I'm looking to have a 20 caliber rifle barrel assy for my Savage Impulse Predator .243 chambered rifle.
I've been using a turn bolt rifle chambered in 20 practical for my restricted area predator hunting needs in NY state.
I would like to use the Impulse rifle for all of my predator hunting and swap barrel Assy's when needed, but Savage doesn't offer a .223 bolt head for the Impulse yet or maybe never, so I'd like to find a 20 cal cartridge that's based off of the .473 OD rim dia of the .243 that doesn't need to much work to form it or special magazines to feed it.
The reason I went with the 20 practical, was because of the minimal work needed to form the case and it feeds from any .223 magazine without modification.
I've searched, but have come up empty in my quest.

SJC

Bullets matter wayyyyyyyy more than headstamps and 20's are a bitter pill. Hint.

You are pissing up ALOTTA ropes. Hint.............

I speak and read four different languages, yet I don't have a clue on how to decipher this reply ?

There was a few guys that built .20 BR's back when people cared about the .204 bores. But I see what you need to do - it's either that or a .17 during NYS deer season unless you go rimfire or shotgun.

Cite any/all words that you find "too big" or "too Technical" and I'll use lesser versions,just for you. Hint.

As an aside,STUPIDITY isn't an "advantage" and now even you "know". You are doing "Great!". Hint.

Fhuqking LAUGHING!............

I'm looking for information, So please refrain from posting here if you have nothing to contribute or please contribute in a language that a mere mortal can understand ?

dznnf7 thanks for the reply.
I looked into the other 20 cals offerings, but the multiple forming steps and magazine feeding issues are a turn off, not to mention the price of the brass you need to form them from.
Not a fan of the 17 cal.
Have had no issues killing coyote with the 40Gr V max and I have a lot of them, so I'd like to stick with 20 cal.

scoots,

Your STUPIDITY rests upon your narrow shoulders and is nobody else's "fault". Hint.

Bullets matter wayyyyyyyy more than headstamps and 20's are a bitter pill. Hint.

You are pissing up ALOTTA ropes. Hint.............

Put his ass on ignore. He knows way more than any of us mere mortals.

bitchlambert,

Ain't it a fhuqking hoot,that even someone as fhuqking STUPID as you,KNOWS better than to try and talk rifles. What were the "odds"?!? Hint.

You Melting Snowflake Professional Victims,are a fhuqking RIOT! Hint.

Fhuqking LAUGHING!...............

I'd think the 22-250 would be a place I would start -- a 20-250. Or if you don't like the shape of the 22-250 case then 20-250AI.

The BS is the first member on this forum I've had to ignore for posting BS.
I did find 20-243 AI chamber reamers available from PT&G, but no brass or die.
Lee could make a die set, but I need brass to get it made.
I could also ask my machinist friend that made the quick change Impulse barrel parts for me if he could make a .223 .378" rim dia bolt head.
It would probably cost the same as buying the reamers, die set and brass to form into the 20-243.

No BS from you Bugger and thanks for the 20-250 recommendation.
It has the .473 rim Dia, short action, feeds from mags nicely and one step brass forming like the 20 practical.
Your contribution is appreciated.
Now another journey begins.

SJC

scoots,

You are in soooooo very fhuqking far over your pointy head and crossed-eyes,that it is simply fhuqking MAGNIFICENT. Hint.



Fortunately for you,Imagination and Pretend are free,so even YOU can "afford" to "contribute". Hint.



Bullets matter wayyyyyyyy more than headstamps and 20's are a bitter pill. Hint.

You are pissing up ALOTTA ropes. Hint.............

https://www.rccbrass.com/

https://www.rccbrass.com/product/set-up-fee-wildcat-cartridge/

https://www.rccbrass.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/Wildcat-Order-Form_EDIT.pdf

Another great contribution to this thread.... Hint
Thanks for the links.
I think I'm settled on the 20-250 cartridge, as I have several hundred 22-250 cases and an RCBS die set.
Traded the 22-250 rifle for a thermal spotter years ago and remembered I had the components stashed away.
Sometimes it's not so bad being a horder.
I will be ordering a barrel from preferred barrels after the season is over next year and have the rifle ready for the fall 2023 season.

