I ventured into the 10mm this summer. I wanted a higher capacity woods carry gun than my single action, 5 shot Rugers (45 colt, 480 Ruger). I bought a ROCK island Rock series 10mm with a 5" barrel. I ran several hundred 'standard' rounds through it. I bought some Underwood 220 hard cast, supposedly running 1200 ft/sec.

I was wondering how much recoil these had. Reading reviews on line I was expecting something 44 mag-ish. I think they are more 44 special-ish in the recoil department. I ran a couple over my chrono and they clocked 1184 and 1180 10 feet from the barrel. They were also fairly accurate. Put 3 in a 2" bullseye from 30 feet. I figured this is the max distance I'd be encountering anything that need persuaded be it 2 or 4 legged.

I'd bet the 220 hard cast would work on deer quite well. I have several doe tags this year and could get one within 25 yards pretty easily. Might try that.

All told, I really like the 10mm. Recoil isnt as bad as some make it out to be. Far less than my current loads in my 45 colt (300 gr hard cast) or 480 (375/400 gr hard cast). 1200 ft/sec with a 220 grain hard cast is pretty potent. I can put 1, some times 2, more 9mm on target than the 10mm but really like bigger, fatter slugs. I find the 1911 platform a pleasant surprise as well. I like the combo - alot. I might need to investigate a shorter barrel 10. Just because.

Rock on.

Life is too short just to play with one caliber and one platform, keep the economy spinning....

The 10mm's legendary recoil is just that...…………….legend.

My constant companion is a G29. My wife and kids enjoy shooting it as much as I do.

There's whiners, wussies and girlie men everywhere.

This matches my experience with my G20 and G29. Also with the smaller CCW 9mm's, like the Kahr CM9 and the G26. They just don't seem to recoil like everyone claims they do. Maybe it's a function of being semi auto and spreading out the recoil impulse or something. Or maybe it's all the years of shooting 44 mags and 45 Colts loaded to the hilt, has just numbed my hands.....

On the Outdoor Channel, Razor Dobbs used his 10mm Kimber auto to take three different cape buffalo in two different episodes. He used Buffalo Bore ammo and a 220 grain bullet, according to the tv show. They showed bullet recovery from the cape buffalo at just under the skin on the off side.

This much I know for sure and certain. My 40-65 Sharps, shooting a 250 grain flatnosed Lyman bullet over 58 grains of 2f blackpowder will shoot all the way through a 5 inch diameter sweet gum tree at 50 yards, and a deer or hog won't hold the bullet to 200 yards. That is also a 10mm bullet. I would say you are in good shape with your gun/load combination.

I have used a lot of different 10mms pistols and revolvers on deer and pigs with everything from 175 gr Silvertips to DoubleTaps 200 and 220 gr hard cast loads. They all work but the 200 gr DoubleTapbloads have proved to be the most accurate and will go through both shoulders and anchor a deer on the spot

Ted Nugent used a 10mm to down a Cape Buffalo he wounded with archery gear. He thought the buffalo was down but as he walked up on it the bull got up and began to swing toward him. Nugent shot it several times and killed it. Remember the snowmobile incident where the moose was on the trail and the snowmobile crowded it? The moose began to stomp the idiot snowmobile operator and the guy shot the moose off him with a 10mm. As far as I know the 10mm is the best combination of easily controlled power that is readily available in factory semi auto handguns and ammunition.

After also hearing all the hype re: the 10mm, I was pretty surprised at the non-abusive recoil of my Glock 40 10mm.

It's pretty much a pussycat compared to shooting some of my .45 Colt revolvers with stout loads.

The ten is a great caliber. It is better then a .357, .40 and an ACP. But like every gun it is bullet choice.

I'm going on three years with the 10mm and it is a great round. Can't say I care for the G20 or 29 but the 40 is a great gun...

Have three 1911s, a 6" PARA Elite LS Hunter (that is now the Remington Hunter), Kimber Stainless Target II and a RIA Combat Commander size gun...can't recall what model it is. The RIA was half the price of the other two and shoots just as well. ZERO failure to cycle and very accurate. Trigger pull out out of the box is 4# 10 oz. and weighs 39.3 oz.... Great adjustable rear sight and FO front...

