Home
***Copied from a friend's page***
"Here is my position on Donald Trump:
Make no mistake...I'm not posting this for debate (for those of you that love to debate every political thing I post!). I don’t seek or need commentary. It's ok if you don't agree because we are all entitled to our own opinions.
Just consider this...when you think the President is a jerk; he is. He’s a New Yorker. He’s crude and he can be rude. He gets his feelings hurt and he’s a hothead. He hits back; harder. The media hates it when he tweets. Why? Because he gets information out that they don’t want to report.
Let me tell you what else:
He’s a guy that demands performance. If you don't work as hard as he does; you're fired!
He is a guy that asks lots of questions. The questions he asks aren’t cloaked in fancy “political” phrases; they are “why the hell...” questions.
For decades the health industry has thrown away billions of face masks after one use. Trump asked, “why the hell are we throwing them away? Why not sterilize them and use them numerous times?” They called him stupid. What are they doing now? Sterilizing face masks.
He’s the guy that gets hospital ships readied in one week when it would have taken bureaucrats weeks or months to get it done.
He’s the guy that gets temporary hospitals built in three days. They said no way he could do it.
He’s the guy that gets auto industries to restructure to build ventilators in a business that’s highly regulated by agencies that move like sloths.
He’s the guy that asks “why aren’t we using drugs that might work on people that are dying; what the hell do we have to lose?”
He’s the guy that restricted travel from China when the Democrats and liberal media were screaming “xenophobia” and “racist.” Now they’re wanting to know why didn't he react sooner?
He’s the guy that campaigned on securing the border - protecting America - in the face of screaming Democrats and the liberal media. (Both Clinton and Obama talked about a crisis at the border and Obama did some things to address the crisis, but they proved insufficient.) When Trump shut down borders in the midst of the coronavirus virus, they screamed louder. Then the rest of the world followed suit, including the European Union with travel between their member countries. His policy is always 'America First.' For many years we have complained about sending billions abroad, while Americans suffer here. He's minimized that outflow of money.
Has he made mistakes? Yes.
Everyone I know has and does.
The “experts” wouldn’t and haven’t done any better.
Does he change his mind? Yes, who doesn't?
Trump is working harder than I’ve ever seen a President work. Twenty-four-hour days. He isn’t hiding in his office; he’s out front - Briefing - every day.
When he offers hope, they say he’s lying and when he’s straight forward, they say he should be hopeful. It’s a no-win situation, with the MSM, but he will not be deterred.
I’ll take this kind of leadership six days a week and twice on Sunday over a “polished, nice guy” politician who reads prepared speeches from a teleprompter and answers pre-scripted questions.
He is my President.

Paul B.
Summed up nicely.
+1 great post, and true too!
+100
This place needs more of this, and less petty fighting.
You can have Trump he sold the US out for a vote or money. He knew the China virus wasn't a real threat to the majority of US, and still shut the country down just to look good. During the greatest US economy the debt was out of control, now it's just unfathomable. Trump is still the best we have to choose from but you can sure tell he once was a dumocrat.
Originally Posted by PJGunner
***Copied from a friend's page***
"Here is my position on Donald Trump:
Make no mistake...I'm not posting this for debate (for those of you that love to debate every political thing I post!). I don’t seek or need commentary. It's ok if you don't agree because we are all entitled to our own opinions.
Just consider this...when you think the President is a jerk; he is. He’s a New Yorker. He’s crude and he can be rude. He gets his feelings hurt and he’s a hothead. He hits back; harder. The media hates it when he tweets. Why? Because he gets information out that they don’t want to report.
Let me tell you what else:
He’s a guy that demands performance. If you don't work as hard as he does; you're fired!
He is a guy that asks lots of questions. The questions he asks aren’t cloaked in fancy “political” phrases; they are “why the hell...” questions.
For decades the health industry has thrown away billions of face masks after one use. Trump asked, “why the hell are we throwing them away? Why not sterilize them and use them numerous times?” They called him stupid. What are they doing now? Sterilizing face masks.
He’s the guy that gets hospital ships readied in one week when it would have taken bureaucrats weeks or months to get it done.
He’s the guy that gets temporary hospitals built in three days. They said no way he could do it.
He’s the guy that gets auto industries to restructure to build ventilators in a business that’s highly regulated by agencies that move like sloths.
He’s the guy that asks “why aren’t we using drugs that might work on people that are dying; what the hell do we have to lose?”
He’s the guy that restricted travel from China when the Democrats and liberal media were screaming “xenophobia” and “racist.” Now they’re wanting to know why didn't he react sooner?
He’s the guy that campaigned on securing the border - protecting America - in the face of screaming Democrats and the liberal media. (Both Clinton and Obama talked about a crisis at the border and Obama did some things to address the crisis, but they proved insufficient.) When Trump shut down borders in the midst of the coronavirus virus, they screamed louder. Then the rest of the world followed suit, including the European Union with travel between their member countries. His policy is always 'America First.' For many years we have complained about sending billions abroad, while Americans suffer here. He's minimized that outflow of money.
Has he made mistakes? Yes.
Everyone I know has and does.
The “experts” wouldn’t and haven’t done any better.
Does he change his mind? Yes, who doesn't?
Trump is working harder than I’ve ever seen a President work. Twenty-four-hour days. He isn’t hiding in his office; he’s out front - Briefing - every day.
When he offers hope, they say he’s lying and when he’s straight forward, they say he should be hopeful. It’s a no-win situation, with the MSM, but he will not be deterred.
I’ll take this kind of leadership six days a week and twice on Sunday over a “polished, nice guy” politician who reads prepared speeches from a teleprompter and answers pre-scripted questions.
He is my President.

