I live in Illinois (I know, I hate the state and politics, but I love my job) and Illinois is finally allowing centerfire rifles for deer hunting next year. The rules and specifications are listed on their website. I would like to use the 350 Legend in the Ruger American Ranch but there will need to be a fix to use it.
In short, there are limited possibilities for cartridges (350 Legend works) BUT it must be a single shot, including "modified" guns. So you could have a bolt action if you could modify it to be a single shot. Regulations say:
"Modification of a rifle originally manufactured as a repeater (a lever action/bolt action/pump action/semi-automatic, etc.) to a single shot can take many forms, including but not limited to:
- not having the detachable magazine in possession or close proximity,
- removing internal magazine springs and followers,
- using a plug to block the magazine tube,
- purchasing “0 round” magazines,
- or modifying the receiver or internal magazine of the rifle.
Hunters may not be in possession of or in close proximity to a magazine that is capable of making a rifle not a single-shot firearm."
Does anyone know if there are "0 round magazines" for the Ruger? Could you make one? Any other ideas?
I would prefer this route because I could also use the original magazine for other uses. I could buy a CVA single shot but am wanting to find another way.
Just don't have the magazine with you as the reg states.
Epoxy or JB Weld a magazine so it can’t be loaded.
Trying to figure out the downside of not having a magazone in the rifle. Keep It Simple Stupid seems to apply
I’m trying to figure out quick follow up shots without a magazine.
Use a metal mag, disassemble and put a block in it so it will only take one round, reassemble, carry several.
Use a metal mag, disassemble and put a block in it so it will only take one round, reassemble, carry several.
Then you have a 2 shooter. 1 in the pipe and one in the mag.
I’m trying to figure out quick follow up shots without a magazine.
Same as with a 0 round mag. Drop one in the chamber and close the bolt.
If it was mine I'd take a mag, remove follower and spring, and then find a way to fix the follower in place at the top of the mag. Options would include pinning it, or fixing a block inside the mag to hold the follower in place at the top of the mag. That way, when you want to load a round, you simply drop it onto the follower and close the bolt. It will beat having to feed the round into the chamber with no mag in place and nothing to support it, especially when you might be in a hurry, and perhaps wearing gloves.
Waters rifleman offers single shot blocks for various rifle, I believe for Ruger American.
https://www.watersrifleman.com/srlb/
Ruger shows it uses AR magazines. Is that correct? If so, here's a single shot sled and I'm sure there are others.
https://www.mkmachining.com/product/ar-15-single-shot-sled/
I'd buy a CVA. I have the Ruger Ranch in .300 BLK, and it's beeatch to load throught the ejection port. It is much easier to feed from the magazine. So easy to load makes the CVA the clear winner in a ZERO round magazine.
I'd buy a CVA. I have the Ruger Ranch in .300 BLK, and it's beeatch to load throught the ejection port. It is much easier to feed from the magazine. So easy to load makes the CVA the clear winner in a ZERO round magazine.
Finally someone talking some sense! Y'all are being poor enablers. This is an opportunity to buy a NEW rifle, not modify an old one!
I'd buy a CVA. I have the Ruger Ranch in .300 BLK, and it's beeatch to load throught the ejection port. It is much easier to feed from the magazine. So easy to load makes the CVA the clear winner in a ZERO round magazine.
This. It’s hard to imagine how clumsy it is to load a Ruger American through the ejection port until you actually try it.
Okie John
Where's a Ruger No. 1 when you need it?
I'd buy a CVA. I have the Ruger Ranch in .300 BLK, and it's beeatch to load throught the ejection port. It is much easier to feed from the magazine. So easy to load makes the CVA the clear winner in a ZERO round magazine.
This. It’s hard to imagine how clumsy it is to load a Ruger American through the ejection port until you actually try it.
Okie John
Well this is the kind of information I needed. Thank you. I hadn’t thought to consider that. I like look other places. I just don’t like break action rifles a lot.
How hard is the 77/44 to load from the ejection port? Any other non-break action rifles to consider?
It can’t be that hard to modify a mag
Read the review from the person in IL at this link if you care to.
https://www.eabco.net/Original-Bob-Sled-AR-15-Match-Single-Shot-Conversion-Magazine_p_15811.htmlHas anyone posting here tried one of the single shot blocks to see how the American feeds with one?
Any other non-break action rifles to consider?
