Hi guys, I don't know if this question has been asked recently, but i'm really looking to buy my first rifle, for some light hunting but I guess I'll be doing a lot of shooting range. I see the Winchester featherweight with CRF and a floating barrel for $830.00 a 22" barrel with a walnut stock and satin finish also has a M.O.A. Trigger System. In a .243 caliber I think the recoil would be good. On the other hand I've been checking out the Remington SPS in Stainless Steal for $700 it has 3 rings of steel, synthetic stock and a Super Cell pad for recoil with a 24" barrel. I really like the CRF on the Winchester but it it would be just fine, not to have it with the Remington. I know there is a lot of knowledgeable people and I would really like to know your opinions on this matter. I've been 3 months looking from one brand to another, and different models and at the end of the day these are the 2 Finalist. Thanks in advance guys and have a great day. 

Elliot.

Winchester's are 1-10" and unable to shoot a boolit worth a fhuqk. Hint. Congratulations?!?

Big Green RPM is typically 9" and small change and they'll Smooch/stabilize a hornie 105 BTHP in issued guise. Hint.

6 Kreedmire is your Huckleberry.

Thank me later.

Hint..................

Hello Elliot. If you are looking to save some money over those two choices, I'd go this route for a stainless ADL 700 .243 at $509. You can sell the included scope for about $35, putting you at $475 or so. The BDL bottom metal is not worth anywhere near the $225 price difference, as the barreled action is the same from the SPS SS to the ADL SS.

243 700 ADL Stainless Package Rifle

I would say it is well worth the money, as I have one and it is accurate. Like Stick mentions, the Hornady 105HPBT will shoot in it, and mine likes them well. Tough to go wrong with a stainless 700, and I've had many.

You can order a replacement trigger spring for about $15 from Ernie the gunsmith and install it yourself, giving you a good trigger pull under 3lbs. I swapped one out for a buddy the other day, right on the bench at the range. He had a good 2.2lb safe trigger in 10 minutes. If you don't want to do it yourself, a local smith would likely install it for you for a few bucks if you provide the spring.

Jpro, Thanks for all that useful information. Your vote goes for the Remington and I never pay any attention to that ADL. Something to consider. My budget really is $900 with tax included. [/b][b]

My vote among those two is the 700, yes.

Are you a handloader? If not, I would likely lean toward the 6.5 Creedmoor for the ammo availability. Recoil will not be much more than the .243 and there is a lot more target-style ammo to pick from at better prices than the .243win. More rifle choices as well. I shoot both chamberings, but the Creedmoor is best for a non-handloader looking for a factory rifle for both target and big game uses.

The Featherweight in .243 Win would be my choice.

Featherweight would be my choice also.

Oh good Lord. M70 no contest.

I shot my .280 fwt last weekend into a 1/2" group at 200 yds with factory Federal 150gr ammo.

Mine as well. No question

You Retards assemble,like Moths to a flame. Hint. Congratulations?!?

The heartbeat of any/all rifle,is the melding of RPM,throat geometry and COAL latitude. Winchester screws the Pooch hilariously there. Hint.

Pass the 7-08 and good boolits,over a Winchester 280 Goat Fhuqk "launching" 150gr underhand pitches...due the fact that the 7-08 will simply crush it. Would LOVE to see a picture of that 280 FWT piece of schit,because I'm sure she's a PEACH. In fairness and if only for more humor,they are 1-10" too. Hint. LAUGHING!

'PRO obviously nailed the obvious,in 264 Kreedmire. There's never been one built entirely wrong,like Winchesters 243Win "efforts". 264 Kreedmire Factory Fodder crushes most other chamberings attempts at same. It's a Skookum choice in rifles,from more than a few Manufacturers. Hell,even Winchester gets that one right! Hint.



Pardon my shooting every chambering thus far cited and prolly even a "few" more that ain't(yet). Hint.

Bullets matter more than headstamps and less mechanics aligned,you've a Goat Fhuqk. Hint.

Bless your hearts for crying.

Thank me later.

Hint.

LAUGHING!....................

Elliot, I was trying to decide on a .243 last year. I considered several, including the ones you mentioned. I finally decided on a Ruger Hawkeye, which has a 1-9” twist. I had a gunsmith adjust the trigger to a very crisp 2.5 lbs. I’ve been very impressed with its accuracy with both factory ammo and my handloads.

Since caliber selection WAS NOT ASKED, I merely stuck to the topic and recommended the 70, Personally, I do not care for the 243.

.....................Although I would prefer the rifle format of the CRF Model 70, you as Stick mentioned, need to consider the twist rates. Me personally, would prefer a 1:9 or faster twist for a 243 to better stabilize the heavier bullets at the longer ranges should you do longer ranged shooting............That does not mean that a 1 in 10 twist for a M70 chambered in 243 cannot be accurate. A faster twist rate is just added assurance...

Too fhuqking funny! NoSqueeze was better,when she was dead. Hint. Congratulations?!?

RPM is that which dictates what length of projectile,the platform will stabilize. "Accuracy" is an issue largely separate,when keeping things in the realm of a given platform's gross RPM handling capabilities,though rerve RPM is a nice thang to factor. Hint.

Ruger has long had a firm grip upon 243Win mechanics,in that they've been 9" RPM for a goodly while,throat nicely and offer COAL latitude greater than an OEM S/A 700. None of those things will hurt Production. Hint.

Boat Paddles so configured,have been flogged upon for decades,less issue and do nice thangs at a distance. Hint.



More than a few of same(Ruger 77's in all configurations),have been punched 243AI,due said mechanical advantages. Same goes S/S SA 700's,in all configurations and mean a schit ton of 'em +P+. Hint.

Anywhoo...the more objectively you look and savvy cause/effect,the better job one can do connecting dots out of the fhuqking gate. Despite Window Lickers Whining incessantly,the fact is,Mechanics matter more than just a "smidge". Hint.

There's a Fieldcraft 243Win headed in the mail my way and they just happen to be 1-7" and wear a 3"+ COAL magbox. They were getting blown out by Darrik for $1100 or so clams and connect dots like no other OEM offering. Hint.

Bang for the buck,the 264 Kreedmire will connect wayyyyyyyyyy more dots by default,for the gent who don't Reload and savvy such "nuances". Simply procure over the counter,roll stalwart mounts/rings and drive a 6x MQ Fixed Fhuqker for THE Win. You'll blow your own mind,on the first outing.

Thank me later.

Hint.................

....I came back from the dead just to bother uuuuu Stickeeee.............Hint hint..hint............You would have missed me too much.

I’d take the “Featherweight” all day.....everyday! memtb

Translation for the OP, buying his first rifle:

For someone getting into the game the 6.5 Creedmoor is the best way to meet/surpass many logistical and performance requirements. This is particularly true for someone who is not handloading. Simply select one of many readily available factory rifle offerings, install a good set of mounts/rings, put an SWFA 6x scope with the milquad reticle in those rings and get to it. If you have any aptitude for shooting you'll be impressed the first time out.

For a new guy, first thing is to learn to ignore this douche. I still visit Anchorage often. Be glad to meet you any time

NoSqueeze,

The only person you bother...is you. To the tune,in which you felt compelled to fake your death. Hint. Congratulations?!?