Paul B.

.....YUP!.....Clowns, idiots and masters of mental midgetry on here, like saCharlie (Up n Chucky), LeeeRoy (farts 'n Beans), Northman, Paddler (where the hell has Piddler gone?) and a few others, couldn't ever come up with anything using fairness and honest objectivity about Trump.....These MORONS refuse to see all the good Trump has done!!! And when confronted with the facts as your above post clearly shows, they will always dispute what is right in front of them to see......Hatred has blinders and blindfolds.........
Where would be now had Hillary won?
Originally Posted by srwshooter
Where would we be now had Hillary won?
Originally Posted by TrueGrit
You can have Trump he sold the US out for a vote or money. He knew the China virus wasn't a real threat to the majority of US, and still shut the country down just to look good. During the greatest US economy the debt was out of control, now it's just unfathomable. Trump is still the best we have to choose from but you can sure tell he once was a dumocrat.
..................Trump sold out for a vote or money?? Oh really?? Care to enlighten us??......So Trump shut down the country in order just to look good, thereby almost destroying an economy which he worked so hard to build up and get going?? Looking forward to reading how and what evidence you have that leads you to arrive at that conclusion....The debt can begin to be corrected and wittled down little by little IF congress after the economy gets moving again STOPS ITS SPENDING!...... But ya gotta blame Trump for decade after decade of needless and wasteful spending and piling on the debt, BEFORE he took office.

.
Straight up.
Originally Posted by bigsqueeze
Originally Posted by TrueGrit
You can have Trump he sold the US out for a vote or money. He knew the China virus wasn't a real threat to the majority of US, and still shut the country down just to look good. During the greatest US economy the debt was out of control, now it's just unfathomable. Trump is still the best we have to choose from but you can sure tell he once was a dumocrat.
..................Trump sold out for a vote or money?? Oh really?? Care to enlighten us??......So Trump shut down the country in order just to look good, thereby almost destroying an economy which he worked so hard to build up and get going?? Looking forward to reading how and what evidence you have that leads you to arrive at that conclusion....The debt can begin to be corrected and wittled down little by little IF congress after the economy gets moving again STOPS ITS SPENDING!...... But ya gotta blame Trump for decade after decade of needless and wasteful spending and piling on the debt, BEFORE he took office.

.







I am still wondering how Trump got roped into going along with this. Seems like it all happened so quickly there wasn't a lot of thought put into it. Can someone explain and leave out the emotion part?
Originally Posted by bigsqueeze
Originally Posted by TrueGrit
You can have Trump he sold the US out for a vote or money. He knew the China virus wasn't a real threat to the majority of US, and still shut the country down just to look good. During the greatest US economy the debt was out of control, now it's just unfathomable. Trump is still the best we have to choose from but you can sure tell he once was a dumocrat.
..................Trump sold out for a vote or money?? Oh really?? Care to enlighten us??......So Trump shut down the country in order just to look good, thereby almost destroying an economy which he worked so hard to build up and get going?? Looking forward to reading how and what evidence you have that leads you to arrive at that conclusion....The debt can begin to be corrected and wittled down little by little IF congress after the economy gets moving again STOPS ITS SPENDING!...... But ya gotta blame Trump for decade after decade of needless and wasteful spending and piling on the debt, BEFORE he took office.

.






