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The 6.5 Creedmoor

Posted By: Sharpsman

The 6.5 Creedmoor - 05/12/20

Seems like in the beginning with the introduction of the 6.5 Creedmoor cartridge there were many whom had made the purchase thereof were somewhat 'chided' for doing so. However, for the individual that doesn't handload their ammo it's a very good cartridge as there is commercial ammo that is very accurate at a reasonable cost. I've got a buddy, Jeff Southern that shoots with me and yesterday Jeff proceeded to shoot these five shots into a fist sized five shot group from 900 yards. This was shooting the Berger 140 Hybrid Target bullet. This isn't the first time I might add as it occurs on a regular basis!

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Posted By: 300MAG

Re: The 6.5 Creedmoor - 05/12/20

I love my 6.5 Creedmoor...its a HAMMER!!!
Posted By: RIO7

Re: The 6.5 Creedmoor - 05/12/20


GOOD SHOOT'IN Rio7
Posted By: Sharpsman

Re: The 6.5 Creedmoor - 05/12/20

https://www.[bleep].com/gp/[email protected]/9c60Nq
Posted By: Motown

Re: The 6.5 Creedmoor - 05/12/20

I swore I would never own a creed but I am a big Tikka fan and had to try out the creed in a T3X lite. That was an awful idea because it has now become my favorite rifle hands down.

Posted By: bigsqueeze

Re: The 6.5 Creedmoor - 05/12/20

Originally Posted by Sharpsman
Seems like in the beginning with the introduction of the 6.5 Creedmoor cartridge there were many whom had made the purchase thereof were somewhat 'chided' for doing so. However, for the individual that doesn't handload their ammo it's a very good cartridge as there is commercial ammo that is very accurate at a reasonable cost. I've got a buddy, Jeff Southern that shoots with me and yesterday Jeff proceeded to shoot these five shots into a fist sized five shot group from 900 yards. This was shooting the Berger 140 Hybrid Target bullet. This isn't the first time I might add as it occurs on a regular basis!

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.............................And your buddy's rifle is??..............
Posted By: Higginez

Re: The 6.5 Creedmoor - 05/13/20

Originally Posted by bigsqueeze
Originally Posted by Sharpsman
Seems like in the beginning with the introduction of the 6.5 Creedmoor cartridge there were many whom had made the purchase thereof were somewhat 'chided' for doing so. However, for the individual that doesn't handload their ammo it's a very good cartridge as there is commercial ammo that is very accurate at a reasonable cost. I've got a buddy, Jeff Southern that shoots with me and yesterday Jeff proceeded to shoot these five shots into a fist sized five shot group from 900 yards. This was shooting the Berger 140 Hybrid Target bullet. This isn't the first time I might add as it occurs on a regular basis!

[Linked Image from live.staticflickr.com]Untitled by .com/photos/[email protected]/]Sharps Man, on [bleep]
.............................And your buddy's rifle is??..............


It's a Six Five bro!
Posted By: hanco

Re: The 6.5 Creedmoor - 05/13/20

Mighty fine shooting
Posted By: Dre

Re: The 6.5 Creedmoor - 05/13/20

Originally Posted by Motown
I swore I would never own a creed but I am a big Tikka fan and had to try out the creed in a T3X lite. That was an awful idea because it has now become my favorite rifle hands down.



I’m pretty much In the same boat.
Drank the creed cool aid and love it!
Posted By: bsa1917hunter

Re: The 6.5 Creedmoor - 05/13/20

I like the creed. It slices through the wind like a hot knife through butter.
Posted By: GregW

Re: The 6.5 Creedmoor - 05/13/20

Originally Posted by bsa1917hunter
I like the creed. It slices through the wind like a hot knife through butter.


So does every 6.5 cartridge. That is not nearly the main reason why the Creed is fantastic....
Posted By: bsa1917hunter

Re: The 6.5 Creedmoor - 05/13/20

Originally Posted by GregW
Originally Posted by bsa1917hunter
I like the creed. It slices through the wind like a hot knife through butter.


So does every 6.5 cartridge. That is not nearly the main reason why the Creed is fantastic....


You probably wear a t shirt that says as much.
Posted By: GregW

Re: The 6.5 Creedmoor - 05/13/20

Originally Posted by bsa1917hunter
Originally Posted by GregW
Originally Posted by bsa1917hunter
I like the creed. It slices through the wind like a hot knife through butter.


So does every 6.5 cartridge. That is not nearly the main reason why the Creed is fantastic....


You probably wear a t shirt that says as much.


Ok Blackheart. I don't even own a Creedmore and never have.

You haters are hilariously sad and you are showing your age....

Posted By: Sharpsman

Re: The 6.5 Creedmoor - 05/13/20

Originally Posted by Higbean
Originally Posted by bigsqueeze
Originally Posted by Sharpsman
Seems like in the beginning with the introduction of the 6.5 Creedmoor cartridge there were many whom had made the purchase thereof were somewhat 'chided' for doing so. However, for the individual that doesn't handload their ammo it's a very good cartridge as there is commercial ammo that is very accurate at a reasonable cost. I've got a buddy, Jeff Southern that shoots with me and yesterday Jeff proceeded to shoot these five shots into a fist sized five shot group from 900 yards. This was shooting the Berger 140 Hybrid Target bullet. This isn't the first time I might add as it occurs on a regular basis!

[Linked Image from live.staticflickr.com]Untitled by .com/photos/[email protected]/]Sharps Man, on [bleep]
.............................And your buddy's rifle is??..............


It's a Six Five bro!