Now what were the "odds",that besides being a CLUELESS Fhuqk,you are also a Lying Piece Of Fhuqking Schit? Hint.

Bless your heart for trying.

Hint.

Laughing!..............






mempty,

You'd NEED to take it,because you couldn't "afford" it. Hint. Congratulations?!?

You Brokedick Clueless Droolers are a fhuqking hoot! Hint.

Bless your heart for trying.

Hint.

Laughing!..................




math',

Some things goes without sayin'. Hint.

Just sayin'.....................(grin)





clair',

Honey,bless your writhing Estrogen Levels,as you are unable to control your surging Emotions. Hint. Congratulations?!?

The only thing you "shoot" is your mouth and Imagination,though thankfully for you,Imagination and Pretend are free...so you can "afford" to "contribute",you "lucky" kchunt. Hint. LAUGHING!

Pardon my shooting it all and then some,thus being afforded the luxury of not being forced to guess. Hint.

A few 6mm's on a typical day and be SURE to try and "talk" rifle "particulars",mainly because it will be FUNNIER than fhuqk. Hint.




Looking forward to your next Hissy Fit,you poor poor(literally) CLUELESS Fhuqk. hint.

Bless your heart for crying though!

Hint.

LAUGHING!..................

Model 70 Featherweight for me, too. Not even close, really.

There should be one coming out soon in 6.5 Creedmoor, as well, that will be twisted at 1-8” so you’d have the best of all worlds.

From this morning.





It's easy to see who shots and who doesn't. Hint.

Some on here like to imagine and pretend. Hint.

Yep ... any day now!
They were announced at SHOT January of ‘18 and have yet to land. There is slow roll, and then there is shipping from Portugal via zero emission barge piloted by Greta ...

CitySetter,

Using ALL of your "knowledge","experience" and "results" in compilation,DO tell what you'd feed that Winchester Goat Fhuqk...mainly because it will be FUNNIER than fhuqk! Hint. Congratulations?!?

Bless your heart for trying.

Hint.

LAUGHING!...............






elkchunt,

I see you "re-forgot" about your "heralded" Imaginary Pretend Ignore. I get it,that you have but 17 IQ Points,but there is ZERO need for you reiterate ad nauseum,that besides being a CLUELESS Fhuqk,that you are also a Lying Piece Of Fhuqking Schit. Hint. Congratulations?!?

I see The Palsey is kicking in again. You might could consider a TREMOR reticle,pun be intended. Hint. LAUGHING!

Them One Turdy Swift Ping Pong Balls are "exceptional". Hint.



Pardon 6 Kreedmire Factory Fodder. Hint. OOPSIE!



Mebbe dangle some pictures of that Steaming Pile Of Schit and muse "particulars". Dare ya'!. Hint. LAUGHING!

Sorry about a "lowly" 20" 6BR(Bart' no-turn contour duped,reduced shank Montucky) CRUSHING your Goat Fhuqk,with a "lowly" 105 'Max. My bad. Hint.



My sole concerns remain,in it's ability to handle atmospherics,due it's Safe Queen Nature. Hint. LAUGHING!



You poor poor Drooling DUMB Fhuqk!

'77 243 in Sako Hunter anyone?!? Hint.



You "hard chargers" REALLY "know" your stuff. Hint. LAUGHING!

Bless your hearts for trying though.

Hint.

Laughing!.......................






'verine,

Hold The FLUFF and pass the good stuff. Hint Congratulations?!?

Fieldcraft 264 Kreedmires have NO fhuqking equal. Hint.



Bless your heart.

Hint.

Laughing!..................

Elliot,

For what your intended uses appear to be, both are fine rifles, assuming that you've narrowed it down to those two, in .243. There are other cartridges out there that similarly would fit your intended use, and other manufacturers, that would work equally well. Of the two you've mentioned, I prefer the Winchesters; I have two Featherweights, and they are accurate, good looking, and fit me well. That last part is important. Regardless of what others state about these rifles, I strongly urge you to find a gunstore that has both, then look at them side by side. It is likely that one of them will speak to you more than the other, then you've got your Huckleberry. There's simply no substitute for holding each one in your hands before you decide.

Remington Model 700..............and it ain't even close. I've owned several in 243, and have yet to have one that was not accurate. If you're wanting a rifle to look at, buy the Winchester. If you're wanting one to hunt with and shoot, buy the Remington.

Being extra glue for the bolt on the Remington’s.

Excellent point, thank you .

Math man, wow , thanks for the translation lol. Smh. This guy had me thinking hard... seems like lot of you guys like that 243. Isn't a 6.5 creedmore has more recoil tho? Thanks.

You fhuqking Droolers are HILARIOUS! Now Emotions are more important than Mechanics? Hint. Congratulations?!?

Winchester has yet,to make a stock worth a fhuqk...whether Pre,Post or Transition. This "might" be a 70 Featherweight. Hint.



You KNOW they suck,when a fhuqking HTG is a SERIOUS upgrade. Hint.





The CRPF 'Yote Whizzum Laminate(7mm here),being their best attempt to date. Hint.



Bless your heart for trying though.

Hint.

LAUGHING!.................





James',

Knowed mechanics and dot connections,do tend to be warm and fhuqking fuzzy...................(grin)






tzone,

Where's them 280 FWT/Federal Fodder Porn Pics? I'm VERY "surprised",that you don't dangle that Goat Fhuqk,for even more Oblivious Humor. Hint. Congratulations?!?

Only "move" you had. Hint.

Bless your heart.

Hint.

LAUGHING!.................





Elliot,

Purty mean of you,to tease her in sucha' manner.

Hint.

I like how you roll.

LAUGHING!.....................

It will have more, but not enough to worry about if you keep the bullet weight down. You mentioned wanting to shoot more on the range, and 243's eat barrels faster than the 6.5 Creedmoor.

Thank Daveman, yes I guess that would be my last test to hold them and have a feel about them. Can you tell me what other cartige are like a .243 ? To be honest I want the .243 for the low recoil. Thanks.

If you've been thinking 243 but would like something more modern then consider the 6mm Creedmoor. It's not yet ubiquitous like the 6.5 version though.

Good point JamesJr. I also think the Winchester is a good looking rifle but I want more than just look at it lol

Buy the .243 in the Featherweight and use it. As far as burning out a barrel,so what,re-barrel it to something else when the time comes.

Hi Jpro, not a handloader, I am new to all this stuff, guns, rifles, ammo. The only reason why I chose a 243 caliber is because I know it has little recoil. I looked at the bullet you told me the 6.5 Creedmoor but I also seen they have a 6 mm... oh no , another decision that will prolong my rifle buying lol

Buy what you like IMO, they are both decent rifles. A 1:10 twist isnt ideal anymore, but it won't hinder you from killing deer sized game and smaller. I like the M70 rifles a little better than M700 rifles, but I have a few examples of both in my safe.

Big stick, you sure have lots of rifles.

Truthfully, would get the 6.5 over the .243, especially since you don’t reload. but the choice is yours.

Tzone, Yes I thinking about it now, 6.5 creemore and 6mm

The 6mm Creedmoor is also a great choice, but as it is still somewhat of the new kid on the block, there are fewer choices in your sub-$900 range for factory rifles. There will likely be more choices in the coming years, but the 6.5 version is in the lead for more rifle options. The Tikka T3X offerings in 6.5CM are known to be great shooters out of the box and have good triggers also. They won't break the bank and are available in stainless if you prefer.