When the economy was the best in history the deficit was still going up at a record pace. Trump has added more to the debt than Obama.
https://youtu.be/UuOatLZPwgI
I believe 100% that Trump knew the China virus was a hoax and played along for some reason. If your old, fat or have other preexisting health issues the China flu is a real threat, why shut the country down to protect a few? And we see that they couldn't be protected any way. I'm all ears, why do you think Trump shut the country down?
Originally Posted by TrueGrit
Originally Posted by bigsqueeze
Originally Posted by TrueGrit
You can have Trump he sold the US out for a vote or money. He knew the China virus wasn't a real threat to the majority of US, and still shut the country down just to look good. During the greatest US economy the debt was out of control, now it's just unfathomable. Trump is still the best we have to choose from but you can sure tell he once was a dumocrat.
..................Trump sold out for a vote or money?? Oh really?? Care to enlighten us??......So Trump shut down the country in order just to look good, thereby almost destroying an economy which he worked so hard to build up and get going?? Looking forward to reading how and what evidence you have that leads you to arrive at that conclusion....The debt can begin to be corrected and wittled down little by little IF congress after the economy gets moving again STOPS ITS SPENDING!...... But ya gotta blame Trump for decade after decade of needless and wasteful spending and piling on the debt, BEFORE he took office.

.






When the economy was the best in history the deficit was still going up at a record pace. Trump has added more to the debt than Obama.
https://youtu.be/UuOatLZPwgI
I believe 100% that Trump knew the China virus was a hoax and played along for some reason. If your old, fat or have other preexisting health issues the China flu is a real threat, why shut the country down to protect a few? And we see that they couldn't be protected any way. I'm all ears, why do you think Trump shut the country down?
........................Well the debt when Trump took office was about $20-$21 trillion. Obama started out his 1st term with about a $10 trillion debt. Now depending on what type of structure (loans etc) certain Covid19 stimuli had, some $$$ will be re-paid because they were structured as low interest loans.

As far as Trump adding to the debt in fighting covid19. What was the alternative? Tell Fauci, Birx, plus all the rest of the doctors and so called medical experts that they are wrong? As it turned out most of them were wrong about the projection models AFTER THE FACT!... BUT! In this case there was no way to know ahead of time what this virus was going to do or NOT DO. Had Trump not shut down the country, not halted travel to and from China, not halted travel to and from Europe, not halted travel to and from other countries, not implemented social distancing plus all the rest of what the doctors reco'd and instead basically continued as normal long before the virus had reached the top of the curve, would you then have been more comfortable with say 500,000 American deaths?, a million? two million? maybe more?

This virus was no hoax. Nevertheless in many ways this crises was and still is being overblown by the dems and media.

So lets assume that there was no stimulus $$$ made available to anyone. Not one $..... No help for small businesses, no help for big businesses, no help for any corporations such as airlines, cruise lines, hospitality related businesses, no help for any business that employs 1 person or thousands and no help for any individuals whatsoever.....So then what kind of an economy do you think we would have to go back to if little to no jobs are available because there was little to no business working capital for businesses to employ people?.......I will tell you. Had there not have been any govt stimulus in THIS case, any worthwhile economic recovery followed by steady positive growth, followed then to EXACTLY where we were before the virus,,, would have taken decades to rebound to the same economic status before the virus hit. A country's economic wealth is not built overnight or in a year or two.....

So while your concern for the debt is a good one, remember that in order for any robust economic recovery to occur, businesses and people must be solvent in order to employ people and solvent in order to be able to spend. Had there been no financial help for anyone, then you can bet that the cure would have been far more destructive than the disease itself due to a multitude multiplied by multiudes more of destructive societal after effects........
Originally Posted by TrueGrit
You can have Trump he sold the US out for a vote or money. He knew the China virus wasn't a real threat to the majority of US, and still shut the country down just to look good. During the greatest US economy the debt was out of control, now it's just unfathomable. Trump is still the best we have to choose from but you can sure tell he once was a dumocrat.


#nevertrumper
#brotherinoregon
Spot on.
Originally Posted by srwshooter
Where would be now had Hillary won?


Gun Bans, Gun Confiscation, More Uranium for Muslim’s and a lot more DEAD AMERICAN Soldiers. While Slick Willie and Jeffrey Epstein would have partied their ass off on the Island.
Originally Posted by 45_100
Originally Posted by bigsqueeze
Originally Posted by TrueGrit
You can have Trump he sold the US out for a vote or money. He knew the China virus wasn't a real threat to the majority of US, and still shut the country down just to look good. During the greatest US economy the debt was out of control, now it's just unfathomable. Trump is still the best we have to choose from but you can sure tell he once was a dumocrat.
..................Trump sold out for a vote or money?? Oh really?? Care to enlighten us??......So Trump shut down the country in order just to look good, thereby almost destroying an economy which he worked so hard to build up and get going?? Looking forward to reading how and what evidence you have that leads you to arrive at that conclusion....The debt can begin to be corrected and wittled down little by little IF congress after the economy gets moving again STOPS ITS SPENDING!...... But ya gotta blame Trump for decade after decade of needless and wasteful spending and piling on the debt, BEFORE he took office.