I've settled on two weights ranges...155/165 jacketed/cast and 200 hardcast. If I can't get it done with that I'l go to a .41 Magnum with heavies...

Bob

To me, the Glock handles recoil better than the metal framed guns. I remember a Colt Delta 10 mm having a stout kick. My Glock 40 seems more pleasant to shoot than that Colt. It holds more rounds, too.

The Colt trigger is better, but I'm getting used to the Glock, had a trigger job which helps some. Nothing will make the Glock trigger anywhere as good as the Colt. Overall, I'll stick with the Glock. Mine has 7" KKM barrel and RMR with Trijicon suppressor sights, tall enough to co-witness the RMR. I find it faster finding the red dot.

DF

DF, I Like that.

Sweet Jesus Vic, you have helped me with 45 Super in Gods pistol and now you like a Block???
I am shocked and dismayed 😩

I like the changes, very business-like.

I would have to put a hammer on it, though.....

I’ve yet to catch a bullet from the Buffalo Bore 220 gr Hard Cast Factory Load in any deer or feral hogs here at the Ranch. I’ve used it in my Glock 20 and Kimber 1911 quite a bit and it’s a deer & hog killing SOB.

I usually carry the Glock 20 loaded with 16 rounds of that load when bow hunting the Lower 48 where bears are known to hang out. It gives me that warm fuzzy feeling 🤠

Good info on the deer killing capability of the hard cast launched from a 10mm.

I dont see many short barrel 10mm, other than the EAA. Must be a slide velocity thing.

How accurate are your 10mms? I didnt shoot the 220s past 10 yards but think I could keep them in a 4" circle out to 25-30 yards. In my hands I doubt it's a 50 yard gun.

My 10mm Colt Delta is Great!

This thread is of great interest to me. For about the last 20 years I've spent a week elk hunting in northwest Wy (Yellowstone area) each fall and often spend another week in the summer just riding the trails. The running count of grizzly sightings is 47 with probably another 20 or so black bears (don't keep track of those). I've never had a bad experience with the bears but I try to be very careful. My sidearm has been a single action 44 mag. I'm seriously thinking of going with a 10mm - probably a Glock 20. I'd like to hear opinions and experiences regarding bullet choices. Is the 220 gr hard cast Buffalo Bore the way to go? Is there a good jacketed bullet that should be considered?

You're right, it is great, as are the 1911 clones. I like some of the high end clones better than the Colt, have both, although not in 10mm.

The Glock isn't pretty, but the Gen 4 with a smaller grip, handles pretty well and IME, has less perceived recoil than the 1911 pattern guns. And Glocks hold more rounds.

DF

Hmmm...And here I thought you had gone the Sig route.

Maybe a different regular poster.

I have a SIG .45, Good gun.

DF

My porous memory strikes again. Best to you.

Who is complaining about 10mm recoil? Not sure I've ever seen that here.

The relatively mild recoil of a semi-auto 10mm is one of it's big selling points compared to most traditional "woods gun" revolvers.

Not complaining, just saying that IME, the Glock 10mm has less recoil than the metal framed 1911's.

I have no problem shooting them, but it is what is is.

With that terrible trigger, the Glock should have some redeeming merit...



DF

I've been going about it from the other direction. My first (doubt it's the last) 10mm is the Ruger GP100. I don;t doubt that the recoil from some 10mm autos may be softer, but I have found the 220gr Underwood load (which is essentially the same as the BB 220gr) to be almost pleasant even in the revolver. Currently working up a load with the 200gr Montana Bullets LBT. Some auto users have reported cycling problems with that slug, but I don't anticipate any.

Sorry I wasn't referring to your comments, my experience matches yours there; my long slide Glock 10mm is the most pleasant and controllable of all the "woods guns" I've had or used, and the standard G20 is not too far behind.

My comments were directed to the OP and his expectation of 44 Mag recoil levels.

Yeah, those big revolvers do kick a bit.

I have several .44 Mag and strong frame .45 Colt revolvers. Don't see the need for a 10mm wheel gun.

