetting all this happened at all within a few years, attention spans being what they are.
Best post!
Have you guys not been harassed by the road agents?
No? Neither have I.
Originally Posted by RockyRaab
CC, did you honestly believe that the virus would "go away" as though by a wave of a magic wand? This isn't something merely irritating, like a bad TV commercial. It is in fact a pretty serious disease. It has been greatly overblown, I grant you, but nobody who has had it and survived will tell you it is just an annoyance.
Second, not a single freedom has been taken from us. We are all more or less voluntarily obeying certain recommendations that will in fact end this sooner than otherwise, and I think most people realize that. When this does taper off to an eventual end (sooner than had we behaved otherwise) all these temporary restrictions will end and people will go back to their normal routines - likely forgetting all this happened at all within a few years, attention spans being what they are.
Second, not a single freedom has been taken from us. We are all more or less voluntarily obeying certain recommendations that will in fact end this sooner than otherwise, and I think most people realize that. When this does taper off to an eventual end (sooner than had we behaved otherwise) all these temporary restrictions will end and people will go back to their normal routines - likely forgetting all this happened at all within a few years, attention spans being what they are.
Except that when things are ceded "temporarily", rarely do those in power return fully those things without a serious fight. Therein is a large problem.
Not only freedoms, but actions like this stimulus check coming out to everyone. I see it as a step to providing UBI which would be an absolute disaster.
As to personally giving up freedoms, I have changed next to nothing in my personal and business life. Exception being those things that are completely out of my control such as no kids' high school sports, delaying some international travel for kids' activities.
Originally Posted by RockyRaab
CC, did you honestly believe that the virus would "go away" as though by a wave of a magic wand? This isn't something merely irritating, like a bad TV commercial. It is in fact a pretty serious disease. It has been greatly overblown, I grant you, but nobody who has had it and survived will tell you it is just an annoyance.
Second, not a single freedom has been taken from us. We are all more or less voluntarily obeying certain recommendations that will in fact end this sooner than otherwise, and I think most people realize that. When this does taper off to an eventual end (sooner than had we behaved otherwise) all these temporary restrictions will end and people will go back to their normal routines - likely forgetting all this happened at all within a few years, attention spans being what they are.
Second, not a single freedom has been taken from us. We are all more or less voluntarily obeying certain recommendations that will in fact end this sooner than otherwise, and I think most people realize that. When this does taper off to an eventual end (sooner than had we behaved otherwise) all these temporary restrictions will end and people will go back to their normal routines - likely forgetting all this happened at all within a few years, attention spans being what they are.
Not true... There was a local male nurse in my area. Late 20's, semi overweight who had it, said it was no big deal and he has recovered.
Originally Posted by agazain
Right. We've been had.
No. When you die from a bioweapon attack, then you've been had.
Originally Posted by RockyRaab
CC, did you honestly believe that the virus would "go away" as though by a wave of a magic wand? This isn't something merely irritating, like a bad TV commercial. It is in fact a pretty serious disease. It has been greatly overblown, I grant you, but nobody who has had it and survived will tell you it is just an annoyance.
Second, not a single freedom has been taken from us. We are all more or less voluntarily obeying certain recommendations that will in fact end this sooner than otherwise, and I think most people realize that. When this does taper off to an eventual end (sooner than had we behaved otherwise) all these temporary restrictions will end and people will go back to their normal routines - likely forgetting all this happened at all within a few years, attention spans being what they are.
Second, not a single freedom has been taken from us. We are all more or less voluntarily obeying certain recommendations that will in fact end this sooner than otherwise, and I think most people realize that. When this does taper off to an eventual end (sooner than had we behaved otherwise) all these temporary restrictions will end and people will go back to their normal routines - likely forgetting all this happened at all within a few years, attention spans being what they are.
I know drs and nurses who are very worried about this virus and people not taking it serious.
Originally Posted by RockyRaab
Second, not a single freedom has been taken from us.
How’s that church thing working out for people??
Originally Posted by jaguartx
Originally Posted by RockyRaab
CC, did you honestly believe that the virus would "go away" as though by a wave of a magic wand? This isn't something merely irritating, like a bad TV commercial. It is in fact a pretty serious disease. It has been greatly overblown, I grant you, but nobody who has had it and survived will tell you it is just an annoyance.
Second, not a single freedom has been taken from us. We are all more or less voluntarily obeying certain recommendations that will in fact end this sooner than otherwise, and I think most people realize that. When this does taper off to an eventual end (sooner than had we behaved otherwise) all these temporary restrictions will end and people will go back to their normal routines - likely forgetting all this happened at all within a few years, attention spans being what they are.
Second, not a single freedom has been taken from us. We are all more or less voluntarily obeying certain recommendations that will in fact end this sooner than otherwise, and I think most people realize that. When this does taper off to an eventual end (sooner than had we behaved otherwise) all these temporary restrictions will end and people will go back to their normal routines - likely forgetting all this happened at all within a few years, attention spans being what they are.
I know drs and nurses who are very worried about this virus and people not taking it serious.
I know nurses who think it’s overhyped.
Originally Posted by Orion2000
While we have not yet technically "lost" anything yet, the willingness of the politicians, especially those on the left, to lean in and start dictating what we can and cannot do is telling. Use the fine example of the governor in Michigan.
On another thread in the past couple days, someone cited an incident where Stalin (?) plucked a chicken alive, put it on the ground, started dropping bits of feed, and the chicken continued to follow Stalin looking for the food. A very fitting analogy of how many Americans are thinking and acting today. Literally, millions of people have been stripped of they livelyhood by government fiat, yet are cheering that the government "gave them" $1200 of their own money back...
On another thread in the past couple days, someone cited an incident where Stalin (?) plucked a chicken alive, put it on the ground, started dropping bits of feed, and the chicken continued to follow Stalin looking for the food. A very fitting analogy of how many Americans are thinking and acting today. Literally, millions of people have been stripped of they livelyhood by government fiat, yet are cheering that the government "gave them" $1200 of their own money back...
How much money did the dimocraps give back.
I wonder how many in the black plague and 1917 flu epidemic griped about being stripped of their job a month or two.
Originally Posted by SAcharlie
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By far your most coherent post ever!
Democrats are working furiously to Federalize our elections using CCP Flu as the excuse. If successful, it’s all over but the sad singing and slow driving for this Nation.
Glad to hear.
Originally Posted by 280shooter
Originally Posted by SAcharlie
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By far your most coherent post ever!
First time she ever thought about what she was saying.
Cumminscowboy: I am of the opinion that I have not given up ANY of my rights on a permanent basis!
Are you troubled by paranoia at times?
The powers that be tell me I can't go inside my church in large groups for the short term - and that is asked to save my and many others lives - thats not "giving up freedoms" that is using common sense.
I am sure that in 3 or 6 or 9 months this Wuhan Red Death will be contained and everyone can go back to church.
No one is telling you that you have to "give up your right to worship" you are just being asked not to do so for as short an amount of time as this pandemic can be contained.
Let me know if President Donald J. Trump bans your church permanently or burns it down - I'll be right there with you to throw him out of office - one way or another.
I have been told they have pills to counter-act paranoia.
Hold into the wind
VarmintGuy
Are you troubled by paranoia at times?
The powers that be tell me I can't go inside my church in large groups for the short term - and that is asked to save my and many others lives - thats not "giving up freedoms" that is using common sense.
I am sure that in 3 or 6 or 9 months this Wuhan Red Death will be contained and everyone can go back to church.
No one is telling you that you have to "give up your right to worship" you are just being asked not to do so for as short an amount of time as this pandemic can be contained.
Let me know if President Donald J. Trump bans your church permanently or burns it down - I'll be right there with you to throw him out of office - one way or another.
I have been told they have pills to counter-act paranoia.
Hold into the wind
VarmintGuy
Originally Posted by RockyRaab
We are all more or less voluntarily obeying certain recommendations
You're not serious concerning this statement are you???? If you are, maybe you should keep your post to your local knowledge because in PA, they are forcing businesses to close. You are not allowed to operate your restaurant if you own one. It has to be take out only. Bars are closed too. If you own a residential remodeling or new construction business, you are not allowed to operate that either. I know, I own one. So essentially they are forcing people to go broke.... nobody is voluntarily following those recommendations they are being forced to by being threatened with fines and losing their operating licenses. Yes, I know people that have been told by local authorities to go home and not come back to the jobsite or they would be fined and lose their license. So as rent, equipment payments etc keep coming in and can't be paid, those people are being forced into bad credit, and possibly bankruptcy.