.







I am still wondering how Trump got roped into going along with this. Seems like it all happened so quickly there wasn't a lot of thought put into it. Can someone explain and leave out the emotion part?
.......See my last post above.......But I will also say this. Had there been NO depletion by the Obama administration of covid fighting PPE such as ventilators, masks plus all the rest of the PPE and if there had been full support by the dems, media, FDA and CDC for the immediate distribution of hydroxychloroquin and its mate drug azithromycin, then maybe a shut down would not have occurred or maybe a shutdown might have happened but to a far lesser degree than what we had....I do not believe that Trump was purposely duped or roped into a shut down. Instead, I believe he acted with caution and acted in order to NOT TAKE the chance in having far more deaths than we already have......Had he not acted with a shut down and travel bans, then perhaps hundreds of thousands and maybe even alot more into the millions would have died in the USA.......Back 3 months ago, there was no way to know what we know now. Trump was not going to take the chance.
Originally Posted by PJGunner
***Copied from a friend's page***
"Here is my position on Donald Trump:
Make no mistake...I'm not posting this for debate (for those of you that love to debate every political thing I post!). I don’t seek or need commentary. It's ok if you don't agree because we are all entitled to our own opinions.
Just consider this...when you think the President is a jerk; he is. He’s a New Yorker. He’s crude and he can be rude. He gets his feelings hurt and he’s a hothead. He hits back; harder. The media hates it when he tweets. Why? Because he gets information out that they don’t want to report.
Let me tell you what else:
He’s a guy that demands performance. If you don't work as hard as he does; you're fired!
He is a guy that asks lots of questions. The questions he asks aren’t cloaked in fancy “political” phrases; they are “why the hell...” questions.
For decades the health industry has thrown away billions of face masks after one use. Trump asked, “why the hell are we throwing them away? Why not sterilize them and use them numerous times?” They called him stupid. What are they doing now? Sterilizing face masks.
He’s the guy that gets hospital ships readied in one week when it would have taken bureaucrats weeks or months to get it done.
He’s the guy that gets temporary hospitals built in three days. They said no way he could do it.
He’s the guy that gets auto industries to restructure to build ventilators in a business that’s highly regulated by agencies that move like sloths.
He’s the guy that asks “why aren’t we using drugs that might work on people that are dying; what the hell do we have to lose?”
He’s the guy that restricted travel from China when the Democrats and liberal media were screaming “xenophobia” and “racist.” Now they’re wanting to know why didn't he react sooner?
He’s the guy that campaigned on securing the border - protecting America - in the face of screaming Democrats and the liberal media. (Both Clinton and Obama talked about a crisis at the border and Obama did some things to address the crisis, but they proved insufficient.) When Trump shut down borders in the midst of the coronavirus virus, they screamed louder. Then the rest of the world followed suit, including the European Union with travel between their member countries. His policy is always 'America First.' For many years we have complained about sending billions abroad, while Americans suffer here. He's minimized that outflow of money.
Has he made mistakes? Yes.
Everyone I know has and does.
The “experts” wouldn’t and haven’t done any better.
Does he change his mind? Yes, who doesn't?
Trump is working harder than I’ve ever seen a President work. Twenty-four-hour days. He isn’t hiding in his office; he’s out front - Briefing - every day.
When he offers hope, they say he’s lying and when he’s straight forward, they say he should be hopeful. It’s a no-win situation, with the MSM, but he will not be deterred.
I’ll take this kind of leadership six days a week and twice on Sunday over a “polished, nice guy” politician who reads prepared speeches from a teleprompter and answers pre-scripted questions.
He is my President.

Paul B.





Here is my position.

