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Posted By: DANNYL Looking for a Colt 1911 - 04/19/21
A friends wife is looking for a brand new colt 1911 and anyplace she looked is out of stock, I've looked some and found the same. Would need to be shipped here and any help would be appreciated. I don't know why it has to be a colt and I don't bother trying to understand a woman sometimes.
Posted By: EdM Re: Looking for a Colt 1911 - 04/19/21
These guys run a solid operation and this is a very nice piece. They are local.

https://adelbridge.com/product/colt-mk-iv-series-70-government-model-wiley-clapp-45acp/
Originally Posted by EdM
These guys run a solid operation and this is a very nice piece. They are local.

https://adelbridge.com/product/colt-mk-iv-series-70-government-model-wiley-clapp-45acp/


Most TX FFL Dealers Refuse to ship to NY and CA.
Doesnโ€™t seem to matter whether they legally can or not.
Posted By: DANNYL Re: Looking for a Colt 1911 - 04/19/21
Thanks I'll give them a call tomorrow.
Posted By: EdM Re: Looking for a Colt 1911 - 04/20/21
Originally Posted by chlinstructor
Originally Posted by EdM
These guys run a solid operation and this is a very nice piece. They are local.

https://adelbridge.com/product/colt-mk-iv-series-70-government-model-wiley-clapp-45acp/


Most TX FFL Dealers Refuse to ship to NY and CA.
Doesnโ€™t seem to matter whether they legally can or not.


All he can do is ask...
Originally Posted by EdM
These guys run a solid operation and this is a very nice piece. They are local.

https://adelbridge.com/product/colt-mk-iv-series-70-government-model-wiley-clapp-45acp/


The Wiley Clapp Colts are very nice pistols too. And I don't think they're making Wiley Clapps in the 5 inch model anymore either.
Sounds like a smart woman to me. Colt's had their ups and downs, but is making very good guns right now.
Posted By: RGK Re: Looking for a Colt 1911 - 04/20/21
The Wiley Clapp Colt is a nice pistola.
Bob

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Posted By: DANNYL Re: Looking for a Colt 1911 - 04/20/21
Thats sweet
Posted By: 1911a1 Re: Looking for a Colt 1911 - 04/21/21
Originally Posted by RGK
The Wiley Clapp Colt is a nice pistola.
Bob

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I agree, one heck of a pistola!

If that one were mine I'd put a Wilson bullet proof single thumb safety to go with the bulletproof slide lock you have. I ride the safety is why. That's exactly what I have on my re-issue series 70 that I sent back to Colt for a Model O package. I also have a Wilson BP mag release. I wish now I would have had the front strap checkered, just didn't have the coin.
Posted By: Gibby Re: Looking for a Colt 1911 - 04/21/21
I carry the Wiley LW Commander in various holsters depending what I'm doing and where I'm at. I like the thumb safety ol' Wiley picked for his design. My thumb is there all the time. One of my favorite carry 1911.

That's saying something since I'm up to owning 57 of the damn things.
Originally Posted by Gibby
I carry the Wiley LW Commander in various holsters depending what I'm doing and where I'm at. I like the thumb safety ol' Wiley picked for his design. My thumb is there all the time. One of my favorite carry 1911.

That's saying something since I'm up to owning 57 of the damn things.
Wow!
Posted By: RGK Re: Looking for a Colt 1911 - 04/21/21
Originally Posted by EthanEdwards
Originally Posted by Gibby
I carry the Wiley LW Commander in various holsters depending what I'm doing and where I'm at. I like the thumb safety ol' Wiley picked for his design. My thumb is there all the time. One of my favorite carry 1911.

That's saying something since I'm up to owning 57 of the damn things.
Wow!



You can never have too many Colt 1911s.
Bob
Posted By: GunGeek Re: Looking for a Colt 1911 - 04/21/21
Originally Posted by Gibby
That's saying something since I'm up to owning 57 of the damn things.
57 flavors of 1911...Like Heinz..or is that Baskin Robbins...I don't know!! That's just PROPER!
Go to Buds and order yourself a mid 1960s production Colt Government Model like mine. Make sure to ask for the optional real elephant ivory grips. grin

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Originally Posted by RGK
The Wiley Clapp Colt is a nice pistola.
Bob

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I like how they use the retro, pre-1950 style, thumb safety. I happen to like that style, and the post-1950 style, too. Never saw the need for the extended style that became so popular since about 1980. I can take or leave them.