A Jon Beanland on a Remington 700 action!
Posted By: Yondering

Re: The 6.5 Creedmoor - 05/13/20

Originally Posted by Sharpsman
Seems like in the beginning with the introduction of the 6.5 Creedmoor cartridge there were many whom had made the purchase thereof were somewhat 'chided' for doing so. However, for the individual that doesn't handload their ammo it's a very good cartridge as there is commercial ammo that is very accurate at a reasonable cost. I've got a buddy, Jeff Southern that shoots with me and yesterday Jeff proceeded to shoot these five shots into a fist sized five shot group from 900 yards. This was shooting the Berger 140 Hybrid Target bullet. This isn't the first time I might add as it occurs on a regular basis!



Looks like Jeff knows his way around a rifle, nice shootin!

The supposed "Creedmoor fad" and emergence of the haters is an interesting phenomenon for those of us who were aware of the cartridge and using it for a while before it was popular. The cartridge had been around for quite a while and used with great success, but a lot of people never heard of it because it didn't really hit the mainstream until it started getting gun magazine articles written about it. Then all of a sudden this cartridge we'd been using was "new", then supposedly a "fad", and then some guys started hating on it because of it's popularity. Meanwhile those of us who'd been using it already are looking around wondering "what's going on here?". Seems like a lot of unnecessary hoopla stemming mostly from the barely-informed masses who get all their info from gun magazines.
Posted By: hanco

Re: The 6.5 Creedmoor - 05/13/20

It’s easy on your shoulder for sure!
Posted By: JGRaider

Re: The 6.5 Creedmoor - 05/13/20

Originally Posted by GregW
Originally Posted by bsa1917hunter
I like the creed. It slices through the wind like a hot knife through butter.


So does every 6.5 cartridge. That is not nearly the main reason why the Creed is fantastic....



That clown meant to say "it slices through paper like a hot knife through butter"
Posted By: Sharpsman

Re: The 6.5 Creedmoor - 05/13/20

Another Jon Beanland:

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Posted By: sbhooper

Re: The 6.5 Creedmoor - 05/13/20

I have two with Criterion barrels. They both shoot anything that I want to put through them. Those that hate them, don't know them. It is a good, mild-shooting/recoiling, easy loading cartridge that performs extremely well on range, or on deer and antelope. I'll keep mine.
Posted By: bigwhoop

Re: The 6.5 Creedmoor - 05/13/20

Can't argue with success. A caribou at 375 and a cow elk at 122 - so far
Posted By: Ghostman

Re: The 6.5 Creedmoor - 05/13/20

Who uses Berger target bullets when hunting. What does it shoot with hunting loads?
Posted By: Castle_Rock

Re: The 6.5 Creedmoor - 05/13/20

Originally Posted by Ghostman
Who uses Berger target bullets when hunting. What does it shoot with hunting loads?

That is an excellent hunting bullet
Posted By: Pharmseller

Re: The 6.5 Creedmoor - 05/13/20

I don’t get it.

Anything the 6.5 CM can do, the 7mm-08 can do better, at least inside 700 yards. Recoil is comparable.

Plus, the Mighty -08 can shoot bullets heavier than 156 grains. Dunno why you’d want to, but you could.
Posted By: hanco

Re: The 6.5 Creedmoor - 05/14/20

I like the 120 Barnes in mine. Kills deer and pigs DRT
Posted By: JMR40

Re: The 6.5 Creedmoor - 05/14/20

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I don’t get it.

Anything the 6.5 CM can do, the 7mm-08 can do better, at least inside 700 yards. Recoil is comparable.


Anything the 7-08 does, the 6.5 CM does just as well, inside of 700 yards. And a lot more beyond about 700. 6.5CM recoil is closer to 243 than 7-08. Factory 6.5 ammo is much more available and cheaper than 7-08. And I'd bet money that 8/10 rifles will be more accurate firing 6.5CM. Especially with factory loads.

I was skeptical too, but bought a Ruger Predator in 6.5 just to see if it lived up to the hype. It was the cheapest way for me to experiment with the round. It's a $350 rifle that outshoots everything else in the safe. I always thought that my rifles and cartridges were more accurate than me. That I was the real limitation to accuracy. That may still be true, but I've been able to shoot this combo better than anything else. And I haven't even had an opportunity to really stretch things out past 400 yards yet.
Posted By: Kimber7man

Re: The 6.5 Creedmoor - 05/14/20

Originally Posted by Ghostman
Who uses Berger target bullets when hunting. What does it shoot with hunting loads?


Berger 135 grain Classic Hunter bullet. For those who have to read it on the box. it’s a hunting bullet.
Posted By: Dre

Re: The 6.5 Creedmoor - 05/14/20

Originally Posted by Pharmseller
I don’t get it.

Anything the 6.5 CM can do, the 7mm-08 can do better, at least inside 700 yards. Recoil is comparable.

Plus, the Mighty -08 can shoot bullets heavier than 156 grains. Dunno why you’d want to, but you could.


The reason I went with the 6.5 is ammo availability.
Even though I reload, The cost of some ammo is about as cheap as reloading. S&B 140 gr FMJ for 10.99! And MOA.
Can the 7-08 do that?.....asking for a friend lol
Posted By: GregW

Re: The 6.5 Creedmoor - 05/14/20

Originally Posted by Pharmseller
I don’t get it.

Anything the 6.5 CM can do, the 7mm-08 can do better, at least inside 700 yards. Recoil is comparable.

Plus, the Mighty -08 can shoot bullets heavier than 156 grains. Dunno why you’d want to, but you could.



They're the same thing. No need to nit pick. And as you know, I love the 7-08...
Posted By: atse

Re: The 6.5 Creedmoor - 05/14/20

Originally Posted by Ghostman
Who uses Berger target bullets when hunting. What does it shoot with hunting loads?