The 6.5 really won’t have much more recoil than a .243 Win. Your selection of rounds is a ton better for the 6.5. And, when you’re shooting at a deer, you won’t notice the recoil at all.

If Remington would offer the 6.5 Creed in the ADL SS package, the company might become solvent, even turn a profit.

It will probably take another 3 years for Remmy to actually start selling 6mm Creeds................

That's a thing I didn't know, Remington doesnt make any 6.5 creedmore.

They make a bunch of 6.5 Creedmoor’s, just not the 6mm Creedmoor.

Back to your original query, while there is probably not a bigger M70 fan here than me, I’d go with the M700 in 243. I prefer the Rem bbl. contour more, and it’s an easier platform to make light in the future should you choose to drop it in a fiberglass stock. I’ve never liked the Long Action M700, but have always liked the Short Action M700. I genuinely don’t like the current M70 MOA trigger, nor the fact “Assembled In Portugal” is stamped on the barrel. I prefer “Product Of Portugal” on my bottles of Port, not my rifles.

I’d go M700 243...

By the way, something that I forgot to mention is that I want a floorplate. I don't want a top feeder thanks a lot for all your comments guys. Seems I'm doing progress here.

Elliot,

Welcome to the fire. You'll get a lot of very knowledgeable advice here. To stick to your original post, if you've decided on a 243 in the two rifles I prefer the Winchester Featherweight. These are two very different rifles as far as wood and blue vs synthetic and stainless etc. Either one will do just fine and the 243 is a fine light recoiling hunting round. I assume its deer you are hunting plus target shooting?

If you are able, handle both and go with what fits you better. Oh, don't skimp on the scope. This may be more important than the rifle.

Scott

math',

It ain't that the Seex Kreedmire is more "Modern",it's just that there are no Retard Twist Rates,botched COAL or throat geometry with it,in OEM guise. Hint.

The Seex Kreedmire is simply 243 Win case capacity,in parcels done farrrrrrrrr righter and by everyone who offers same. Hint.

Left to right: 270/105 Hornie HPBT,6BR/105 Hornie HPBT,243 Grendel/105 Hornie HPBT,Seex Kreedmire/108 ELD,243 Win SALAMI/105 Hornie HPBT,243 Aye-Eye/105'Max,6-284/105 Hornie HPBT and Six Twat-Six/105 Hornie HPBT. Hint.



By default and literal design,the Seex Kreedmire grants mechanical advantages over the 243Win. That in RPM,COAL latitude and throat geometry all,while simply offering like capacity in a superior wrapper ala OEM offerings. Hint.

I've a "few" and they tend to do nice thangs. Hint.



Big Green does a Seex Kreedmire,but just not worth a fhuqk,as it's LTR-esque blued metal,in a schit handle and a 20" spout(7.5" RPM). While AICS flavored DBM's never hurt,it don't assist much in the equation(OEM COAL latitude will do it) and I'd MUCH prefer an ADL S/S offering in laminate,or similar. Note that there is no 243Win in said parcel,where the AICS nudge would really help,in conjunction with 7.5" RPM of same. Hint.




Ruger does a farrrr better job. Hint.



Just sayin'.

Hint.....................





'orce1,

One can reduce case capacity,hit twist/throating/RPM on the head and CRUSH the "bigger" offering. The Seex Kreedmire do just that,as do the 264 Kreedmire,by literal design. Hint. Congratulations?!?

A brand new pick up on the lot,don't get "better" by asking the salesman to "Please disconnect (3) plug wires for me,before I take 'er away". Hint. LAUGHING!

Mechanics matter. Hint.

Bless your heart.

Hint.

Laughing!..................







tzone,

Where's them 280 FWT pics? Might it be sinking in,just how incredibly fhuqking STUPID you are,on a "good" day? Hint. Congratulations?!?

Right proper 280 here...roughly 7:30 in the frame. Now you can at least say,you've "seen" one. Stay tuned for The INCREDIBLE Hulk. Hint. Laughing!



Bless your heart for trying.

Hint.

LAUGHING!.................




'Pro,

Sub 9 Hunnert Seex Kreedmire? I'd be in RAR Predator Mode wearing AICS DBM's and toss a Boyd's on the bitch. You reap the 7.7" RPM,they throat really right and binderless mags will do it all and then some. Hint.

They take an extended/inclined 1913 rail happily,toss the trigger "safety" and you are there. BEST "Sleeper" on the market,by lightyears. Hint.

Just sayin'.

Hint..........................





Elliot,

I dig a 223 to well beyond the 1000yd line and Factory Fodder there,is WELL supported too. Have heard through The Grapevine,that recoil ain't too bad either. HINT. Laughing!

If you don't reload,the 223 and 264 Kreedmire are your best pitches,by an unfathomable margin. Curiously enough,it's wayyyyyyyyyyy easier to score a 264 Kreedmire done right(because they ain't done wrong),than a 223 boltgun of like mechanics.

Easy for me to say,mainly because I shoot it all and then some. Hint.

Just sayin'...................

Featherweight for me. I have always been a Remington fan but I am realizing that Winchester makes a fantastic rifle and the quality is high. I would take that Featherweight in a heartbeat before any bottom end sps Remington. The rough finish and junk stock are subpar.

Tikka T3 and the Weatherby Vanguard S2 are both quality rifles with accuracy guarantees that are at 1 moa. They sell for a little less too. If it were me, I would look for a used Tikka in the caliber of your choice and spend the rest on a good scope.

Ah, I was wrong, Stick found a Remmy 6mm Creed. Cool.

Me too...but both are good.

Unless you get a DBM (Detachable Box Magazine) rifle, they all load from the top. The floor plate just let's you dump your unfired rounds faster.

Jokester,

Pass Big Green S/S and mechanics,over your Fence-Hopping Winchester Goat Fhuqlk Emotions. Hint. Congratulations?!?

Do cite the Tikka and/or Howa .243" bores,of requisite RPM,COAL and throat geometry,as per your version of "knowledge","experience" and "results". Hint. LAUGHING!

Bless your heart for TRYING so hard.

Hint.

LAUGHING!..............




'pinecrick,

Oooopsie!.................(grin)




'gwe,

Few 'know" less than you,about rifles. Hint. Congratulations?!?

Bless your heart for trying.

Hint.

LAUGHING!..............




'orce1,

Not all DBM's are equal(or close). Tikka fhuqks up far more schit than most,but Ruger RAR's in non AICS flavors,are an honest attempt at The "Crown". Hint. Congratulations?!?





RAR Rotary Goat Fhuqk (aftermarket redemption!). Hint.



The REAL stuff. Hint.





1000 Words On DBM's RINK

Bless your heart for trying though.

Hint.

Laughing!......................

What that spittoon drinking idiot say?

Oh my...did yet another Brokedick Whining CLUELESS Fhuqk look to correlate that she's a Lying Piece Of Fhuqking Schit to boot? Hint. Congratulations?!?

Imaginary Pretend Ignore,is priced right along with everything else you can "afford". Hint.

LAUGHING!



Bless your heart,for crying sooooooooo loud.

Hint.

Laughing!................