Also, good choice on the replacement grips. Much classier than the factory ones.

My only criticism in terms of style, is the angled slide serrations. Might be slightly superior for actual manipulation, but I prefer the traditional vertical serrations.
Posted By: local_dirt Re: Looking for a Colt 1911 - 04/21/21
Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
Go to Buds and order yourself a mid 1960s production Colt Government Model like mine. Make sure to ask for the optional real elephant ivory grips. grin

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That's one heck of a handgun right there.
Posted By: local_dirt Re: Looking for a Colt 1911 - 04/21/21
Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
Originally Posted by RGK
The Wiley Clapp Colt is a nice pistola.
Bob

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I like how they use the retro, pre-1950 style, thumb safety. I happen to like that style, and the post-1950 style, too. Never saw the need for the extended style that became so popular since about 1980. I can take or leave them.

Also, good choice on the replacement grips. Much classier than the factory ones.

My only criticism in terms of style, is the angled slide serrations. Might be slightly superior for actual manipulation, but I prefer the traditional vertical serrations.





Those new grips look like VZ's.
Posted By: RGK Re: Looking for a Colt 1911 - 04/21/21
Originally Posted by local_dirt
Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
Originally Posted by RGK
The Wiley Clapp Colt is a nice pistola.
Bob

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I like how they use the retro, pre-1950 style, thumb safety. I happen to like that style, and the post-1950 style, too. Never saw the need for the extended style that became so popular since about 1980. I can take or leave them.

Also, good choice on the replacement grips. Much classier than the factory ones.

My only criticism in terms of style, is the angled slide serrations. Might be slightly superior for actual manipulation, but I prefer the traditional vertical serrations.





Those new grips look like VZ's.


Yes, they are. I think they're called black cherry or something. Mucho better than the stock ones.
Bob
Posted By: RGK Re: Looking for a Colt 1911 - 04/21/21
Speaking of Colts...a series 80 isn't a bad choice, if you find a good used one. This is a Gold Cup Trophy, with a few mods.
Bob

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Posted By: MontanaMan Re: Looking for a Colt 1911 - 04/22/21
Used or a new one on something like GB or GA is the only way anyone's going to find a Colt right now.

MM
RGK, I just saw some of your pieces in the Gun Porn thread plus what you have here... you got some nice ones. Great taste.

I always enjoy what Real Hawkeye posts up too.
Posted By: RGK Re: Looking for a Colt 1911 - 04/22/21
Originally Posted by copperking81
RGK, I just saw some of your pieces in the Gun Porn thread plus what you have here... you got some nice ones. Great taste.


Thanks!
Bob
Posted By: Gibby Re: Looking for a Colt 1911 - 04/22/21
Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
Go to Buds and order yourself a mid 1960s production Colt Government Model like mine. Make sure to ask for the optional real elephant ivory grips. grin

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Perfect!!

Demands a real nice holster.
Posted By: Gibby Re: Looking for a Colt 1911 - 04/22/21
Speaking of holsters. God had something to do with the same holster fitting 1911's and the Browning Hi Power. JB was just the messenger.
Posted By: jorgeI Re: Looking for a Colt 1911 - 04/22/21
Originally Posted by local_dirt
Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
Go to Buds and order yourself a mid 1960s production Colt Government Model like mine. Make sure to ask for the optional real elephant ivory grips. grin

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That's one heck of a handgun right there.

Yep, any other gun is just,,,,second place...
Thanks. It's also a great shooter, and completely reliable, even with modern defensive ammo.
Posted By: EdM Re: Looking for a Colt 1911 - 04/22/21
Originally Posted by MontanaMan
Used or a new one on something like GB or GA is the only way anyone's going to find a Colt right now.

MM


I posted one above that my LGS has and they have several more.
Posted By: DANNYL Re: Looking for a Colt 1911 - 04/22/21
Needs to be new and you're right about the auction's being the only place to find one.
Posted By: MontanaMan Re: Looking for a Colt 1911 - 04/22/21
Originally Posted by EdM
Originally Posted by MontanaMan
Used or a new one on something like GB or GA is the only way anyone's going to find a Colt right now.