I use the Berger hybrid in 6mm for hunting about everything. They perform very well.
Posted By: aalf

Re: The 6.5 Creedmoor - 05/14/20


Anything the Crapmore does, can be done with a 6.5x47 Lapua, along with a better fit in a 2.800" mag box.



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Posted By: Jordan Smith

Re: The 6.5 Creedmoor - 05/14/20

Originally Posted by JMR40
Quote
I don’t get it.

Anything the 6.5 CM can do, the 7mm-08 can do better, at least inside 700 yards. Recoil is comparable.


Anything the 7-08 does, the 6.5 CM does just as well, inside of 700 yards. And a lot more beyond about 700.


It's all about the bullet. The 7-08 has higher-BC bullets available, but it starts them off slower. So in the best case scenarios for both, the 6.5 Creedmoor has an initial velocity advantage, while the 7-08 has the BC advantage. Velocity is a diminishing quantity but BC, like a diamond, is forever (roughly speaking). That is why the 6.5 Creedmoor may have the initial advantage in impact velocity, drop, wind drift, but beyond a certain distance the 7-08 takes over.

Originally Posted by JMR40

6.5CM recoil is closer to 243 than 7-08.

That really depends on the load used in each. Using a rifle weight of 7 lbs for all three, Hodgdon data for consistency in load data between the three, and the JBM recoil calculator, .243 recoil ranges from about 7.4 ft-lbs/8.3 fps to 14.5/11.6, the recoil of the 6.5 Creedmoor ranges from about 11.1/10.1 to 17.2/12.6, and finally the 7-08's recoil ranges from about 11.3/10.2 to 19.8/13.5. So you can see that depending on the specific load used in each the 6.5 Creedmoor can be closer to the .243 or the 7-08, but assuming the most ballistically efficient load in each (heaviest, highest-BC bullet) we're looking at the top end of the recoil range for each. Then the .243 would generate 14.5 ft-lbs at 11.6 fps, the 6.5 Creedmoor would produce 17.2 ft-lbs at 12.6 fps, and the 7-08 would have 19.8 ft-lbs at 13.5 fps. So the 6.5 Creedmoor is basically smack-dab in between the .243 and the 7-08, but just slightly closer to the 7-08.

Originally Posted by JMR40
Factory 6.5 ammo is much more available and cheaper than 7-08. And I'd bet money that 8/10 rifles will be more accurate firing 6.5CM. Especially with factory loads.


Agreed.
Posted By: Jordan Smith

Re: The 6.5 Creedmoor - 05/14/20

Originally Posted by aalf

Anything the Crapmore does, can be done with a 6.5x47 Lapua, along with a better fit in a 2.800" mag box.


Other than availability of factory ammo, factory rifles, and brass options.
Posted By: mathman

Re: The 6.5 Creedmoor - 05/14/20

If Lapua et al had marketed better then they'd be in the driver's seat.
Posted By: Sheister

Re: The 6.5 Creedmoor - 05/14/20

This conversation just keeps raging on and it seems like somebody lights a fuse every time it comes up. I don't see enough difference in these two rounds to be worth arguing over. IMO, pick one that sounds cool to you and use and I'm betting you won't see an ounce of difference between them - and that's only if you've used both in similar situations...

What I really wonder though,is how long the 6.5 CM will need to be out before it is just accepted like most other rounds have been over the years that may or may not have the same capabilities of the CM....
Posted By: huntsman22

Re: The 6.5 Creedmoor - 05/14/20

Originally Posted by Jordan Smith
Originally Posted by aalf

Anything the Crapmore does, can be done with a 6.5x47 Lapua, along with a better fit in a 2.800" mag box.


Other than availability of factory ammo, factory rifles, and brass options.



and real primers. grin
Posted By: SKane

Re: The 6.5 Creedmoor - 05/14/20

Originally Posted by huntsman22
Originally Posted by Jordan Smith
Originally Posted by aalf

Anything the Crapmore does, can be done with a 6.5x47 Lapua, along with a better fit in a 2.800" mag box.


Other than availability of factory ammo, factory rifles, and brass options.



and real primers. grin



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Posted By: aalf

Re: The 6.5 Creedmoor - 05/14/20


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Posted By: aalf

Re: The 6.5 Creedmoor - 05/14/20

https://www.creedmoorsports.com/pro...-brass-cases-small-pocket/starline-brass

https://www.petersoncartridge.com/m.../65-creedmoor-srp-brass-cartridge-cases/
Posted By: aalf

Re: The 6.5 Creedmoor - 05/14/20

Originally Posted by Jordan Smith
Originally Posted by aalf
Anything the Crapmore does, can be done with a 6.5x47 Lapua, along with a better fit in a 2.800" mag box.
Other than availability of factory ammo, factory rifles, and brass options.

I was talking performance.....of course you knew that.......
Posted By: Jordan Smith

Re: The 6.5 Creedmoor - 05/14/20

Originally Posted by huntsman22
Originally Posted by Jordan Smith
Originally Posted by aalf

Anything the Crapmore does, can be done with a 6.5x47 Lapua, along with a better fit in a 2.800" mag box.


Other than availability of factory ammo, factory rifles, and brass options.



and real primers. grin

Yes, it's nice to have the option of SR or LR.
Posted By: Jordan Smith

Re: The 6.5 Creedmoor - 05/14/20

Originally Posted by aalf
Originally Posted by Jordan Smith
Originally Posted by aalf
Anything the Crapmore does, can be done with a 6.5x47 Lapua, along with a better fit in a 2.800" mag box.
Other than availability of factory ammo, factory rifles, and brass options.

I was talking performance.....of course you knew that.......