Without him in your corner at this current time you are fucked.
Originally Posted by JSTUART
Originally Posted by PJGunner
***Copied from a friend's page***
"Here is my position on Donald Trump:
Make no mistake...I'm not posting this for debate (for those of you that love to debate every political thing I post!). I don’t seek or need commentary. It's ok if you don't agree because we are all entitled to our own opinions.
Just consider this...when you think the President is a jerk; he is. He’s a New Yorker. He’s crude and he can be rude. He gets his feelings hurt and he’s a hothead. He hits back; harder. The media hates it when he tweets. Why? Because he gets information out that they don’t want to report.
Let me tell you what else:
He’s a guy that demands performance. If you don't work as hard as he does; you're fired!
He is a guy that asks lots of questions. The questions he asks aren’t cloaked in fancy “political” phrases; they are “why the hell...” questions.
For decades the health industry has thrown away billions of face masks after one use. Trump asked, “why the hell are we throwing them away? Why not sterilize them and use them numerous times?” They called him stupid. What are they doing now? Sterilizing face masks.
He’s the guy that gets hospital ships readied in one week when it would have taken bureaucrats weeks or months to get it done.
He’s the guy that gets temporary hospitals built in three days. They said no way he could do it.
He’s the guy that gets auto industries to restructure to build ventilators in a business that’s highly regulated by agencies that move like sloths.
He’s the guy that asks “why aren’t we using drugs that might work on people that are dying; what the hell do we have to lose?”
He’s the guy that restricted travel from China when the Democrats and liberal media were screaming “xenophobia” and “racist.” Now they’re wanting to know why didn't he react sooner?
He’s the guy that campaigned on securing the border - protecting America - in the face of screaming Democrats and the liberal media. (Both Clinton and Obama talked about a crisis at the border and Obama did some things to address the crisis, but they proved insufficient.) When Trump shut down borders in the midst of the coronavirus virus, they screamed louder. Then the rest of the world followed suit, including the European Union with travel between their member countries. His policy is always 'America First.' For many years we have complained about sending billions abroad, while Americans suffer here. He's minimized that outflow of money.
Has he made mistakes? Yes.
Everyone I know has and does.
The “experts” wouldn’t and haven’t done any better.
Does he change his mind? Yes, who doesn't?
Trump is working harder than I’ve ever seen a President work. Twenty-four-hour days. He isn’t hiding in his office; he’s out front - Briefing - every day.
When he offers hope, they say he’s lying and when he’s straight forward, they say he should be hopeful. It’s a no-win situation, with the MSM, but he will not be deterred.
I’ll take this kind of leadership six days a week and twice on Sunday over a “polished, nice guy” politician who reads prepared speeches from a teleprompter and answers pre-scripted questions.
He is my President.

Paul B.





Here is my position.

Without him in your corner at this current time you are fucked.
............That sums it up, unless of course you happen to be a flaming die hard Trump hating liberal....
I laughed my ass off when mouthbreathers were saying - uh i uh think colin powell would be a good presidents - WT-FK ??

Been saying for 25+ years STOP ELECTING POLITICIANS and finally we have a none politician at the helm -- GO TRUMP ! ! ! ! ! ! !

Look at the uproar the globalist are in -- they don't have a bought & paid for scumbag sitting in The White House .

PJGunner - good stuff .
Originally Posted by bigsqueeze
Originally Posted by TrueGrit
Originally Posted by bigsqueeze
Originally Posted by TrueGrit
You can have Trump he sold the US out for a vote or money. He knew the China virus wasn't a real threat to the majority of US, and still shut the country down just to look good. During the greatest US economy the debt was out of control, now it's just unfathomable. Trump is still the best we have to choose from but you can sure tell he once was a dumocrat.
..................Trump sold out for a vote or money?? Oh really?? Care to enlighten us??......So Trump shut down the country in order just to look good, thereby almost destroying an economy which he worked so hard to build up and get going?? Looking forward to reading how and what evidence you have that leads you to arrive at that conclusion....The debt can begin to be corrected and wittled down little by little IF congress after the economy gets moving again STOPS ITS SPENDING!...... But ya gotta blame Trump for decade after decade of needless and wasteful spending and piling on the debt, BEFORE he took office.

.






When the economy was the best in history the deficit was still going up at a record pace. Trump has added more to the debt than Obama.
https://youtu.be/UuOatLZPwgI
I believe 100% that Trump knew the China virus was a hoax and played along for some reason. If your old, fat or have other preexisting health issues the China flu is a real threat, why shut the country down to protect a few? And we see that they couldn't be protected any way. I'm all ears, why do you think Trump shut the country down?
........................Well the debt when Trump took office was about $20-$21 trillion. Obama started out his 1st term with about a $10 trillion debt. Now depending on what type of structure (loans etc) certain Covid19 stimuli had, some $$$ will be re-paid because they were structured as low interest loans.