Hey Stinky, why don't you show us a picture of your 1966 double wide trailer. You keep telling everyone that you make more money than God himself, it must be nice. Trailer park king that you are. Got that paycheck stub to show us yet? Of course no. It doesn't exist. You are just another loser that has an awesome inferiority complex to be matched by none.

OK, here comes the pipsqueak answer. Gotta be good.

Myself,

I diligently read every word Schtick Sez.....

then afterwards, I go out and purchase anything he criticized, with confidence....

owning an ADL in 243, and I use it a lot...I still prefer a Model 70 Featherweight...

I only have 3 Featherweights come my way tho... all used, in good shape and real good price..

6.5 x 55, 7 x 57, 223....

JOHN, how ya doing bud?

W. Bill

Nothing is fhuqking FUNNIER,than an Opiate Addled Candy Striper doing her best,with a Brokedick Blanket Ass cheering her on. Hint. Congratulations?!?

Here's to the very WELL founded Insecurities you Retards flounder in and how "fulfilling" your Imagination and Pretend are...to you. Hint. LAUGHING!

Was whistlin' through "surplus" 264 Twat-Six 147's today and 22 BR-titude. Google it all and "convince" yourself that you "could too". Hint.



Bless your hearts for crying!

Hint.

LAUGHING!.............

That the best you can do there mutt? Same ol chti. Can't you get a little creative? God you're stupid.
Stupid, short and stinky.

6mm,

Nawwww...the Mail has been kind to me,but that parcel was only opened yesterday. Hint. Congratulations?!?

At least Imagination and Pretend are free,so you can "afford" to "contribute"...you "lucky" kchunt. Hint. LAUGHING!

If/when you can FINALLY "afford" your first camera,be certain to start a Thread and wax even more eloquent,upon your very WELL founded Insecurities. Hint.

Bless your heart for crying,you Lying Piece Of Fhuqking Schit.



Hint.

LAUGHING!..................

Stinky,do you have a special de-coder ring for us mortals that have difficulty understanding your nonsense? Oh, and do you have your trailer covered with that brown spray foam insulation like the poor folk in Alaska have? You probably spray painted lines on the sides to make it look like a log cabin. That would be cool. I bet John Elsworth himself would be envious of your hovel. Does that stuff keep the rats out or in?

6mm,

Reality is more than plenty,as you scour your Mom's purse for another penny. Hint. LAUGHING!

Keep feeding your very WELL founded Brokedick Insecurities,with the HILARITY of your Realities. Hint.

Bless your heart for crying(so often). LAUGHING!!!

Hint.

Mebbe post a pic of a Food Stamp?!?

LAUGHING!...................

So does that mean you're not going to send any pictures of house, pay stub or lakefront septic tank drain field? But you are so good with that camera you stole from the guys you work for.
Come on Stinky, just one wide angle of the house. I mean you posted pictures of yourself many times. If we can gag through that, we should be able handle the rest. Anxious to hear your cut n paste dribble.

Eh, I'm done with you Stinky. You're just not fun anymore.

Stumpy,

you need to have your Lab typing your posts again....

I know you can't spell worth a schitt, but when you're drunk.. which I am sure is most of the time...your posts really make no sense at all....hell your Lab is smarter than you, when you're sober... when your Fu kk ed up....well he's a whole hell of a lot smarter than you....

and posting pics of your guns is getting a little boring also....I mean, those Puerto Rican paint jobs, are getting really really old, and they suck anyway.... from start to finish... and then the Decals and Stickers that would impress anyone who's under 7 y/o, are pretty ridiculous for a Grown Man.....don't get confused over that...yeah, I know you are 4 ft 13 inches.... but that doesn't make you a kid... since you were born in 68, you're 51... not 12... even if you act like it...

But hey, scratch your Lab between its ears, for the rest of us.. but wash your hands first... because I am sure you'll have been fondling your nuts all day, scratching them....as that is probably the only sex life you got when your pet goat gets pissed off at you....

it ain't easy being Schtick... but you give it your best....try sobering up sometime... the world may seem better for ya...
but no matter what, you're still the best entertainment value of the www....Free but worth every penny..

fine Bill! HOpe this finds you and your family doing well also.....

I wake up every day, and thank the Good Lord that I'm not Schtick....

and besides that, unlike Stumpy, I'm taller than Papa Smurf....

cheers and best regards... and hope your hunting season goes well...

Bill,

Stumpy's Dump doesn't have a rat problem....

1. the rats left because they were afraid of the size the cock roaches have grown to..\

2. The Cock Roaches have left, because they were getting concerned about their health...

that's why Stumpy, gets on the Campfire and is always so cranky...

he's got no one to talk to or relate to anymore......

he misses the rats and the cock roaches, but sadly they don't miss him....

The Winchester will shoot just as good as the 700 and you won't have to worry about having the bolt handle fall off, the cheap, sheet metal extractor breaking and there is the issue of the fail on fire safety. If you want a "project rifle" (read: spend money to make it right and maybe it might shoot better than the Winchester) or a paper puncher, get the 700... BTW, The Winchester Classics/FWT stocks were designed by David Miller....I also see you are considering the 6.5. That would be the way to go.

Yes sorry, I meant to say I want a floor plate. Thanks.

I made ANOTHER offer to meet Big Stick in person on one of my trips to Anchorage. I'd be happy to drive anywhere he likes for the meet up. No response. Nothing worse than a coward hiding behind a keyboard. Unless its a time and place, don't respond. No one is interested in hearing your incoherant rants.

Ok guys I want to thank you all for all your input, some of you guys I couldn't understand for my lack knowledge. I will go for the Winchester but I will buy a cheaper model 700 Remington with a 6.5 creedmore. I will post pictures when I get it. Thanks.

Shefire,

You strung out Junkies are a hoot! Hint. Congratulations?!?

Fortunately for you,Imagination and Pretend are free,so you can "afford" to "contribute"...you "lucky" kchunt.

Bless your heart for trying.

Hint.

LAUGHING!.................





6mm,

PLEASE continue,with more of your very WELL founded Insecurities,you Brokedick Whining DUMB Fhuqk. Hint. Congratulations?!?

You'd need a co-signer for th ammo boxes. Hint.

Bless your heart for crying.

Hint.

Laughing!.............




WhoreHey!,

Do tell,about what fodder you are gonna feed your Imaginary 243Win,to make it "run" with a 700. Hint. Congratulations?!?

The only thing you "shoot" is your mouth and Imagination. Hint.

Bless your heart for trying though.

Hint.

LAUGHING!..................









clairempty,

Your High Pitched Nasal Whine is MAGNIFICENT and I enjoy that your Melting Snowflake Routine is no fhuqking "act"...you "lucky" kchunt.. Hint. Congratulations?!?

Looking forward to your next Whine,you CLUELESS Drooling Kchunt. Hint.

Bless your heart for being so emotional.

Hint.

LAUGHING!...................




Elliot,

It is fascinating to watch Stupidity stumble. A 223 done right,will easily outpace a 243 done wrong and I REALLY hope you go the Winchester route...mainly because it would be funnier than fhuqk! Hint. Congratulations?!?

I should prolly set up a 223 Sleeper,just for Idiots who "think" on their own and slap their best efforts silly,with wayyyyyyyyyy less than 30grs of powder a poke,6x glass,zero recoil,modest noise,5 in the belly and uncanny LR precision. Hint.