Of course there are benefits to the Lap (shorter OAL), but there are benefits to the Creed, as well. That's all I'm saying. Aside from availability and popularity, they're VERY similar in almost every way.
Posted By: Hondo64d

Re: The 6.5 Creedmoor - 05/16/20

Originally Posted by aalf

Anything the Crapmore does, can be done with a 6.5x47 Lapua, along with a better fit in a 2.800" mag box.



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Except for readily available, affordable factory ammo...

John
Posted By: Coyotejunki

Re: The 6.5 Creedmoor - 05/16/20

I don't understand the hatred for the 6.5 CM.

I have an older CZ 550 in 6.5x55 that I love and has been my favorite deer rifle for many years. I wanted to shoot a shorter barreled 6.5 with my new suppressor at the time. I did not want to change the CZ, so I bought 2 Howas from Whitakers when they had the sale a while back. I thought was a good price and not out a lot of money If I didn't like them. One I cut to 18" and threaded. the other is still NIB.The modified one kills deer just as nice for me as any rifle I have ever used.

I guess some people still hate the 223 because the 222 was such a good round. And we all know about 270 shooters, right? smile
Posted By: Dirtfarmer

Re: The 6.5 Creedmoor - 05/16/20

Originally Posted by Hondo64d
Originally Posted by aalf

Anything the Crapmore does, can be done with a 6.5x47 Lapua, along with a better fit in a 2.800" mag box.



[Linked Image from i.imgur.com]


Except for readily available, affordable factory ammo...

John

You made a key point summarizing the popularity of the Creed.

Aalf is right, as he usually is, but representing the thinking of a hard core Loony, not Joe Sixpack or the unwashed masses who walk into their LGS asking “what’s best“. You already know what the “expert” behind the counter is gonna say.

DF
Posted By: bsa1917hunter

Re: The 6.5 Creedmoor - 05/24/20

Originally Posted by Coyotejunki
I don't understand the hatred for the 6.5 CM.

I have an older CZ 550 in 6.5x55 that I love and has been my favorite deer rifle for many years. I wanted to shoot a shorter barreled 6.5 with my new suppressor at the time. I did not want to change the CZ, so I bought 2 Howas from Whitakers when they had the sale a while back. I thought was a good price and not out a lot of money If I didn't like them. One I cut to 18" and threaded. the other is still NIB.The modified one kills deer just as nice for me as any rifle I have ever used.

I guess some people still hate the 223 because the 222 was such a good round. And we all know about 270 shooters, right? smile


The ones that hate it, haven't tried it. There's a lot to be loved about the 6.5 CM. Nice shooting to the OP's buddy Jeff too, by the way..
Posted By: 79S

Re: The 6.5 Creedmoor - 05/24/20

Nothing wrong with 6.5 cm, I will say it was one of the easiest to get to shoot. Pick a 4350 powder and bullet of choice and go shoot.
Posted By: bsa1917hunter

Re: The 6.5 Creedmoor - 05/24/20

Originally Posted by 79S
Nothing wrong with 6.5 cm, I will say it was one of the easiest to get to shoot. Pick a 4350 powder and bullet of choice and go shoot.


The 6.5 CM was designed to shoot well at long range. For me, its been the easiest to get the pills to land where they are supposed to when you stretch the distance out. Even in windy conditions. It takes a lot of headache out of the equation. I see that a lot when I'm shooting against my boss at our 450 yard range. He's using berger VLD's in his 300wm and they just don't perform nearly as well as the high bc 6.5 bullets I use. I'm also talking about hitting 1/2 moa targets with regularity here. He's lucky to consistently hit the 6" plate, where I generally will smack the hell out of the little 2" plate:
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Here's one such picture to show you that exact scenerio. He tried and tried to hit the 4", but no could do. Had to swallow his pride and barely hit the 6" plate. I hit the 2" too many times that it broke the factory weld seam loose. The same thing happened to the 6" plate my boss hit. Welded those seams up proper, now we don't have issues with that anymore... 2" is a small target to hit at 400 yards, but that is where the 6.5 creedmoor really shines. Some guys get it, some guys wine about it, some guys hate it....
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Posted By: Dirtfarmer

Re: The 6.5 Creedmoor - 05/24/20

Originally Posted by 79S
Nothing wrong with 6.5 cm, I will say it was one of the easiest to get to shoot. Pick a 4350 powder and bullet of choice and go shoot.

For sure.

And, you can even get great performance with factory ammo.

Can’t say that for every round.

DF
Posted By: 79S

Re: The 6.5 Creedmoor - 05/24/20

Originally Posted by bsa1917hunter
Originally Posted by 79S
Nothing wrong with 6.5 cm, I will say it was one of the easiest to get to shoot. Pick a 4350 powder and bullet of choice and go shoot.


The 6.5 CM was designed to shoot well at long range. For me, its been the easiest to get the pills to land where they are supposed to when you stretch the distance out. Even in windy conditions. It takes a lot of headache out of the equation. I see that a lot when I'm shooting against my boss at our 450 yard range. He's using berger VLD's in his 300wm and they just don't perform nearly as well as the high bc 6.5 bullets I use. I'm also talking about hitting 1/2 moa targets with regularity here. He's lucky to consistently hit the 6" plate, where I generally will smack the hell out of the little 2" plate:
[Linked Image from i.imgur.com]

Here's one such picture to show you that exact scenerio. He tried and tried to hit the 4", but no could do. Had to swallow his pride and barely hit the 6" plate. I hit the 2" too many times that it broke the factory weld seam loose. The same thing happened to the 6" plate my boss hit. Welded those seams up proper, now we don't have issues with that anymore... 2" is a small target to hit at 400 yards, but that is where the 6.5 creedmoor really shines. Some guys get it, some guys wine about it, some guys hate it....
[Linked Image from i.imgur.com]


One can find several write up on the internet how the 6.5 CM came about.. also helped hornady went all in with it, provided a lot tech support..
Posted By: 79S

Re: The 6.5 Creedmoor - 05/24/20

Originally Posted by Sheister
This conversation just keeps raging on and it seems like somebody lights a fuse every time it comes up. I don't see enough difference in these two rounds to be worth arguing over. IMO, pick one that sounds cool to you and use and I'm betting you won't see an ounce of difference between them - and that's only if you've used both in similar situations...