What I'm not surprised about is the hue and cry about our freedoms being given up.
Surprised? Heck no. Look at all the folks merely on this board just stumbling over themselves to support all the lockdown orders.
Disgusting.
Disgusting.
Originally Posted by bobinpa
Originally Posted by RockyRaab
We are all more or less voluntarily obeying certain recommendations
You're not serious concerning this statement are you???? If you are, maybe you should keep your post to your local knowledge because in PA, they are forcing businesses to close. You are not allowed to operate your restaurant if you own one. It has to be take out only. Bars are closed too. If you own a residential remodeling or new construction business, you are not allowed to operate that either. I know, I own one. So essentially they are forcing people to go broke.... nobody is voluntarily following those recommendations they are being forced to by being threatened with fines and losing their operating licenses. Yes, I know people that have been told by local authorities to go home and not come back to the jobsite or they would be fined and lose their license. So as rent, equipment payments etc keep coming in and can't be paid, those people are being forced into bad credit, and possibly bankruptcy.
Yep, no construction companies allowed to operate here. I need a metal roof put on one of my sheds... can't get anyone to do it.
Being retired, I've given up nothing in the recent past. Still going wherever and doing whatever I wish.
I haven't really changed my lifestyle. Not gonna.
Now I know alot of sheep that are cowering because our bitch gov said to cower.
Each to there own I guess. The way the feds are dropping casualty numbers, pretty soon it will be like a typical weekend in Chicago.
Now I know alot of sheep that are cowering because our bitch gov said to cower.
Each to there own I guess. The way the feds are dropping casualty numbers, pretty soon it will be like a typical weekend in Chicago.
surprised some of the comments here. utah is one of the most free states during this whole deal but I am still bugged by it all. some of you guys here aren't even aware of the rights being taken away.
1) freedom of assembly has been taken away, gatherings over 10 can be penalized with a fine
2) freedom of religion has been taken away. you can't gather so you can't worship
3) certain businesses are deemed as essential and non essential, so if you have a hair salon you are F'd if you own a sit down resturant you are losing your livlihood
4) public lands are largely closed to camping, to that I say WTF??!? being on public lands is the ultimate social distancing
5) the government has said you can't evict a tenant right now, that is interference with a business and contractual relationship, and by extension property rights
6) the government has bestowed squatters rights on tenants for land lords.
7) the governor and counties in my area are using disaster declarations, which are designed for natural disasters to taken sweeping power all to themselves. They could easily consult with other elected bodies but instead are taking on the role of a dictator
so there goes I just "edumicated" some folks around here who have not even realized what has been taken from them without a shot. I think most people agreed to some voluntary measures with the notion that the hospitals, medical supplies and readiness for the hospitals being geared up to handle things. in my area hospitals are a ghost town, hospital staff or laid off and or getting pay cuts. The hospitals are going broke. We can't stop the virus short of a vaccine or herd immunity. That means what ever measures are taken now are just a delay. What is the end game. a shut down is unsustainable. I am also keenly aware and believe the government wants to use this chance to make the country more socialist. democrats have even admitted it. I think democrats would shut the country down for 18 months if they could
so what am I saying. I want to see wide spread protests. I want to see people say we are not taking it anymore, open back up NOW!!!
1) freedom of assembly has been taken away, gatherings over 10 can be penalized with a fine
2) freedom of religion has been taken away. you can't gather so you can't worship
3) certain businesses are deemed as essential and non essential, so if you have a hair salon you are F'd if you own a sit down resturant you are losing your livlihood
4) public lands are largely closed to camping, to that I say WTF??!? being on public lands is the ultimate social distancing
5) the government has said you can't evict a tenant right now, that is interference with a business and contractual relationship, and by extension property rights
6) the government has bestowed squatters rights on tenants for land lords.
7) the governor and counties in my area are using disaster declarations, which are designed for natural disasters to taken sweeping power all to themselves. They could easily consult with other elected bodies but instead are taking on the role of a dictator
so there goes I just "edumicated" some folks around here who have not even realized what has been taken from them without a shot. I think most people agreed to some voluntary measures with the notion that the hospitals, medical supplies and readiness for the hospitals being geared up to handle things. in my area hospitals are a ghost town, hospital staff or laid off and or getting pay cuts. The hospitals are going broke. We can't stop the virus short of a vaccine or herd immunity. That means what ever measures are taken now are just a delay. What is the end game. a shut down is unsustainable. I am also keenly aware and believe the government wants to use this chance to make the country more socialist. democrats have even admitted it. I think democrats would shut the country down for 18 months if they could
so what am I saying. I want to see wide spread protests. I want to see people say we are not taking it anymore, open back up NOW!!!
Originally Posted by bobinpa
Originally Posted by RockyRaab
We are all more or less voluntarily obeying certain recommendations
You're not serious concerning this statement are you???? If you are, maybe you should keep your post to your local knowledge because in PA, they are forcing businesses to close. You are not allowed to operate your restaurant if you own one. It has to be take out only. Bars are closed too. If you own a residential remodeling or new construction business, you are not allowed to operate that either. I know, I own one. So essentially they are forcing people to go broke.... nobody is voluntarily following those recommendations they are being forced to by being threatened with fines and losing their operating licenses. Yes, I know people that have been told by local authorities to go home and not come back to the jobsite or they would be fined and lose their license. So as rent, equipment payments etc keep coming in and can't be paid, those people are being forced into bad credit, and possibly bankruptcy.
State Police went to a ready mix concrete plant in Wysox Pa. and stopped all the trucks. If the job they were going to did not have an exemption to work they were not allowed to leave the plant. How in the fugk is a concrete truck driver more susceptible to spreading the virus than a cashier at a convenience store?
I thought they let construction go on as “essential”. (Concrete trucks) this is getting ridiculous
Originally Posted by UPhiker
Originally Posted by RockyRaab
CC, did you honestly believe that the virus would "go away" as though by a wave of a magic wand? This isn't something merely irritating, like a bad TV commercial. It is in fact a pretty serious disease. It has been greatly overblown, I grant you, but nobody who has had it and survived will tell you it is just an annoyance.
Second, not a single freedom has been taken from us. We are all more or less voluntarily obeying certain recommendations that will in fact end this sooner than otherwise, and I think most people realize that. When this does taper off to an eventual end (sooner than had we behaved otherwise) all these temporary restrictions will end and people will go back to their normal routines - likely forgetting all this happened at all within a few years, attention spans being what they are.
Second, not a single freedom has been taken from us. We are all more or less voluntarily obeying certain recommendations that will in fact end this sooner than otherwise, and I think most people realize that. When this does taper off to an eventual end (sooner than had we behaved otherwise) all these temporary restrictions will end and people will go back to their normal routines - likely forgetting all this happened at all within a few years, attention spans being what they are.
Best post!
Rocky, I respectfully disagree. We have been tested as to how much we will tolerate in regards to our freedoms and rights being abused. While we indeed get most back, we will not get all! We have incrementally been losing our rights since Wilson’s presidency....exponentially so this past month. Again, this was a test.....a preview of what is to come!
To answer the OP’s question, the only thing that surprised me was the percentage of older Americans were so willing to give up their freedoms.....for the sake of possible safety. We were warned many years ago about this! memtb
Honestly think alot of these people including ones on here are going along with these restrictions because many of them are of the age or have the underlying health conditions that put them in an "enhanced risk group". So because of that they are scared for themselves so screw everyone elses rights
Originally Posted by marktheshark
Honestly think alot of these people including ones on here are going along with these restrictions because many of them are of the age or have the underlying health conditions that put them in an "enhanced risk group". So because of that they are scared for themselves so screw everyone elses rights
You just “nailed it”! Screw your kids and your grandkids, just for personal security! That’s thinking long term..... to hell with the future of your family! I’m amazed and ashamed of many of my generation and not at all surprised with the younger generations response! memtb
I've been against this shelter in place BS from the get go but how does one person make a difference? We were told to shut the restaurants down and business was dropping off because folks were scared and not going out to eat or drink anyway. I figure I had nothing to loose besides money and maybe the shelter in place will save a few lives. But it's time to get to work, I'm retired but depend on working folks to pay their rent and lease for my retirement income. I don't get a government check so sitting back and sucking it up is really starting to suck.