SJC

scoots,

The ONLY fhuqking things you are going to "shoot" are your mouth and Imagination...you "lucky" kchunt. Hint. Congratulations?!?

Dangle a pic of said die set,if only to correlate that besides being a Drooling CLUELESS Fhuqk,that you just also "happen" to be a Lying Piece Of Fuqking Schit. Hint.

Don't forget,you "can't read this". Hint.

Fhuqking LAUGHING!...............

I built a 20 tax before the 204 came out. Great calling cartridge and coyote killer to 400 yds. I like it and the 17 rem but they run out of steam after that. Unless someone makes 60 or 70 grain bullet in 20 cal, all you will gain is a few yds and about 1/4 the barrel life. I think the 20 tac/ practical is the optimum case size for the 20 cal. Just my opinion

Your 20Tac was THE first .204" any of us had ever seen. Now there's .585 BC's in .224" and who woulda EVER guessed that?!? Hint.....................(grin)

https://hammerbullets.com/product/204-cal-48g-hammer-hunter/

Those might be fun to tinker with

A sub .300 BC 48gr 20cal.,is simply fhuqking HILARIOUS! Hint..............

I have a plain 20-250 with an 18" barrel. 3850 with 40 grain bibs. Would work with your bolt face. Barrel life does suffer. You could just run your .243 and go with 80 or 85 grain barnes bullets. I have used those plenty to save fur.

The 20-250 is the cartridge I'm going with.
I'm not trying to save fur, Just can't use any center fire cartridge larger than .20 cal in NY state restricted hunting zones.
I'm pushing the 40 Gr V max to 4,000 Fps in my 20 Practical with 4198 and if I can get near that with the 20-250 I'll be happy.
I'm looking at getting an 18" barrel too, as most of my shots are within 100 yards.

SJC

A pard has a 20-250 AI.

He is set up for and really likes the 50 or 55 grain Berger but I am pretty sure those are discontinued.

Think 22 BR necked down

I have a .20-250 AI that I had built a few years ago. Had it throated and twisted for the .55 grain Bergers (now discontinued). In a 22 inch barrel it was easy to get over 4000 fps but I finally settled on 3910 fps for accuracy. It is/was an absolute hammer on coyotes and whitetails. Only used H-4350 and the 55's it was easy and accurate so no need to chase something that I didn't need.
Simple process to use a Redding bushing die then fireform with 39 or 40's to save the 55's.
Only downfall was expected barrel life!!!Mine is at 837 rounds and still going strong but it is showing some erosion and cracking. Knew it when it was built but what's the use in having a race car and not going fast? It will make 1K before barrel needs to be switched so there is a lot of coyotes and whitetails still in it.
I am using a Leopold CDS and with 1 revolution you can dead hold to 712 yards.
I don't think you would be unhappy with it at all.
Several of the boutique bullet makers can hook you up for bullets but if you need few pieces of fireformed brass and bullets let me know.
Regards,
John

poor rejected former children or juvenile delinquents, still starved for attention in their adulthood.

It ain't easy being Schtick.... him and Kim Jung Il are long lost brothers....

I shoot a 20 Practical also.

one product you may not be familiar with, but Hornady makes neck sizing dies, in both a short and long version...
I've got 4 or 5 of them, and got them from the factory IIRC, for about $20.00

I think they still make one in 20 caliber. It would be adjustable for multiple different calibers., as you are only sizing the neck. Long and Short versions are dependent on the length of the base caliber you are using...



https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1011096636

https://www.opticsplanet.com/hornady-neck-size-die.html

either 243 or 22.250, or even like 6 BR or 22 BR, it should be easy to neck any one of them down to 20 caliber.