What I really wonder though,is how long the 6.5 CM will need to be out before it is just accepted like most other rounds have been over the years that may or may not have the same capabilities of the CM....



You talk like the 6.5 CM came out last month.. it came out in 2007.. the 270 which has a bunch of naysayers came out in 1925 and still isn’t accepted by many to include the same ones that dump on the 6.5 CM
Posted By: bsa1917hunter

Re: The 6.5 Creedmoor - 05/24/20

Originally Posted by Dirtfarmer
Originally Posted by 79S
Nothing wrong with 6.5 cm, I will say it was one of the easiest to get to shoot. Pick a 4350 powder and bullet of choice and go shoot.

For sure.

And, you can even get great performance with factory ammo.

Can’t say that for every round.

DF


Sure as chidt. I have a funny story to tell about a coworker I sold my Savage 12fv to. He was feeling left out because he didn't have a rifle to shoot when we went and shot 400 yards, so I sold him one of my 6.5's. Yeah, the rifle shoots very well. I worked it over like usual with bedding and load development. Anyway, this is how she shot with my handloads:
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I made him a package deal for $500.00. SWFA SS 16X MIL/MIL quad etc and rifle. I scribed the turret so that I could shoot out to 1000 yards with the rifle. So anyway, last weekend he is bear hunting with my boss and my bosses father in law that recently bought a Huskemaw rifle for $7,000.00. I guess my bosses FIL was having a hard time hitting the target at 550 yards, so my shop forman pulls out the rifle I sold him and he calmly turned the dial until it was in between the 5 and 6 that I had scribed:
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He adjusts the parallax/focus on the scope and puts 2 right in the middle of the target, then calmly puts the rifle back in its case. My boss and his FIL say, "aren't you going to shoot anymore". He says, "no I'm good, I hit the target. You guys need to keep shooting though".. This wasn't shot with my handloads either, but with the Hornady match load that uses the same bullet my handload does. It runs about 30-50 fps slower than my loads do... There are some good factory ammo out there for the creed, for sure.
Posted By: Dirtfarmer

Re: The 6.5 Creedmoor - 05/24/20

Great story, bsa.

Loved it. David whupped up on ole Goliath, yet again.

DF
Posted By: bsa1917hunter

Re: The 6.5 Creedmoor - 05/24/20

Originally Posted by Dirtfarmer
Great story, bsa.

Loved it. David whupped up on ole Goliath, yet again.

DF


Ha ha.. Yeah.. I forgot to mention that they both use magnums. The "best of the west" Huskemaw chambered in 7mm rem mag and the other a Rem 700 300wm... grin. They are also using very expensive scopes. My boss uses a Leupold VX6 HD 4-24x52 with CDS. They did get spanked though...
Posted By: Dirtfarmer

Re: The 6.5 Creedmoor - 05/25/20

Pay for what ya get...

Or NOT...!

Ha!

DF
Posted By: bsa1917hunter

Re: The 6.5 Creedmoor - 05/25/20

Originally Posted by Dirtfarmer
Pay for what ya get...

Or NOT...!

Ha!

DF


HA HA.... grin whistle
Posted By: shawlerbrook

Re: The 6.5 Creedmoor - 05/25/20

Seems like the 6.5PRC has surpassed the Creedmore with those really into long range precision.
Posted By: Sharpsman

Re: The 6.5 Creedmoor - 05/27/20

Bastardized version of 6.5x284!
Posted By: sbhooper

Re: The 6.5 Creedmoor - 05/27/20

Originally Posted by shawlerbrook
Seems like the 6.5PRC has surpassed the Creedmore with those really into long range precision.


And not caring about barrel longevity.
Posted By: bsa1917hunter

Re: The 6.5 Creedmoor - 05/27/20

Originally Posted by sbhooper
Originally Posted by shawlerbrook
Seems like the 6.5PRC has surpassed the Creedmore with those really into long range precision.


And not caring about barrel longevity.


Or the price of ammo
Posted By: huntsman22

Re: The 6.5 Creedmoor - 05/28/20

How much more 'powder capacity' does that 'stretch version' have over the 6.5x284? And how many less rounds does it take to 'burn out a barrel'? To the same 'burnt-out state, of course?....
Posted By: huntsman22

Re: The 6.5 Creedmoor - 05/28/20

Hmmmmm.....sumbuddy deleted the stretch version post. who'da figgered?
Posted By: Dirtfarmer

Re: The 6.5 Creedmoor - 05/28/20

Originally Posted by huntsman22
How much more 'powder capacity' does that 'stretch version' have over the 6.5x284? And how many less rounds does it take to 'burn out a barrel'? To the same 'burnt-out state, of course?....

Actually they are pretty close. I did some checking.

Seems the advantage of the PRC over the 6.5-284 is cheaper quality factory ammo, much like what seemed to give the 6.5 CM such a jump on its competition.

The PRC has a mag diameter rim, whereas the 6.5-284 is rebated '06 diameter.

As with the Creed, a big difference seems to be marketing. Factory PRC ammo is hotter than factory 6.5-284 ammo, but with the handloader, pretty close.

I have a great Pre-64 Krieger 26" 6.5-284, not looking for a 6.5 PRC.

At similar velocities, I would think barrel life would be pretty close.