I am not surprised. It became crystal clear to me some years ago that there will be no widespread resistance to socialism in this country. The children are indoctrinated by it from kindergarten on, merely the attendance of a public school is showing them the government knows more than their parents.
The parents accept it in the form of the earned income tax credit payments, subsidized meals for their children at the public school, and often the various forms of welfare they are receiving. Those who do work and pay their own bills still will not say to hell with the job, house and car to go fight for liberty, because that job is how they keep the house and car they do not own. They are in debt, and can do nothing else but go to work and pay the taxes unless they plan to starve their family and leave them homeless.
The older folks, as has already been stated, will not fight, because that medicine that keeps them alive comes from government subsidized sources, and the government check they get pays the bills. Not to mention, walking more than a mile is taxing for most, forget running any place to fight or to flee. The few of us who could actually financially absorb a limited time without income or government payments and who are healthy enough and willing to fight, will not start it because we know we are too few to fight the half or more of the country that will fight to keep the checks coming.
So what we all get is dwindling liberty, and an eventual final stand all by ourselves, because when the leviathan comes for a man, and it is fight or submit, and he chooses to fight, he will do it alone, because all his fellows will be cowering in their houses, hoping to escape attention until the beast has been satiated. Personally, I will die laughing like a maniac at those folks, knowing that cowardice will save no man because the beast is never
satiated, never tires, and will come for them soon enough. And when it does, they too will be alone, because any of us who would have run to fight with them will already be long gone.
I am not afraid of dying. I am afraid of dying poorly. In my boots, holding a smoking gun and a bloody blade, with the blood of my enemies on my teeth, is dying well. On my knees is dying poorly. My peace is made, I will not be dying poorly. Nor easily, God willing. The beast can kill any man who fights alone. But the man who fights alone and knows he is already dead can lay a hurt on whatever is chewing on him while he goes. I intend to do just that. Besides, one needs as many slaves as possible to row his boat across the river to Valhalla...🗡
The parents accept it in the form of the earned income tax credit payments, subsidized meals for their children at the public school, and often the various forms of welfare they are receiving. Those who do work and pay their own bills still will not say to hell with the job, house and car to go fight for liberty, because that job is how they keep the house and car they do not own. They are in debt, and can do nothing else but go to work and pay the taxes unless they plan to starve their family and leave them homeless.
The older folks, as has already been stated, will not fight, because that medicine that keeps them alive comes from government subsidized sources, and the government check they get pays the bills. Not to mention, walking more than a mile is taxing for most, forget running any place to fight or to flee. The few of us who could actually financially absorb a limited time without income or government payments and who are healthy enough and willing to fight, will not start it because we know we are too few to fight the half or more of the country that will fight to keep the checks coming.
So what we all get is dwindling liberty, and an eventual final stand all by ourselves, because when the leviathan comes for a man, and it is fight or submit, and he chooses to fight, he will do it alone, because all his fellows will be cowering in their houses, hoping to escape attention until the beast has been satiated. Personally, I will die laughing like a maniac at those folks, knowing that cowardice will save no man because the beast is never
satiated, never tires, and will come for them soon enough. And when it does, they too will be alone, because any of us who would have run to fight with them will already be long gone.
I am not afraid of dying. I am afraid of dying poorly. In my boots, holding a smoking gun and a bloody blade, with the blood of my enemies on my teeth, is dying well. On my knees is dying poorly. My peace is made, I will not be dying poorly. Nor easily, God willing. The beast can kill any man who fights alone. But the man who fights alone and knows he is already dead can lay a hurt on whatever is chewing on him while he goes. I intend to do just that. Besides, one needs as many slaves as possible to row his boat across the river to Valhalla...🗡
Originally Posted by alwaysoutdoors
I thought they let construction go on as “essential”. (Concrete trucks) this is getting ridiculous
Ready mix in Pa. is essential, but they closed the construction sites. A homeowner can't pour sidewalks on his own property unless they have a state exemption.
Originally Posted by VarmintGuy
Cumminscowboy: I am of the opinion that I have not given up ANY of my rights on a permanent basis!
Are you troubled by paranoia at times?
The powers that be tell me I can't go inside my church in large groups for the short term - and that is asked to save my and many others lives - thats not "giving up freedoms" that is using common sense.
I am sure that in 3 or 6 or 9 months this Wuhan Red Death will be contained and everyone can go back to church.
No one is telling you that you have to "give up your right to worship" you are just being asked not to do so for as short an amount of time as this pandemic can be contained.
Let me know if President Donald J. Trump bans your church permanently or burns it down - I'll be right there with you to throw him out of office - one way or another.
I have been told they have pills to counter-act paranoia.
Hold into the wind
VarmintGuy
Are you troubled by paranoia at times?
The powers that be tell me I can't go inside my church in large groups for the short term - and that is asked to save my and many others lives - thats not "giving up freedoms" that is using common sense.
I am sure that in 3 or 6 or 9 months this Wuhan Red Death will be contained and everyone can go back to church.
No one is telling you that you have to "give up your right to worship" you are just being asked not to do so for as short an amount of time as this pandemic can be contained.
Let me know if President Donald J. Trump bans your church permanently or burns it down - I'll be right there with you to throw him out of office - one way or another.
I have been told they have pills to counter-act paranoia.
Hold into the wind
VarmintGuy
Cool so you don’t mind handing over your firearms for a couple months cause you know it will save many others..
Originally Posted by Pat85
Originally Posted by alwaysoutdoors
I thought they let construction go on as “essential”. (Concrete trucks) this is getting ridiculous
Ready mix in Pa. is essential, but they closed the construction sites. A homeowner can't pour sidewalks on his own property unless they have a state exemption.
That’s ghay
Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad
Originally Posted by UPhiker
Originally Posted by RockyRaab
CC, did you honestly believe that the virus would "go away" as though by a wave of a magic wand? This isn't something merely irritating, like a bad TV commercial. It is in fact a pretty serious disease. It has been greatly overblown, I grant you, but nobody who has had it and survived will tell you it is just an annoyance.
Second, not a single freedom has been taken from us. We are all more or less voluntarily obeying certain recommendations that will in fact end this sooner than otherwise, and I think most people realize that. When this does taper off to an eventual end (sooner than had we behaved otherwise) all these temporary restrictions will end and people will go back to their normal routines - likely forgetting all this happened at all within a few years, attention spans being what they are.
Second, not a single freedom has been taken from us. We are all more or less voluntarily obeying certain recommendations that will in fact end this sooner than otherwise, and I think most people realize that. When this does taper off to an eventual end (sooner than had we behaved otherwise) all these temporary restrictions will end and people will go back to their normal routines - likely forgetting all this happened at all within a few years, attention spans being what they are.
Best post!
Have you guys not been harassed by the road agents?
No? Neither have I.
Nope,
Been going trout fishing with a buddy at a lake 1 1/2 hour away. The county who built the park and boat launch has left the launch open, but they closed the park to overnight camping. The trout fishing is great right now and the fish are at their prime for eating. A few bass are showing, but it's still cold, and the lake is primarily a trout fishery.
I pass sheriff and NHP cars over and back every trip.
Don't have the luxury of worrying about such matters.
Right now I have to worry about a coworker of my wife's who has a family member living in the house with her who has a 103 temperature, shortness of breath, and a sore throat, yet the family member won't go get tested for COVID-19,.. and my wife's coworker insists on coming to work and potentially infecting everybody,..including me, with that schitt.
I'm all for freedom until somebody's freedom kills my family.
I'm not sure what to do about it.
Right now I have to worry about a coworker of my wife's who has a family member living in the house with her who has a 103 temperature, shortness of breath, and a sore throat, yet the family member won't go get tested for COVID-19,.. and my wife's coworker insists on coming to work and potentially infecting everybody,..including me, with that schitt.
I'm all for freedom until somebody's freedom kills my family.
I'm not sure what to do about it.
Originally Posted by Bristoe
Don't have the luxury of worrying about such matters.
Right now I have to worry about a coworker of my wife's who has a family member living in the house with her who has a 103 temperature, shortness of breath, and a sore throat, yet the family member won't go get tested for COVID-19,.. and my wife's coworker insists on coming to work and potentially infecting everybody,..including me, with that schitt.
I'm all for freedom until somebody's freedom kills my family.
I'm not sure what to do about it.
Right now I have to worry about a coworker of my wife's who has a family member living in the house with her who has a 103 temperature, shortness of breath, and a sore throat, yet the family member won't go get tested for COVID-19,.. and my wife's coworker insists on coming to work and potentially infecting everybody,..including me, with that schitt.