OOOOPSIE! Laughing!




Whatcha' gonna throw on that Goat Fhuqk for optics? Hint. LAUGHING!

Bless your heart.

Hint.

Laughing!..................

Welcome to the forum. I apologize that you have to suffer our resident attention whore. What are you going to do for a scope? How much money is in the budget for that? Some folks have tried to steer you toward a 6.5 Creedmoor. That's not a bad suggestion, but the 243 will serve your purposes just as well. There are some very good and much less expensive rifle options out there for you. What are your "must haves?" Is stainless a must? Is weight a factor?

PaulBurnedHard,

No need to apologize for your STUPIDITY. Hint. Congratulations?!?

As per your version of "knowledge","experience" and "results",be sure to stipulate the 243Win rifle and 243Win Factory Fodder,that will do "just as well" as the 264 Kreedmire version of same. For MAXIMUM "effect",dangle a picture of those imaginary Wares and wax eloquent upon their particulars,you Clueless Drooling DUMB Fhuqk. Hint.

You do suck a mean ass though. Hint. LAUGHING!

Bless your heart for trying.

Gals who "know" as "much" as,are ALWAYS best served by asking questions,rather than giving "answers".

Hint.

Laughing!..................

Here ya go you clueless cum guzzling midget. Congrats on being the circus’ main attraction.

tzone,

I enjoy how your STUPIDITY is no "act"...you "lucky" kchunt and pardon my innate ability to horn you up and unleash your Man Crush Fantasies. Hint. Congratulations?!?

Read what you quoted,yet again. I could give a fhuqk less,about some holes in paper...the REAL Humor is gonna be in the 280 FWT proper and how you've got 'er "set up". Then as cited plainly,you can step to the podium and wax eloquent upon same. Hint.

In fairness...I'm enjoying the excuses already. Hint. LAUGHING!

Bless your heart for trying.

Hint.

Laughing!.................

M70 all day long. I have M70's and Rem 700's and I rarely shoot the 700's anymore.

Little Dick,
I've called you out. Said I would drive to meet you anywhere and give you a chance to run your mouth face to face. No reply, and you certianly arn't man enough to do it, but yet you keep talking. Take a step back and look at yourself. Realize what you are. Nothing but a coward. Keep talking, its all you have.

70Fret,

Was hoping a Fence Hopper would give 'er a fhuqking whirl! Hint. Congratulations?!?

Are you inferring that you've both 70 and 700's in 243Win and due your versions of "knowledge","experience" and "results"...you "think" the 70 is "advantageous"? Oh my,PLEASE tell me it is so!!! Do wax eloquent upon the "particulars",that "enable" you to make a "mechanical critique",mainly because it will be funnier than fhuqk if you try. Hint. LAUGHING!

You Haybale & Crockett Clowns are a fhuqking RIOT! Hint.

Bless your heart for trying though.

Hint.

Laughing!....................







clairempty,

Now what were the "odds",that besides being a CLUELESS Whining Kchunt,that you are also a Lying Piece Of Fhuqking Schit. You said you weren't gonna read anymore. OOOOOPSIE! Hint. Congratulations?!?

Again,I VERY much enjoy,that your Melting Snowflake Routine is no "act"...you "lucky" kchunt. You Brokedick Whiners are a RIOT!!! Pardon my horning you up and fueling your Man Lust Fantasies. Hint. LAUGHING!

Mebbe fill out a Hurt Feelers Report and hold your breath,as you Hissy Fit,for maximum "effect"? Hint.

Bless your heart for crying.

As an aside,I don't get many PM's. Hint.



Hint.

Laughing!....................

Yep bs,you're nothing but a sniveling coward. Congrats!

elkchunt,

A GOOD day for you,is one in which you don't schit your pants. Hint. Congratulations?!?

I get it,that you are a Retarded DUMB Fhuqk and a Lying Piece Of Fhuqking Schit...as you keep "forgetting" about your "heralded" Imaginary Pretend Ignore,but you think triangle is an ice cream flavor too. Hint.

Rest ASSURED,the last thing I'd wanna do,is steal ANY of the "thunder" of your Imagination or Pretend,if only because it's all you've "got". I'm happy to be whatever you need most,to help salve your realities. Hint. LAUGHING!

Bless your heart for crying.

Hint.

Laughing!...................

You're still a sniveling coward. Hint.

Elliot, just go buy whichever rifle you like the best, and don't pay a damn bit of attention to what you're told on here. The 243 is a fine cartridge, and is very beginner friendly.

Hey Paul. Well to be honest with that new information I have about the 6.5 creedmoor from "bigsticks" I am really debating if the .243 is the way to go since like some folks pointed out to me, there is more options for the Creedmoor than with the .243. When it come to recoil tzone also say that it would be almost no difference between the two. Also I like the idea that the 6.5 Creedmoor can be use for big game while the 243 is somewhat limited. I want the Winchester because my dad had 1 long time ago and it's all I know and because ( so I thought ) it was made in the good old U S of A but now I come to find out through Brad that the Featherweight are Assembled In Portugal... On the other hand I have Sticks talking good things about the Remington. If I was 90% sure of what I wanted, I can honestly tell you that I'm back at 50%. About the scopes.... since the 243 wasn't a long-range cartridge I want to get a scope for that range but now I am looking into the 6.5 Creedmoor so that will have to be another scope for that range and at the end of the day I only would like to spend around $300 but I don't know the prices on scope I don't even know if that is a good price or maybe $500 .Maybe you can give me a recommendation on a scope. Thanks.

Rick bin,
I think its time you step in and do something about this behavior. Why would somone want to advertise on this forum with this kind of crap continually happening?

Lol Jamesjr. I'm separating all this incredible info I'm getting here. Thanks.

Elliot, you can learn a lot on these forums but first you have to filter out the clown like people like Stinky coward. Use the ignore feature.

Elliot,

Your head will hurt when you start looking into scopes. Lol.

I have plenty of Rem's and Winchesters. Both are good. Winchester is just better. Handle them both first. Put them up to your shoulder, work the bolt, pull the trigger, work the safety. Look at the actual quality between the two. One easily wins that department, but you'll have to decide for yourself.

A .243 will handle plenty of big game, including bear if you use the right bullet. Don't let that bother you. You'll also be able to shoot it a distances farther than you can probably see, so don't worry about the range either.

If I was spending the money, I'd go to the gun shop, spend $850 or a Win M70 Featherweight in .243. Spend $400 on a Leupold VX-3 2.5-8 scope and rings, and shoot the hell out of it.

Where is that ignore feature ?

Don't sweat the caliber. Either is fine for what you want to do. You'd be hard pressed to do better than a Ruger American Predator in 6.5 Creedmoor for your intended use.

elkchunt,

Do not "forget",that Imitation is THE most Sincere form of Flattery. Hint. Congratulations?!?

Bless your heart for trying.

Hint.

LAUGHING!.................




JamesWhiner,

You tell her! Hint. Congratulations?!?

Now it will ONLY come as a "surprise" to you,that the chambering is but a single facet of ANY platform and that boolits matter wayyyyyyyyyyymore than headstamps. Not all rifles are "equal",nor CLOSE,with mechanics being the heartbeat of all of 'em. Hint.

Now nod your head,like you "understand". Hint. LAUGHING!