DF
Posted By: Dirtfarmer

Re: The 6.5 Creedmoor - 05/28/20

Originally Posted by huntsman22
Hmmmmm.....sumbuddy deleted the stretch version post. who'da figgered?

Somebody was me. What I wrote wasn't stated right.

Unlike some Dem politicians, I set out to correct it, not run with fake news...

blush

DF
Posted By: huntsman22

Re: The 6.5 Creedmoor - 05/28/20

I guess what I was getting at, in a roundabout way, is the 6.5-06 is THE stretch version.....

the prc and 'by284 are peas in a pod.
Posted By: Dirtfarmer

Re: The 6.5 Creedmoor - 05/28/20

Originally Posted by huntsman22
I guess what I was getting at, in a roundabout way, is the 6.5-06 is THE stretch version.....

the prc and 'by284 are peas in a pod.

Yep, they peas in a pod, performance about equal, all three.

And, even though the shorter ones are a bit long, IMO, for a SA, like 2.9" COAL, they need to be in a LA unless someone has a 3" action.

The 6.5-06, of course, is a LA round.

My 6.5-284 is in a Pre-64, so LA. That gives me plenty of room for whatever bullet I want to use. I'm now shooting 140 VLD's over RL-17 at an honest 3K fps.

DF


Edited to add, that's my 6.5-284 pictured over on the Swaro Z5 thread.

Posted By: Seafire

Re: The 6.5 Creedmoor - 05/28/20

Originally Posted by sbhooper
I have two with Criterion barrels. They both shoot anything that I want to put through them. Those that hate them, don't know them. It is a good, mild-shooting/recoiling, easy loading cartridge that performs extremely well on range, or on deer and antelope. I'll keep mine.


Kind reminds me of that 6.5 caliber by Remington that uses the 308 case....

the one they launched back in '97....
Posted By: Dirtfarmer

Re: The 6.5 Creedmoor - 05/28/20

Originally Posted by Seafire
Originally Posted by sbhooper
I have two with Criterion barrels. They both shoot anything that I want to put through them. Those that hate them, don't know them. It is a good, mild-shooting/recoiling, easy loading cartridge that performs extremely well on range, or on deer and antelope. I'll keep mine.


Kind reminds me of that 6.5 caliber by Remington that uses the 308 case....

the one they launched back in '97....

I think I can remember that one... grin

DF
Posted By: sbhooper

Re: The 6.5 Creedmoor - 05/30/20

Originally Posted by Seafire
Originally Posted by sbhooper
I have two with Criterion barrels. They both shoot anything that I want to put through them. Those that hate them, don't know them. It is a good, mild-shooting/recoiling, easy loading cartridge that performs extremely well on range, or on deer and antelope. I'll keep mine.


Kind reminds me of that 6.5 caliber by Remington that uses the 308 case....

the one they launched back in '97....


Yep. I have two of those, also. I use 130-class bullets in my .260s, as the Creeds handle the heavies better. I like them both, but the deer don't!
Posted By: brydan

Re: The 6.5 Creedmoor - 05/31/20

Originally Posted by Coyotejunki
I don't understand the hatred for the 6.5 CM.

I guess some people still hate the 223 because the 222 was such a good round. And we all know about 270 shooters, right? smile


Guys like drama too. They get emotionally attached to different rounds so cartridge discussions turn into soap operas laugh

The part I find funny about all this is that before the Creedmoor came out, I used to get hassled on forums for being a 260 fan and how it was nothing but a bastardized version of a 6.5 Swede. The CM gets popular and now the 260 is the darling child among many. Oh well, as the world turns...
Posted By: Just a Hunter

Re: The 6.5 Creedmoor - 05/31/20

A friend who is into PRS has a 260 that he uses exclusively for it. Of course it is a custom action that he got the way he wanted it. All his rifles are based on the .308 Win. so if he doesn't have cases for one he can make them from another if necessary.
Posted By: bsa1917hunter

Re: The 6.5 Creedmoor - 06/01/20

Originally Posted by Dirtfarmer
Originally Posted by Seafire
Originally Posted by sbhooper
I have two with Criterion barrels. They both shoot anything that I want to put through them. Those that hate them, don't know them. It is a good, mild-shooting/recoiling, easy loading cartridge that performs extremely well on range, or on deer and antelope. I'll keep mine.


Kind reminds me of that 6.5 caliber by Remington that uses the 308 case....

the one they launched back in '97....

I think I can remember that one... grin

DF








Yeah, but that one is dead/dying..
Posted By: Northman

Re: The 6.5 Creedmoor - 06/01/20

Those Norwegian / Swedes saw the light 126 years ago.
Posted By: ctsmith

Re: The 6.5 Creedmoor - 06/03/20

I haven't bought into the one gun brigade, but one cartridge has merit. I sure like my light, sporter, and heavy 6.5 creed. Sure keeps loading simple, and it will easily handle anything I ever plan to hunt.
Posted By: centershot

Re: The 6.5 Creedmoor - 06/03/20

Originally Posted by bigsqueeze
Originally Posted by Sharpsman
Seems like in the beginning with the introduction of the 6.5 Creedmoor cartridge there were many whom had made the purchase thereof were somewhat 'chided' for doing so. However, for the individual that doesn't handload their ammo it's a very good cartridge as there is commercial ammo that is very accurate at a reasonable cost. I've got a buddy, Jeff Southern that shoots with me and yesterday Jeff proceeded to shoot these five shots into a fist sized five shot group from 900 yards. This was shooting the Berger 140 Hybrid Target bullet. This isn't the first time I might add as it occurs on a regular basis!

[Linked Image from live.staticflickr.com]Untitled by .com/photos/[email protected]/]Sharps Man, on [bleep]
.............................And your buddy's rifle is??..............