I'm all for freedom until somebody's freedom kills my family.
I'm not sure what to do about it.
I'd be talking to the hospital administrator.
Originally Posted by jaguartx
Originally Posted by Bristoe
Don't have the luxury of worrying about such matters.
Right now I have to worry about a coworker of my wife's who has a family member living in the house with her who has a 103 temperature, shortness of breath, and a sore throat, yet the family member won't go get tested for COVID-19,.. and my wife's coworker insists on coming to work and potentially infecting everybody,..including me, with that schitt.
I'm all for freedom until somebody's freedom kills my family.
I'm not sure what to do about it.
Right now I have to worry about a coworker of my wife's who has a family member living in the house with her who has a 103 temperature, shortness of breath, and a sore throat, yet the family member won't go get tested for COVID-19,.. and my wife's coworker insists on coming to work and potentially infecting everybody,..including me, with that schitt.
I'm all for freedom until somebody's freedom kills my family.
I'm not sure what to do about it.
I'd be talking to the hospital administrator.
The whole situation is getting ready to bust open.
There's 3,..sometimes 4 people who work in close proximity to the person and all of them are about ready to go off the hook about it.
The situation just became known today and all of the woman's coworkers,..including my wife,..has been talking to each other all afternoon and evening about how to handle the situation.
My wife is the supervisor of the area that she works in and she's going to be forced to call her supervisor tomorrow and get something settled unless the woman agrees to voluntary quarantine.
I'm about ready to get on the phone and go full azzhole about it until something gets done.
My wife is the supervisor of the area that she works in and she's going to be forced to call her supervisor tomorrow and get something settled unless the woman agrees to voluntary quarantine.
I'm about ready to get on the phone and go full azzhole about it until something gets done.
Originally Posted by Bristoe
Don't have the luxury of worrying about such matters.
Right now I have to worry about a coworker of my wife's who has a family member living in the house with her who has a 103 temperature, shortness of breath, and a sore throat, yet the family member won't go get tested for COVID-19,.. and my wife's coworker insists on coming to work and potentially infecting everybody,..including me, with that schitt.
I'm all for freedom until somebody's freedom kills my family.
I'm not sure what to do about it.
Right now I have to worry about a coworker of my wife's who has a family member living in the house with her who has a 103 temperature, shortness of breath, and a sore throat, yet the family member won't go get tested for COVID-19,.. and my wife's coworker insists on coming to work and potentially infecting everybody,..including me, with that schitt.
I'm all for freedom until somebody's freedom kills my family.
I'm not sure what to do about it.
9-1-1?
Wolf + a million, I'll as I see fit and that will be with a fight and I will take a bunch with me.
Cowboy You are correct.
Become a herd member, do your part
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Feel for your situation Bristoe but just remember, contrary to what the medias fear mongers would like you to believe merely contracting the virus is NOT a death sentence with the current 98% recovery rate. Forcing a person into a mandatory quarantine because they "may" have the virus is a very slippery slope that our country doesnt need to go down, especially with our "leaders" relishing their newfound "power" and control. On the other hand Id probably beat a person who knew they had a likely case of the virus and still purposely and knowingly potentially exposed me and others to a pulp!
Originally Posted by alwaysoutdoors
Originally Posted by Bristoe
Don't have the luxury of worrying about such matters.
Right now I have to worry about a coworker of my wife's who has a family member living in the house with her who has a 103 temperature, shortness of breath, and a sore throat, yet the family member won't go get tested for COVID-19,.. and my wife's coworker insists on coming to work and potentially infecting everybody,..including me, with that schitt.
I'm all for freedom until somebody's freedom kills my family.
I'm not sure what to do about it.
Right now I have to worry about a coworker of my wife's who has a family member living in the house with her who has a 103 temperature, shortness of breath, and a sore throat, yet the family member won't go get tested for COVID-19,.. and my wife's coworker insists on coming to work and potentially infecting everybody,..including me, with that schitt.
I'm all for freedom until somebody's freedom kills my family.
I'm not sure what to do about it.
9-1-1?
And/or news media. Dont think the institution would want that kind of negative publicity!!
911 don't givva schitt.
It's a touchy situation.
Going upstairs and calling somebody out for potentially being a COVID-19 carrier is essentially making them into a pariah for at least 14 days.
Nobody thinks about that until they're in a situation that requires it.
There's no definitive evidence that the family member has Corona,...but on the other hand, he refuses to go find out.
So there's two options,...go upstairs and vent your concerns,...or make the attempt to ride it out in the hope that it's not COVID-19.
But riding it out and not ratting out the person is a life risking decision.
Like I said,....I'm not sure what to do about it.
Actually,...I have no problem with calling the person out. But my wife has to work there. And,...as anybody who has life/work experience knows,...if you have a problem,...you *are* the problem.
Nobody upstairs wants to have to deal with such matters.
If you call on them to do something it puts them into a situation where they have to take responsibility. I've been in those situations before,...more than once,..and I passed on doing anything because I know the score. I didn't want to be "the problem".
But it's never been life threatening before.
This time it is.
It's a touchy situation.
Going upstairs and calling somebody out for potentially being a COVID-19 carrier is essentially making them into a pariah for at least 14 days.
Nobody thinks about that until they're in a situation that requires it.
There's no definitive evidence that the family member has Corona,...but on the other hand, he refuses to go find out.
So there's two options,...go upstairs and vent your concerns,...or make the attempt to ride it out in the hope that it's not COVID-19.
But riding it out and not ratting out the person is a life risking decision.
Like I said,....I'm not sure what to do about it.
Actually,...I have no problem with calling the person out. But my wife has to work there. And,...as anybody who has life/work experience knows,...if you have a problem,...you *are* the problem.
Nobody upstairs wants to have to deal with such matters.
If you call on them to do something it puts them into a situation where they have to take responsibility. I've been in those situations before,...more than once,..and I passed on doing anything because I know the score. I didn't want to be "the problem".
But it's never been life threatening before.
This time it is.
The human race has survived every epidemic ever. But this one is so bad, it was going to wipe every one of out. Unless we quit buying garden seeds. That's what really saved us.
Your own life is yours to decide about. Spreading something life threatening into your household and family seems a lot different. In your situation I would see a doctor, tell him about things in detail, ask for testing for your household and immediate family...anyone who has visited recently. If any of you are positive then blow the whistle on those idiots.
Giving up your rights... not yet apparently. You'd be giving up your rights if you were like so many leaving the local hospitals in a body bag, with no one (including your family) wishing you Bye-Bye.
Phil
Phil
Originally Posted by Greyghost
Giving up your rights... not yet apparently. You'd be giving up your rights if you were like so many leaving the local hospitals in a body bag, with no one (including your family) wishing you Bye-Bye.
Phil
Phil
GFY phaggot!!!! Its about the rights of the 99% of the population being trampled over the 1% infected.
Hey, being from PA you have a good chance of being one of those 1%... GFY
Phil
Phil
Originally Posted by dassa
The human race has survived every epidemic ever. But this one is so bad, it was going to wipe every one of out. Unless we quit buying garden seeds. That's what really saved us.
Toilet paper saved a few 🤣
Originally Posted by cumminscowboy
as I watch our country, through all this one thing has stuck out to me. We are all only as free as our neighbors and people we live around demand or give up. I frankly can't believe what I am actually seeing happen. We have been sold a phony bill of goods. I thought the whole stay at home orders were done so the hospitals could get ready, supplies could be ordered, and the virus could be dealt with medically. The fact is the virus isn't going away, So staying on lock down will only perpetuate the inevitable. until we have a vaccine or herd immunity this isn't going away and we are only delaying what will happen. Meanwhile the hospitals in my area are laying off staff, handing out pay cuts and are ghost towns. having things closed down is unsustainable, yet we continue to be closed. We get no information on cases that are no longer active, only additional cases.
The gov't and the MSM have used this virus to foment fear - fear that "we're all gonna die" unless you all follow our tyrannical rules and edicts... It was all too easy.. While this thing might be a bit more lethal than the standard flu strains we get every year, the country's never been shut down due to the flu.. No, my friends, this was used as a great gov't experiment in how to totally control the peons...
OldGrayWolf said it well above: "It became crystal clear to me some years ago that there will be no widespread resistance to socialism in this country. The children are indoctrinated by it from kindergarten on, merely the attendance of a public school is showing them the government knows more than their parents."
This whole thing sickens me...