As far as Trump adding to the debt in fighting covid19. What was the alternative? Tell Fauci, Birx, plus all the rest of the doctors and so called medical experts that they are wrong? As it turned out most of them were wrong about the projection models AFTER THE FACT!... BUT! In this case there was no way to know ahead of time what this virus was going to do or NOT DO. Had Trump not shut down the country, not halted travel to and from China, not halted travel to and from Europe, not halted travel to and from other countries, not implemented social distancing plus all the rest of what the doctors reco'd and instead basically continued as normal long before the virus had reached the top of the curve, would you then have been more comfortable with say 500,000 American deaths?, a million? two million? maybe more?

This virus was no hoax. Nevertheless in many ways this crises was and still is being overblown by the dems and media.

So lets assume that there was no stimulus $$$ made available to anyone. Not one $..... No help for small businesses, no help for big businesses, no help for any corporations such as airlines, cruise lines, hospitality related businesses, no help for any business that employs 1 person or thousands and no help for any individuals whatsoever.....So then what kind of an economy do you think we would have to go back to if little to no jobs are available because there was little to no business working capital for businesses to employ people?.......I will tell you. Had there not have been any govt stimulus in THIS case, any worthwhile economic recovery followed by steady positive growth, followed then to EXACTLY where we were before the virus,,, would have taken decades to rebound to the same economic status before the virus hit. A country's economic wealth is not built overnight or in a year or two.....

So while your concern for the debt is a good one, remember that in order for any robust economic recovery to occur, businesses and people must be solvent in order to employ people and solvent in order to be able to spend. Had there been no financial help for anyone, then you can bet that the cure would have been far more destructive than the disease itself due to a multitude multiplied by multiudes more of destructive societal after effects........

I still don't believe the China virus was a big to the majority of the people in the US of A. My family still doesn't know anyone who has died from the China virus, but at least we finally know two people that had the China virus. There's a lot of businesses that received no stimulus money. My guess is more stimulus money was stolen than made it to it's intended purpose. Why would someone sign a bill giving people on unemployment and welfare more money? Or give money to some of the dumocrats other pet projects? Was it for a vote or money?
Originally Posted by ol_mike
I laughed my ass off when mouthbreathers were saying - uh i uh think colin powell would be a good presidents - WT-FK ??

Been saying for 25+ years STOP ELECTING POLITICIANS and finally we have a none politician at the helm -- GO TRUMP ! ! ! ! ! ! !

Look at the uproar the globalist are in -- they don't have a bought & paid for scumbag sitting in The White House .

PJGunner - good stuff .

Trump has done some great things for the US of A, and it's great that the liberals and dumocrats hate him. If Trump would of left the country open like I believe he knew was the right call, the US would of been a lot better off.
Originally Posted by bigsqueeze
See my last post above.......But I will also say this. Had there been NO depletion by the Obama administration of covid fighting PPE such as ventilators, masks plus all the rest of the PPE and if there had been full support by the dems, media, FDA and CDC for the immediate distribution of hydroxychloroquin and its mate drug azithromycin, then maybe a shut down would not have occurred or maybe a shutdown might have happened but to a far lesser degree than what we had....I do not believe that Trump was purposely duped or roped into a shut down. Instead, I believe he acted with caution and acted in order to NOT TAKE the chance in having far more deaths than we already have......Had he not acted with a shut down and travel bans, then perhaps hundreds of thousands and maybe even alot more into the millions would have died in the USA.......Back 3 months ago, there was no way to know what we know now. Trump was not going to take the chance.


100 days ago, we could see what had happened in the Wuhan District, we could see what was starting to happen in Italy. We saw one infection turn into ten and then fifty. We saw infections sprout up, seemingly from nowhere, in NYC, in Seattle, in Cali.

ALL the experts predicted the growth of the Covid in the USA would mimic that of Italy.

When you are sitting in the seat of power, with the lives of 330 million people in your hands, you gotta listen to the people at the tops of their fields. You gotta err on the side of caution. And the absolute worst thing you can do when you have 100 million Democrats yapping and nipping at your heels, is nothing.

It was predicted from the moment Trump recommended shutdowns, "If this works like we hope it will, the people will scream it was never needed."

I have the greatest respect for our current President. I think he has made the absolute best of one of the worst crises this nation has faced. Half the nation hated him before he won the election, and now half of his previous supporters hate him for his response to the current health crises.