If you use either one of the 22 cal cartridges, the 22.250 or the 22BR, a 22 caliber die in that cartridge, remove the spindle and then size down, which will also size the body down.. then use the neck sizing Hornady die to size down the neck, this way you are using the 22 caliber die as a body die.

For seating the 20 caliber bullet, a 22 caliber seating die works just fine...

For my 20 practical, this is how I load for it...223 die for body die, 20 cal Hornady Neck sizer to neck down the neck ( that is all I had to buy), and then use a 223 seating die to seat the bullet...

having the 223 dieset all I had to buy was the 20 caliber Hornady Neck sizer for $20.

If doing a 22.250 necked down to a 20.250 ( I have those die sets also, from several manufacturers), same thing... pull the spindle out of the full length sizing die, for the body, and then use the neck sizer from Hornady for the neck, and then the seating die for the 20 caliber bullet...

Been loading my 20 Practical this way for 10 plus years....

Good luck on your project..

barrel life issues... use one of the faster powders, and load it down, such as using 25 grains of 4198, if you are using a 22.250 case...
hence why I just built the 20 Practical....

Douglas use to list a 20.250 barrel available..., which should go on a Savage 10 or Axxis with no problems.

A friend shoots the 20-250. The thing is an absolute laser and has destroyed boatloads of coyotes.

I recall reading about something called a ".20 Satan" which was the 6.5x47 case necked down. The writer / developer was using 55 grain Bergers. I think that bullet has been discontinued.

I looked into big cased .20s for a while and chose not to do it. The easiest is likely to be a .20-250. That's past the point of diminishing returns. .20 BR is most practical ballistically but getting them to feed in a repeater can be a real challenge. I had just lost the fight with a .22 BR repeater which was part of "not going there."

In the end, sticking with .204 seemed "best." Today .204 brass isn't as common as it was .. I'd probably look at something based on the .223 case instead. .20 Practical, 1-10 or 1-11 twist, fairly short throat. Have you considered contacting PTG or other about a replacement bolt with the .378" diameter bolt face so you can use your current action?

Bergers 55 gr. 20 caliber is available from Graffs.

Have you considered the .20 Titan? 6.5 Grendel necked down to .20. I think Todd Kindler sells brass and dies. Berger is still making their 55 grain pill in .204. Its a flat shooter. They do a big run once a year ('bout September, I think). The .20 Titan will push the 55 grainers to about 3500 fps I think. Another option is .20 BR. Saubier.com has some threads on both cartridges I think. If you want to PM me, I can send you some stuff on the .20 Tian.

Douglas can chamber you a .20-.250, .20 Titan and I think .20 BR. You'll want a 9 twist barrel. Love Douglas tubes.

As stated, the Bergers are still available through Graff and Sons.

2023 Update;
Bought a Savage Impulse chambered in .308 for the donor.
Bought a 20-250 1-9 twist bull barrel and 500ct 55 bergers on another forum.
Bought the necessary die and bushings to form the brass.
Bought some new Win brass for loading, as the 22-250 brass I have is old with unknown load count, but was perfect for use as sizing fodder.
I tried sizing the neck in one step, like I do with my 20 practical, but sizing 20-250 brass is a two step process.
Loaded up some rounds with H4350 and sighted it in with my backup AGM Adder TS35 384 thermal.
Three shot's touching at 100 yards.
Found that the AI mags needed some tweaking for reliable feeding.
Went out coyote hunting and didn't see a thing.
Maybe this weekend I'll find a willing participant.

How did the 20-250 come out? I have a buddy that shoots one. He also shoots a 20 br.

It's funny how everyone just ignores Big Stick's posts like he's not even there. But he keeps posting. It reminds me of my little Yorkie that tries to get my attention when I come home from work. Jumping on my leg.

Tony