Yup! No doubt about it. That damn Trump caused this to see if he could take all your rights away. Communist prick. I’m gonna vote for Biden to set us free. That’s gotta be the correct choice. If you don’t believe this it means you drank the Trump koolaid. Edk
Originally Posted by ERK
Yup! No doubt about it. That damn Trump caused this to see if he could take all your rights away. Communist prick. I’m gonna vote for Biden to set us free. That’s gotta be the correct choice. If you don’t believe this it means you drank the Trump koolaid. Edk
Have you always been a retard, on did you just wake up this stupid, this morning? memtb
Trump a Communist? That's like claiming Madonna is a virgin.
SARCASM people. That’s how stupid some people on here are acting. Government takeover and all that crap. They remind me of Democrats. Ed k
Originally Posted by dassa
The human race has survived every epidemic ever. But this one is so bad, it was going to wipe every one of out. Unless we quit buying garden seeds. That's what really saved us.
Hell you say! It was the garden gnomes I placed in my garden in lieu of seeds.
Dear Lord, every time I read the p!ss fear panicky posse, my disgust and contempt ratchet up a notch or two.
Originally Posted by 79S
Originally Posted by VarmintGuy
Cumminscowboy: I am of the opinion that I have not given up ANY of my rights on a permanent basis!
Are you troubled by paranoia at times?
The powers that be tell me I can't go inside my church in large groups for the short term - and that is asked to save my and many others lives - thats not "giving up freedoms" that is using common sense.
I am sure that in 3 or 6 or 9 months this Wuhan Red Death will be contained and everyone can go back to church.
No one is telling you that you have to "give up your right to worship" you are just being asked not to do so for as short an amount of time as this pandemic can be contained.
Let me know if President Donald J. Trump bans your church permanently or burns it down - I'll be right there with you to throw him out of office - one way or another.
I have been told they have pills to counter-act paranoia.
Hold into the wind
VarmintGuy
Are you troubled by paranoia at times?
The powers that be tell me I can't go inside my church in large groups for the short term - and that is asked to save my and many others lives - thats not "giving up freedoms" that is using common sense.
I am sure that in 3 or 6 or 9 months this Wuhan Red Death will be contained and everyone can go back to church.
No one is telling you that you have to "give up your right to worship" you are just being asked not to do so for as short an amount of time as this pandemic can be contained.
Let me know if President Donald J. Trump bans your church permanently or burns it down - I'll be right there with you to throw him out of office - one way or another.
I have been told they have pills to counter-act paranoia.
Hold into the wind
VarmintGuy
Cool so you don’t mind handing over your firearms for a couple months cause you know it will save many others..
I’m always wondering where the real military personnel will land on a decisive issue of protecting the Constitution or surrendering their rights to a Liberalization of control.
Just me, but I don’t have a thing to worry about if the majority of the military are like 79S.
😎
A very fitting analogy of how many Americans are thinking and acting today. Literally, millions of people have been stripped of they livelyhood by government fiat, yet are cheering that the government "gave them" $1200 of their own money back...
They got given their grandkids money back and I can’t believe how cheap the American public can be bought for $1200 a person.
They got given their grandkids money back and I can’t believe how cheap the American public can be bought for $1200 a person.
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If these posts make you uncomfortable....stay the hell away from where men are trying to figure out how take America back. After all, it is weak minded, socialist, garbage like yourself, which will garner a great deal of unwanted attention! memtb
Originally Posted by jfruser
Dear Lord, every time I read the p!ss fear panicky posse, my disgust and contempt ratchet up a notch or two.
If these posts make you uncomfortable....stay the hell away from where men are trying to figure out how take America back. After all, it is weak minded, socialist, garbage like yourself, which will garner a great deal of unwanted attention! memtb
Originally Posted by Beaver10
Originally Posted by 79S
Originally Posted by VarmintGuy
Cumminscowboy: I am of the opinion that I have not given up ANY of my rights on a permanent basis!
Are you troubled by paranoia at times?
The powers that be tell me I can't go inside my church in large groups for the short term - and that is asked to save my and many others lives - thats not "giving up freedoms" that is using common sense.
I am sure that in 3 or 6 or 9 months this Wuhan Red Death will be contained and everyone can go back to church.
No one is telling you that you have to "give up your right to worship" you are just being asked not to do so for as short an amount of time as this pandemic can be contained.
Let me know if President Donald J. Trump bans your church permanently or burns it down - I'll be right there with you to throw him out of office - one way or another.
I have been told they have pills to counter-act paranoia.
Hold into the wind
VarmintGuy
Are you troubled by paranoia at times?
The powers that be tell me I can't go inside my church in large groups for the short term - and that is asked to save my and many others lives - thats not "giving up freedoms" that is using common sense.
I am sure that in 3 or 6 or 9 months this Wuhan Red Death will be contained and everyone can go back to church.
No one is telling you that you have to "give up your right to worship" you are just being asked not to do so for as short an amount of time as this pandemic can be contained.
Let me know if President Donald J. Trump bans your church permanently or burns it down - I'll be right there with you to throw him out of office - one way or another.
I have been told they have pills to counter-act paranoia.
Hold into the wind
VarmintGuy
Cool so you don’t mind handing over your firearms for a couple months cause you know it will save many others..
I’m always wondering where the real military personnel will land on a decisive issue of protecting the Constitution or surrendering their rights to a Liberalization of control.
Just me, but I don’t have a thing to worry about if the majority of the military are like 79S.
😎
This is my concern as well. If you just take a look at recent events by law enforcement personnel and politicians (example New Jersey Governor) ...I afraid we have our answer! memtb
I am trying to figure out how the leaders of 100+ countries around the globe got together and figured out a way to strip everyone of their rights and make them cower in fear,stay in their homes. Damn amazing.
Men trying to take America back!!! That is rich.
Maybe Rick will add a Corna Virus Forum to get all this in one place
Men trying to take America back!!! That is rich.
Maybe Rick will add a Corna Virus Forum to get all this in one place
Originally Posted by saddlesore
I am trying to figure out how the leaders of 100+ countries around the globe got together and figured out a way to strip everyone of their rights and make them cower in fear,stay in their homes. Damn amazing.
Men trying to take America back!!! That is rich.
Maybe Rick will add a Corna Virus Forum to get all this in one place
Men trying to take America back!!! That is rich.
Maybe Rick will add a Corna Virus Forum to get all this in one place
That's because the methods have been studied, tested, and perfected over the last 100 years. Whoever "they" is had a pretty good idea of just how far a population can be pushed, before pushback occurs.
Being a coward has become the norm in America.
Originally Posted by memtb
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If these posts make you uncomfortable....stay the hell away from where men are trying to figure out how take America back. After all, it is weak minded, socialist, garbage like yourself, which will garner a great deal of unwanted attention! memtb
Originally Posted by jfruser
Dear Lord, every time I read the p!ss fear panicky posse, my disgust and contempt ratchet up a notch or two.
If these posts make you uncomfortable....stay the hell away from where men are trying to figure out how take America back. After all, it is weak minded, socialist, garbage like yourself, which will garner a great deal of unwanted attention! memtb
I think you misunderstand where my contempt is directed.
Originally Posted by jfruser
Originally Posted by memtb
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If these posts make you uncomfortable....stay the hell away from where men are trying to figure out how take America back. After all, it is weak minded, socialist, garbage like yourself, which will garner a great deal of unwanted attention! memtb
Originally Posted by jfruser
Dear Lord, every time I read the p!ss fear panicky posse, my disgust and contempt ratchet up a notch or two.
If these posts make you uncomfortable....stay the hell away from where men are trying to figure out how take America back. After all, it is weak minded, socialist, garbage like yourself, which will garner a great deal of unwanted attention! memtb
I think you misunderstand where my contempt is directed.
If so.....I ask forgiveness! memtb
We have been played.
The autocrats have their thumb on us and they continue to apply pressure.
The number of so-called conservatives who are willing to give up their freedoms is alarming.
Time to move on and get this country moving again.
The autocrats have their thumb on us and they continue to apply pressure.
The number of so-called conservatives who are willing to give up their freedoms is alarming.
Time to move on and get this country moving again.
Originally Posted by OldGrayWolf
I am not surprised. It became crystal clear to me some years ago that there will be no widespread resistance to socialism in this country. The children are indoctrinated by it from kindergarten on, merely the attendance of a public school is showing them the government knows more than their parents.