MM


I posted one above that my LGS has and they have several more.


I missed that & it's a nice piece at a fair price, but it's not new & that site is not dramatically different than GB.

If the OP wants a nice gun, they should jump on that & the price is fair.

MM
Posted By: DANNYL Re: Looking for a Colt 1911 - 04/22/21
Ed I checked their inventory and didn't find any new.
Posted By: MontanaMan Re: Looking for a Colt 1911 - 04/22/21
Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
completely reliable, even with modern defensive ammo.


If that's a '60's vintage gun, it probably does not have a throated barrel, but at any rate, today's SD ammo, like Federal HST's & Speer Gold Dots feed much better than the SD ammo of that period................by a whole lot. Even better than most SD ammo from 15-20 years ago.

Try feeding Super Vel (the original high performance SD ammo) in a non-throated barrel for example.

MM
Posted By: EdM Re: Looking for a Colt 1911 - 04/22/21
Originally Posted by DANNYL
Ed I checked their inventory and didn't find any new.


Their web page only shows their 50 most recent arrivals. I'd call them.
Posted By: RGK Re: Looking for a Colt 1911 - 04/22/21
Originally Posted by Gibby
Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
Go to Buds and order yourself a mid 1960s production Colt Government Model like mine. Make sure to ask for the optional real elephant ivory grips. grin

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Perfect!!

Demands a real nice holster.


1931 Colt Government .45, El Paso leather. Still a good one.
Bob

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Posted By: Gibby Re: Looking for a Colt 1911 - 04/23/21
Yes it is.
Posted By: alukban Re: Looking for a Colt 1911 - 04/23/21
That is just super classy smile
Originally Posted by RGK


1931 Colt Government .45, El Paso leather. Still a good one.
Bob

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Sweet!
Posted By: SS336 Re: Looking for a Colt 1911 - 04/23/21
That is a beautiful 1911. Like the two tone magazine and holster too!๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘
Originally Posted by SS336
That is a beautiful 1911. Like the two tone magazine and holster too!๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘

The two tone mags are from when they would do a final heat hardening of the top half of the magazines after the blueing was applied.
Posted By: RGK Re: Looking for a Colt 1911 - 04/24/21
If I were buying new and wanted just one Colt 1911, I'd pick a new series 70 Colt National Match Gold Cup. Excellent adjustable sights, no FPS, decent triggers (usually) out of the box. I'd have my bud Justin McMillan tune the trigger (4 lbs), add a snug bushing and I'd be happy. Colt is making probably the best 1911s ever now.
Bob

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Posted By: local_dirt Re: Looking for a Colt 1911 - 04/24/21
Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
Originally Posted by RGK


1931 Colt Government .45, El Paso leather. Still a good one.
Bob

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Sweet!




Bob, where did you find that original dipped magazine?

I need one for my 1918.
Posted By: ratsmacker Re: Looking for a Colt 1911 - 04/24/21
I tripped over a new Colt Defender yesterday at Brandenburg Guns, here in Kentucky, for $1066, but who'd want a pistol without any sights? I think it's a poorly conceived idea, but it was there, and unused. The tag said "new".

Their phone number is available on Lipsey's dealer site for Kentucky gun dealers. Dunno if they do mail-order (internet orders) or not, but you can call and find out.

It's a nice little shop, with a lot of various "stuff" both hunting stuff and black rifles, too. Hard to believe I lived so close and didn't know about it until I tripped over it on the Lipsey's site.
Originally Posted by RGK
If I were buying new and wanted just one Colt 1911, I'd pick a new series 70 Colt National Match Gold Cup. Excellent adjustable sights, no FPS, decent triggers (usually) out of the box. I'd have my bud Justin McMillan tune the trigger (4 lbs), add a snug bushing and I'd be happy. Colt is making probably the best 1911s ever now.
Bob

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A new Colt NM Gold Cup has been atop my most wanted list a good bit. They're hard to find right now and when they do come up, they're way above MSRP.
Posted By: RGK Re: Looking for a Colt 1911 - 04/24/21
Originally Posted by local_dirt
Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
Originally Posted by RGK


1931 Colt Government .45, El Paso leather. Still a good one.
Bob

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Sweet!