I can certainly not think of anyone else I would have rather had running this nation during the last four months, or the last three and a half years.
Originally Posted by TrueGrit
Originally Posted by bigsqueeze
Originally Posted by TrueGrit
Originally Posted by bigsqueeze
Originally Posted by TrueGrit
You can have Trump he sold the US out for a vote or money. He knew the China virus wasn't a real threat to the majority of US, and still shut the country down just to look good. During the greatest US economy the debt was out of control, now it's just unfathomable. Trump is still the best we have to choose from but you can sure tell he once was a dumocrat.
..................Trump sold out for a vote or money?? Oh really?? Care to enlighten us??......So Trump shut down the country in order just to look good, thereby almost destroying an economy which he worked so hard to build up and get going?? Looking forward to reading how and what evidence you have that leads you to arrive at that conclusion....The debt can begin to be corrected and wittled down little by little IF congress after the economy gets moving again STOPS ITS SPENDING!...... But ya gotta blame Trump for decade after decade of needless and wasteful spending and piling on the debt, BEFORE he took office.

.






When the economy was the best in history the deficit was still going up at a record pace. Trump has added more to the debt than Obama.
https://youtu.be/UuOatLZPwgI
I believe 100% that Trump knew the China virus was a hoax and played along for some reason. If your old, fat or have other preexisting health issues the China flu is a real threat, why shut the country down to protect a few? And we see that they couldn't be protected any way. I'm all ears, why do you think Trump shut the country down?
........................Well the debt when Trump took office was about $20-$21 trillion. Obama started out his 1st term with about a $10 trillion debt. Now depending on what type of structure (loans etc) certain Covid19 stimuli had, some $$$ will be re-paid because they were structured as low interest loans.

As far as Trump adding to the debt in fighting covid19. What was the alternative? Tell Fauci, Birx, plus all the rest of the doctors and so called medical experts that they are wrong? As it turned out most of them were wrong about the projection models AFTER THE FACT!... BUT! In this case there was no way to know ahead of time what this virus was going to do or NOT DO. Had Trump not shut down the country, not halted travel to and from China, not halted travel to and from Europe, not halted travel to and from other countries, not implemented social distancing plus all the rest of what the doctors reco'd and instead basically continued as normal long before the virus had reached the top of the curve, would you then have been more comfortable with say 500,000 American deaths?, a million? two million? maybe more?

This virus was no hoax. Nevertheless in many ways this crises was and still is being overblown by the dems and media.

So lets assume that there was no stimulus $$$ made available to anyone. Not one $..... No help for small businesses, no help for big businesses, no help for any corporations such as airlines, cruise lines, hospitality related businesses, no help for any business that employs 1 person or thousands and no help for any individuals whatsoever.....So then what kind of an economy do you think we would have to go back to if little to no jobs are available because there was little to no business working capital for businesses to employ people?.......I will tell you. Had there not have been any govt stimulus in THIS case, any worthwhile economic recovery followed by steady positive growth, followed then to EXACTLY where we were before the virus,,, would have taken decades to rebound to the same economic status before the virus hit. A country's economic wealth is not built overnight or in a year or two.....

So while your concern for the debt is a good one, remember that in order for any robust economic recovery to occur, businesses and people must be solvent in order to employ people and solvent in order to be able to spend. Had there been no financial help for anyone, then you can bet that the cure would have been far more destructive than the disease itself due to a multitude multiplied by multiudes more of destructive societal after effects........

I still don't believe the China virus was a big to the majority of the people in the US of A. My family still doesn't know anyone who has died from the China virus, but at least we finally know two people that had the China virus. There's a lot of businesses that received no stimulus money. My guess is more stimulus money was stolen than made it to it's intended purpose. Why would someone sign a bill giving people on unemployment and welfare more money? Or give money to some of the dumocrats other pet projects? Was it for a vote or money?
...............The virus was probably not a big deal to most Americans, but it could have been unless precautions were taken. Why take that chance? Your family and anyone within their circle of friends not exposed is a micro percentage of the entire USA population of some 330 million....Now whether any business stimulus $$$$ was stolen or not?? Well I have not read nor heard of any reports to that affect. I know that Harvard U received millions of $$$ that they were not entitled to and are giving it back. Other companies like Ruths Chris received I think $10 million and are giving it back......Most of demCRAPS pet project requests within the first stimulus bill were rejected.
Originally Posted by Idaho_Shooter
Originally Posted by bigsqueeze
See my last post above.......But I will also say this. Had there been NO depletion by the Obama administration of covid fighting PPE such as ventilators, masks plus all the rest of the PPE and if there had been full support by the dems, media, FDA and CDC for the immediate distribution of hydroxychloroquin and its mate drug azithromycin, then maybe a shut down would not have occurred or maybe a shutdown might have happened but to a far lesser degree than what we had....I do not believe that Trump was purposely duped or roped into a shut down. Instead, I believe he acted with caution and acted in order to NOT TAKE the chance in having far more deaths than we already have......Had he not acted with a shut down and travel bans, then perhaps hundreds of thousands and maybe even alot more into the millions would have died in the USA.......Back 3 months ago, there was no way to know what we know now. Trump was not going to take the chance.


