Anybody know? The last two boxes I just bought from Grafs&Sons in 260 Rem had small gold stickers on the end flaps. When I removed the sticker, there's a printed circle with text that reads,"Made In USA". Apparently, that's no longer the case. I did a search and can't find country of origin. Anybody know?

My guess would be


Barnes Bullets
© 2020, Barnes Bullets, LLC.

38 Frontage Rd Mona, UT 84645

It's made in China!

OK guys, come on. I was just josh'n. God forbid that our ammo production goes over there. RJ

I have no idea where Barnes VOR-TX ammo is produced. I do have a couple of boxes of VOR-TX 6.5 Creedmoor ammunition--which does not say where it was made. The only info on the box says it's copyrighted in 2017 by "Barnes Bullets, LLC. P.O.B. 620, Mona Utah." However, copyright had nothing to do with where it's made. (Interestingly, the small print on the box is both in English and French, perhaps to make it easier to sell in Canada--or at least Quebec. As far as I can ascertain, lead-free bullets are not required there--or in France itself--except perhaps in certain areas.)

Barnes was acquired by Remington in 2009, so we might suspect my ammo was made by Remington--or at the least, Remington supplied the Barnes headstamped brass to be loaded in Utah. But Remington's ammo plant in Lonoke, Arkansas was sold to Vista Outdoors last year--a conglomerate that owns many shooting-product companies, including Alliant Powder, CCI, Speer, Butler Creek, Weaver, etc. The Arkansas ammo plant is now back up and running again, but Barnes Bullets was sold to Sierra Bullets, so is no longer part of Remington.

Kinda reminds me of a shell game, trying to remember what shell the pea is under....

I don't guess it matters as long as it's made somewhere and it's good stuff.

DF

So is Barnes ammo still in production?

Is it going to be made by Remington or Sierra in the future?

Perhaps Mule Deer can find out for us.

It matters to me.

1) It used to be made in America, by Americans. Are these people now out of a job?

2) Apparently, now it's imported from somewhere. Hence, the covering of the Made In America printing on the end flap. But where? I like to know what country is receiving the money I spend, and whether or not I want to continue purchasing that product, no matter how well it performs or how well I like it.

3) There's a good possibility, and I'm not saying it is, that it may be made in China. If that was the case and other ammo manufacturers decided to follow suit, ponder that for just a moment. How would you like those Cokksukkers controlling the faucet?

Let's hope not Chicom. And, I would doubt it's made there.

Probably Europe if not USA.

Or South Korea, or Mexico, or......

DF

I sent a request via E-mail to their customer service department asking them where.

Amazing how easy that was instead of instantly making a tin-foil hat because some stickers covered up the country of manufacture.

Or maybe too many of the components are sourced outside of USA to legally be termed Made in USA. That's why Leupolds are no longer Made in America.

Which Leupold is no longer made in USA? Or, more accurately, designed, machined, and assembled in the USA?

What fun is that? Some people here can't live without their daily conspiracy theory.

Get a hold of yourself. No conspiracy theory implied. I merely asked if anyone knew where they are manufactured. If you don't have the answer or if the question triggered you in some way, I can't help that. Just scroll on by if the post displeases you.

I know the bullets are made in Mona, Utah but not sure about the loaded ammo,
A member of this forum GSSP works there mabey he will chime in

Reach out to user GSSP. He's employed by Barnes in Utah.

You're really jumping to conclusions based on a sticker on a box.

Contact Barnes or Remington.

Leupold scopes are made in America. There was a Redfield model of scope that was not made in America.

Binoculars, rangefinders and spotting scopes are not made in America, except maybe the Gold Ring spotting scope.

Why would he contact Remington? I plainly stated in my earlier post on this thread that Remington has nothing to do with Barnes--because Remington, as an entire entity, declared bankruptcy in 2019, and the various parts of what used to be Remington were sold at auction in 2020.

Anything sold in Canada anywhere need bilingual labeling.

Ok ok contact Winchester then gees no need to get all grandpa grumpy on us..

Why in hell would you want to contact Winchester?
Geez, you post stupid crap and then get offend when called on it

Made in USA and Assembled in USA have different legal meanings when it comes to selling products. If Leupolds that are labeled Assembled in USA met the requirements for Made in USA, you can be certain it would be stated that way. There's plenty on the Internet to read about the differences between made and assembled. Could be the same thing with Barnes ammo. Or it could be nothing at all but a misplaced sticker.

Reply back from Barnes after I sent them an E-mail asking where their bullets are made:


Yes it is all made here in Mona UT.

Thank You

Ryan Farr | Tech Support/Consumer Services Lead
Barnes Bullets



Barnes Bullets disclaims all possible liability for damages including actual, incidental and consequential, resulting from usage of the information or advice contained in this message.
Use the data and advice at your own risk, and with extreme caution.
IMPORTANT NOTE: Always begin loading from the minimum "START” charge and carefully develop loads by increasing in small increments of 2% towards the Maximum load.

38 North Frontage Road, PO Box 620, Mona, UT 84645
Phone 435-856-1000 | Fax 435-856-1040

sorry to disrupt all your theories and gossip

Bugger,

I think most on this thread assumed Barnes bullets are still being made in Utah--and I already knew that.. The OP's question was about where the ammo's made.

This is what I sent:

There's a discussion on 24hourcampfire on where your bullets etc. is made. Is it all in Utah?



Thanks

I should have said bullets and ammo rather than bullets etc.

Bugger

I'll send a reply asking ammo in particular.