Bone stock M700 youth model with the included with package 3-9x40 Remington scope.............maybe not.
Posted By: Sharpsman

Re: The 6.5 Creedmoor - 06/04/20

Originally Posted by centershot
Originally Posted by bigsqueeze
Originally Posted by Sharpsman
Seems like in the beginning with the introduction of the 6.5 Creedmoor cartridge there were many whom had made the purchase thereof were somewhat 'chided' for doing so. However, for the individual that doesn't handload their ammo it's a very good cartridge as there is commercial ammo that is very accurate at a reasonable cost. I've got a buddy, Jeff Southern that shoots with me and yesterday Jeff proceeded to shoot these five shots into a fist sized five shot group from 900 yards. This was shooting the Berger 140 Hybrid Target bullet. This isn't the first time I might add as it occurs on a regular basis!

[Linked Image from live.staticflickr.com]Untitled by .com/photos/[email protected]/]Sharps Man, on [bleep]
.............................And your buddy's rifle is??..............


Bone stock M700 youth model with the included with package 3-9x40 Remington scope.............maybe not.


Custom build with Impact Action. Don't have remainder of specs!
Posted By: lastround

Re: The 6.5 Creedmoor - 06/04/20

Originally Posted by GregW
Originally Posted by Pharmseller
I don’t get it.

Anything the 6.5 CM can do, the 7mm-08 can do better, at least inside 700 yards. Recoil is comparable.

Plus, the Mighty -08 can shoot bullets heavier than 156 grains. Dunno why you’d want to, but you could.



They're the same thing. No need to nit pick. And as you know, I love the 7-08...




I’ve got both, and love both. I don’t see the need to deride one over the other. Kind of like the 30.06 vs 270. Both are great cartridges and I’m gonna keep both and use both.
Posted By: StrayDog

Re: The 6.5 Creedmoor - 06/04/20

I am aware and accept that the 6.5 CM is a great evolution for long range hunting!

However, I'm in the dark as to exactly how much better it is over some other hunting cartridges at longer ranges. Can someone who has the equipment run the numbers against wind and trajectory comparisons to say the .270 Win.?

.277 Nosler 140 AB
.496 BC
2950 fps

6.5 Nosler 140 AB
.509 BC
2700 fps

At what distance would the slower 6.5 catch the .277
for bullet drop ?
for wind drift ?
Posted By: brydan

Re: The 6.5 Creedmoor - 06/05/20

A more meaningful comparison would be to compare it to other short action rounds. Comparing it to long action rounds with their bigger boiler rooms kind of misses the point of it. It's claim to fame is being short enough to magazine feed longer high BC bullets in a short action, not outrunning much bigger cases.

Here's where you can answer your question http://www.jbmballistics.com/cgi-bin/jbmtraj-5.1.cgi
Posted By: StrayDog

Re: The 6.5 Creedmoor - 06/06/20

Thanks for the link Brydan!
Posted By: Seafire

Re: The 6.5 Creedmoor - 06/06/20

Originally Posted by bsa1917hunter
Originally Posted by Dirtfarmer
Originally Posted by Seafire
Originally Posted by sbhooper
I have two with Criterion barrels. They both shoot anything that I want to put through them. Those that hate them, don't know them. It is a good, mild-shooting/recoiling, easy loading cartridge that performs extremely well on range, or on deer and antelope. I'll keep mine.


Kind reminds me of that 6.5 caliber by Remington that uses the 308 case....

the one they launched back in '97....

I think I can remember that one... grin

DF








Yeah, but that one is dead/dying..


Not if you handload, and not if there an endless supply of 308 brass still hanging around....

For long range, I had a long action "Creedmoor" made by re barreling a 30/06 a long time ago, and my logic was laughed at on the campfire...then Hornady took the same idea, and applied it to a short action instead....using a 250 AI case pretty much..

What I put together was essentially a cartridge that came out before the 30/30....necked up a 257 Roberts case to 6.5 mm, put a 28 inch Pac Nor Barrel on a Model 70 action.. seating 142 gr bullets to magazine length, seated to where the bullet was magazine length, so more powder room in the case....the barrel is a heavy magnum contour with a one in 7 twist....

compared over chronographs... it has more MV than a couple of friends 6.5/06, 6.5/06 AI, and 6.5 x 284s that had 24 and 26 inch barrels...

a Swedish Mauser, 1919 version with the long military factory barrel, isn't no slouch either....
Posted By: pete53

Re: The 6.5 Creedmoor - 06/08/20

Originally Posted by StrayDog
I am aware and accept that the 6.5 CM is a great evolution for long range hunting!

However, I'm in the dark as to exactly how much better it is over some other hunting cartridges at longer ranges. Can someone who has the equipment run the numbers against wind and trajectory comparisons to say the .270 Win.?

.277 Nosler 140 AB
.496 BC
2950 fps

6.5 Nosler 140 AB
.509 BC
2700 fps

At what distance would the slower 6.5 catch the .277
for bullet drop ?
for wind drift ?
>> I BET NO ONE GIVES YOU AN ANSWER, in chess that`s called checkmate,the only advantage to a 6.5 Creedmoor is recoil for the recoil-shy person.
Posted By: Jordan Smith

Re: The 6.5 Creedmoor - 06/08/20

What non-sense.