Bob, where did you find that original dipped magazine?

I need one for my 1918.


Colt Forum. It's a hit or miss thing. They're not cheap. Mine was $250.00. Good luck!
Bob
Posted By: local_dirt Re: Looking for a Colt 1911 - 04/24/21
Originally Posted by RGK
Originally Posted by local_dirt
Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
Originally Posted by RGK


1931 Colt Government .45, El Paso leather. Still a good one.
Bob

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Sweet!




Bob, where did you find that original dipped magazine?

I need one for my 1918.


Colt Forum. It's a hit or miss thing. They're not cheap. Mine was $250.00. Good luck!
Bob





Haha. Yeah. That's why I was asking. Worth more per oz than gold. Lol.
Originally Posted by local_dirt

Haha. Yeah. That's why I was asking. Worth more per oz than gold. Lol.

Yep. Original S&W revolver grips are getting there, too. Back when I was first getting into handguns, folks would routinely take off the S&W grips and stick them in some drawer and forget about them (mostly later to be lost for good) in order to get a set of Pachmayrs, or some other kind of aftermarket grips, on the gun. Today, those grips in reasonable condition are going for hundreds of dollars.
Posted By: local_dirt Re: Looking for a Colt 1911 - 04/24/21
Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
Originally Posted by local_dirt

Haha. Yeah. That's why I was asking. Worth more per oz than gold. Lol.

Yep. Original S&W revolver grips are getting there, too. Back when I was first getting into handguns, folks would routinely take off the S&W grips and stick them in some drawer and forget about them (mostly later to be lost for good) in order to get a set of Pachmayrs, or some other kind of aftermarket grips, on the gun. Today, those grips in reasonable condition are going for hundreds of dollars.





e.g:

https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbt...ds-up-for-s-w-revolver-fans#Post16023770


Click the link to the ad on the S&W forum.

Those N frame finger groove combats are getting way pricey. This guy is "only" asking $275. See them on ebay or elsewhere all the time for $325.
Posted By: jorgeI Re: Looking for a Colt 1911 - 04/24/21
Originally Posted by RGK
If I were buying new and wanted just one Colt 1911, I'd pick a new series 70 Colt National Match Gold Cup. Excellent adjustable sights, no FPS, decent triggers (usually) out of the box. I'd have my bud Justin McMillan tune the trigger (4 lbs), add a snug bushing and I'd be happy. Colt is making probably the best 1911s ever now.
Bob

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There's just nothing better out there than a Colt...
Posted By: MontanaMan Re: Looking for a Colt 1911 - 05/01/21
Originally Posted by jorgeI
Originally Posted by RGK
If I were buying new and wanted just one Colt 1911, I'd pick a new series 70 Colt National Match Gold Cup. Excellent adjustable sights, no FPS, decent triggers (usually) out of the box. I'd have my bud Justin McMillan tune the trigger (4 lbs), add a snug bushing and I'd be happy. Colt is making probably the best 1911s ever now.
Bob

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There's just nothing better out there than a Colt...


Jorge, my friend...............you've led a very sheltered life if you really & truly believe that.

While I like Colt's & have a couple (out of more than a dozen), including a mint '70 Series GC that I would never part with, but in the world of 1911's, the only thing special about a Colt is the name.

Pick up a nicely fitted Wilson, Nighthawk, Guncrafter, or even some high end SA's, etc., & feel the way that the slide moves as if it was on ball bearings & the way it goes into battery like safe door locking..............no Colt ever made, of any vintage has that same feel & lockup w/o a lot of TLC being put into it by a skilled craftsman.

So. no, in reality, there are lots of guns available today that are better than Colt.

Here's a couple of examples.......................One older, one newer.

MM

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Posted By: RGK Re: Looking for a Colt 1911 - 05/01/21
Originally Posted by MontanaMan
Originally Posted by jorgeI
Originally Posted by RGK
If I were buying new and wanted just one Colt 1911, I'd pick a new series 70 Colt National Match Gold Cup. Excellent adjustable sights, no FPS, decent triggers (usually) out of the box. I'd have my bud Justin McMillan tune the trigger (4 lbs), add a snug bushing and I'd be happy. Colt is making probably the best 1911s ever now.
Bob

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There's just nothing better out there than a Colt...