Bless your heart for trying though.

Hint.

Laughing!...............






clairempty,

I'm REALLY groovin' on your heartfelt angst and Estrogen Meltdown...you "lucky" kchunt. Bitchin' Hissy Fit and the pleading call for help,via your quivering lips,as your tearstained Mascara streams your face,is MUCH appreciated! Hint. Congratulations?!?

Very GOOD time to go for the jugular and hold your breath,for even more "effect",as you are really doing GREAT. Hint. LAUGHING!!!!!!!!!

Bless your heart for crying!

Perhaps try 1000cc's of Vagisil,in your usual location?

Hint.

Laughing!.................




6mm,

Your copious very WELL founded Insecurities,never wane in their MAGNIFICENT oblivious humor. Hint. Congratulations?!?

Few things funnier than a CLUELESS Brokedick Lying Piece Of Fhuqking Schit,trying to "talk" rifles. You go girl! Hint. LAUGHING!

Bless your heart for trying.

Hint.

Laughing!...................






tzone,

If you "had" money,you'd "do" lotsa thangs...yet alas. Hint. Congratulations?!?

Gals who "know" and "do" as "much" as you,will always be best served by asking questions,rather than giving "answers". Hint. LAUGHING!

Due Mechanics,Facts and Physics a 70 FWT chambered 243Win is a highly compromised piece of schit. Pardon none of that being subjective. I've yet to see a 2.5-8x Reupold track or hold zero. Be SURE to say sumptin' now about bases/rings and then projectiles,if only to add even more oblivious humor to the fray. Then quantify how you arrange POA/POI with said Schit Pile,to distances you are TRYING to "talk" about. Google as you must and feel free to add pictures. Hint. LAUGHING!

Admittedly however,I've never seen a Bear,a S/S 700 or a 243. OOOOPSIE! Hint.



I appreciate you going FULL Fhuqking Retard.

Bless your heart.

Hint.

LAUGHING!..................






Elliot,

You don't wanna ignore SheZone...because she REALLY is "doing" her best. Hint. Congratulations?!?

Notice how none of The Droolers,dare "talk" boolits and avoid glass,along with POA/POI intersections. There MUST be a purty good fhuqking reason?!? Hint. LAUGHING!

Bless their hearts.

Laughing!..........................



PaulBurnedHard,

The RAR is hardly The Pinnacle,especially in 264 Kreedmire,though a sound pitch in 243 Kreedmire. Hint. Congratulations?!?

Now you can say you've "seen" a big RAR Seex Kreedmire...you "lucky" kchunt. Hint. LAUGHING!



Bless your heart for trying.

Hint.

Laughing!....................

^^^This^^^

Click on the users name and look for the 'ignore user" and click on it and you're done.

"Rick bin,
I think its time you step in and do something about this behavior. Why would somone want to advertise on this forum with this kind of crap continually happening?"

I second he motion. It's time this idiot was made gone for good. He does no good for the site and creates a lot of ill will.

Paul B.

Elliot. When it comes to choosing between a Remington or Winchester, well it ain't easy. I have Featherweights in .257 Roberts and 7x57 Mauser and I have Remingtons 700s in BDL and Classic, one BDL and two Classics, two in 30-06 and one .35 Whelen. Either brand will suit your purpose regardless of the cartridge you finally decide upon so my best advice is pick the one that feels bet to you. I like the Featherweights a bit better, but only because they feel a bit lighter in weight than the 700. As always, YMMV.
Paul B.

Elkchunt,

You be sure to cite how Imaginary Pretend Ignore "works" "best",when you cause a commotion and say you are gonna invoke same...then do not,mainly because you are a lying Piece Of Fhuqking Schit. Hint. Congratulations?!?

You Melting Snowflakes are a fhuqking RIOT! Hint. LAUGHING!

Bless your heart for trying though.

Hint.

Laughing!...............




PjBummer,

Only you,can keep YOU,from saying something fhuqking STUPID and ain't it a rather hilarious constant,that you dolts are powerless in the refrain of same? Hint. Congratulations?!?

I'll happily provide all of the slack on the rope,you "think" you can "handle". Thus far,you gals are doing "GREAT". Hint. LAUGHING!

Your Rifle "critique" is EXCEPTIONALLY fhuqking Hilarious,you poor CLUELESS kchunt. What boolits you slingin' in them Goat Fhuqks. Any pics? Hint.

Bless your heart for crying.

Hint.

Laughing!................







Elliot,

Allow me,to show you how to connect fhuqking dots and assemble a '70 KILLER,for rather modest loot and minimal recoil. Hint. Congratulations?!?

As per always,mechanics matter MOST. Hint.



Bud's is good folks and Darrik didn't have one. No DBM requisite,as Kreedmire COAL is rather friendly,in 6mm. Hint.



We'll stretch a buck,outta da' gate and use proceeds saved,for even more Killer Factory Fodder. (6) cap fasteners,is both warm/fuzzy and wellllllllll beyond soothin'. Hint.



While you got SWFA on the horn for the rings,tell 'em you want this and all of it goes into (1) parcel. No 6x MQ's on The Sample List,but free 'caps never suck. Hint.



You are turn fhuqking turn-key,for under 850 fhuqking Clams. Future upgrades?!? Pass a Boyd laminate handle. Hint.



As configured and in Today's current atmosphere...it do this,with Factory Fodder,under 20 Clams a box,with a modest 200yd zero. Hint.



The reticle alone,gets the parcel to the 1150yd line,just by simply looking through the fhuqking thing. You'll cough up an easy 20 Mil's remaining on the erector,after zero,with the supplied "flat" rail. That'll get it beyond the Transonic Slip easily and to 1500yds ++,if you wanna play. Hint.

You'll wanna take notes and apply same.

Hint.

I just took a fhuqking bow.

Thank me later.

Laughing!...................

Diggin the “rats” and “fork horns” from the kelpbed and Crockett chronicles!!!! 4 dinks in a yota shortbox!!!🤣🤣

You hard chargin sumbitch you!!! Haha

I'm still waiting for you to try and top this,bs.

It's easy to see who has the imagination and pretend. Congrats.

Stinky is a coward too? Who would have guessed that a short person with a small mind and big mouth would be a coward.

Bitches about tzone having no $$$$, then in the next boo boo fest puts a shootin iron together on a tight budget, containing pure shiit platform and parts!!! 🤣🤣

God damn you just can’t make this shiit up!!! Haha

Elliot, look at Athalon scopes also. lots a scope for the money.

I’d rather be fuucked in the azz than run a “howa “.... hint

Elkchunt,

Here's HOPING I never lose a bet big enough,where Sluicing a Secondhand Lady Lion becomes "something". Hint. congratulations?!?

Here's to the perpetual hilarity of your INCREDIBLY low "standards" and the Sweet "Satisfactions" that are all your's,when your trembling hands are held by others. Hint. LAUGHING!

No need to reiterate,that besides being a CLUELESS Fhuqk,that you are also a Lying Piece Of Fhuqking Schit too. Hint.

Bless your heart for trying.

Hint.

Laughing!.................






6mm,

Be sure to start a Thread,if/when you "see" your first Seex Kreedmire. Hint. Congratulations?!?

You Whining Brokedick Lying Pieces Of fhuqking Schit are HILARIOUS! Hint. LAUGHING!