StrayDog,

First of all, specific bullets are what make all the difference and there are many more bullets with superior aerodynamic designs in 6.5mm than in 0.277". The AB is far from the best-suited bullet to LR shooting, but even if we limit the discussion to the two bullets you mentioned, Nosler's BC values are questionable at best. Bryan Litz estimates the BC of the .277 140 AB to be the same as the 140 BT, which has a G7 BC of 0.227, and he estimates the 6.5mm 140 AB to have a G7 BC of 0.249. Secondly, you're comparing a SA cartridge to a LA cartridge, which isn't exactly apples to apples. Despite all that, using Hodgdon's data for both the 6.5 Creedmoor and the .270 Win, and looking between 0-1000 meters under SAC, we have the following:

6.5 Creedmoor
24" barrel
140gr
2806 fps max

.270 Win
24"
140gr
3033 fps max

Using those numbers, the .277" 140 AB shoots flatter at all ranges of interest, and the two bullets have essentially the same wind drift out to about 700 meters, after which the 6.5mm 140 AB drifts less and less relative to the .277" 140 AB as distance increases. Since minor differences in drop are of little concern when shooting at longer ranges, the SA cartridge essentially matches the performance of the LA cartridge in metrics that matter out to 700, and out-performs at longer distances. Combine the lesser powder consumption, general precision of factory ammo and rifles, lesser muzzle blast and recoil, etc, and it's pretty clear why the 6.5 Creedmoor has gained such popularity for LR shooting/hunting.
Posted By: GregW

Re: The 6.5 Creedmoor - 06/08/20

Originally Posted by pete53
Originally Posted by StrayDog
I am aware and accept that the 6.5 CM is a great evolution for long range hunting!

However, I'm in the dark as to exactly how much better it is over some other hunting cartridges at longer ranges. Can someone who has the equipment run the numbers against wind and trajectory comparisons to say the .270 Win.?

.277 Nosler 140 AB
.496 BC
2950 fps

6.5 Nosler 140 AB
.509 BC
2700 fps

At what distance would the slower 6.5 catch the .277
for bullet drop ?
for wind drift ?
>> I BET NO ONE GIVES YOU AN ANSWER, in chess that`s called checkmate,the only advantage to a 6.5 Creedmoor is recoil for the recoil-shy person.


You tell em Pete...
Posted By: JGRaider

Re: The 6.5 Creedmoor - 06/08/20

Pete's too stupid to know that brydan gave him a way to find answers 3 days ago. I guess it takes ol' Pete that long to digest what he reads, assuming he can read.
Posted By: SKane

Re: The 6.5 Creedmoor - 06/08/20

Originally Posted by pete53
Originally Posted by StrayDog
I am aware and accept that the 6.5 CM is a great evolution for long range hunting!

However, I'm in the dark as to exactly how much better it is over some other hunting cartridges at longer ranges. Can someone who has the equipment run the numbers against wind and trajectory comparisons to say the .270 Win.?

.277 Nosler 140 AB
.496 BC
2950 fps

6.5 Nosler 140 AB
.509 BC
2700 fps

At what distance would the slower 6.5 catch the .277
for bullet drop ?
for wind drift ?
>> I BET NO ONE GIVES YOU AN ANSWER, in chess that`s called checkmate,the only advantage to a 6.5 Creedmoor is recoil for the recoil-shy person.




[Linked Image from i.imgur.com]
Posted By: johnt189

Re: The 6.5 Creedmoor - 06/09/20

well I have a 6.5 creedmore been testing it out not too shabby of a round for long range messaging. But my goto one for that is my 300 wtby mag or the 6.5x55 with the 31 inch barrel and with the 1-8 twist
Posted By: pete53

Re: The 6.5 Creedmoor - 06/09/20

Originally Posted by Jordan Smith
What non-sense.

StrayDog,

First of all, specific bullets are what make all the difference and there are many more bullets with superior aerodynamic designs in 6.5mm than in 0.277". The AB is far from the best-suited bullet to LR shooting, but even if we limit the discussion to the two bullets you mentioned, Nosler's BC values are questionable at best. Bryan Litz estimates the BC of the .277 140 AB to be the same as the 140 BT, which has a G7 BC of 0.227, and he estimates the 6.5mm 140 AB to have a G7 BC of 0.249. Secondly, you're comparing a SA cartridge to a LA cartridge, which isn't exactly apples to apples. Despite all that, using Hodgdon's data for both the 6.5 Creedmoor and the .270 Win, and looking between 0-1000 meters under SAC, we have the following:

6.5 Creedmoor
24" barrel
140gr
2806 fps max

.270 Win
24"
140gr
3033 fps max

Using those numbers, the .277" 140 AB shoots flatter at all ranges of interest, and the two bullets have essentially the same wind drift out to about 700 meters, after which the 6.5mm 140 AB drifts less and less relative to the .277" 140 AB as distance increases. Since minor differences in drop are of little concern when shooting at longer ranges, the SA cartridge essentially matches the performance of the LA cartridge in metrics that matter out to 700, and out-performs at longer distances. Combine the lesser powder consumption, general precision of factory ammo and rifles, lesser muzzle blast and recoil, etc, and it's pretty clear why the 6.5 Creedmoor has gained such popularity for LR shooting/hunting.
> glad to see someone answered his question but in all reality how many could make that shot at a animal at 700 meters ? yes the 6.5 Creedmoor is an excellent round so is the old 270 Winchester ,the 6.5 Creedmoor is a better target round,with better bullets to use , and a better for a recoil-shy person too. but out to 500 yards the old 270 Winchester still will get the job done and has for many years.
Posted By: Jordan Smith

Re: The 6.5 Creedmoor - 06/09/20

Pretty much any rifle and bullet will work for the average Joe. It's only when you start to push the boundaries that the differences in bullets and equipment become evident.
Posted By: StrayDog

Re: The 6.5 Creedmoor - 06/11/20

Jordan.
I appreciate you updating my example using G7 BCs and answering my question, I don't have a place to practice really long range shooting near where I live, so I now know I don't need a Creed.

I have a few rifles that I've practiced shooting into 400 yard targets, but I've only shot once at game beyond that range.
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