100 days ago, we could see what had happened in the Wuhan District, we could see what was starting to happen in Italy. We saw one infection turn into ten and then fifty. We saw infections sprout up, seemingly from nowhere, in NYC, in Seattle, in Cali.

ALL the experts predicted the growth of the Covid in the USA would mimic that of Italy.

When you are sitting in the seat of power, with the lives of 330 million people in your hands, you gotta listen to the people at the tops of their fields. You gotta err on the side of caution. And the absolute worst thing you can do when you have 100 million Democrats yapping and nipping at your heels, is nothing.

It was predicted from the moment Trump recommended shutdowns, "If this works like we hope it will, the people will scream it was never needed."

I have the greatest respect for our current President. I think he has made the absolute best of one of the worst crises this nation has faced. Half the nation hated him before he won the election, and now half of his previous supporters hate him for his response to the current health crises.

I can certainly not think of anyone else I would have rather had running this nation during the last four months, or the last three and a half years.
..............Yup! I agree....
Originally Posted by TrueGrit
Originally Posted by ol_mike
I laughed my ass off when mouthbreathers were saying - uh i uh think colin powell would be a good presidents - WT-FK ??

Been saying for 25+ years STOP ELECTING POLITICIANS and finally we have a none politician at the helm -- GO TRUMP ! ! ! ! ! ! !

Look at the uproar the globalist are in -- they don't have a bought & paid for scumbag sitting in The White House .

PJGunner - good stuff .
If Trump would of left the country open like I believe he knew was the right call, the US would of been a lot better off.
...............You can go ahead and believe that, BUT BUT BUT,,,,,you cannot be 100% sure about that. The country could have been left open and a million or more people could have died too. There is just no way to be 100% sure.
Originally Posted by Idaho_Shooter
Originally Posted by bigsqueeze
See my last post above.......But I will also say this. Had there been NO depletion by the Obama administration of covid fighting PPE such as ventilators, masks plus all the rest of the PPE and if there had been full support by the dems, media, FDA and CDC for the immediate distribution of hydroxychloroquin and its mate drug azithromycin, then maybe a shut down would not have occurred or maybe a shutdown might have happened but to a far lesser degree than what we had....I do not believe that Trump was purposely duped or roped into a shut down. Instead, I believe he acted with caution and acted in order to NOT TAKE the chance in having far more deaths than we already have......Had he not acted with a shut down and travel bans, then perhaps hundreds of thousands and maybe even alot more into the millions would have died in the USA.......Back 3 months ago, there was no way to know what we know now. Trump was not going to take the chance.


100 days ago, we could see what had happened in the Wuhan District, we could see what was starting to happen in Italy. We saw one infection turn into ten and then fifty. We saw infections sprout up, seemingly from nowhere, in NYC, in Seattle, in Cali.

ALL the experts predicted the growth of the Covid in the USA would mimic that of Italy.

When you are sitting in the seat of power, with the lives of 330 million people in your hands, you gotta listen to the people at the tops of their fields. You gotta err on the side of caution. And the absolute worst thing you can do when you have 100 million Democrats yapping and nipping at your heels, is nothing.

It was predicted from the moment Trump recommended shutdowns, "If this works like we hope it will, the people will scream it was never needed."

I have the greatest respect for our current President. I think he has made the absolute best of one of the worst crises this nation has faced. Half the nation hated him before he won the election, and now half of his previous supporters hate him for his response to the current health crises.

I can certainly not think of anyone else I would have rather had running this nation during the last four months, or the last three and a half years.


Trump was damned if he did and damned if he didn’t shut the Country down over the CV-19 Scam.
The Commie Socialist DemoRat’s and the Fake News Media were going to do their damndest to hang this on him regardless of the outcome!

And with a LOT of BAD Advice and make believe statistics from Deep State Hillary Loving POS’s like Fauci, he did the best he could.

One of the best things I like about Trump is that he’s NOT a POS Politician! He does what he thinks is best for Americans and does not give a Schitt what the “polls” say. He “gives a schitt” about what’s best for Americans.

If Hillary or The Halfican would have been in charge during this Fiasco, America would have been Fuqked. They both did everything they could while holding office to DESTROY IT. 😡
© 24hourcampfire