The parents accept it in the form of the earned income tax credit payments, subsidized meals for their children at the public school, and often the various forms of welfare they are receiving. Those who do work and pay their own bills still will not say to hell with the job, house and car to go fight for liberty, because that job is how they keep the house and car they do not own. They are in debt, and can do nothing else but go to work and pay the taxes unless they plan to starve their family and leave them homeless.
The older folks, as has already been stated, will not fight, because that medicine that keeps them alive comes from government subsidized sources, and the government check they get pays the bills. Not to mention, walking more than a mile is taxing for most, forget running any place to fight or to flee. The few of us who could actually financially absorb a limited time without income or government payments and who are healthy enough and willing to fight, will not start it because we know we are too few to fight the half or more of the country that will fight to keep the checks coming.
So what we all get is dwindling liberty, and an eventual final stand all by ourselves, because when the leviathan comes for a man, and it is fight or submit, and he chooses to fight, he will do it alone, because all his fellows will be cowering in their houses, hoping to escape attention until the beast has been satiated. Personally, I will die laughing like a maniac at those folks, knowing that cowardice will save no man because the beast is never
satiated, never tires, and will come for them soon enough. And when it does, they too will be alone, because any of us who would have run to fight with them will already be long gone.
I am not afraid of dying. I am afraid of dying poorly. In my boots, holding a smoking gun and a bloody blade, with the blood of my enemies on my teeth, is dying well. On my knees is dying poorly. My peace is made, I will not be dying poorly. Nor easily, God willing. The beast can kill any man who fights alone. But the man who fights alone and knows he is already dead can lay a hurt on whatever is chewing on him while he goes. I intend to do just that. Besides, one needs as many slaves as possible to row his boat across the river to Valhalla...🗡
The parents accept it in the form of the earned income tax credit payments, subsidized meals for their children at the public school, and often the various forms of welfare they are receiving. Those who do work and pay their own bills still will not say to hell with the job, house and car to go fight for liberty, because that job is how they keep the house and car they do not own. They are in debt, and can do nothing else but go to work and pay the taxes unless they plan to starve their family and leave them homeless.
The older folks, as has already been stated, will not fight, because that medicine that keeps them alive comes from government subsidized sources, and the government check they get pays the bills. Not to mention, walking more than a mile is taxing for most, forget running any place to fight or to flee. The few of us who could actually financially absorb a limited time without income or government payments and who are healthy enough and willing to fight, will not start it because we know we are too few to fight the half or more of the country that will fight to keep the checks coming.
So what we all get is dwindling liberty, and an eventual final stand all by ourselves, because when the leviathan comes for a man, and it is fight or submit, and he chooses to fight, he will do it alone, because all his fellows will be cowering in their houses, hoping to escape attention until the beast has been satiated. Personally, I will die laughing like a maniac at those folks, knowing that cowardice will save no man because the beast is never
satiated, never tires, and will come for them soon enough. And when it does, they too will be alone, because any of us who would have run to fight with them will already be long gone.
I am not afraid of dying. I am afraid of dying poorly. In my boots, holding a smoking gun and a bloody blade, with the blood of my enemies on my teeth, is dying well. On my knees is dying poorly. My peace is made, I will not be dying poorly. Nor easily, God willing. The beast can kill any man who fights alone. But the man who fights alone and knows he is already dead can lay a hurt on whatever is chewing on him while he goes. I intend to do just that. Besides, one needs as many slaves as possible to row his boat across the river to Valhalla...🗡
Well put..
My oldest son is a high-functioning autistic. He just doesn't process things the way the rest of us do. If you met him, you'd probably like him.
Back when he was a little kid, he had a fascination with being restrained. He used to like to spend time rolled up in rugs or hiding under blankets or stuffed in large boxes. It was a sensation he craved, and I learned early on that if he got overly excited a good way to get him to calm down was give him a chance to crawl in a box.
I had a 6 foot length of logging chain that I used to use to padlock my treestands. He got interested in the chain and the lock and one morning he was playing with them and his toy guns and stuffed animals, and somehow he managed to chain himself to a pillar and the chain was just short enough that he couldn't reach his toy gun. That sent him off.
I got up and unlocked him and let him get his toy gun, and then I called him over and said, "Son, there's a lesson there. Don't ever get yourself chained up so you can't get to your guns." It must have stuck. He's now 30, and a rabid conservative.
I see the current situation as something akin to my son. The Post WWII generations just have had no clue about Freedom and Liberty. They're mostly empty words to folks. They can't understand why it's not a good idea to chain yourself to the first pillar you find in the morning. Socialism, Political Correctness, and all that looks really attractive. Then something happens like a freaking Flu Epidemic and they suddenly notice that they can't get to their guns and they can't get to their toys and now all of a sudden they're crying for help.
My guess is, that folks are going to learn a lot from this lesson.
Back when he was a little kid, he had a fascination with being restrained. He used to like to spend time rolled up in rugs or hiding under blankets or stuffed in large boxes. It was a sensation he craved, and I learned early on that if he got overly excited a good way to get him to calm down was give him a chance to crawl in a box.
I had a 6 foot length of logging chain that I used to use to padlock my treestands. He got interested in the chain and the lock and one morning he was playing with them and his toy guns and stuffed animals, and somehow he managed to chain himself to a pillar and the chain was just short enough that he couldn't reach his toy gun. That sent him off.
I got up and unlocked him and let him get his toy gun, and then I called him over and said, "Son, there's a lesson there. Don't ever get yourself chained up so you can't get to your guns." It must have stuck. He's now 30, and a rabid conservative.
I see the current situation as something akin to my son. The Post WWII generations just have had no clue about Freedom and Liberty. They're mostly empty words to folks. They can't understand why it's not a good idea to chain yourself to the first pillar you find in the morning. Socialism, Political Correctness, and all that looks really attractive. Then something happens like a freaking Flu Epidemic and they suddenly notice that they can't get to their guns and they can't get to their toys and now all of a sudden they're crying for help.
My guess is, that folks are going to learn a lot from this lesson.
Originally Posted by 79S
Originally Posted by RockyRaab
Second, not a single freedom has been taken from us.
How’s that church thing working out for people??
Church is meeting in the parking lot. We started it before any legal restrictions were in place.
I'm in Illinois which is generally considered to be one of the most liberal states in the union. New construction continues, with exceptions of a couple of large projects that were directly impacted by the virus. And they've re-started in a cautious manor. (I74 Mississippi River Bridge Project)
Home remodels by contractors are ongoing. My wife's cousin just had his home re-sided.
Restaurants and establishments that open under health dept license are restricted as to hours, and are carry out or drive through only. Wife and I did a day road trip yesterday and ate lunch in Milledgeville Illinois at the Rt40 cafe. We picked it up at the window and drove out to the fairgrounds overlooking town to eat.
On our way home last night we picked up Mexican via curbside service at Kelly's Pub in Sterling. Took it home and had a feast. (Fiesta?)
I read a lot from the screamers that we've given away our liberty.
Bullshit.
I read that the Greatest Generation would be shocked.
Bullshit...
Many of the greatest generation were born in the time of the Spanish Flu. Measles, Smallpox, and Polio were all causes for quarantines in their day.
My father, of the Greatest Generation, and WWII participant in the Japanese Islands campaign recalled having a quarantine sign posted at their lane entrance and on their front door.
The county health dept then, and now had the power to alter people lives when necessary. And when a particular illness becomes pandemic the federal government has always stepped in with harsh measures.
It really always has been about what's the best for the most.
The liberals are lying? That's not news, and there likely is no lawful cure.
Originally Posted by johnw
Originally Posted by 79S
Originally Posted by RockyRaab
Second, not a single freedom has been taken from us.
How’s that church thing working out for people??
Church is meeting in the parking lot. We started it before any legal restrictions were in place.
I'm in Illinois which is generally considered to be one of the most liberal states in the union. New construction continues, with exceptions of a couple of large projects that were directly impacted by the virus. And they've re-started in a cautious manor. (I74 Mississippi River Bridge Project)
Home remodels by contractors are ongoing. My wife's cousin just had his home re-sided.
Restaurants and establishments that open under health dept license are restricted as to hours, and are carry out or drive through only. Wife and I did a day road trip yesterday and ate lunch in Milledgeville Illinois at the Rt40 cafe. We picked it up at the window and drove out to the fairgrounds overlooking town to eat.
On our way home last night we picked up Mexican via curbside service at Kelly's Pub in Sterling. Took it home and had a feast. (Fiesta?)