DF

I really only fired my G29 off of bags on a bench one time, soon after I got it. It put the entire mag (forgive me, but I don't recall which loading....... possibly 175 Silvertips) into 5" at 50 yards. I have since done the trigger. But my eyes are about 20 years older, too........ At this point, the gun is considerably more accurate than the operator. Milk jugs, however, are still in SOME danger at 100 yards. Not much. But some. 😁

Ditto here. I had mine out for the first time last week. Felt like it recoiled less than my M610 and Ruger Buckeye. I need to mount my optics still.

What's that grip?

If you install RMR, get Trijicon suppressor sights, high enough to co-witness the red dot. Much faster finding the dot, IME.

If the Glock has a good trigger, it would be about ideal. Oh well...

DF

My Springfield XDM isn't bad at all with 180gr/1,250fps ammo. I need to get some 200gr hardcast to try out.

Those are good guns. I have a 9mm Springfield target 1911 in SS, great gun.

I'd love to have a Glock 40 with a 1911 trigger.

Unfortunately....

DF

LOL, I have an all steel DW 5" 10mm, it is indeed a pleasure to shoot, a hard hitting pussycat, haven't ran any heavy hardcasts in it yet, but 200gr XTP's from 1200 to 1241 fps are a piece of cake, haven't shot a Glock 10mm so no comment.

Local shop did the tweak of the grip. I am not a fan of finger grooves on any handgun. I like it. The trigger is a Zev and works just fine.

We need a 6" barrel for deer so I ended up going with the EAA Witness Hunter. Never been a fan of Glocks but haven't tried any of the recent evolution's. I REALLY like this pistol. Very good trigger and the grip shape just seems to soak up recoil compared to a 1911. I'm seriously considering a smaller 4" barrel version for CCW.

Funny but true 😁.......Hb

Haven't had any problem with recoil on my G20. I was rather surprised with how manageable it was when I first got it.

Did some modifications that better suit me-KKM barrel undercut the trigger guard and got rid of the finger grooves. Much better.

Up next is a ZEV trigger. Absolutely love the one in my ZEV OZ-9 and I've got one in a G19.

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Nice looking peestol!

The heaviest I ever shot was 200 grainers, recoil is bad at all. The 20 disperses recoil rather well.

Team Never Quit 125 grain frangibles are absolutely fun to shoot ( I carried them while working as an armed guard).

my Glock 40 is a twin to Local Dirt's pistol. I find it easy to shoot, and the RMR sight is a dandy. Mine is set up for night hog hunting, with the Streamlight white light. I have been using the Hornady SP 180 grain .load.

Early 90s I was the patrol sergeant/firearms instructor for a 50-man Sheriff's Dept. I carried an accurized 1945 Ithaca 1911A1 45 and one of my top shooters had a Colt Delta 10mm. We shot some IPSC and run and gun matches at the local club, which also hosted our qualifications.

Anyhow we switched guns back and forth occasionally and I couldn't tell enough difference in recoil to matter. And we were both running loads toward top end of reloading data available at the time.

I've really got an itch for a G40! Might have to get that itch scratched! Always used big revolvers, the bigger the better... but I got that itch!

180s out of a Sig Legion will git 'er done. I find the recoil very manageable with the P220 10MM, and much easier on the wrist than .44 Mag.

Would you want expansion when shooting deer? A bigger hole means a greater likelihood of DRT or a bigger blood trail. How about self defense rounds that are designed to expand in soft targets!

The .41 Special!!!

Nice job on the Deer..

Mike

I have an EEA witnsess and a XDM with a Powder river trigger. Love them both!

Once you have a 10mm handgun you need to get a Mech Tech carbine conversion for it. Then the fun begins!
I have been a 10mm fan from the start
I currently have the first 10mm I bought, a Springfield Linkless, along with others I have purchased over the years, Delta Elite, Double Eagle, 5” barreled 610, G20, Dan Wesson RZ-10 and Mech Tech conversions for 1911 and G20.

BUT I have only used any of them on small game and mostly paper. Never hogs or deer

Hard to beat the Sig 22X series... simple operation, great reliability, good ergos and a nice SA trigger. I sprung an old 220 heavy a few years ago and ran some 450 Triton through it, shot great,

http://www.thesixgunjournal.net/the-sig-p220-45-auto/