This time the reply was immediate

In Mona Utah



Thank You

Ryan Farr | Tech Support/Consumer Services Lead
Barnes Bullets



Barnes Bullets disclaims all possible liability for damages including actual, incidental and consequential, resulting from usage of the information or advice contained in this message.
Use the data and advice at your own risk, and with extreme caution.
IMPORTANT NOTE: Always begin loading from the minimum "START” charge and carefully develop loads by increasing in small increments of 2% towards the Maximum load.


38 North Frontage Road, PO Box 620, Mona, UT 84645
Phone 435-856-1000 | Fax 435-856-1040



From: Lynn Hardy <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2021 9:41 AM
To: Ryan Farr <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: RE: Manufacturing plant



Thanks Ryan



I guess the question is "where is the ammo made?"

I emailed and asked specifically about ammo production since that was my original question, not reloading components. Here is the response a just received from Ryan:


Ryan Farr
4:28 PM (7 minutes ago)

to me

Tim
Most of the brass we use is Lapua or Norma and because that is not made in the USA we cannot use the Made in USA.

Thank You

Ryan Farr | Tech Support/Consumer Services Lead
Barnes Bullets


He answered my question simply and satisfactorily, without resorting to calling me a conspiracy theorist.
Thank you for the response Ryan.

Apparently NOWHERE these days. Can't find squat!

Absolutely correct. Thank you, Mule Deer.

Why don't you take a piece of your own advice and learn how to read before you throw your sucker in the dirt and stomp off toward home and mommy......................Might keep you from looking like a dumb arse yourself in the future!!

Lapua? Norma? Schwing!

Just like I said, and what a few had trouble comprehending. Could be the powder they use too.

You guys crack me up. Not made in America bad. Unless it’s Lapua or Norma? Why don’t you demand they use made in America WW or RP? Oh right. Because it’s garbage. :-)

I've only had their .223 and .243 ammo so can't speak extensively, but neither of those looked like Lapua.

What does Lapua look like?

The son of a good friend of mine works at Barnes in Utah. As of this fall he mentioned the ammo production was in the Utah plant, but I do recall him mentioning a few years back that some of the ammo was being made elsewhere, but maybe that has changed. He also mentioned that the ammo couldn't be labeled "Made In The USA" because some components came from foreign suppliers. I just assumed it was the powder they were using that was made outside the US but apparently the brass is too.

More to the point, Not Made In China...........

Although I would prefer all handloading components and ammo be made in the USA, I don't have a problem with the Swedes and Scandinavians as suppliers.

Did you seriously think it was made in China?

Swedes aren't Scandinavians? :-)

In the cartridges I've seen, this:


Note the ring around the primer pocket. No, they're not mine.

In English usage, Scandinavia can refer to Denmark, Norway and Sweden, sometimes more narrowly to the Scandinavian Peninsula, or more broadly to include the Åland Islands, the Faroe Islands, Finland and Iceland.

I don't know how much I trust the intellectuals at Wikipedia

Good luck and shoot straight y'all .

.

That ring is a crimp. Ran across some Hornady 308 match brass that has the same.

No, it's not a crimp. Comes right out of the box as components with it. Do I need to go take a picture?

Wikepedia aside, Scandinavia is indeed considered a region, due to the similarity of languages in Denmark, Norway and Sweden, and many other cultural similarities Plus, Norway and Sweden have a long history of connections, including being ruled by one king not all that long ago--and 500 years ago Denmark, Norway and Sweden were all ruled by one king.

Norway and Sweden also co-developed the 6.5x55 "Swedish," but used the cartridge in different rifles, the Swedes various Mausers (the reason it's often called the 6.5x55 Swedish Mauser cartridge) and the Norwegians the Krag-Jorgensen, developed in Norway. Though (perhaps not so oddly) the first country adopt the Krag-Jorgensen rifle as their military rifle was Denmark--and the last was Norway--after the U.S. adopted "the Krag" in the early 1890s.

Finland does not share the same basic language as the other Scandinavian countries, though it does essentially form another "wing" of the Norway/Sweden peninsula. Iceland was primarily settled by Norwegians, after originally being settled by Gaelics, so it's cultural and language roots are primarily Norwegian..

who got Lefever?

The picture you took was not of a "component." The picture you took appeared to me to be fired factory rounds.

Duh

lol.....Correct, which is why I made the distinction of Swedes AND Scandinavians.......

At least, the Swedes I know don't consider themselves Scandinavians. Preferring to make a distinction between themselves and the other Scandinavian countries. At least, that was the case with two Swedes when I made the comment including Sweden with Scandinavia.

Finns aren't Scandinavians but Swedes sure are.

Are you addressing me ?

I cant say for certainty who makes Barnes ammo, but their brass certainly isnt Remington. In 300 Ultra barnes cases have drastically different weights than Rem cases.

In your opinions, is this ring any different?


And regardless whether it is or not, my point was that the Lapua brass I've seen has had a ring in the primer pockets whereas Barnes brass hasn't.

You must be a real ph ucking hoot at Parties pull that stick out of your ass and get a sense of humor retard... only idiot posting stupid chit is you..

Look another retard is on the scene.. go shove some more nickels in the gumball machine retard..

You are a certified idiot

^^^Truth^^^

My Tikka doesn't go "Bang!", it goes "Pamaus!" with an slight Italian accent :-)

Yes, I work at Barnes Bullets as a Ballistic Lab Tech. Ryan Farr works just up the stairs in CS. He and Chase are super good guys and know their stuff. All current Barnes Ammo is made at our facility in Mona, Utah. When owned by Remington, some of our ammo was made at the Lonoke, AR factory, now owned by Vista/Federal with the balance being made here, in Utah.

Sorry for the late reply. 12 hour graveyard shifts kind of take it out this old guy.

Maybe it's the current politics of Sweden they were referring to.......