I read a lot from the screamers that we've given away our liberty.
Bullshit.
I read that the Greatest Generation would be shocked.
Bullshit...
Many of the greatest generation were born in the time of the Spanish Flu. Measles, Smallpox, and Polio were all causes for quarantines in their day.
My father, of the Greatest Generation, and WWII participant in the Japanese Islands campaign recalled having a quarantine sign posted at their lane entrance and on their front door.
The county health dept then, and now had the power to alter people lives when necessary. And when a particular illness becomes pandemic the federal government has always stepped in with harsh measures.
It really always has been about what's the best for the most.
The liberals are lying? That's not news, and there likely is no lawful cure.
Back in your father’s day, liberty was under attack as much as now. Did he ever mention the gold confiscation of 1933? Prohibition? The NFA? We went from buying a Thompson or BAR at the hardware store or through the mail to not being able to get them without a major hassle and expense. Did you know that BATF was formed as a job for sidelined revenue agents originally tasked to enforce Prohibition? That the NFA’s first test before SCOTUS resulted from a moonshine still bust in Arkansas where the operator was charged under the NFA for having a single shot shotgun with a barrel too short? Many people of that generation worshipped FDR, and the guy was a commie who tried to flood the SCOTUS with judges loyal to his agenda. And even back then, they only quarantined the sick. I’d say things have progressed...
We have lost so much liberty in the last hundred years, that most folks living lack even a marginal perspective on what liberty even is. They sit like frogs in the warming pot, and as the temperature rises, they keep assuring their fellows that everything is fine. Well everything is not fine, And the sleepy sheep are part of the problem.
Originally Posted by 79S
Originally Posted by RockyRaab
Second, not a single freedom has been taken from us.
How’s that church thing working out for people??
About the same as my most recent dining out experience.
Originally Posted by memtb
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If these posts make you uncomfortable....stay the hell away from where men are trying to figure out how take America back. After all, it is weak minded, socialist, garbage like yourself, which will garner a great deal of unwanted attention! memtb
Originally Posted by jfruser
Dear Lord, every time I read the p!ss fear panicky posse, my disgust and contempt ratchet up a notch or two.
If these posts make you uncomfortable....stay the hell away from where men are trying to figure out how take America back. After all, it is weak minded, socialist, garbage like yourself, which will garner a great deal of unwanted attention! memtb
I think you're about 180 it on how you understand what he said. He's on your side.
Originally Posted by dassa
Originally Posted by memtb
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If these posts make you uncomfortable....stay the hell away from where men are trying to figure out how take America back. After all, it is weak minded, socialist, garbage like yourself, which will garner a great deal of unwanted attention! memtb
Originally Posted by jfruser
Dear Lord, every time I read the p!ss fear panicky posse, my disgust and contempt ratchet up a notch or two.
If these posts make you uncomfortable....stay the hell away from where men are trying to figure out how take America back. After all, it is weak minded, socialist, garbage like yourself, which will garner a great deal of unwanted attention! memtb
I think you're about 180 it on how you understand what he said. He's on your side.
I apologized to him, for my misunderstanding of his post! memtb
Yeah, I saw that later. My apologies. It's sometimes hard to keep the players straight on here lately.
Originally Posted by johnw
Originally Posted by 79S
Originally Posted by RockyRaab
Second, not a single freedom has been taken from us.
How’s that church thing working out for people??
Church is meeting in the parking lot. We started it before any legal restrictions were in place.
I'm in Illinois which is generally considered to be one of the most liberal states in the union. New construction continues, with exceptions of a couple of large projects that were directly impacted by the virus. And they've re-started in a cautious manor. (I74 Mississippi River Bridge Project)
Home remodels by contractors are ongoing. My wife's cousin just had his home re-sided.
Restaurants and establishments that open under health dept license are restricted as to hours, and are carry out or drive through only. Wife and I did a day road trip yesterday and ate lunch in Milledgeville Illinois at the Rt40 cafe. We picked it up at the window and drove out to the fairgrounds overlooking town to eat.
On our way home last night we picked up Mexican via curbside service at Kelly's Pub in Sterling. Took it home and had a feast. (Fiesta?)
I read a lot from the screamers that we've given away our liberty.
Bullshit.
I read that the Greatest Generation would be shocked.
Bullshit...
Many of the greatest generation were born in the time of the Spanish Flu. Measles, Smallpox, and Polio were all causes for quarantines in their day.
My father, of the Greatest Generation, and WWII participant in the Japanese Islands campaign recalled having a quarantine sign posted at their lane entrance and on their front door.
The county health dept then, and now had the power to alter people lives when necessary. And when a particular illness becomes pandemic the federal government has always stepped in with harsh measures.
It really always has been about what's the best for the most.
The liberals are lying? That's not news, and there likely is no lawful cure.
Nothin to see.... just move along... Johnw was able to get take out.... everything is fine....
Originally Posted by saddlesore
I am trying to figure out how the leaders of 100+ countries around the globe got together and figured out a way to strip everyone of their rights and make them cower in fear,stay in their homes. Damn amazing.
Men trying to take America back!!! That is rich.
Maybe Rick will add a Corna Virus Forum to get all this in one place
Men trying to take America back!!! That is rich.
Maybe Rick will add a Corna Virus Forum to get all this in one place
When people do what's in their nature, they don't need to conspire. Politicians are people who are willing to spend millions of dollars to get a job that pays hundreds of thousands. Why? Because it gives them power. And when a power-hungry person sees the opportunity to seize more power, they take it. They don't need to conspire with other power-hungry people beforehand.
No surprises, people are sheeple and do as they told.
Was digging around in some old posts and found this
Everyone returned healthy , not even a cold . Other crews since have been sent up north again and again everyone returned healthy .
Kenneth
Originally Posted by Kenneth66
Haven’t seen enough evidence to say one way of the other as of yet . A lot of people are scared shietless, a lot of us are still working everyday , business as usual .
I am leaning toward this thing being B.S. , but know nothing about plaques as to how long it takes to see wide spread infections .
But if it is as contagious and as deadly as they claim , seems we would all be seeing it firsthand by now and not just the occasional case here and there as I can tell you NOVA is still pretty active with people working and moving about .
On telling factor I soon figure to see is we had several crews of men go up north several states a week ago and they had to travel through N.Y.
So I figure if these guys return healthy in a couple of weeks , it would show the panic to be nothing more than that , panic and robbery of our economy and freedoms .
Kenneth
I am leaning toward this thing being B.S. , but know nothing about plaques as to how long it takes to see wide spread infections .
But if it is as contagious and as deadly as they claim , seems we would all be seeing it firsthand by now and not just the occasional case here and there as I can tell you NOVA is still pretty active with people working and moving about .
On telling factor I soon figure to see is we had several crews of men go up north several states a week ago and they had to travel through N.Y.
So I figure if these guys return healthy in a couple of weeks , it would show the panic to be nothing more than that , panic and robbery of our economy and freedoms .
Kenneth
Everyone returned healthy , not even a cold . Other crews since have been sent up north again and again everyone returned healthy .
Kenneth
Disappointed, but not surprised
Originally Posted by RockyRaab
CC, did you honestly believe that the virus would "go away" as though by a wave of a magic wand? This isn't something merely irritating, like a bad TV commercial. It is in fact a pretty serious disease. It has been greatly overblown, I grant you, but nobody who has had it and survived will tell you it is just an annoyance.
Second, not a single freedom has been taken from us. We are all more or less voluntarily obeying certain recommendations that will in fact end this sooner than otherwise, and I think most people realize that. When this does taper off to an eventual end (sooner than had we behaved otherwise) all these temporary restrictions will end and people will go back to their normal routines - likely forgetting all this happened at all within a few years, attention spans being what they are.
Second, not a single freedom has been taken from us. We are all more or less voluntarily obeying certain recommendations that will in fact end this sooner than otherwise, and I think most people realize that. When this does taper off to an eventual end (sooner than had we behaved otherwise) all these temporary restrictions will end and people will go back to their normal routines - likely forgetting all this happened at all within a few years, attention spans being what they are.
Rocky,
I cannot believe you were a believer.
Atone, please.
Originally Posted by alwaysoutdoors
Originally Posted by Bristoe
Don't have the luxury of worrying about such matters.
Right now I have to worry about a coworker of my wife's who has a family member living in the house with her who has a 103 temperature, shortness of breath, and a sore throat, yet the family member won't go get tested for COVID-19,.. and my wife's coworker insists on coming to work and potentially infecting everybody,..including me, with that schitt.