Jorge, my friend...............you've led a very sheltered life if you really & truly believe that.

While I like Colt's & have a couple (out of more than a dozen), including a mint '70 Series GC that I would never part with, but in the world of 1911's, the only thing special about a Colt is the name.

Pick up a nicely fitted Wilson, Nighthawk, Guncrafter, or even some high end SA's, etc., & feel the way that the slide moves as if it was on ball bearings & the way it goes into battery like safe door locking..............no Colt ever made, of any vintage has that same feel & lockup w/o a lot of TLC being put into it by a skilled craftsman.

So. no, in reality, there are lots of guns available today that are better than Colt.

Here's a couple of examples.......................One older, one newer.

MM

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Apples and oranges. The Nighthawks, Baers and Wilsons are hand-assembled, semi-customs. Nice guns. So is a hand-fitted, accurized Colt. I'll put any of my tuned Colts against the newer stuff, any day. A little rail lapping makes any semi auto glide along like it's on ball bearings. Standard-issue Colts tend to be somewhat looser, by design. Lots of rounds downrange helps, too.
Bob

Army-accurized 1911A1. Mucho-smooth and winner of dozens of matches
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New Colt, 25 yd rapid fire. Box-stock
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50 yds, 10 shots, machine rest
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Posted By: MontanaMan Re: Looking for a Colt 1911 - 05/01/21
Originally Posted by RGK
Originally Posted by MontanaMan
Originally Posted by jorgeI
Originally Posted by RGK
If I were buying new and wanted just one Colt 1911, I'd pick a new series 70 Colt National Match Gold Cup. Excellent adjustable sights, no FPS, decent triggers (usually) out of the box. I'd have my bud Justin McMillan tune the trigger (4 lbs), add a snug bushing and I'd be happy. Colt is making probably the best 1911s ever now.
Bob



There's just nothing better out there than a Colt...


Jorge, my friend...............you've led a very sheltered life if you really & truly believe that.

While I like Colt's & have a couple (out of more than a dozen), including a mint '70 Series GC that I would never part with, but in the world of 1911's, the only thing special about a Colt is the name.

Pick up a nicely fitted Wilson, Nighthawk, Guncrafter, or even some high end SA's, etc., & feel the way that the slide moves as if it was on ball bearings & the way it goes into battery like safe door locking..............no Colt ever made, of any vintage has that same feel & lockup w/o a lot of TLC being put into it by a skilled craftsman.

So. no, in reality, there are lots of guns available today that are better than Colt.

Here's a couple of examples.......................One older, one newer.

MM

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Apples and oranges. The Nighthawks, Baers and Wilsons are hand-assembled, semi-customs. Nice guns. So is a hand-fitted, accurized Colt. Seems like I said that in my post; seen lots of nice worked over Colts, from numerous sources, but they didn't come that way. I'll put any of my tuned Colts against the newer stuff, any day. A little rail lapping makes any semi auto glide along like it's on ball bearings. Standard-issue Colts tend to be somewhat looser, by design. IMHO, reworking a gun never quite gives it the feel that doing it correctly from the git-go does, YMMV, & everything is not always about shooting tiny groups Lots of rounds downrange helps, too.
Bob




However, I will say that the best shooting gun I've ever owned, as far as accuracy goes, was a reworked Colt softball gun with a heavy slide & a 414 barrel...........it would shoot 3.2 gr of BE all day & group 10 shots into 1.5" from a Ransom with (no longer attainable) Win Super Match 185's.

But being "The Best" isn't just all about match or 50 yd accuracy either.

Self defense & EDC's don't need to be 1.5" 50 yard guns to be highly effective in that role & most are not; accuracy is always good, but past some point, it begins to be moot for non-match competitive guns. There are way more 1911 used for purposes other than match shooting that there are ones that are.

But Jorge's comment was that there's not a better 1911 out there than a Colt, which, today, is just not true.

But to each his own, as beauty is sometimes in the eye of the beholder.

MM
Posted By: Gibby Re: Looking for a Colt 1911 - 05/01/21
There are a lot of 1911's out there that rattle, but shoot great.

I have a few Wilsons. I like my Colts better. My top three shooters are Colts.
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