All of these will give you more access to the rifle chamber. Just don't use a one piece rail to mount your optic.
Use a metal mag, disassemble and put a block in it so it will only take one round, reassemble, carry several.
Then you have a 2 shooter. 1 in the pipe and one in the mag.
One round, put it in the mag, charge the chamber. The mag holds one, dont drop the mag and reload until you shoot
Use a metal mag, disassemble and put a block in it so it will only take one round, reassemble, carry several.
Then you have a 2 shooter. 1 in the pipe and one in the mag.
One round, put it in the mag, charge the chamber. The mag holds one, dont drop the mag and reload until you shoot
#RocketSurgery
Use a metal mag, disassemble and put a block in it so it will only take one round, reassemble, carry several.
Then you have a 2 shooter. 1 in the pipe and one in the mag.
One round, put it in the mag, charge the chamber. The mag holds one, dont drop the mag and reload until you shoot
It ain't about what you do. It's about what you could do. Having one in the chamber and a mag in place that could hold another doesn't meet how single shot is defined.
Use a metal mag, disassemble and put a block in it so it will only take one round, reassemble, carry several.
Then you have a 2 shooter. 1 in the pipe and one in the mag.
One round, put it in the mag, charge the chamber. The mag holds one, dont drop the mag and reload until you shoot
It ain't about what you do. It's about what you could do. Having one in the chamber and a mag in place that could hold another doesn't meet how single shot is defined.
Get a single shot or a bolt and quit ffing with trying to turn a repeater into a single shot, or move.
Use a metal mag, disassemble and put a block in it so it will only take one round, reassemble, carry several.
Then you have a 2 shooter. 1 in the pipe and one in the mag.
One round, put it in the mag, charge the chamber. The mag holds one, dont drop the mag and reload until you shoot
Not how the regs read.
Use a metal mag, disassemble and put a block in it so it will only take one round, reassemble, carry several.
Then you have a 2 shooter. 1 in the pipe and one in the mag.
One round, put it in the mag, charge the chamber. The mag holds one, dont drop the mag and reload until you shoot
Not how the regs read.
Ya, I got it, use to live there, good to hear they are opening up deer hunting to CF. But Illinois is one seriously ffed up state.
Seems simpler to just get a single shot than trying to come up with a workaround on a repeater
Buy an extra mag. Then modify it to be a zero rounder.
you only get this type of schitt regulations in states ran by DemocRATS...
Like Friggin Oregon, California and Washington for example.
If you put a bench rest follower in a magazine like I do my varmint rifles, for shooting sage rats...
its one round at a time. If someone can machine something like that ( if no one makes them, to include the factory)
then that would meet the requirement. I think I paid a little over $10 for the ones I have in my varmint rifles.
I've also seen detachable mags for the ARs in 223, that are the same set up as a bench rest follower...
but it isn't often you come across them, and hell if I remember the places I've seen them, when I came across them.
Figured they were some sort of training thing.
With my right handed, rotary magazine .308W Ruger American, to chamber a single round from the ejection port, I rotate the rifle 90 degrees counterclockwise so that the ejection port is straight up, drop in a cartridge and close the bolt. Magazine must be empty for this to work without jamming though.
SLEDs are great for AR-16 magazines.
If you can't do that, just slip off the floor plate and put a plug of wood in it. The plug should go inside the springs and contact the bottom of the follower. It's not hard.
Good stuff!! Thank you all. I have a lot of things to look through now.
I went to the local Scheels and they have 4 350 Legend Ruger Americans. I was able to see why loading from the port will be an issue.
Interesting that all the single shots that would be viable to use are gone!! Everybody is planning ahead.
And I am planning on moving from this political hell hole, but that is a few years away at this point until I retire ....
I'd buy a CVA. I have the Ruger Ranch in .300 BLK, and it's beeatch to load throught the ejection port. It is much easier to feed from the magazine. So easy to load makes the CVA the clear winner in a ZERO round magazine.
This. It’s hard to imagine how clumsy it is to load a Ruger American through the ejection port until you actually try it.
Okie John
Exactly
You could dumb it down even further with a lever action. Buy a plug for the mag and go kill stuff.
You could dumb it down even further with a lever action. Buy a plug for the mag and go kill stuff.
I did that with my Henry BBS, made a plug by crimping the end of another tube shut.
Picked up a CVA Scout a couple months back, too. Figured better now than next year when they're likely to be unobtanium with the higher demand around here.