I'm all for freedom until somebody's freedom kills my family.
I'm not sure what to do about it.
Right now I have to worry about a coworker of my wife's who has a family member living in the house with her who has a 103 temperature, shortness of breath, and a sore throat, yet the family member won't go get tested for COVID-19,.. and my wife's coworker insists on coming to work and potentially infecting everybody,..including me, with that schitt.
I'm all for freedom until somebody's freedom kills my family.
I'm not sure what to do about it.
9-1-1?
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Originally Posted by Bristoe
911 don't givva schitt.
It's a touchy situation.
Going upstairs and calling somebody out for potentially being a COVID-19 carrier is essentially making them into a pariah for at least 14 days.
Nobody thinks about that until they're in a situation that requires it.
There's no definitive evidence that the family member has Corona,...but on the other hand, he refuses to go find out.
So there's two options,...go upstairs and vent your concerns,...or make the attempt to ride it out in the hope that it's not COVID-19.
But riding it out and not ratting out the person is a life risking decision.
Like I said,....I'm not sure what to do about it.
Actually,...I have no problem with calling the person out. But my wife has to work there. And,...as anybody who has life/work experience knows,...if you have a problem,...you *are* the problem.
Nobody upstairs wants to have to deal with such matters.
If you call on them to do something it puts them into a situation where they have to take responsibility. I've been in those situations before,...more than once,..and I passed on doing anything because I know the score. I didn't want to be "the problem".
But it's never been life threatening before.
This time it is.
It's a touchy situation.
Going upstairs and calling somebody out for potentially being a COVID-19 carrier is essentially making them into a pariah for at least 14 days.
Nobody thinks about that until they're in a situation that requires it.
There's no definitive evidence that the family member has Corona,...but on the other hand, he refuses to go find out.
So there's two options,...go upstairs and vent your concerns,...or make the attempt to ride it out in the hope that it's not COVID-19.
But riding it out and not ratting out the person is a life risking decision.
Like I said,....I'm not sure what to do about it.
Actually,...I have no problem with calling the person out. But my wife has to work there. And,...as anybody who has life/work experience knows,...if you have a problem,...you *are* the problem.
Nobody upstairs wants to have to deal with such matters.
If you call on them to do something it puts them into a situation where they have to take responsibility. I've been in those situations before,...more than once,..and I passed on doing anything because I know the score. I didn't want to be "the problem".
But it's never been life threatening before.
This time it is.
Wouldn't it be much simpler to just not go to work?
Link to Vid
Liberty is a value, not an instinct - Dennis Prager
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Liberty and freedom are very rare in human history. The human instinct is not to yearn for liberty—humans yearn to be taken care of. Generally, by the government (socialism & communism).
America's founders knew that limited government and liberty are key to a free society—but we are now witnessing that as Americans become more secular, they value liberty much less.
America's founders knew that limited government and liberty are key to a free society—but we are now witnessing that as Americans become more secular, they value liberty much less.
Trail run for the democrat socialist communist take over in America. Next time they will know where, when, and how force to use.
We’ve always been had. When this first started I told my buddy, we’re about to see how easy the government can control us...
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"I know nurses who think it’s overhyped."
I know one who doesn't. She got nail with the caronacrap early and is still having major problems trying to kick it.
Me? I'm one of those I will not comply" types and refuse to even wear a mask unless forced to, and then will comply after vigorous protest. Just ask the door person at COSTCO.
I had to see my doctor yesterday and I was not wearing a mask. All the sheep in the waiting room gave me looks that of those looks had the power of a 40 Megawat plasma gun there would have been nothing left. Even my doc got a bit testy about it. All my vitals checked out and even my temp was lower than usual by a half a degree. I usually run 96 point something any yesterday it was 95.6 IIRC. I looked him in the eye and told him, "I'm not afraid and I refuse to live in fear."
Paul B.
PS: I'll be 82 years young come this next mid August.
PB
I know one who doesn't. She got nail with the caronacrap early and is still having major problems trying to kick it.
Me? I'm one of those I will not comply" types and refuse to even wear a mask unless forced to, and then will comply after vigorous protest. Just ask the door person at COSTCO.
I had to see my doctor yesterday and I was not wearing a mask. All the sheep in the waiting room gave me looks that of those looks had the power of a 40 Megawat plasma gun there would have been nothing left. Even my doc got a bit testy about it. All my vitals checked out and even my temp was lower than usual by a half a degree. I usually run 96 point something any yesterday it was 95.6 IIRC. I looked him in the eye and told him, "I'm not afraid and I refuse to live in fear."
Paul B.
PS: I'll be 82 years young come this next mid August.
PB
Originally Posted by jaguartx
Originally Posted by agazain
Right. We've been had.
No. When you die from a bioweapon attack, then you've been had.
I too think it was a deliberate bio-war attack, not only against the UC, but entire world in the hope that China will end up being the only real world power regarding not only financial but militarily.
Paul B.
Bio-weapons aren't engineered to be ineffective.
LOL.
LOL.
Originally Posted by RockyRaab
CC, did you honestly believe that the virus would "go away" as though by a wave of a magic wand? This isn't something merely irritating, like a bad TV commercial. It is in fact a pretty serious disease. It has been greatly overblown, I grant you, but nobody who has had it and survived will tell you it is just an annoyance.
Second, not a single freedom has been taken from us. We are all more or less voluntarily obeying certain recommendations that will in fact end this sooner than otherwise, and I think most people realize that. When this does taper off to an eventual end (sooner than had we behaved otherwise) all these temporary restrictions will end and people will go back to their normal routines - likely forgetting all this happened at all within a few years, attention spans being what they are.
Second, not a single freedom has been taken from us. We are all more or less voluntarily obeying certain recommendations that will in fact end this sooner than otherwise, and I think most people realize that. When this does taper off to an eventual end (sooner than had we behaved otherwise) all these temporary restrictions will end and people will go back to their normal routines - likely forgetting all this happened at all within a few years, attention spans being what they are.
While I agree with a bit of what you say, I surely cannot agree with much of it.
Most of the lockdown/shutdown mandates are not recommendations; in most areas they are guv'ner's EO's which carry the force of law, albeit, "temporarily", however long the tyrants deem that to be. Some just can't let go..............ALL (as in 100%) Democratically controlled states, by the way.
Further, the "experts" have been completely wrong by an order of magnitude or more, of their predictions, using very old & very unreliable models, that were taken as gospel.
And it's not been slightly overblown, it been horrendously overblown, with the crisis flames fanned daily by the news media.
And, yes, some freedoms have been taken away, like the right to pursue a living.........shutting down various businesses, very, very arbitrarily with no compensation, for 2-3 months & counting.
I cold go on as nauseum......................but the most important thing that you should get out of this (obviously you don't though), is that life in this country has forever been changed & "normal" going forward will never equal "normal" from before the monumental guv power grab. We will never, never ever regain full control of our lives & society again.
What started as a medical issue has now evolved to a 100% politically driven issue.............period, so pull your head out of the sand, just a little at least.
And the next manufactured "crisis" will be much much worse & far more restrictive.................coming soon.
MM
I had it. It was annoying and thats about it.
Just for Rocky....................make sense outta this one.
From another post thread.
Gay Swinger Bar OK to be Open, But No Haricuts
We got trimmed alright.....................
MM
From another post thread.
Gay Swinger Bar OK to be Open, But No Haricuts
We got trimmed alright.....................
MM
Originally Posted by cumminscowboy
are you surprised about freedom being given up?
Nope.
“A republic, if you can keep it” - Benjamin Franklin
Sounds like a few here have given up their man-card.
Nancy in Roundup, Mt has a question for you, the “believers”.
https://www.rounduprecord.com/story/2020/05/06/opinion/letters-to-the-editor/1057.html
Nancy in Roundup, Mt has a question for you, the “believers”.
https:/
Lots are scared absolutely to death & will give .guv any power at all in the hope of being saved.
That's roughly half the country, i.e., the DemonRat Lie-berals.
MM
That's roughly half the country, i.e., the DemonRat Lie-berals.
MM
Originally Posted by mtnsnake
Trail run for the democrat socialist communist take over in America. Next time they will know where, when, and how force to use.
I'm loving the working from home order. I hope they do it permanently so I can move to Wyoming or Idaho and actually get to enjoy hunting our National Forests and Wilderness Areas every year.