Bless your heart for trying though.

Hint.

Laughing!.....................




I wonder why it is,that Neverbee's BEST efforts,wear Howa receivers?!?

Hint..........................

Hey Stinky, you know being called a COWARD is NOT something you can TALK yourself out of!

What's the beef with Howa?

math',

Rest assured that she is beyond CLUELESS in all things mechanical,pertaining to The Rifle...but is more than a touch handy with "excuses" to "justify" her proclivities. Hint.

Any/All Neverbee's with more than (2) lugs,is simply a piece of fhuqking schit.

Bless her heart.

Laughing!...................

Still waiting,bs.


It's easy to see who is the dumb**** now. Laughing.

Buy the M700 6.5 Creed and you'll have money left in your budget for a quality scope.............

[quote=Big Stick]Elkchunt,

You be sure to cite how Imaginary Pretend Ignore "works" "best",when you cause a commotion and say you are gonna invoke same...then do not,mainly because you are a lying Piece Of Fhuqking Schit. Hint. Congratulations?!?

You Melting Snowflakes are a fhuqking RIOT! Hint. LAUGHING!

Bless your heart for trying though.

Hint.

Laughing!.............




PjBummer,

Only you,can keep YOU,from saying something fhuqking STUPID and ain't it a rather hilarious constant,that you dolts are powerless in the refrain of same? Hint. Congratulations?!?

I'll happily provide all of the slack on the rope,you "think" you can "handle". Thus far,you gals are doing "GREAT". Hint. LAUGHING!

Your Rifle "critique" is EXCEPTIONALLY fhuqking Hilarious,you poor CLUELESS kchunt. What boolits you slingin' in them Goat Fhuqks. Any pics? Hint.

Bless your heart for crying.

Hint.

Laughing!................







Elliot,

Allow me,to show you how to connect fhuqking dots and assemble a '70 KILLER,for rather modest loot and minimal recoil. Hint. Congratulations?!?

As per always,mechanics matter MOST. Hint.



Bud's is good folks and Darrik didn't have one. No DBM requisite,as Kreedmire COAL is rather friendly,in 6mm. Hint.



We'll stretch a buck,outta da' gate and use proceeds saved,for even more Killer Factory Fodder. (6) cap fasteners,is both warm/fuzzy and wellllllllll beyond soothin'. Hint.



While you got SWFA on the horn for the rings,tell 'em you want this and all of it goes into (1) parcel. No 6x MQ's on The Sample List,but free 'caps never suck. Hint.



You are turn fhuqking turn-key,for under 850 fhuqking Clams. Future upgrades?!? Pass a Boyd laminate handle. Hint.



As configured and in Today's current atmosphere...it do this,with Factory Fodder,under 20 Clams a box,with a modest 200yd zero. Hint.



The reticle alone,gets the parcel to the 1150yd line,just by simply looking through the fhuqking thing. You'll cough up an easy 20 Mil's remaining on the erector,after zero,with the supplied "flat" rail. That'll get it beyond the Transonic Slip easily and to 1500yds ++,if you wanna play. Hint.

You'll wanna take notes and apply same.

Hint.

I just took a fhuqking bow.

Thank me later.

Laughing!...................

Will second the Howa in 6 CM. They are set up correct. (7.5 twist BTW) and they have "better than factory" barrels. And the actions and feeding is perfect. 2.87" mag length...allows kisses and Mine shoots an honest 1" at 200 yards. 108 ELDM with 42 gr of h 4350.. Hell of a deal for less than 500 bucks
The stock is a Houge. LOP is too long out of the box. Put a 1/2" pad on it and you are GTG
Best deal on a 243 that's not a 243. Great factory ammo and stellar brass available should you choose to reload. Win/win
Can't fault the 6x Scope either.
Whole set up is about $800

Still diggin the rats and forkhorns!!!!! 😂

Ummmm because I don't like howas.... I don't like muzzle breaks, I don't like carbon fiber barrels, I don't like anything .284, I don't like Chevy or Ford trucks, I don't like white women who fuuck black guys, I don't like swfa scopes, I don't like lifted trucks, I don't like Harley Davidson motorcycles...... Savvy? Anymore examples of what "I " don't like?

math',

She's founded in the reasons she don't like herself...................(grin)

‘Stick Derangement Syndrome is real...and pervasive.

Triumphs ok?

Hey, did you guys see where Stinky has pictures of my dad on some of he rantograms? Now he has pictures of a real man. Problem is Stinky, dad was 6'3" and 210 pounds and a stud muffin to boot. Good luck getting past your five one and 300 pounds.

Stinky, put your picture of you and your stumps and my dad and let have a vote on what a man looks like.

2 rats, 2 dinks in a 3rd gen yota!!! You’re doing “great”!!!!

Laughing

Hint

But , but but Judman, what about Triumphs?

Naw, Yamaha and Honda for me.... grin

I knew the “mudshark” comment would get liar Larry’s attention

.....................Well Bigeee Sticky..........................Guarantee ya that your above comments are such,,, where you would NOT have the damned gutts to say directly to my face.....You would not get through the first few syllables before being thoroughly planted right where you stood.............Yep! YOU would become THE lying POS laid out in a """wonderful"""" horizontal position...................You are a POS and YOU would be lying on the ground............HINT HINT HINT.........NOW GFY..........Time for yer Jack Daniels......................

Or his ass!

What's up guys, damn, lot of bad blood running in this forum. Phew. Anyhow, I went to hold for the first time the winchester, model 70 Featherweight, first I like to say that it was a beautiful rifle, but just too light for my taste. They also had a Remington ADL on 243, to me it had good weight, it was a combo w/scope for $420 you guys were right, I had to hold it to know... and the Remington is the one. So... I will get this cheap model and set a good scope and I'll be on my way. Thank to all u guys for all the info. 1 thing I would like to say to all u guys is, stop insulting each other. You guys each have knowledge in different areas and together you guys are strong. Fighting like I see u guys do, makes no sense. Just my 2 cents as the new guy.

Overall it's a great group of guys here, but this is pretty common on some other forums as well. You can learn a great deal here from everyone. Just don't let yourself get sucked in, and as you progress you'll find what works for you and what doesn't.

Good luck with whatever you choose to do.

Pretty fhuqking FUNNY. Hint.

Get a group of Retards gathered,they'll drool and groan...hit 'em with a couple/few facts and they shut right the fhuqk up. Congratulations?!?

Bless your hearts.

Hint.

LAUGHING!...................

Drooling and groaning bunch of retards sounds like your house in the trailer park.

Now what were the "odds",that the CRY for help,was emitted by a CLUELESS Kchunt who "professed" IMAGINARY Pretend Ignore?!? Hint. Congratulations?!?




Bless your heart.

Hint.

LAUGHING!......................

I dunno, man.................

To a gun, EVERY Howa and Howabee I've seen, shot or owned came right outta the box shooting better groups than roughly 90% of everything else......…….....likely closer 100% of everything else at a similar price point.

The shame of shooting a Howa will wear off quickly. Takin' one up the azz...……….that'll follow you around forever.

Howa's are very good rifles. One of the best PF's out there and generally shoot very well. I have owned several over the years and going all the way back to the first S&W 1500 I bought back in the 80's they've all shot great.

Another thread ruined by Big ShizzleSnicker and his dumbass claims. Nobody asked him about his yellow taped trout stream rifles- yet we get to listen to his arrogant and abrasive preaching and offensive opinions.

If you haven't figured it out yet, Elliott- put that horses ass on IGNORE.

You stupid bastard, I’m soooooo overwhelmed with facts, I didn’t leave my couch the last couple days!!!!!

Laughing......



Hint

Just a sneak peak for ya!!! Haha

I love my mobile couch!!! 🤣🤣

Dunno where you had that couched parked. But now that you have your bull tag punched, I bet you could rent that couch out for a handsome price. Yep

👍👍👍

Damn big guy, what that in them buckets ?

Is this the one you told me Tzone ? Leupold VX-3 2.5-8 x 36mm ?

OK, so it was purely a personal dislike. No biggie, there are things I just don't like either. I asked because I thought there may have been a logical/rational/technical point against the Howa rifle of which I'm not aware.

Since you admitted openly around here that you were new to your topic, I salute you. LOL

Just trying to clarify some things that many will talk around, since some of ‘us’ (LOL) take for granted that certain things are known by all, or that others can decipher some of the back and forth:

NOTHING is wrong with the 243. Barrel specifics of twist/throat and mag box length can hamstring it IF you get into true long range. The 6/6.5 were introduced into rifles/packages FOR long range, with long bullets in mind. In reality, you’d never notice much recoil difference in those 3. Your 700 will (in all likelihood) never hamper you doing range work with a 243 to 500+, or hunting to 300+, with factory ammo. Burn out the barrel, and that’d be a good thing for you, AND your rifle.....by then you’ll know as much as most typing here about what YOU need, want, and how to get there going forward. All the words on this forum can’t replace trigger time, and you’ll be setup to enjoy (key word) plenty with that simple 243 setup. You’ve got the opportunity to learn bags, bipods, trigger, positions, hand/thumb pressure, prone cheek pressure vs bench vs other, wind, range, follow through, etc. Good luck.

Yes, that'll work great.

There seems to be a lot of BS on here about Leupold. Some of it may be legit. It's the only scope we use on our guns and don't have any issues.

There are legit problems with Leupold. I've used them for years and still have a bunch. When my round count went way up for a stretch a few years ago, and I was moving them rifle to rifle and dialing too so their adjustments got more of a workout, problems started to show up.

My "non-issues" may be because I'm not dialing and usually not moving them from gun to gun.

I didn't read all this but did see the howa mentioned. I think the howa and vanguard are easily the best for the buck available right now. If you don't reload and want options forget the 243 win and just get a 6.5 creedmoor. You won't notice a difference in recoil but you will have access to much better options in low cost high performance ammo.

Anything creedmoor has been chambered to more modern and better chamber dimensions and twisted right. The throats on the 6.5 can be a little long but they still shoot well loaded at mag length and you don't reload anyways. I really like my 6 creed but the 6.5 gives you more factory options although the 6 creed is catching up and has way more good loads available now than 243 ever did or will due to superior twist.

I'd get a vanguard or howa 6.5 creed for under $500 and put 3-9 super sniper on it for $459 black friday price. If that's too far over get the fixed 6. If you really want the smaller 243 get the howa 6 creed.

Stay away from leupold 2-8. They have the worst most inconsistent adjustments of almost any scope. If you have to go leupold the 3.5-10 is usually one of the better bets but so is almost any other mid range brand.

Some people here are nostalgic and that drives their decisions. If that's the way you are than just buy on emotion. If you want top performance for your buck then a 10 twist 243 simply cannot hang with any of the creedmoors. Their faster twists allow higher BC bullets which is a gift that keeps on giving.

Look at some charts and compare a 243 win 100g fed blue box, win power point, or rem cor lock to a 6 creed hornady 105 HP or 108 eldm. Look at wind drift, drop, and speed at range. Consider 1800 fps a minimum speed for impact on big game. Below that many bullets don't expand and can lead to penciling through game and poor terminal performance. The point a round drops below 1800 is what you should typically consider max hunting range. The creedmoors and their higher BC bullet options totally outclass a 10 twist 243.

Start with what offers the best performance for the buck. Learn to shoot and enjoy what it will do. Then add the nostalgic safe queen stuff that's like grandpa had as you get older and you have the money to spend on stuff that looks pretty but is hamstrung out of the gate performance wise.

Go howa, one of the creedmoors, a ss fixed or 3-9, and lots of great factory ammo that's only about $20 a box. You'll amaze yourself with what you can do and spend your time building your skills with confidence that you have the right gear to do it.

Bb

Well said BB, you nailed my thoughts as well.

Howa/Vanguards are tanks. They shoot well, but you need a Sherpa to haul them for you.

Long story short... took me about 4 months to finally pick a rifle to buy... settle for an ADL combo for my first rifle. Pay for it Saturday, went to pick it up Thursday (my day off) the rifle was dented and scratched up, they offer to exchanged it for another one but I had to wait another 3-4 days. I was piss so I just settle for a Remington 783 combo for $260 that they had in stock brand new in a box. I figure I'll get this one and then get the true and forever rifle once I figure out what is exactly I need in a rifle. More than likely I would get the Remington CDL in Stainless Steel. By the way I got the 783 in .243 like I wanted but the next rifle will be 6.5 Creedmore or a .308 but I have to admit that I will look at the other brands that you guys have advise too.Thanks.

You wayyyyyyyyyyy fhuqked up,which is especially funny,due how crystalline the intel was/is. Hint. Congratulations?!?

Better go buy a gallon of bleach,for Stench Removal.

Hint.

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Hey Big Stick, the only reason why I'm not bother is because since I never had a rifle before, I wouldn't know what a good quality rifle is , or a bad quality for that matter, I can tell you that the reason MAIN reason why I wanted the rifle was to kill a Coyote that has been taking my chicken lately and about a month ago ate my rooster and 2 chickens. I know you have lots a Knowledge when it comes to rifles, but I can tell you that I'm happy with the rifle and it keeps me entertain while I wait for that damn coyote to comeback. Next rifle I get I will definitely be a Good quality rifle. thanks for all your help.

Just because you've never had a steak,doesn't mean a Schit Sandwich tastes good. Hint. Congratulations?!?

I'm enjoying the excuses. Hint.

Bless your heart.

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Elliot
Congratulations on your first rifle. Getting it in .243 I think was a good idea since that is the caliber you originally wanted. Now you can try it and not have to look back and wonder if you should have went with it. 260 bucks for the combo sounds like a good deal.

Finding that perfect rifle is a journey and that means trying out different rifles, calibers and scopes. You will learn a lot and realize what features you prefer in a rifle. That journey is also half the fun so don't try to rush things.

Best of luck and let us know how that new 783 shoots.

Thanks IMR4350, That's exactly what I intend to do.

That is not even a consideration as far as I'm concerned between the two.

WINCHESTER any day, all day over the Remington!

Yeah, it's becoming at the end, a very hard choice for me. I believe Winchester is more classy and has better Reputation than Remington.

There's nothing "classy" about 1-10" RPM in .243" bore sizing. Hint. Congratulations?!?

Doubly so,when Winchester has a 3" COAL magbox inherent. Hint.

Bullets still matter most. Hint. LAUGHING!

Bess your heart for trying.

Hint.

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